who did it, though, all of them. even if they didn't get all the diamonds, they got enough of them that they're value is still too much to add up as yet. and as steven soderbergh has not already optioned the movie rights for this heist, somebody should text him tonight, antwerp is spelled a-n-t-w-e-r-p and it is pronounced heist. heist. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." have a great night. today in washington, here in washington, senator elizabeth warren introduced her first piece of legislation. tonight, senator elizabeth warren will join me in a last word exclusive. we will also have the latest from cleveland and a review of what we learned in today's hearing about benghazi. we are learning chilling new details in the case of the three cleveland women. >> kid nanapping case out of cleveland, ohio. >> amanda berry has just

returned home. >> stop. >> back up. >> stop. >> it has been a long time since i've seen a crush of cameras and reporters like that. >> i would encourage everyone to give them a little space. >> meanwhile, we're getting new disturbing details. >> the women were bound in chains, kept isolated from each other. >> there are questions today about the cleveland police department itself. >> whether the police missed key warning signs. >> i just signed criminal complaints charging ariel castro. >> ariel castro -- >> the mastermind, ring leader if you will. >> first degree felonies. >> on capitol hill -- >> some republicans are calling it a scandal bigger than watergate. >> putting the attack on the u.s. embassy in benghazi under the microscope. >> benghazi. >> benghazi. >> benghazi. >> again, and again and again. >> the republicans and the benghazi tragedy. >> the full scale media campaign to smear public officials. >> i expected a real bombshell. >> i feel like i know what happened in benghazi. >> there was no news today. >> i'm fairly satisfied.

>> this has nothing to do with the facts or the truth. >> the search for truth about the benghazi terror attack is now under way. >> that's a tough one because now it is a partisan issue rather than a truth issue. for the first time in about ten years, amanda berry and gina dejesus are resting at their homes tonight. family members of both women spoke to the media and asked for privacy. >> i just want to say we are so happy to have amanda and her daughter home. i want to thank the public and the media for their support and courage over the years. at this time, our family would request privacy so my sister and niece and i can have time to recover. >> i want to thank everybody that believed, even when i said she was alive, and believed.

and i want to thank them. even the ones that doubted, i still want to thank them the most. because they're the ones that made me stronger, the one that made me feel the most that my daughter was out there. >> michelle knight, the third woman who escaped, is still in the hospital tonight. we have a new recording of police radio traffic. here is an edited version of communication between the dispatcher and the police on the scene. >> i have a call tick on the phone with a female, who says her name is amanda berry and she had been kidnapped ten years ago. and she's at that location now. she's still on the phone right now. she's saying that the male, ariel castro, 52-year-old hispanic male, that lives at 2207 seymour and that she's been holding her here for ten years. >> this is adam 23. you have a boss coming? this might be for real. >> adam 23 radio. >> go ahead.

>> we found them. we found them. we got a female conscious and breathing. she's got a young child with her. make it two. we also have a michelle knight in the house. i don't know if you want to look that up in the radio. the system, 32 years old. >> police have charged ariel castro with four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rain. people say that ariel's two brothers who were arrested with him on monday, will not be charged in connection with the kidnappings. tonight, we're learning more about how the women were kidnapped and what went on inside the house on 2207 seymour street. according to the police report, michelle knight who went missing in august 2002, said that ariel offered her a ride home, then took her to his house. amanda berry, who went missing in april of 2003 said that she was walking home from her job at

burger king when ariel offered her a ride home. after he told her that his son worked at burger king. and gina dejesus, who went missing in april of 2004, said that ariel told gina he would give her a ride to his house to meet up with his daughter, who gene knew from school. cleveland police today denied that they received any phone calls to check on that house and they say they're confident that they haven't missed any leads in this case. >> i'm just very, very confident in the ability of those investigators and those law enforcement officers that they checked every single lead and if there was one bit of evidence, one shred of a tip, no matter

how minute it was, they followed it up very, very aggressively. >> joining me now from the scene in cleveland is msnbc's craig melvin. craig, can you sort out for us this situation with the police? there are reports over the years of people saying that they did indeed call the police about occasional activities at that house. what do we know about that record? >> reporter: lawrence, you know, that's been one of the biggest questions here. today and quite frankly yesterday as well. a number of neighbors say, insisted, in fact, on our air throughout the day said they called 911. i talked to a council men earlier today who said maybe that did happen, maybe a neighbor called 911, but there is a chance that, you know, somehow, some way that the call slipped between the cracks. there still seems to be a bit of disconnect between law enforcement and some of the folks in this community when it comes -- when it comes to that question. we should note that there is

going to be a public meeting here tomorrow night at 7:00 in a church at the end of the block. they're going to spend a great deal of time talking about the relationship between the people who live in this -- live in this neighborhood, and the police, to describe -- to describe that dynamic as a complex one would not be doing it justice. there has been some long-standing issues in this neighborhood between the police and between the folks who live here. you mentioned how all three of the young ladies were taken captive. they were all lured, all lured with the ride. one of the things that we found most interesting, lawrence, was in this police report, you start to look at the geography of where these girls were picked up, amanda berry, for instance, west 110th street and lorain avenue. gina dejesus, 105th and lorain. and then the last one, 106th and

lorain. 106th and lorain. all of this happened within five or six blocks. we talked to the investigators today who basically said that he had an m.o. and he stuck to that m.o. 52-year-old ariel castro will be in court tomorrow morning. we're told that he waved his miranda rights today and that he began when questioned, he began to talk fairly quickly, giving police detectives, giving the investigators a lot of information, some of which we expect to hear more about tomorrow morning. >> and, craig, what about the brothers, the castro brothers, the police now seem to suggest they were not involved. >> reporter: pedro and onil castro are the two brothers in question here. and the thinking throughout the course of the day was that they would be charged with something. come to find out, again this is after some conversations with law enforcement, come to find out according to police they had

absolutely no idea what their brother was allegedly doing inside this house of horrors behind me. they will face some misdemeanor bench warrant stuff, but no serious charges for the two castro brothers. we should note, though, that according to a number of sources, all three of the castro brothers are well known to police in this neighborhood. >> craig, thank you very much for joining us with the latest. >> thank you. joining me now, a man who knows better than anyone the road that these families have ahead of them. ed smart whose daughter elizabeth smart spent nine months in captivity. mr. smart, i can only imagine what feelings this story brings up for you. i want to listen to something that your daughter, elizabeth, said yesterday about these three women. >> you can still go on. you can still make your decisions.

you can still become who you want to be. and anyone who can't see that, they just don't know you or their eyes just aren't open to see who you really are. >> mr. smart, your daughter was captive this way for nine months. what do you think are the parallels for these young women who are captive for nine years or more? >> well, i think there are a lot of -- a lot of things. the one thing i think that really comes home is that they are home now, that they have a chance of having a life, not in captivity, but free, and to be rejoined with your family, i mean, that day that elizabeth came home was so overwhelming to us, and for those families who are still out there, waiting to find out what happens, the not knowing is the worst of all. and certainly to be rejoicing at the return of these girls, but,

you know, the girls went through who knows how many assaults as elizabeth did. they were, of course, finally freed. the manipulation, the captivity, i know elizabeth was, you know, chained, not chained, but cabled by her ankle between these two trees and unable to leave this area for three months. and certainly the manipulation that these predators have is just amazing. and to think that he would be able to, you know, keep them hidden from society. i mean, elizabeth was -- had that veil over her face, nobody thought to tear it off, even the police officer, and here there were three women there in that house. it is just -- it is unbelievable what can happen.

and, you know, i'm sure there are many others out there that we don't know about. and we really need to be vigilant in keeping our eyes open, and, you know, i think more importantly than anything is we need to prepare our children as a society to be able to deal with bad things that happen. and we don't do that. i hear about life skills taught in school, but that really doesn't focus on horrible things that can happen. and i'm not talking about scaring the children, but preparing them. i think rad kids is one program we work with. >> mr. smart, what do you say to your daughter after the hugs and the i love yous and all of that, and they're home for a few days, how do you approach talking about what happened? do you just follow her lead? >> you know, we certainly follow her lead, but we make sure that

she knows that we do not hold her responsible for anything. usually the predators will try to keep them in control, making them feel some guilt or some responsibility for what has happened to them, and, you know, they need unconditional love, they need support from family, from friends, from the community, and as elizabeth said, it is so important for them to be able to move beyond this, certainly there is going to be a court case. but their life doesn't have to be defined by these ten years. certainly they were stolen from them, but they have a whole life in front of them to enjoy. >> ed smart, i'm sorry for what you had to go through to become something of an expert at this very difficult subject and thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> you bet. thank you. coming up, how is it that these senior senator -- the senior senator from massachusetts is just now getting around to introducing a

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allow students to borrow at the same rate that big banks pay to the federal reserve, which is currently about .75%. >> in other words, the federal government's going to charge interest rates nine times higher than the rates they charge the biggest banks. the same banks that destroyed millions of jobs and nearly broke the economy. that isn't right. >> senator warren, thank you very much for being here on your debut as a legislator on the senate floor. how did that feel? >> it felt good. yeah. it did. >> and you're ahead of schedule of the other first year senators. they usually wait a while in doing this. but this thing just makes so much sense. >> that's it. and we can't afford to wait. if congress does nothing, july 1st, july 16st, the kids will face a doubling. we can't do that. >> what is the process for this.

what committee zz it have to get through and -- >> so help would be the right committee. that's what i fought to get on. we could take it straight to the floor. >> that's a very simple -- this is a simple bill. i have my copy here. i want to get an autographed copy but it is simple, just changing some numbers. it is easy to legislate. you know, it has the one flaw that it has, i think, as something for the united states senate today, it makes too much sense. >> now, now. >> senator, this makes perfect sense. why would they do that? >> but, you know, that is the point now. we really have a chance to do some things that make sense. this for me is about grassroots legislation, getting lots of people involved, getting students involved, their families involved, anybody who looks at this and says, wait a minute, let me get this straight. we, the taxpayers, make this investment in big financial institutions, can't we make just

the same investment in our students who are trying to get an education? because, look, we do this for the banks, because we believe that this is going to help the economy, right, help us on a shaky recovery, same thing is true for our students. the fed came out with a study in march, they said that student loan debt, which has a real impact on the families' bottom line is threatening our recovery. and so let's do the same thing for the students. let's help them get their education, lend them the money, make them pay it back, but just help them out on the interest rate. that gives us a first start in helping our stuchdents get an education. it is not the whole fix, not the whole deal, but a good first start. >> for me to oppose your bill, i have to stand up there and say, yeah, sure, less than 1% is a perfectly reasonable interest rate for giant banking institutions. but you don't want a student to get an interest rate like that. >> that's right.

>> that would be my -- >> that's what has to be your pitch. that's exactly right. and you might point out that student loans right now for every dollar that the u.s. taxpayer is putting into student loans, right now the government is getting 36 cents back in profits. so the students are a profit center right now for the government. the kids are out there struggling to get an education. but not those big financial institutions. come on. >> it is such an interesting cross current of elizabeth warren expertise. you're an educator. this is an education and a tuition oriented bill. but also involves the big financial structures of this country, the advantages they get against the little guy who has no advantages. you always have been in this zone of the consumer versus the big financial structures. >> this is why i ran for the united states senate. this is what it is all about. the big banks, they got an army of lobbyists out there. they got an army of lawyers to fight for them. our students have just their

voices. and they call on us to do the right thing. and that's what we need to do. what we need to do here. >> so, senior senator, that's got to feel pretty good. john kerry was -- i think he was a senator for about 75 years waiting to be senior senator. he gets to be senior senator and then immediately leaves. you've got this fresh face in the house, little lady markey, running to be the junior senator from massachusetts. how is he doing so far? >> ed markey is great. i mean, come on. he's been out there fighting on behalf of families forever. he's been out there on gun issues, you know, banning assault weapons, going to be a big difference i think in this race. he's been out there on environmental issues. i'm really out there for ed markey on this. he'll be a good partner in the senate. he'll do the right thing. he'll be in, fighting this kind of fight. >> as last democrat who ran through a republican opposition to get to the united states

senate, in massachusetts, did you see any new plays run against you that ed markey needs to know about and be ready for? >> well, you know, the point i think for the republicans is don't talk about being a republican and don't talk about what it means to be a republican. >> and do not mention that name mitch mcconnell. >> right. do not mention mitch mcconnell and don't mention the things that the republicans are in the united states senate fighting for. for me, and my race, what it was all about is if we would just talk about how it was at the other guy was voting, voting with the republicans, how he strengthened the hands of those who opposed gun control, how he strengthened the hands of those who wouldn't support equal pay for equal work, how he strengthened the hands of polluters over our kids, who needed help and needed support. and i think the same is true with ed markey in this race. if it is about the issues, if it is about who we want to have

represent us in washington, the values they're represented there, the votes that are represented there, i think ed is going to do great in massachusetts. >> senator warren, congratulations on your first bill. if i could just get your autograph here on my copy of the first warren bill, this is very exciting. >> for lawrence, you bet. >> this will be the framed and then i'll -- then i'll get a copy of the one the president signs when it becomes law. >> your mouth to god's ears. >> senator warren, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, president obama has just finished dinner with a group of house democrats. and one of the house leaders who was at that dinner will join me. and a house committee actually held a hearing on benghazi today in which some of them actually did talk about what actually happened in benghazi. ♪ [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me.

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going to a safe haven, and then the fact that we could not find the ambassador, i alerted my leadership, indicating that we needed to go forward and consider the deployment of the foreign emergency support team. i notified the white house of my idea, they indicated that meetings had already taken place that evening, that had taken fest out of the menu of options. i called the office within the state department that had been represented there, asking them why it had been taken off the table and was told that it was not the right time, and it was not the team that needed to go right then. >> what clearly emerged in the testimony is that in washington, the state department and the white house recognized the severity of the problem all along and were intently focused on the action in benghazi.

republicans at the hearing believed that the passage you just heard proves that the obama administration handled the crisis badly because they did not immediately send the foreign emergency support team. but no one who could have explained why the foreign emergency support team was not sent was allowed to testify at today's hearing, which was exclusively focused on three men, the republicans kept calling whistle-blowers. but a whistle-blower tells you something from inside an organization that the organization doesn't want you to know. i watched the hearing, hoping to learn something that the government didn't want me to know. and the republicans have the hearing, hoping to find out something that hillary clinton didn't want you to know, and here's what their star witness had to say about hillary clinton. >> at about 2:00 p.m. the secretary -- 2:00 a.m., sorry, the secretary called --

secretary of state clinton called me and along with her senior staff were all on the phone. and she asked me what was going on, and i briefed her on the developments. >> what emerged clearly in the hearing today is that there were no military assets within range that could have prevented what happened in benghazi that night. >> at about 10:45 or 11:00 we confer and i asked the defense attache who had been talking with africom and with the joint staff, is anything coming? will they be sending us any help? is there something out there? and he answered that, the nearest help was in aviano, where there were fighter planes.

he said it would take two to three hours for them to get on site, but there also were no tankers available for them to refuel. >> and gregory hicks told of the -- of a disturbing disagreement with the military that night about when to send a rescue team from tripoli to benghazi. >> people in benghazi had been fighting all night. they were tired. they were exhausted. wanted to make sure the airport was secure for their withdrawal. as colonel gibson and his three personnel were getting in the car cars, he stopped and he called them off and said, told me that he had not been authorized to go. the colonel gibson was furious. i had told him to go bring our people home, that's what he wanted to do.

paid me a very nice compliment. i won't repeat it here. so the plane went, i think it landed in benghazi around 7:30. >> so what you have there was a disagreement between the people on the ground in libya and the military commanders somewhere else who delayed the authorization of the flight to benghazi, but even if the flight had gone as soon as possible, according to the testimony we heard today it would have arrived after the damage was done. and if this was a hearing run by a chairman who actually wanted to get at the truth of how and why things happened, the next witness you would turn to would be a military witness, who could explain why there was a delay in the flight, perhaps the military

officer who ordered the delay. you would also call a witness to explain why the foreign emergency support team was not authorized to go to benghazi, immediately. democrats actually requested that the chairman include those witnesses. but the chairman refused and so in today's hearing, we learned what it felt like to be with the embassy staff in tripoli that night, knowing that your colleagues were under attack in benghazi, we learned how confusing the flow of information was to and from libya that night, we heard about some things that weren't done, but we never heard even the slightest possible explanation for why they weren't done. and we didn't hear about one thing, that could have been done that would have changed the outcome of the attacks. but, of course, we did hear about sunday talk television. >> so fast-forward, mr. hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice.

she blamed this attack on a video. she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> joining me now is washington post columnist e.j. dionne. so no changed facts. nothing in the condition of this benghazi situation here in washington changed as a result of this hearing unless i missed something. >> well, i missed it too. i mean, we're almost at the point where some people seem to believe if you say benghazi backwards five times, a conspiracy will magically appear. if you look at today, a piece is up tonight where i think they got it right, he said they summoned whistle-blower to capitol hill, but instead they got a virtuoso storyteller. mr. hicks was amazing. you could see it in the -- in that video, and as he goesen to

say, his gripes were about bureaucratic squabbling more than political scandal. yes there are questions to ask and as you suggest there are answers we might get, but these he hearings don't seem to be about that. what struck me is the difference between this hearing and the actual watergate hearing. i keep trying to compare this to watergate. if you go back to sam irvin, a conservative democrat who is very nonpartisan, those are bipartisan hearings are they got to a conspiracy after assembling the facts. in this case, they seem to have several conspiracies in mind, and keep looking to see if there are facts that can back up their preconceived notion. >> the watergate hearings had humility. hard to believe. but the questioners were kind of humbly going forward and you could see with a lot of them it was a grim duty. they kind of didn't want it to be this bad. and these guys had a political conspiracy from the start, which was susan rice was sent out there, by the campaign, to say it was a movie that did it, not

al qaeda that did it, because president obama protects you from al qaeda. there was this campaign idea. and now they're trying to reengineer the scandal stuff all the way into what happened that night. they're trying to get it going at both ends of this thing. >> right. and i mean, when i watch susan rice say that, i -- myself was surprised. because it struck me at the time that this started with the movie and the reaction against the movie, but it looked like there was something organized there. which eventually is what happened. but she was briefed to say that, and she said that, and the cia was worried about naming al qaeda and creating all kinds of other problems. so she was kind of stuck. but the notion that what somebody says on a talk show at all is related to some vast conspiracy, the administration did its own investigation and it wasn't like it was a whitewash. they said a whole bunch of things went wrong. and they, you know, and mr. hicks himself in the testimony

today, mr. is why sa is saying hillary clinton signed all the cab cab cables. it is a normal thing. i wish we could just investigate. >> elijah cummings brought out what others have already said about this. general dempsey said it might have taken them 20 hours to get any kind of airplanes there. and, you know, he invited mr. hicks or any of the witnesses to disagree with the military leaders and they did not. these weren't witnesses trying to fight this political fight that the republican members were trying to fight. >> and it is interesting because you wonder why don't, if the republicans are trying to say the military guys made a wrong decision, and that's not -- that's not a crazy view. the military makes mistakes. go say it, and have them come and challenge them. but they don't seem to want to

do that. >> and the likelihood of people making bad calls somewhere in that 12 hours is very high. you've got a minimum of 50% chance that some of the military involved made what we now know is a bad call. but let's get to that if that's what you want to investigate here. >> right. and the other thing, i hope comes out of this, i mean, i think we agree we haven't done enough to honor our troops when they get home. we pay no attention to the risks that the people in the state department take. i've been abroad, i've watched these folks. they're very courageous. it shouldn't take four people being killed to remind us. >> that's one of the great things about gregory hicks testimony today to get that point across clearly. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. coming up, a special guest rewrite tonight with george tekai and jesse tyler ferguson. and president obama just finished another dinner, this time with house democrats. we'll find out every single word of what was said in that dinner

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president obama has just concluded another big dinner with members of congress. this one at the jefferson hotel in washington. with nine democratic members of the house of representatives including minority leader nancy pelosi, a source close to the dinner says the president contacted nancy pelosi who then organized the dinner. joining me now, a source who was

at the dinner, congressman steve israel. okay, go ahead. you got a few minutes. everything. everything. >> dinner with the president, dessert with you. >> what did he say? what did you say? word for word, what is the hottest thing said -- what was the thing said at that dinner that could get you all in the most trouble? just that. >> i'm not going to tell you that. i will say this, we had a -- the same kind of dinner time conversation that most americans have at their dinner tables. we talked about how you grow the middle class, how you protect jobs, and help people get a little more in their paychecks, how they recover their home values, how you protect retirement securities, and the one thing we need to get all those other things, how you get house republicans to compromise. we talked about -- >> go ahead. you have the floor. how do you get them to compromise? everyone listening to us right now thinks that is impossible. >> it is difficult. just before the dinner what did

republicans pass? how do you build paychecks when you're taking cash overtime away from people. very difficult to do. i think the -- >> can you explain to me, you're physically close to these guys during the day, why in the house did they vote on things like that, that they know will never be law? why should they be recorded as having said i want to take your overtime away? >> because they either live in an echo chamber or hijacked by their base, they live in a world where they believe you cannot be extreme enough. they vote on irrelevancies and on things that really won't help the middle class, won't help work families, but will help them with their political base. and that's why this country is in the mess that it is in right now. >> the -- one of the statements from the white house on background said the president discussed ongoing efforts to find common ground with both sides to reduce our deficit in a balanced way. the most controversial way he has proposed deficit reduction in a large package of other things, have to include all those other things for him to do

this, is as we know chain cpi, adjustment in the cost of living increase for social security, veterans benefits that would probably reduce those increases somewhat. was that part of the discussion? >> no. it didn't specifically come up. i will say this, i have my own concerns about chain cpi but i think the president unmassed the republicans. when he proposed that, he wasn't proposing it as his idea it was the house republicans' idea. what did they do? they rushed to the television cameras to condemn their own idea. so how can you be optimistic about house republicans ability to compromise when they condemn their own ideas it is why the last poll i saw says that 70% of the american people believe that house republicans are just too extreme. >> now, does the president in this kind of dinner, does he say to you, all democrats, listen, give me some running room on certain things, give me some maneuver room on certain things, which would be things like chain

cpi. and don't worry about when you see me maneuvering this way because republicans are nuts and they're probably going to blow it up anyway and this will actually help unmask the measure. >> he didn't talk about running room and didn't talk about maneuvering. he talked about where he is dug in. on three things. >> let's hear it. >> he's dug in on three core principles. we agree with him. we share these principles. number one, we need a balanced approach to the budget. number two, we have to have priorities that are fair to the middle class and protect the middle class. and number three, we have to have smart and sensible investments in things like infrastructure. so we talked about specific ideas and solutions and those three areas, and where can we find republicans to join us in -- on common ground, on those three areas? >> we're showing endless video of you going into and coming out of the dinner, couldn't quite get our camera in there. did you get to order individually or is it just -- >> there was a menu.

here is a fascinating glim of the president. he likes to get right down to work. he came in, he said let's order and he said i'll get the waiter. he stood up and headed to the door until somebody said, mr. president, i think i can do that for you. that's a fascinating glimpse of how he likes to get down to work. >> he doesn't want doesn't want second. congressman steve israel, thank you very much for spilling all the beans about what happened -- >> we didn't have beans. >> -- at the ultrasecret dinner tonight. chris hayes is up next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. thank you for joining us. cautionary tales abound tonight. a republican congressman tries to manufacture the next watergate, but instead gets upstaged by the next lifetime original movie. and in michigan, the real price of austerity as a school district runs out of money, fires all the teachers,