good morning. i'm chris jansing. for the first time this morning, we got a live look at the man accused of one of the most disturbing depraved crimes in memory. the kidnapping and rape of three women who were held as prisoners for more than a decade. 52-year-old ariel castro kept his chin buried in his shirt during most of his short arraignment in a cleveland courtroom that was so packed with reporters and cameras there was no room for the public. he did not utter a word. his lawyer spoke for him and his two brothers who police no longer believe are involved in this crime. it's hard to see how the unemployment bus driver will make the $8 million bail the judge set. this is the assistant

prosecutor. >> the charges against mr. castro are based on the decisions to snatch three young ladies from cleveland's west side streets to be using whatever self-gratifying and self-serving way he saw fit. also while in captivity, they withstood repeated beatings and were bound and restrained and sexually assaulted and never free to leave the residents. >> craig, where does the case go from here. >> reporter: investigators are going to continue to talk to witnesses and continue to talk to family members. the two castro brothers that you mentioned there, pedro and onil, for a good chunk of yesterday, a lot of folks thought they would be charged in connection with the case as well. not only were they not charged, but we're told they will be released from jail at some point during the course of the day.

you mentioned ariel castro this morning. didn't say a word. head hung low. the prosecutor in the case did say, however, to the judge this morning the roles have been reversed, your honor. ariel castro stands before you as a captive. at some point today there's a good chance that investigators will be back at one of the two homes behind me looking for more evidence. there's also going to be, chris, a communitywide meeting tonight at 7:00 p.m. where clergy members, community leaders and just about every elected official in the city of cleveland is going to be at the church at the end of the street behind me talking about moving forward. a lot has been made of the relationship or lack thereof or lack of a relationship between folks who live in this community and the police who were charged with patrolling the streets of this community over the past 48 hours you still have had a number of folks who said i

picked up the phone, i called 911 and the police didn't show or one gentleman said the police showed up and banged on the door and then they went away. meanwhile, the three young ladies, two of them we saw those emotional homecomings yesterday. gina dejesus we saw her reunited with her family wearing that hoodie and amanda berry we saw her reunit ed with her family yesterday. michelle knight is in the hospital in good condition. no word at this point on when she is going to be released. >> craig melvin, thank you so much for that update. coming up in about ten minutes, we'll have much more on this case when we talk to psya psychiatrist and a criminologist. turning now to capitol hill where right now it's the first big test for the immigration bill. supporters making passionate arguments at the senate judiciary committee markup but senator chuck grassley said just

the opposite. >> unfortunately this bill looks too much like the 1986 bill which failed to take care of the problems we're now trying to solve. it falls short of what i want to see in a strong immigration reform bill so you will hear me say many times that we shouldn't make the same mistake that we made in 1986. >> the political headline today reads gop sharpens knives for immigration. 300 amendments have been filed so far. >> i don't think amendments are trying to gut it. i read headlines that said that. i don't understand it. that's the way the process is supposed to work. some amendments would have the effect of destroying the bill but that's true on both sides. the vast majority of amendments are efforts to improve it and we welcome that. >> i want to bring in ann and michael. good morning to both of you. ann, let me start with you. marco rubio sounded positive there but with 300 amendments,

is there real danger that one or several of them could get in the way of the passage? >> it's interesting. you hear marco rubio doing what i think he'll do throughout this process which is to sound inclusive of everyone with a stake in this. he'll try to bridge the divide between the members of his own party and to some extent democrats and he has said all along that he welcomes a very thorough debate. i think that will include even things that would seem to risk damaging the bill. there's been this threat of poison pills from the outset. things that would destroy it. you'll see them try to excise those. in the process, rubio will say that he welcomes the debate and he welcomes talking about it. >> one of the amendments that maybe has gotten the most attention is the amendment that would let same-sex couples sponsor their partners the way that straight couples would sponsor a partner who wanted to become a citizen. republicans say it could kill the bill. how is this looking to play out? >> it could kill the bill if you take it to the house. there's also plenty of time to deal with that in conference

later on. you know, there's other amendments on the other side. mike lee has an amendment that says undocumented workers can only work as butlers and house cleaners and things like that. an amendment that orrin hatch has that requires dna testing of those that want to be citizens. the real test is whether this process can really light a fire among the grassroots and will talk radio gets upset about this like they were in 2007. they're not there yet. and whether or not over the next three, four months you have members of congress and members of the senate going home to home district and meeting angry crowds of people who don't want to see this done. right now it doesn't look like that's the case. it looks like marco rubio has the upper hand. the process will be ugly and clearly the intent of people like grassly and others who oppose this is to raise concerns among the public and get the

fires going. >> it is easy to see what marco rubio is doing. i think he does believe this can get done. last night vice president biden also said he's optimistic. >> as my grandpa would say, let the grace of god and good will of the neighbors congress will show the wisdom to pass the bipartisan immigration bill by the end of the summer. >> that is joe biden in his element. we had a congressman on yesterday that said he's optimistic. how do you see politics of this? is it that it is very likely to get done? somewhat likely? how do you read this at this point? >> they have to be optimistic at this point. it's just the outset. and certainly if you looked at the politics of it from a distance, you would say that it seems likely. there are a lot of americans who want to see it done. republican party itself has even some of the leadership has said that they need to soften their image and that includes bringing more hispanic into the fold. all of that said, it's difficult

to see exactly what the coalition and the house would look like. the senate is one thing. i think it's possible to see the path there. bringing it over to the house is different. like michael said, you'll see over the next few months how this plays out in the public and whether some part of it that maybe we don't even anticipate whether it's the costs of it or one element, one amendment that could take off in a way we haven't predicted or whether when members go home to their districts say they support it, we'll have to find out. >> what it may mean to politicians themselves. marco rubio with a big stake in this. ted cruz is proposing an amendment that would stop a pathway to citizenship for anyone already here who doesn't have legal status. and i wonder if you think this to some degree will also be a test of cruz's influence. >> it's definitely a test. i don't think that amendment has much chance of going forward because it's so -- it goes at the heart of what this bill is about which is a comprehensive bill that would just undo it and stop all progress.

you have this interesting dynamic between ted cruz, the tea party backed texas cuban american and marco rubio, tea party backed cuban florida american and they are both stars and incredibly charismatic and they have followings and they're going after each other and it's an interesting personality drama we'll watch play out. the macro politics of this are really on one side at this point. you look at the national polls. you look at where the republican party is and what president obama feels he has to do this year. things are pretty well lined up. there's lots of things that could sink it but the big narrative here is still very much on the side of the reformers. >> always good to see both of you. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in congressman chris van holland

who had dinner with the president last night. we learned immigration was one of the topics over dinner and so was the budget. since we're talking about immigration, what was the conversation like? were you able to put a fine point on democratic strategy to move this forward? >> the president emphasized his continuing commitment to getting comprehensive immigration reform passed. we all acknowledged the fact that it has good momentum in the senate beginning with the so-called group of eight and now working its way through committee. the question of course will be what happens when it lands in the house of representatives. i think the speaker of the house, john boehner, recognizes that this is important for the country and it's important for republicans. at least not to be standing in the way of something that has broad political support and makes policy sense. he's got a challenge because my guess is as of right now you've got a majority of the house republican caucus that would like to drag its feet and is not

yet on board. we need to keep that momentum going. >> who is key in turning that around? how do you make that happen? >> the key will be, number one, a vote out of the senate with a lot of momentum meaning a strong bipartisan vote out of the senate. and then we're going to have to work together to pull together a coalition in the house. the question is whether the speaker can bring enough of his members onboard or whether he will ultimately have to allow the house to work its will as it should meaning maybe it will pass the house without a majority of republicans but with a majority of the house. i think what we have to keep an eye out for is whether once it gets to the house, there's an effort just to send it off to committee and try and amend it to death and delay it and delay it. that's why it's important to keep public pressure on this issue. >> i want to switch gears and talk about the economy. house republicans are pushing a bill to prioritize the debt. a republican says it removes

default as an option and is supposed to guarantee that the u.s. then pays its bills on time. you don't exactly see it that way though, do you? >> of all of the bad ideas we've seen come to the floor of the house of representatives, this is one of the worst. what it says is that the united states will not pay all of its bills. that we will not pay some of our bills. we all know that you can't get up one morning or people listening can't get up one morning and say i'm only going to pay my mortgage payment but i won't make my car payments. they suggest the united states government send a signal that we're going to prioritize our bills meaning we'll pay some but not others and what's worse is they say the bills that we're going to pay are to bond holders like the government of china but we're not going to pay our troops or our veterans or other obligations of the united states government. that sends a terrible signal to people around the country. a terrible signal to the credit

markets and create huge damage to our economy if this would come to pass that united states would default and pretend that this was some kind of safety net. >> congressman chris van hollen, always good to have you on the program. thank you. >> good to be with you. thanks, chris. we're watching another story out of d.c. the house homeland security committee holding a hearing on the boston marathon bombing right now. the focus is on the response from law enforcement and emergency responders along with the events leading up to the april 15th attack. chairman saying he's concerned about information sharing and former senator joe lieberman says this could have been prevented. >> i believe that though it would not have been easy, it was possible to have prevented the terrorist attacks in boston. in a literal sense, the homeland security system we must acknowledge that we built after 9/11 to protect the american people from terrorist attacks failed to stop the

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what we are learning now about the harrowing ordeal suffered by three cleveland women held captive by a decade is almost beyond comprehension. the man accused of this depraved abuse, ariel castro, is behind bars after an appearance in a cleveland courtroom this morning with bail set at $8 million. castro is charged with kidnapping and rape which doesn't even begin to describe the repugnance of the crimes he's accused of that include multiple pregnancies that were starved and beaten out of one of the victims. >> in the 31 years since adam was murdered, 25 years on "america's most wanted" and having talked to lots of recovered victims, i've never seen anything as horrible as

this. this is mental, physical, sexual torture. >> let's bring in in a clinical assistant professor of psychiatry at nyu and a criminologist, professor at cal state san bernardino. thanks for both of you. professor, i want to start with you. powerful words from john walsh. does it seem to you as it does to me that sociopath doesn't even really describe the breath of what happened here. >> yes. you know, this is horrendous. think what could be done other than death that would be worse than this. this fellow is a violent, dominating, predatory narcissistic sociopath but sociopath doesn't even come close. he's incapable of maintaining the requisite empathy in a relationship. he has to dominate. he targets the vulnerable.

it's my guess that he had a preferred woman as opposed to some kind of equality with this. he could maintain a demeanor in other social situations that was quite limited in shortened duration. a violent, controlling narcissistic thug if you will. we can see that in his relationship with his former spouse. >> he understand that there were accusations that he had beaten her very badly. she had a number of broken bones and then on the other side you have the reports of him giving these women birthday cakes on the day that they were captured. i mean, the psychology of it is beyond -- i don't know how you begin to heal from something like this. i guess the only thing that we can say is that we have seen remarkable resilience in women who have been through horrors

like this in the past. where do you begin? >> it's a complicated question. we're not dealing with one isolated discrete episode of trauma. we're dealing with ten years of psychological and physical abuse. one of the first things when we talk about healing is looking at the medical issues and nutritional deprivation and medical consequences of being in the situation and dealing with psychological and looking at post-traumatic stress disorder, hallmark, three key features are intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, nightmares, avoidance of reminders and hypervigilance. resiliency and ability to cope really is within all of us but not everybody is necessarily able to tap into that. >> could they benefit from having therapy together? nobody else really knows truly what they went through except them. >> yes.

also in a group situation either with three women or with other women who have also been in similar circumstances, i think individual counseling, group therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy using particular manual related to post-traumatic stress disorder and family counseling. medication to treat depression. close observation. we don't know what the outcome will be. it's too early to tell. >> professor, we just got new information in this case and it comes to us from craig melvin, our reporter on the scene, who says in the initial search of the home investigators found a suicide note written by ariel castro dated 2004 and among other things he claimed he had been abused as a child. i don't know what you even do with that bit of information. >> many of these people have had abuse. there's also genetic issues. nevertheless, this is a person -- he's on suicide watch now.

and i think that is something accurate because this is someone who is not insane. this is someone who knew what he was doing was wrong and yet had a cognitive distortion where he could make excuses and you can see how by his demeanor in court how he knew what he did was wrong and now he has to face the reality of it. he's at a risk of suicide now. he really was someone who a compulsion to be in control in the most horrendous way that really dominated the lives of these women through violence and sexual torture and other things. and this is someone who again knows what he's doing. knew what he was doing was wrong. >> as horrible as abuse is for a child, thousands of people obviously go on to very

productive lives. and here's someone who though the accusation is he abused his wife, this is a far, far jump, a leap to the kind of depraved treatment. how do you go from that point to where we apparently are today? >> chris, it's narcissistic entitlement couple d with a cognitive distortion that the rules don't apply to me. this is the home construction he built for his life. and with his job. the rules didn't apply to him in that as well. this is someone who could maintain control in limited situations to keep status quo but in his own private life was a monster. and knew it.

>> thanks to both of you. we really appreciate it. again, craig melvin is on the scene. that late information he had once written a suicide note claiming he was abused as a child. meantime, the sentencing phase begins today in the jodi arias trial. the inquire convicted her of first-degree murder for killing ex-boyfriend travis alexander and will have to decide whether she should get the death penalty. she told fox in phoenix that she preferred a death sentence. >> i believe death is the ultimate freedom so i would rather just have my freedom as soon as i could get it. [ male announcer ] this is bob,

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after several tense hours of hearings wednesday, republicans in morning are still railing against the obama administration over the benghazi attack last september that killed u.s. ambassador chris stevens. they say someone needs to be held accountable and they blame hillary clinton specifically for a set of talking points that ambassador susan rice used on the sunday shows that did not call the attacks terrorism. >> what i think is sad is how many people are around the administration including the former secretary of state, secretary clinton, knew this to be the case and allowed this to move forward any way. you would have hoped people would have stood up and said this is wrong. the american people deserve the truth. that didn't happen. >> senator marco rubio continues to focus on those talking points. congressman darrell issa put out a release with all of his questions. joining me now, democratic

strategist and a republican strategist. john, we watched this play out. it was dramatic at times emotional. were there any big revelations? >> i think there were. the fact that we're talking about this the next morning after one of the biggest news days i've ever seen with the arias thing and the thing in cleveland and we're talking about this because there's real news that broke. the fact that cheryl mills who was bill clinton's impeachment lawyer was sent to stifle these whistle blowers from talking to congressional investigators is mind-blowing. the fact that this whistle-blower was demoted and told to shut up and not let the truth come out is also news worthy. i think this investigation has unearthed troubling things. i don't know if it goes all of the way to hillary clinton. she was the one in charge and i think that she's got some explaining to do herself. >> was there a stifling here and was there a demotion? >> i don't know if there's that much of a stifling. i saw bob corker earlier and the sound he used was him saying he

was satisfied that he knew what happened in the benghazi case. clearly there are problems maybe with security for these consulates and there was a lot of things we don't know in terms of the security situation and what kind of agencies were on the ground there and how they interacted but we have to keep this out of the political process. it's nerve-racking to watch republicans try to make so much political hay out of this which clearly seems to me to have overtones going into 2016 in the possible candidacy of hillary clinton more than getting at the facts of what happened in this case. >> and i should also say democratic congressman from new york came to the defense of hillary clinton at the hearing. let's listen to that. >> i find it truly disturbing and very unfortunate that when americans come under attack, the first thing some did in this country was attack americans. attack the military. attack the president. attack the state department.

attack the former senator from the great state of new york, former secretary of state hillary clinton. >> in january as you know, john, hillary clinton did take responsibility after that critical report by an independent review board with very prominent and well respected republicans on it. what more do republicans want? >> i think what they want to know is why did cheryl mills shut up these three state department who are not at all political. these guys are servants. >> what the official response is that it is protocol that there has to be a lawyer there when these questions are asked. there was no lawyer. and so she called and said this is not appropriate. >> i think -- >> when a member of the congressional hearing is going to question one, that is

protocol. >> what happened to greg hicks after he wanted to speak out is he was demoted and told to be quiet. >> the administration says his salary has not been cut and he asked for a transfer for the safety of his family. >> he said yesterday that he's been demoted and feels that he's at a desk job and he can't do his work. this is what happens to whistle blowers in the hillary clinton state department. that's the problem here. that is what we need to investigate further. >> let's talk more about gregory hicks. 22-year career diplomat. he told secretary clinton as it was happening that it was a terror attack and not a demonstration and he also was not complimentary of ambassador susan rice. >> fast forward to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that?

>> i was stunned. my jaw dropped and i was embarrassed. >> do republicans at least on some level have reason to continue this investigation? >> i don't doubt that there are still questions that remain that can be answered by some continued look at what happened during those days of benghazi. let's take a step back a little bit and realize these things are happening realtime. a phone call comes in to the secretary of state that says there's a terrorist attack. she's probably getting information from a variety of other sources at the same time and feeding that in through a process. they are trying to manage it. the president referred to this as a terrorist attack when he came out into the rose garden to have that conversation. the notion that there was something going on here that involved people taking action against the united states of america that did not have the u.s. best interest at heart and wanted to harm americans was

where the federal government was. going back to assume facts that we know later that the people on the ground are in the middle of knew at the time. thomas ran a thorough investigation of this. they assigned some blame to the state department. they made recommendations about how to fix it. the secretary of state took responsibility for it. they implemented those recommendations. let's get focus on how to protect american diplomats abroad. >> everyone would agree with that for sure. thanks to both of you. more news out of boston tops the news feed this morning. the body of marathon bombing suspect tamerlan tsarnaev has been entuombed. a courageous and compassionate person came forward to help bury him. officials didn't say where that burial site is. tamerlan's widow, katherine russell, hired a prominent criminal attorney with experience in terror cases. her brother-in-law, suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev, says russell had nothing to do with the marathon attack but officials do

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all federal gun regulations void. now even if the governor signs that law, there could be legal hurdles. u.s. attorney general eric holder has already said the federal government will challenge a similar law passed in kansas. clearly the gun debate isn't going away. but are there lessons from the past, attitudes that had to be changed from issues of mandatory seat belts to drunk driving. they shared one thing, the passion of people who lost loved ones. i want to bring in the former national president for mothers against drunk driving. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> as you well know, gun control advocates are in a position madd was 34, 35 years ago fighting these long entrenched ideas in this case about the second amendment and concerns that laws like background checks will be a slippery slope. do you think there are lessons that madd learned about how to get one side of the issue to change ideas that are really in

many ways culturally entrenched? >> well, yes. madd did have great ideas. the bottom line is that we lo looked at the early days they went with a gut feeling. in modern times in mid '80s and '90s, we went with research. what research, what sound research could we use in stopping drunk driving. those who made the choice to drink and drive on our roadways? we focused on the driver to solve our problem. what can we do to educate the public? it is about education and letting them know that we will not tolerate drunk driving in our country. >> your daughter, patty, was 10 years old when she was killed in a crash caused by a drunk driver in 1998. you appear in a documentary that i want to play a clip of if i can. >> when patty was born and as she grew, she looked so much like my husband, jim. i thought if anything ever

happens to jim, i will always have patty. little did i know it would be the reverse. >> it is heartbreaking to see the picture of your beautiful daughter as i'm sure it is for you every day to know that she's gone. you talked about the importance of education. do you think there's an important emotional component as well. families of newtown victims have spent a lot of time and emotional energy going to capitol hill, going to town halls in districts of lawmakers. was that important do you think for madd as well? >> by all means. you know, the one thing that madd did was put a face on the statistics, on the numbers. we chose to fight the activists to make change in our communities, our state and our nation. i have been involved in the front lines of this battle for 25 years. it is not easy to change. it is not easy to change

perception. as a matter of fact, when i first started the term designated driver was not even rolled out and now everyone hears the term designated driver. i would say to these families you have got to gain your sense of control. you have got to do something positive with the horrible negative that occurred to you during your life and you do have to make change. you've got to focus on what is going to be best for you, what is going to be best for your community, and what is going to be best for our nation. >> do you have to have a thick skin as well? the father of one of the children who died in newtown has now been the target of one particular area of the gun lobby. they've been accusing him of profiting off the tragedy even though there's no gun group that ever paid him for his work. they publicized a drug arrest from ten years ago saying it makes him the poster boy for background check ineffectiveness. did those kind of tactics

surprise you? did madd hit angry walls in the early days? >> we certainly did. in fact, my greatest saying is that when i lobbied on the hill for the .08 law to be passed, i said you have to learn how to smile with a knife in your back because you just never know. we all have those hurdles. they go after the person. they do whatever they can do so that they look better in the eyes of the law. the bottom line is that if you know what you're doing is right, if you know what you're doing is going to save lives, if you know what you're doing is going to change societal new orleans, then you go for it. you have to have a thick skin. those of us who have lost loved ones whether they be children, spouses, we just have to continue to work hard, work hard, work hard and see that the nation pays attention. >> it is amazing how many lives -- we'll never know how

many lives madd saved by changing ideas that we had for so long about drunk driving. great of you to come on the program. thank you so much. >> chris, thank you so much. i just want to remind everyone to please make the choice to never drunk and drive because the life they save may be their own. >> indeed. thank you so much. today's tweet of the day comes from the co-editor of "mother jones." today's heartbreak, 71 kids have been killed by guns since newtown. 29 of them in accidents involving other kids. [ male announcer ] this is kevin.

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we want to take you to washington d.c. john boehner, who gives a weekly press briefing, just came out. this is one of the first times we have heard him really specifically wade into this whole benghazi issue. it's something he let the rank and file deal with. there was the hearing yesterday. let's listen in. >> i hope you all tuned into yesterday's hearing on the tragedy in benghazi. we learned that on september 12th, the day after the attacks and four days before susan rice's tv appearances, a senior state department official e-mailed her superiors to relay that the libyan ambassador had told the libyan ambassador that the attack was conducted by

islamic terrorists. the state department would not allow our committees to keep copies of this e-mail when it was reviewed. i would call on the president to order the state department to release this e-mail so that the american people can see it. we also know that the white house continues to claim it only made stylistic changes to the talking points used by susan rice. ignoring the fact that senior white house officials directed the changes be made to those talking points. our committee's interim report quotes specific e-mails where the white house and the state department insisted on removing all references to the terrorist attack to protect the state department from criticism for providing inadequate security. a few members were able to review these ioe-mails, they we not allowed to keep them or

share them with others. i would call on the president to release these unclassified interagency e-mails so that the american people can see them. the last i remember the president said that he would be anticipate to cooperate with the congress in any way the congress wants. this is his chance to show his cooperation so that we can get to the truth of what happened in benghazi. four americans lost their lives in their terrorist attack. congress is going to continue to investigate this issue using all of the resources at our disposal. >> john boehner. nbc's kristen welker is traveling with the president to texas today. kristen, he is wading into this calling for the release of e-mails that they say are key that they learned about in this hearing yesterday. what's been the white house reaction to it the hearing? >> reporter: the white house has long said they believe the

republicans are playing politics with this issue. white house press secretary jay carney got a number of questions during his daily briefing yesterday on this very topic and he said any changes that were made to those talking points that the white house weighed in on were stylistic in nature and not substantive. having said that, it has been revealed that the white house was involved in those discussions as was the state department so one thing is clear, chris, this issue is not going away for this white house or for the state department. that could of course have implications for former secretary of state hillary clinton if she does decide to run for president. these are questions that she will long have to answer. one thing that's interesting. the president will be in austin trying to change the topic back to the economy today. >> i think that the introduction of john boehner means that this is not going to go away at least not today for sure. we're going to continue to follow the president's trip to texas. thank you very much, kristen

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