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was found inside the house. it contains a confession. "i am a sexual predator. i need help." he also blames his victims. saying "they are here against their will because they made a mistake of getting in a car with a total stranger." and says he was abused by his parents as a child and was raped by an uncle. one of the victim's cousins confirming today to "the new york times" that the women were, "kept in the basement like dogs." but as this alleged demon held the women captive, he seemingly lived a normal life to everyone outside the house of horrors. he wrote on facebook, took walks in the park, hung out with neighbors and nobody knew his

dark side, not even his brothers who were released today from custody, not even his own daughter who was best friends with one of the victims knew -- even she didn't know her dad's dark side. >> no, i had no idea. me and my father were never really that close. every time we would talk, it would just be short conversations and just a hello, how are you doing and let me know if you need anything and that was it. >> in terms of violence in the home, did you ever witness that? >> oh, no. never. >> another amazing development. joining me is msnbc's craig melvin, who is outside a cleveland church where a prayer service is to be held later tonight. craig, an amazing scene playing out today in that courtroom. is he cooperating? >>. >> reporter: you know, rev, all indications are at this point,

yes. yesterday we heard that he waived miranda and we also heard from a source close to the investigation that he was answering questions. this morning he did not have to plead so he did not enter a plea this morning but within 30 days, when that case goes before the grand jury, we are expecting a plea of some sort. but, yes, from what we are hearing, yeah, he is cooperating to a certain extent. you mentioned the $8 million bond, he would have to put up $800,000. so no one thinks that's going to happen. he's going to be in jail until the time of his trial, if there is a trial. he was transferred today from city jail to county jail and we're also told at one point he was also in protective custody. he was being kept away from the other inmates. in terms of what is happening in the neighborhood, you mentioned that 7:00 prayer meeting. it's also going to be a community meeting as well where folks who live in this neighborhood, they are expecting 1 or 200 people, where they can

come and they are going to be able to ask questions and voice their concerns, vent frustrations with elected leaders, law enforcement officials as well. that's set to start here at 7:00. they are going to be erecting a fence around the castro home in the next few days, a 10 to 12-foot fence for a variety of reasons, so they can open up this street that's been closed off for a couple of days. >> i understand you have a man there who knows ariel castro? >> yes, i want to bring in ricky sanchez. throughout the day we've been trying to find out who this 52-year-old is who is charged with these heinous crimes. you've known him since 1996, right? >> yes. >> how did you come to know him? >> it's all about music. see, i started playing in 1995 and there's a whole bunch of

group musicians here down in cleveland. >> so in the music scene? >> i'm a bass player and he's also a bass player. >> you were in the house on thursday, i understand? >> this past thursday he invited me over to his house, yes. >> you walked inside, everything seemed normal? >> everything seems normal. >> reporter: we've heard about kurt curtains on the windows, how is that normal? >> it was hard for me to -- the guy was a very nice guy and there was no way for me to have any clue what he was doing. he told me one day that he was going to take one of the windows on the side and just take it out and -- which he did, and he put a panel, like a plywood panel. >> did you ever see any of the women? >> i never got to see these women, any woman. >> did you see the little girl?

>> i saw her last thursday when he invited me to go. after 45 minutes of me being in that house, she showed up from the back of the house, which is the -- it was a -- the kitchen. she showed up to me and he introduced her to me as his granddaughter. >> as his granddaughter? >> yep. >> he said, hey, ricky, this is my granddaughter? >> yep. >> reporter: and you thought nothing of it? >> i had no clue what he was doing. >> reporter: what about reports that there were five locks on the door? >> when -- see, when i went to practice with me, after we finished what we were doing, you know, everything was about music here. after we finished, i tried to get out of that door and that door has so many locks that i was so -- i couldn't even get out. i had to ask him, would you please help me. >> craig, did he find it strange to have -- to see all those locks? and what was the demeanor of the

young girl that he thought was the granddaughter? did she act afraid, overly shy? was there anything that struck him about the behavior of the young girl? >> yes, she was very shy. she even was walking -- she was walking towards -- towards the front door and she was like this, kind of like walking like this, looking towards me. and i wave at her. >> reporter: did she seem afraid or -- >> she seem kind of very shy. ah, my kid's here. >> reporter: in the 15 years you knew him, was there anything that ever seemed remotely strange about him? did he have a temper? was he a drug -- did you ever see him drink excessively? >> this guy was a very nice guy. the whole entire time. i've been coming to this house since 2001. >> ricky, did you guys -- you played in a band together.

how often did y'all go out on gigs and how late at night were you out that you saw him out? >> reporter: when you guys were in the band, when you were out playing gigs, how often? how often and what was he like when -- >> and how late? i'm curious how he kept them captive. >> oh, we played until late, 2:00, 2:30 in the morning. >> and he would be there with you? >> i never came that late except one time. we came -- >> go ahead. >> reporter: rev, feel free to jump in. >> no, i'm trying to find out how often he might have been out of the house playing gigs and how late he might have been out. >> reporter: so how late was he usually out? >> every time we played in a gig, we finished at 2:30 in the morning. >> and he'd be out until 2:30 in the morning? >> 2:30 in the morning.

>> reporter: what did he tell you about a girlfriend? >> i remember back in 2001 he had a girlfriend. i had a friend, the four of us came into the living room, i remember back in those days in 2001 and everything seemed normal. he put the radio all the way up, music was always up, playing, practicing, there was no clue. his face, he never showed that there was something going on. >> reporter: did he ever let you go to different parts of the house? >> about five years ago he took me on a tour up to the sebld lev second level. all i got to see was his room and a closet, you know, when you look at his house right there, that window on the left-hand side. there's two. >> clint -- let me bring in

clint van zandt, former fbi profiler. what's your take on what you hear about ricky sanchez saying about the suspect? >> it's just absolutely amazing, al. what it gives us a picture of is how terrified and how conditioned these women were that they must have obviously when your guest was on the first floor and the second floor, the women had to have been in a basement. we know they never got out of the house. so they had to have been locked up, chained up, tied up and this is the type of guy, al, who very easily would leave them in the house, circle the house and come back again to see if they were making noises, to see if they were trying to escape, to punish them because he would have been conditioning their behavior to be quiet and not try to get out under any circumstances. this was the ultimate carrot and the stick and i'm sure this guy used the stick much more often. >> and he must have been very

confident about it. that's why i was asking ricky, did he go on gigs, how late would he stay out? if he's going to a gig and playing the bass until 2:30 in the morning, he must have been confident that he had these young ladies either bound very strongly or he had them under his spell, or both because clearly he was going out, doing things that seemed to indicate he wasn't concerned that they would be getting away. >> we may well find out, al, that it was a combination of confidence, as you suggest, arrogance, and what the realization that this terrible soc sociopathic personality had so terrorized and traumatized these women that they gave up all hope of escape, all hope of doing anything. realize, all they had to cling to was each other. >> yeah.

>> and even when this one young woman escaped this week, we know, al, that the other two stayed back. they didn't run. they were probably so used to being punished and threatened that when they do the cost benefit analysis, do i try to get away? if i do, he's going to hurt me bad, they made the decision even when the light of day was there, they chose not to run because they were so conditioned, so traumatized that they would never get away. >> now, i want to go back to this suicide note. in the suicide note that he wrote in 2004, this is castro, he wrote upon his death all of his money be provided to each of his victims. what does that tell you about him, clint? why would he have want -- why would he have wanted to leave his money to his victims? does that show some kind of g t

guilt, even though he is obviously a sick person? >> well, i hate this -- i hate to give this guy the benefit of doubt for anything, al. i think what it suggests is the rationalization. number one, he tells us he was abused as a child. again, not my fault. somebody else. >> yeah. >> number two, he tells us it's the fault of the women, that they got in his car. it's their fault. it's not his. so it's all a rationalization and, al, it's justification in his mind that he's not that bad of a guy because, look what i've done, i've taken care of them. i've celebrated anniversaries with them. i mean, the only thing i'm afraid of is that this guy is going to come up with some type of defense of insanity. i don't think this guy's insane. i think he, as you characterized him, is a monster. >> now, he made cakes and made

them celebrate the anniversary of their abduction. now, his wife in 2005 saw the restraining order against him. according to his ex-wife, castro had allegedly broke her nose twice, broke her ribs, and caused a blood clot in her brain. then we -- we played earlier his daughter, she was a close friend of gina dejesus, one of the victims. listen to her emotional message to gina this morning. >> what would you like to say to gina, her family, and the other women now? >> i would like to say that i'm absolutely so, so sorry. i really want to see you, gina. and i want you to meet my kids. i'm so sorry for everything.

>> now, that is the suspect -- this is who i called monster's daughter, who was a friend of one of the victims and she's answering the question of what she would say to gina, one of the victims. he actually abducted and held for a decade one of his daughter's friends. >> yeah. and i think that's part of the way -- that's part of the way, al, he would have identified. you and i talked early on in the case, there would be some type of a relationship or at least knowledge between the kidnapper and the victim and in this case, obviously three victims. and i think what we're going to find, too, al, his ability to compartmentalize within himself, you know, the jeckyl and the

hyde personality where the children and the friends and neighbors talk about him being this wonderful guy but how could a daughter not know, if it's true, that he broke his wife, her mother's nose two or three times, fractured ribs, dislocated shoulders and, al, we're told that the oldest of the three victims, the first victim, the 20-year-old, that she was beaten so badly by him that she had lost the hearing in one ear and lost some of the use of her face because of how brutal he was. al, that can be a way to control the other two victims. you simply say, look how -- look what happened to this woman. if you don't do what i tell you to, that's going to happen to you, too. what choice would those young women have had? >> i'll ask the guests to stand by. more of our coverage live from cleveland after this. ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear!

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welcome back. let's go back to cleveland where city councilman brian cummings is standing by and here in new york i have with me eugene o'donnell, former nypd detective and zach kree carter. thank you all for being here. councilman, let me go to you first. what is the mood in cleveland? >> i think fatigue would sum it

up in one word. we've been on a roller coaster from the joy that they were alive to the horror for what would have happened in that decade and the sense of guilt as to why the police or otherwise could not have solved this crime earlier and really at this point wanting more information, of course, wanting more details. when the details come out, being pretty disgusted by the horrors. so it's been a pretty big roller coaster and i think people are tired. >> you helped organize this community gathering tonight. what do you hope is accomplished and/or achieved by the gathering tonight? >> you know, reverend, we've had some experience with some traumatic events. nothing that compares to this. we know if you don't bring the community together within some reasonable period of time after something like this explodes on to the scene, we know that it isn't healthy for the community

in terms of expressing themselves, in terms of wanting to get questions asked. you know, the media, there's press conferences, the media gets asked questions and the public sits there and watches this unveil and that's one of the first things, giving the opportunity to bring things together. we have inner faith vigil service at the end of the events and we have priests that are going to help us through this and really somewhat of a briefing. we don't pekexpect a lot of new information but we're going to talk about the cleveland courage fund that we've established for the benefit of the victims and also talk about victim services and mental health in services for people in the community. i was so touched by ricky's comments, you know, people like him that actually knew the abductor must be going through absolutely hell trying to figure out how they could be associated with someone this evil. >> zachary carter, let me go to

you first. there's certainly a lot of finger pointing that will go on as the days go by. many on the police, neighbors, and i think that cleefly when you start looking into this, one has to legitimately ask where was the ball dropped? now, i'm the one that says the neighbors don't have the obligation. the police are to uphold and protect. and there's been some problems with this police department. but where do you, as a prosecutor, do you begin to see where things could have maybe been avoided here? >> based on what's been publicly reported, it appears that people are not focusing far enough back in time. this appears to be a case of unredressed domestic violence, serious domestic violence. you mentioned that his late wife had suffered two broken noses, broken ribs, dislocated shoulders, a clot on her brain.

there was a filing in the domestic violence court, a family court in cleveland and it doesn't appear to be any record in there or any serious consequences that visited themselves upon ariel castro as a result of that. in addition, he had another daughter who is apparently 30 years old, according to the reporting, who is currently doing 25 years in an indiana prison for having attempted to murder her 11-month-old child. this documented history of how this sort of abuse gets passed on from generation to generation. can you imagine living in that environment and developing in a normal way? >> last night, eugene, on my show we had a friend of castro, a neighbor, friend is probably too strong of a term. said he called the police in 2011. listen to this. >> she come home from work and say she saw a girl holding a

baby beating on the window asking for help. when i came back home, i immediately called the police. >> so you call the police, the police came, a cruiser eventually came, they pounded on the door 20 times and then went away? you're absolutely positive? because police say they have no record of this. >> look, i'm absolutely positive. >> now, of course the cleveland police deny that. they were called to the house. let's listen to the police chief. >> we have no record of those calls coming in over the last ten years. >> you have no record of it. does that mean those calls didn't come or is it possible the calls were made and for whatever reason they were never recorded? >> no, we would have a recording of those calls. >> now, the reason there's a problem with the confidence in cleveland, this is the same police department that was known for miss handling a case in

cleveland of a serial killer in ohio named anthony sowell. the woman who reported this, detachment from any amotion or come in the station and report it, not, we'll come get you. december 2008, another -- a different woman reported attempted rape. then, september 2009, sowell rapes two more women. october 2009, police arrive with the warrant. if they did more in 2008, they may have avoided the last two rapes. so whether you are throwing blame or not, you can see why there's a lot of community concern when the police say, oh, no, nobody told us anything, when you have glaring cases like this with this department just two or three years ago.

>> no question. there are tremendous questions to be asked. judge carter referenced going back on the domestic violence. i was a domestic violence prosecutor. they are the scariest people that come in to court and can't let them get a pass. there's issues that have to be looked at. that man seems pretty adamant that the police were summoned. now, he might have found them in the street, might not have been a 911 call, but certainly the police to the extent that they could have gone in there and stopped this, they should have done it. they are so in to box checking, the actually quality of the service that they deliver to people, figuring out what is going on, using their soft skills to look around and sweep the area, they don't do it as much as they should. >> zach, when you look at the fact -- we know amanda berry and gina dejesus were known in

cleveland. they had roots there. michelle knight wasn't and the fact that knight seems to have been quickly dismissed as just another troubled woman who ran away from home counts as a definite demerit of the cleveland pd. is that a fair statement, do you think? >> i don't know, whether based on what happened with miss knight that establishes a pattern of being indifferent. again, i think that the focus hand been in the wrong place. i think that over the last few years after these women were abducted, it's easy to say in hindsight that i saw this or i saw that. but what was really evident and documented was the domestic violence which was -- seemed to have been the root of this. he apparently kept his wife in very much the same conditions of captivity as he kept these girls. >> your real point is that they should have gone back further

and go to the documents that they had in terms of court proceedings or police proceedings? >> i think if we're going to take a lesson of this going forward, you've got to address serious reports of domestic violence in realtime so that they don't get out of hand. because, again, who knows what would have happened if his issues had been addressed back then. maybe these kidnappings don't happ happen. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you for your time. ahead, new details about the horrific ordeal these women face after their long road to healing. we'll talk to a woman who survived her own abduction when she was just 7 years old. plus, a hero, maybe, and a path to redemption? we'll tell you what the ex-wife of charles ramsey is saying about her husband's heroic actions. stay with us. kate and i have been married for 15 years.

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because i saw all three of them together. they didn't want to get separated at that point yet but then it's working out good. they are great. they are fantastic. >> and now they are -- rely on their entire community for the long road ahead. joining me now is rose marrow laurie. when she was 7 years old, she was kidnapped, held captive and sexually assaulted by a stranger for nine hours. eventually she was able to get back home and she's writing about how she survived her ordeal for salon.com and ma mamar marc klaas is an advocate for missing children. thanks to both of you for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> of course. thank you. >> rose, what is it going to take for these women to recover

from what's happened to them? >> time. there's really no other -- i mean, there are other things that you can and should do and same sure they will. i was kidnapped for a day. that happened 31 years ago and maybe in the past few years i've gotten to a point where really i don't think about it at all. when things like this happen, i do. but i can't tell you that it really affects me on a day-to-day basis. but that's the majority of my life at this point. >> and you were taken nine hours and it's taken you years. they have been under this control condition and captor for ten years. >> right. right. you know, i certainly can't speak for them. i can't even imagine what that must be like, even though i was kidnapped just for a day, but time -- time is a great healer,

obviously. >> now, marc, the women terrorized by ariel castro, today we're learning how michelle had to deliver amanda's baby and forced knight to deliver the baby in an inflatable swimming pool and threatened to kill knight if the baby did not survive birth. this is terrifying. how did they move past episodes like this, marc? >> well, reverend, this guy is one of the worst satist that i've ever heard of. what they went through for a decade demonstrates the insurmountable power of will. they are going to need to take advantage of all of the resources that are made available to them. i would imagine that they will need years of psychological counseling but only after they find a psychologist or psychologist that understands what they went through and is

able to help them through it and of course they will need some spiritual guidance and certainly the love of their family and community. >> rose, amanda berry's grandmother spoke with the "today" show this morning about talking to amanda about this ordeal. listen to what she had to say. >> i know you've said that you don't plan on asking amanda many of the details of what happened to her. is that to save amanda from having to go through it or in some way to save yourself from having to hear it? >> well, i can hear it and if she needs to talk to me about it, that's fine. but, no, i'm not going to bother amanda until she's ready. until amanda's ready to talk, i give her room and space. she'll know when to do it. she's a tough girl. she'll know. >> in your opinion, rose, and certainly no one can speak for anyone else, but do you think that it's best that these women

talk to their families about what happened ordeal with it in their own way like a grandmother says? >> i found that talking helps and doesn't help and not talking helps and doesn't help and for me it depended on who it was. i actually was taken to a child psychologist a few months after i was kidnapped and at that age i just didn't like her. i didn't want to see her again. my parents didn't push it. i don't fault them for that. there were plenty of times where i talked about it and maybe shouldn't have. i kind of became a celebrity in my town for a while, all the kids wanted to hear the story. at the time, i was happy to tell it. do i think it was a good idea now psychologically, probably not. it's moving forward. it's life. you make mistakes. i made mistakes about how to handle and process my kidnapping just as anyone makes mistakes about anything. but time, i'm in a much better place now. >> rose raises an interesting

point, marc, because these young ladies have gone from captive for a decade to now as they go through this healing, they are national figures. they are a celebrity. does that take away from a lot of the public's understanding the sting, the pain, the trauma that victims go through? many that don't even become celebrity? are we -- are we in a place where we may miss the point here? >> i think that that's a possibility but, you know, just like rose, i have a good friend who was kidnapped and was able to escape after a couple of days and she was very clear to me that -- and i didn't ask about this but she said, you know, the details of what went on during that time are absolutely nobody's business but mine and if i feel like talking to somebody about them at some point, i'll do that. now, mitzy is somewhat of a

celebrity in her community but she's found a way to advocate on behalf of other girls that are at risk or in trouble and that's gone a long way towards helping her recover and now only slowly she's starting to talk about some of the things that happened during the time that this character had her. >> laurie, by you writing about it and talking about it, has that also helped you in your recovering and dealing with it? because i was reading, you were saying for a long time even though you're the person that victimized, you went to jail, you kept seeing him, did dealing with this in the way you have helped to get you to a better place? >> do you mean from writing about it? >> yeah, from writing about it and by advocating on behalf of people who have gone through situations like this and like you did. >> right. yeah. i mean, well, you know, it's

kind of funny. i credit it with why i became a writer by trade in my adult life because at the age of 7 i had this amazing story that people wanted to hear. again, was it their business to ask? these were other kids saying, i heard you were the girl that was kidnapped. tell me about that. at that time, i was happy to oblige. if you want to say a great thing came out of this for me, i found a career that i love, i'm good at, and writing in general, it did help. it does help. >> clint? >> al, i'm listening to rose and when i was 7 years old and i let

a stranger take me by the hand and show me newborn puppies and he took me back into a garage and he closed the door. al, there were no puppies there. there was just this terrible man who took off his belt and lunged at me and when he did, al, a combination of drunk, dumb, stupid, i don't know what it was, but somehow this 7-year-old boy turned side ways, this guy went past me. al, i was out the door of that garage. i was on -- back on the street. we have obsessive/couple pull sif personalities. i made the classic mistake, that i felt it was my fault. i felt -- and it was in a way because i went with a stranger. my parents had told me not to do that. >> so this happened to you, clint? >> i didn't tell my parents. yeah. to me. and al, i didn't tell my parents for over 50 years. i told no one.

>> for over 50 years you kept -- and you've been in the fbi, you've become a major profiler on television. 50 years you kept the fact that at 7 years old you yourself were abducted and had to run to escape? that's amazing. >> i did. i did. i held it and now like rose, you know, when i get a chance to share that, we can't allow ourselves to be victimized like that. if we're victimized like rose, like marc, like others, we have to step up and say, i will not be a victim. and al, because i didn't say anything, i allowed that guy to stay out there and i allowed him that the average predator will offend 50 to 150 times before he's arrested. by me not saying anything. >> i allowed that guy to stay out there. there are guilt feelings because

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charles ramsey, has captured the attention of the nation. people are talking about his heroism, some about his past, and now some are mocking him online. joining me is "the new york times" best selling author and b.e.t. columnist, "charles ramsey and the racial politics of respectability." thanks for being on the show. >> thanks for being here. w . >> why he is being mocked online? >> we have to present an image positive to people, mainly to white people, or this they will not think of us as acceptable. you have people looking at his demeanor and say this is not the type of black person to represent us. we want someone like a barack obama or will smith or an

educated person. charles ramsey is really articulating. he's a compelling witness of what took place. >> you know, i saw this being brought up yesterday. if it wasn't brought up, i wouldn't have brought it up. we should be proud of the circumstances. this man did a heroic act. >> i think you're right. there's four things that he did. he made the 911 call. >> absolutely. >> he declined any kind of reward money. he said, i don't want a reward. third, said, i'm not a hero. that's exactly what we expect our heroes to do, not to stand in the spotlight and demand attention. fourth, i think this is really

most important, actually, he opened up a dialogue about race. he welcomed us to have this discussion when he said this little pretty white girl running into a black guy's arms. >> he's being absolutely factual as to how he felt. let me burst another bubble here. he had a background of domestic violence. but his ex-wife, who i give credit, defended him on her facebook page today saying, "for the record, people do change and you shouldn't hold the past against someone. the main thing is, charles ramsey did a good deed and those girls are safe. is that not the most important thing?" this is his ex-wife. i give her a lot of credit for standing up with him since her situation has been highlighted

all over the country. >> i think so. you're thrust into the situation as an anonymous person and then everyone knows your story. we all have backstories. we've all done things that we're not necessarily proud of or ashamed of. charles ramsey straightforwardly acknowledged that. he said this arrest made me a better person. >> also psychologically, he knew whatever was in his background and didn't say, i better not pursue this or somebody will try and blame me. he did what could have caused him some questions, given how some, some police report and try to help these girls. i think he should be given a lot of credit for that. >> i think so, too. and there's talk about angel

cordoa and his help as well. >> i acknowledge that as well. >> regardless of who opened the door or broke down the door, both of these men did something heroic. he created this conversation in the country that we really needed to have. >> and i think that those that want to hide behind the classism ought to get over it and realize heroes do heroic things. keith, thank you for your time. >> thank you, reverend. what three young women in cleveland are teaching the whole country. that's next. and you'll dump your old duster. swiffer 360 duster extender cleans high and low, with thick all around fibers that attract and lock up to two times more dust than a feather duster. swiffer gives cleaning a whole new meaning.

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ally bank. your money needs an ally. these are live pictures from the church in cleveland where a community meeting and prayer service will start in just a minute. tonight, the city of cleveland and so much of the country is uniting behind these three women and the little girl born in captivity. so much has been taken from them. so much of their young lives, yet now in freedom they are already starting to give back to the city that lost them. we learned from them hope. we will, in the coming days or weeks or months, find out what happened. we will find out about the stifling fear and what they must have thought or where they might have been conditioned. but one thing we know is that at some point they reached out in a dash for freedom, a dash of hope

and thank god there was a charles ramsey or somebody there. we must all never give up. we must all wait until that moment that breakthrough comes through. don't ever give up and when you do, begin to feel like you're giving up, remember amanda, remember those two others, remember that young girl. had they given up, the world would not be saying tonight those three girls represent something all of us need to learn. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. horror in cleveland. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. the horrors of cleveland are growing. one of those captiveen