martin, all yours. >> good afternoon. it's wednesday, may 22nd. first, the horror. now, the heroism. just 48 hours after that tornado. >> the people of moore should know that their country will remain there for them. >> in the midst of tragedy and loss of life, we've also seen the resilience and the courage and the strength of our people. >> i prayed. i said, god, please don't take these kids today. >> what was going through your mind at that point? >> that that might be it. >> we are learning more about those who have lost their lives. >> including 9-year-old janay hornsby. >> she was just sunshine on a rainy day. >> they're resilient. they bounce back. i love the spirit of this place. >> this represents the hope that we can be better off. >> yeah. >> because where else in the world could you walk away from this and get back up on your feet?

good afternoon. and this hour, local residents in that devastated region of oklahoma are being allowed back to what remains of their homes. and as they do so, the mayor of moore has vowed to push for a new law that would require a reinforced shelter for every new home that's to be built in the town. those comments came as secretary of homeland security janet napolitano arrived to provide federal support and to witness the destruction for herself. she met with governor mary fallin and other local officials just as the price tag for monday's deadly tornado reached $2 billion. putting it on track to become the most expensive tornado in u.s. history. meanwhile, the search for survivors is winding to a halt, with rescue teams saying that every single home and business damaged by the tornado has been

checked at least once. officials tell us not to expect the discovery of any more bodies or survivors from the wreckage. meanwhile, those who did survive this horrifying ordeal are starting to speak out. and their stories are absolutely harrowing. >> i just dove under the sink. and then felt something fall on my back. maybe the -- you know, the stuff fell on my legs, stuff was pinning my feet. then i felt the sink finally fall and it hit my head and it hit my shoulder. >> what was going through your mind at that point? >> that that might be it. that's what they're going to find me, like that. >> the medical examiner's office said that 23 of the 24 victims have now been identified. and that ten of them were children. ranging in age from just 4 months to 9 years.

in addition to those fatalities, 230 people suffered injuries as a direct result of the storm. we're also now learning the names and seeing some of the faces of those whose lives were lost over the last 48 hours. as the families of moore try to pick up the pieces of their lives, the white house has announced that the president will visit the town on sunday to express the nation's gratitude to first responders and to extend comfort and consolation to those most affected by this historically destructive tornado. let's turn now to thomas roberts, who joins us live from moore, oklahoma. thomas, we mentioned earlier that the identities of some of the victims are starting to come out. in fact, you spoke with the father of children killed by this tornado. tell us about that interview, tom. >> reporter: martin, we had an opportunity to meet joshua hornsby. the name janay hornsby might be

familiar to many. she is the first identified victim of the storm. she was 9 years old. and she attended plaza towers middle school, the elementary school that was demolished by this storm system. and that is the same school where other children perished. but we learned of her name the other day and started to get pictures of this beautiful child with the beautiful smile. and today we met her father. a quiet man with a simple message about his daughter. what was janay like? what was your daughter like? >> she was a -- she was loving, caring, fun, energetic. she was just sunshine on a rainy day, you know. she -- there's no way to explain her. she was just happy. always happy. always outgoing. she was just janay.

>> reporter: you'll probably notice that when joshua said she was my sunshine on a rainy day his face totally lit up saying the word "sunshine." this is a dad with a very quiet confidence about him in talking about his daughter. very calm about it, martin. it really took me by -- by a little surprise to see him so composed and so calm. especially when we think about his back story. i don't know if a lot of people have heard about the fact that he lost his wife just a year ago. she passed away. and he has a 2-year-old daughter at home named jia. he's a single dad now having to go through this recent tragedy, losing his olde esest daughter, he's going to have to raise his youngest daughter. he wants to make sure his youngest girl knows all about their mom and the big sister janay. but the stories that are coming out of this area, martin, they are overwhelming. as you can see, there's a lot of activity going on behind me. i mean, there is a sadness. there is a certain palpable sadness in the air. but there's also an energy where

people are working to try to restore their lives. this is an area that has seen this type of devastation before. they've walked down this road. they've come back from this road. and everybody seems to say that they will do the same thing once again. >> thomas, i'm not surprised that you were taken aback by the courage of that father. it was truly remarkable, given the circumstances. what are people on the ground saying about the relief effort, supplies coming in, and assistance that they're receiving? is there a sense that their needs are being supplied at this time? >> so far, so fwogood on that front, martin. the emergency assistance that has come into this area, whether organized through regional, state and federal affiliates or through just community resources, has been demonstrative. i mean, we have seen the american red cross everywhere. americare is here. fema representatives walking in the streets. the area we are now there's a

volunteer support center set up where palettes of water have been dropped off. food is served at all hours. regardless of people who walk up, all circumstances. this is a community, the motto we take care of our own really sticks with what is happening here. they are walking the walk. they are taking care of their own. not many people have actually taken the american red cross up on their offer to stay in the four different shelters that they've opened. but what we're seeing in this area is people getting back to their lives. getting back to the business of their lives. that means cleaning up and in some cases cleaning up one brick, one at a time. >> thomas roberts, there in moore, oklahoma. thank you so much, tom. >>. >> reporter: absolutely. let's turn now to the white house where it was announced the president will travel to oklahoma on sunday, surveying the damage of mother nature even as his own administration fends off a political storm in washington. let's go to kristen welker who's live for us at the white house. kristen, mr. carney began his

briefing with news of the president's oklahoma trip. once again, we have the president playing this role of consoler in chief. but does this visit reinforce his pledge to provide whatever assets the region needs at this time? >> reporter: i think it does to some extent, martin. that will certainly be one of his key messages when he travels to the region. and we should say at this hour we are learning that according to fema, the agency has signed up 1,500 individuals for federal assistance. that is due to the president signing that disaster declaration on monday. so those efforts are ongoing. there are people on the ground signing people up as we speak. in terms of the president's visit, of course, it is about being consoler in chief. so he will be there surveying the damage, but also listening to the stories of those people who are still hurting and grieving. martin? >> now, the white house as you know, kristen, is also continuing to answer questions about the actions of the irs.

and its targeting of specific conservative groups. what is the baseline message in the face of today's hearing on capitol hill? what is the white house saying? >> reporter: well, a couple of points on that front, martin. for one, the white house's message hasn't really changed over the past several days. press secretary carney reiterated what he's been saying, which is that the president is determined to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and why and to prevent it from happening again. today he pointed out that the president has directed incoming irs commissioner to construct a 30-day review and figure out exactly what happened, then to report back to him. on the issue of lois lerner, though, who today pled the fifth, did not answer questions on capitol hill today about this, she, of course, oversaw the branch of the tax exempt division of the irs. carney wouldn't enter that fray. he wouldn't respond and wouldn't give the president's reaction to that as well. so sort of kept his distance from that. the other thing that i found

interesting, martin, carney was to some extent on the defense today acknowledging to some extent that information has come out and shifted a bit. from the white house he said, look, behind the scenes we're trying to answer reporters questions as they come at us. a lot of questions being asked, so we can't always answer them at the speed, i guess, that reporters would like. >> right. >> reporter: and carney basically saying, look, they are doing their best to keep up with that pace. however, it's also an acknowledgment that the white house has bungled its pr message on this one. a lot of critics saying that their message has shifted and changed over the past several days. >> right. and we will be focusing on that irs story in a moment. but before we leave you, kristen, mr. carney once again took his licks on the irs and other matters of the day. the briefing began with this moment. take a listen. >> first, happy birthday. >> you're very kind. thank you. 29 forever. >> so it was jay carney's

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as republicans flounder in their efforts to connect the irs scandal to the president, the storm moved today to the irs official who first disclosed the targeting of conservative groups. lois lerner who leads the irs's division on tax exempt organizations, told the house oversight committee that any claims she misled congress are p patently false. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations. and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. >> lerner then said she was following her lawyer's advice, invoking her fifth amendment right to avoid incriminating herself, and then left the hearing. leaving all the rancor in the room to fall on the bush appointed former head of the irs, doug shulman, who led the

agency when the targeting took place. and he found no quarter with either party. >> when you learned that there was a list, you did not nothing. you did nothing. you abdicated your responsibility. >> targeting of groups who came into existence because they opposed the affordable care act, and you never brought it up in any of those conversations in all those visits to the white house. >> what letter grade would you fwif yourself in your tenure? >> i'm not going to grade myself. >> you're the head of this agency and you're not asking questions? shame on you. >> they're screwed. some are still screwed today, is that correct? a term of art. >> a term of art, indeed. joining us from washington democratic strategist julian epstein. former house counsel and former staff director of the oversight committee. lehigh university professor james pettersso peterson. julian, as you know, republicans are champing at the bit to tie this irs mess to the president.

some are seizing on ms. lerner's pleading the fifth amendment as evidence of wrong doing. despite the problem with perception, i'm assuming that's the same advice a lawyer like you would give anything if you knew the fbi was conducting an investigation. >> you nailed it. that's exactly right, martin. the fundamental finding of the inspector general, which is that no one in the white house, nobody in the treasury department, nobody in the president's political operation knew of, directed or condoned any of the irs activities, that fundamental finding that be contradicted by nobody. in fact, that fundamental finding has been born out by all the witness testimony incloo colluding the bush appointed irs director. the reason lois lerner is invoking the fifth amendment is for a very, very narrow reason that applies only to lois lerner. she learned of this problem back in june of 2011. she briefed the congress in february of 2012, then again in march and april of 2012. sometimes orally and sometimes in written matter. in written manner.

chairman issa last week accused her of misrepresenting the facts in those briefings in early 2012. by accusing her of misrepresenting those folks, he's basically accusing her of committing a crime. so any lawyer would tell her once the chairman of a committee before which she is appearing has accused her of committing a crime, that she should invoke the fifth amendment. this in no way should be interpreted by anyone to mean that this controversy is deepening, expanding, or is somehow different from how we've otherwise understood it. >> congratulations to darrell issa there. professor peterson, at the hearing today, we heard members of congress try to tie the irs scandal to everything from the affordable care act to claims that mitt romney paid no taxes at one point. and white house spokesman jay carney reiterated the president's position this afternoon. take a listen to him. >> let me be clear. the president believes the activity here, the actions here, were wrong and inappropriate. he wants to get to the bottom of it. he wants people held responsible

if they are responsible. i think it's also clear, as others have reported, that there has been some attempt to politicize this. >> happy birthday, mr. carney. is that, perhaps, the understatement of the day, professor peterson? some have tried to politicize it? >> it absolutely is. putting this on tv means that we're going to have political theater in really high gear. if benghazi was some indirect way to get at hillary clinton, this irs so-called scandal is a way for them to get at obama care. even though when you look at the sort of interface between irs administrators and the imp lemation of the affordable care act, they're not central to that process. they're going to try to tie it to that just because that's politics. it's interesting, though, because you're talking about harry reid's comment about mitt romney. i really believe that if we really want to look at the irs, we should be looking at the tax code, looking at the status of 501-c4s, folks like mitt romney who are able to sort of maneuver or apple this week we learned was able to maneuver -- >> mitt romney, of course, paid

9% in tax. >> they're able to maneuver the tax code in a way that's very, very beneficial to them. but ultimately makes the american people sort of subsidize corporate america in ways i don't think we're always conscious of. i'd love to see us pivot around some of these issues and get to the core of what really matters here. but as long as they're talking about irs and obama care, you know that's pretty much political theater. >> gentlemen, i wish we had more time. we've got someone who's coming up in moore, in oklahoma. so julian epstein, professor james peterson, i'm afraid we have to cut it short. thank you, gentlemen, very much. coming up, seeking shelter from the storm. we'll take a closer look at the delicate politics of disaster relief, yjust coming up. [ female announcer ] doctors trust calcium plus vitamin d to support strong bones. and the brand most recommended by... my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal.

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it's now almost exactly 48 hours since that deadly tornado touched down in oklahoma and created an image of destruction and desolation. an early estimate on the damages announced today puts the financial cost of this storm in

excess of $2 billion. in a state that remembers all too well that tornado on may 3rd, 1999, and the difficult path of recovery. one person who'll be dealing intimately with that response is oklahoma representative tom cole. and he joins us now from moore, oklahoma. good afternoon, sir. >> martin, good afternoon to you. >> we learned earlier today that you yourself and your own home had been directly affected by this tornado. i have to ask, have they managed to get the power running at your home? >> they have. so, i mean, our impact has been minor. we lost power and water for a couple days and phone service. but when you're surrounded by people that have lost members of their families or their homes, everything they've worked for, their businesses, our inconvenience has been very, very minor. we've been very, very lucky compared to a lot of our friends and neighbors. >> that's good to hear. now, you obviously serve this

community and you're very proud of that community. but the issue of how to pay for the response to this disaster has already become something of heated debate on capitol hill. your senator from oklahoma, tom coburn, has said that he would like to pay for it by cutting other items in the budget. i'd like to play you senator mary landrieu of louisiana, who responded to that. just take a listen, sir. >> after a disaster, our citizens don't need or want a debate on funding. and i want to say this to senator coburn, my good friend, he's not on the floor. i do respect his consistency on this issue. even when this tornado hit his state, he's still calling for offsets. he has been consistent, but madam president, in my view, he's been consistently wrong. >> again, sir, i ask you this question respectfully, given the tragedy that is all around yourself where you stand at this very moment. but where do you fall on this

particular issue? >> well, first of all, it's a little premature to even raise the issue. the damage is horrific. but you have to remember, this is a disaster site about 17 miles long, a mile and a third wide. that's $2 billion worth of damage. but it's not covering multistates. there may well be enough money already appropriated for disaster relief to take care of all of our needs here without additional funds that, again, haven't been expended or haven't already been dedicated to this purpose. having said that, i voted for hurricane sandy relief, was proud to do so. i think, you know, now and then extraordinary disasters like sandy or katrina or the oklahoma city bmi inbombing happen. the most important thing is to get help immediately to the people affected. that's what we do as americans. so, you know, that's the way i approach it. but in this case i think probably we have a lot of people arguing prematurely over something -- an issue we may not have to deal with. but the end of the day i put the people first.

and i worry about the mechanism, if you will, secondly. >> yeah. and are you satisfied, sir, with the president and his response and the response of fema, fema director craig fugate? >> extremely. extremely pleased. i talked to the president two days ago, and, you know, he ticked through the things that were available and certainly told me, tom, i know you're going to be on ground, it's your home. if there's any problem, please call me directly. we've had director fugate here this afternoon and early -- earlier today. i toured part of the area with secretary napolitano. we've gotten tremendous help from fema. over 400 people on the ground. we're pretty good at this. this is our fourth tornado, so we have excellent local and state leadership. our governor, mary fallin, has done well. so you really see local officials and volunteers and state and federal officials working together seamlessly. and, you know, in a very, very professional manner. so i'm very satisfied with the

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as an issue. undocumented immigrants are going to be happy. also the companies that are going to benefit economically from what this potentially means. >> krystal, there's one man who's not going to be happy. because if this goes through the senate, then what tuz house speaker boehner do with this? and where does it put him? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. it's an incredibly difficult position for him. because on the one hand, he's at a high enough level that he sees the writing on the wall. republicans have to support some sort of immigration reform. or they will be relegated to the dust bin of history, basically. they will be a regional party with no national hopes. on the other hand, he has a lot of members who represent deeply red conservative districts whose base are not happy with this bill. and one thing, as excited as i am about it getting through this committee in the senate, the one thing that makes me very uncomfortable is initially we had momentum from these sort of right wing talking heads behind immigration reform. now we've seen people like laura

ingram come out and say we oppose the senate gang of eight bill. i think that makes it more difficult. even though they shouldn't have so much sway, that makes it more difficult for republicans in the house to be able to get behind this bill. >> i'm sure you're right. lily, in yesterday's committee hearing, senator ted cruz criticized the bill. i'm quoting him. he said, it is utterly toothless with respect to the border. utterly toothless. i thought part of the bill was further strengthening the border and this president over the last three years has actually increased spending in that area with more boots on the ground and more illegal, undocumented immigrants being returned. >> correct. that is one conservative voice that, guess what, all the others did see the writing on the wall and realized that there had to be some sort of compromise. actually there were some amendments that were related to increased security on the border. that did pass and are part of what now we see that it's going to the senate floor.

so it's one person. it's ironic when you see him and senator rubio's life stories that are very similar, yet their perspectives on the bills are quite different. but hopefully that doesn't permeate through the rest of the republicans that we are going to need support from. >> one of the may swror hejor h krystal, was the sacrifice senate democrats had to make by pulling the amendment that would have recognized same-sex couples. take a listen to senator leahy of vermont and what he said. >> i toedon't want to be the senator who asks americans to choose between the love of their life and love of their country. discriminating against a segment of americans, as if who they love is a travesty, is ripping many american families apart. >> do you think he rolled over too easily. >> i think his heart really was in this fight, and he just saw that there was absolutely no way it would be able to get through the committee and have a chance of passage in the senate with that amendment. and it is deeply unfortunate.

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i've never heard a roar like that before. oh, my god. dude, it just turned north! very large. heading into moore, oklahoma. >> i've never heard a roar like that before. the man who said that spoke not just for himself, but for an entire nation in horror at the destructive power of mother nature. and now the frightening question. are we destined to see more just like it in the future? let's ask jeffrey kluger of "time" magazine. he has a riveting article in the

latest issue which is devoted to this week's tragic weather event. thanks for coming in, wrjeff. this tornado came as a surprise to a lot of people. in your article you said the people at the national weather center in oklahoma knew pretty much both that it was coming and that it would be very destrictive. >> that's right. the piece principally authored by david, i sort of worked with him on this. >> very gracious of you. >> thatit has the benefit of be true, also. one of the points that we made is that these folks knew that this was coming. this came after a weekend in which hurricane -- in which a tornado had already hit. there had already been two deaths. they came into the tornado center that morning and said the conditions are in place for more of the same and troublingly, there were no conditions in the atmosphere that could counterbalance that. sometimes you see these bad conditions forming. but you also see countervailing conditions come in that will

temperate that. there was nothing. basically oklahoma was completely vulnerable to attack. >> as we saw. from your reporting, do you believe that these types of extreme weather events are going to become more frequent? >> well, extreme weather events will become more frequent and are becoming more frequent. but it is important to say that in the case of tornadoes, we do not have a global warming or climate change link yet. we have a global warming and climate change link to a whole lot of things. but this really does seem to be a case of weather not climate. now, some of the variables, some of the atmospheric moisture and wind shear and all of the other variables that go into forming a tornado are mediated by climate change. but in this case, a lot of those variables knock each other out. neutralize each other. we're dealing with weather here, not dealing with climate change. >> jeffrey kluger, thank you for your time. i would encourage viewers to read the piece.

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we have some breaking news for you now. law enforcement sources are telling nbc news that tamerlan tsarnaev, the boston bomber who was killed in a shootout with police, may also have been implicated in a triple homicide. this would be a serious revelation on what began with an fbi shooting of another person in florida. i want to bring in pete williams with the latest for us. pete, what can you tell us about these new revelations? >> martin, the other person ib ra him todashev. a mixed martial artist. new sttsarnaev from his time as boxer in a boston suburb. they were questioning him last

night. they say he had confessed to a role in a brutal murder in 2011. a prtriple homicide in which the men had their throats cuts. marijuana was sprinkled over their bodies and also cash. according to several officials, not only did todashev say he played a role in it, he also said tamerlan tsarnaev played a role in it, too. we also heard for the first time the possible motive that authorities believe was behind this attack. they say that it started out as an attempt to steal drugs from the three men in waltham, massachusetts. and that the attackers decided they didn't want to have any witnesses to the wobry, so th o they decided to kill them. >> this was a crime related to drugs and bore no relationship to any kind of act of terrorism? >> there's no suggestion by officials that this man in florida, ibrahim todashev was

involved in any way in the boston marathon bombing. they still say there's no indication the two suspects has any help from the u.s. this is an unsolved mystery, a notorious unsolved crime in the boston area in 2011. it's been an open secret since the bombing that authorities up there have been looking at whether tamerlan tsarnaev might have been involved in it. now they say this man that was shot and killed last night was preparing to sign a confession and had said just that. >> pete williams, justice correspondent with breaking news. this new information comes as the president under fire over benghazi, on the defense over drones, facing down a failure to close the prison at guantanamo bay, prepares to answer his critics and lay out his wide ranging counterterrorism policy in a speech on thursday. for more now, i'm joined by msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson with us from washington. professor, as if the president didn't have enough to worry about, this new boston report

and a stabbing attack linked to terror in london today only highlight the incredibly high stakes battle that's being waged against terrorism every single day. how does the president go about reminding americans of that fact and also answering his most vociferous critics? >> it's a great point, martin. because there's a balance between civil liberties and the right to know on one hand, and the security that the president thinks he is responsible for and, indeed, is of the american people on the other. people are quite antsy, however, about the targeting of american citizens. we know that attorney general eric holder just indicated that four americans since 2009 have been targeted and killed by drone attacks. and we know that at northwestern university last year, attorney general holder indicated that there were three criteria by which we were to judge whether or not drones against american citizens would be used. first of all, if there was a limited window of opportunity to

kill this particular person. secondly, if there was a grave possible threat that not killing them would represent. thirdly, that there would be a greater likelihood that an attack on the united states would occur should this attack not be executed. so the reality is that the president is in charge of protecting the american people and, of course, fighting terror. and his counterterrorism includes drones, but it also includes intelligence and diplomacy. what he'll have to do here is articulate a cohesive vision of his administration as to how they intend to use every means available to protect the american people without subverting the very principles upon which this nation rests. >> okay. of course, even as those on the right aim to depict the president as weak on terrorism, as you know, the president's critics on the left have been angry over the failure to close guantanamo bay. the heavy use of drones overseas. as you said, eric holder has just sent a letter to congress saying that four american citizens have, in fact, been killed in drone strikes since

2009. that appears to be a public disclosure of what we've known for some time ahead of the speech tomorrow. do you think it's been timed with that purpose in mind? >> well, sure. i mean, every means available to try to, of course, justify and legit mate what you've been up to. also to share reasonable amounts of information as the obama administration sees fit with the american people. but, of course, critics on the left and right have attacked him, as you've said, the right has indicated he's soft on terror. he's soft on so-called protecting the nation on the one hand. and the left has said, look, we've got to be very careful. you haven't closed guantanamo bay and you're wringing your hands about closing fwaun te ii bay, at the same time it's a rider on other legislation put forth you felt you had to sign. the reality is the president wants to close guantanamo bay. he wants to keep his word to congress that he will include them every step of the way as he tries to balance security and on the other hand the rights of american citizens. then ultimately, he's got to

make his point to the american people that he's not going out becoming a kind of colossal, global gun slinger, mowing down american citizens willy-nilly, but that there are prince iples that intervene upon even the obama administration to make sure they're abiding by international law and civility. >> how does he move forward the closure of guantanamo bay? because he's been in office for one term already. he's begun his second. and nothing's changed. we have a massive hunger strike ongoing. people allegedly, apparently, are close to death in that place. how does the president actually expedite his promise? >> well, he's got a gird up his lawn, so to speak. to use a biblical phrase. he's got to be steadfast. it's a horror and tragedy what's going on at gitmo right now. it only exacerbates the tensions internationally that prevail when people look at america and see what we're doing. we talk about terror. we talk about our borders being protected. we talk about the security of

our national state, so to speak. but we're not willing to live up to the very promises of due diligence when it comes to people who are being held at gitmo and often without any kind of legitimate basis to hold them. he's got to say, look, this is a matter of national security and law to close gitmo. not simply for perception's sake, but for the actual substance of the fact that adhering to the law, these people have not been proved to be wrong. they've got their day in court coming. we've got to otherwise dispense with this sham and travesty that represents gitmo. until he does that, anything he does ultimately about american security in terms of counterterrorism will be trumped by his inability to stand up and not only hold true to his word, but to hold true to american principles of justice and civility. >> professor michael eric dyson, as ever, thank you, sir. >> thank you, my friend. we'll be right back with more on the return of anthony weiner. [ female announcer ] doctors trust calcium plus vitamin d

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look, i made some big mistakes. and i know i let a lot of people down. >> and with that, former democratic congressman anthony weiner, who once represented new york, announced that he's now running to be mayor of this great city. and that brief admission refers, perhaps, to his biggest problem. a series of self-aggrandizing pictures, some of which focused on his magnificent torso. others lingering on the lower third of his anatomy. sent to various individuals via his personal facebook and twitter accounts. this form of digital exhibitionism is not particularly unique. and smartphones and other devices often tempt us to send things that we may live to regret. but what made matters so much worse is the way mr. weiner tried to wiggle his way out of it. >> am i allowed to say i wish? look, we don't know for sure.

the photograph doesn't look familiar to me. a lot of people who have been looking at this stuff on our behalf are cautioning me that stuff gets manipulated. stuff gets -- you know, you can -- you can change a photograph. you can manipulate a photograph. kr you can doctor a photograph. i don't want to say with certitude it maybe didn't start out being a photograph of mine and now looks something different. maybe something from another account that got sent to me. i can't say for sure. >> although mr. weiner was trying his best to obvy skate, it's clear he wasn't a good liar. 16 days later he tended his resignation. fast forward less that two years and mr. weiner now wants new yorkers to vote him back into office. one of the most famous political scandals in british history involved a former cabinet minister by the name of john profumo who was secretary of war. he began a sexual relationship with a woman called christine keeler in 1961.

unbeknown to him, ms. keeler was also having a sexual relationship with a russian naval atache who was working at the soviet embassy in london. you may have seen the film "scandal" based on christine keeler's memoir. >> you have never made love until you've made love in a gondola. >> as for mr. profumo, he initially denied the affair but then resigned from government two years later in 1963. and then he did something remarkable. this oxford educated former barrister and diplomat volunteered to clean the toilets at a charity in one of the poorest constituencies in east london. he would continue with janitorial fundraising duties at the same charity for the next 41 years. until he died in 2006. mr. profumo never gave any

interviews and never said a word about his experience. he simply allowed his life to speak for itself. and his reputation was completely restored. while nobody expects modern politicians to do what john profumo did, there may be a lesson here for anthony weiner. he certainly was too quick to text. and he may well be too quick to return. thanks so much for watching. chris matthews is next. peek-a-boo politics. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris math knews in washington. let me start tonight with this. there are two ways to look at this irs scandal. one is to blame it on the bureaucrats. the other is to blame it on the white house. someone through mind