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the importance of this speech comes into sharp focus considering what's happened in the last 24 hours or so. the justice department disclosed a letter that four u.s. citizens were killed by u.s. drones, including anwar al awlaki. a brutal attack on a british soldier in broad daylight on a london street. david cameron says terror was the motive. >> this country will be absolutely resolute in its stand against violent extremism and terror. we will never dwif in to terrorism or terror in any of its forms. let me warn you, this video is graphic. two men started stabbing the victim with several large knives. witnesses said he was decapitated. nbc news understands that the subject were under investigation in the past.
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the footage shows a man clutching a knife in his bloody hand and claims it was in real tags of british soldiers killing muslims. back with this bizarre twist of tamerlan tsarnaev. they believe he was involved in a triple murder a couple of years ago. i want to bring in a counterterrorism official. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> i want to start with the bigger picture and the changing face in the war on terror. we know since 9/11 it's been constantly a changing target. where are we now in this war and the president is reassessing how we protect ourselves? how different does that reassessment look? are we pushing the reset button, essentially? >> i think you're going to see the president talk about a counterterrorism strategy that reflects the success of the bush
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administration and continued in the obama administration against al qaeda, the organization that attacked us on 9/11. we've destroyed their ability to command and control, their ability for their infrastructure through the drone program. by a different type of network. he needs to articulate a strategy that reflects this changing and ee sovolving prep. >> fewer drone strikes, then what's plan b? it seems that your options are, for a terrorist abroad, you either kill them or arrest and detain them but if you're cutting back on strikes and taking away the gitmo option, where do you go? >> it's going to be a tool of last resort. i think what we're going to get to now because we don't have that top-heavy organization of
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al qaeda, the primary threat, the cooperation with other nations is absolutely the last priority. working with the yemenis, the pakistanis, with our western allies. the key, chris, is to use all of the tools to identify these individuals well before they are at the point of conducting their attacks and there may be cases where, once we identify them, we can't bring them to justice any other way. that's the weapon of last resort and i think that's what the president is going to say today. >> you and i have been having discussions since 9/11. i wonder if the biggest threat is the lone wolf. this london story is so bizarre. somebody walking down the street in the middle of the day and this happens? >> it's absolutely barbaric and almost impossible to prevent. so the threat is now the lone wolves but also some of the
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networked groups. so the group that has attempted to attack us twice in the last couple of years is the al qaeda affiliate in yemen. they are trying to attack the united states. those types of affiliates we've got to keep the pressure on but we've got to recognize the lone wolves, be it the boston bombing attacks or the officials in london. >> more to my point, roger, you've got to get to the psychology of this and who the likely suspects are. as we learn with tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev, tips come in over the course of years. what do you make of the fact, if he's involved in this triple murder, which seems to be drug-related. >> right. >> having nothing to do with terror per se, where does this fit into the big picture of how we figure out who these guys might be? >> this gets back to encountering violent extremism, as they begin the radicalization
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process, working with law enforcement to figure out who they are before they take that step to become operatives. >> so people who might already have a propensity to violence? >> you have a combination. some people who have a propensity, some may be jihad and local and domestic reasons and then they go to violence. that's what makes it so difficult. you can have the best intelligence in the world but if you have individuals who are not communicating, not on the internet, not traveling, real tough for law enforcement to identify them early. >> roger, good to see you. thank you. >> you too, chris. i want to bring in the florida senator for investigative reporting and also author of "the terror factory," inside the fbi's manufactured war on terrorism. >> thank you for having me. >> you write that the fbi spent $3.3 billion on counterterrorism, running operations against would of be
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terrorists. you say it's not all that effective. why not? >> the fbi is catching terrorists through sting operations. the people that they are catching don't have the propensity for violence and no connections to al qaeda and the agent induces them to move forward in their crime. in the decade after 9/11, 150 were caught in sting operations, they wouldn't have been able to commit their crime without the fbi pro i had vviding the means opportunity. they are missing nadan hasan and tsarnaev deemed not a threat to let him go only to find a year later that he dropped bombs at the boston marathon. >> in tsarnaev, was it so
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obvious? from people i've heard in that community, look, there are literally thousands of threats coming in like this and you make these assessments and our assessment showed there was not only necessary imminent danger, they had no legal way to move forward with the surveillance. >> that's what the fbi has said in tsarnaev's case. let me give you an example of what happened in january 2011 in boston. that's when the russian government came to the cia and fbi and said they were concerned about tsarnaev. they investigated him, looked at his internet history and deemed he wasn't a threat. at the same time, an fbi informant who was a heroin addict came to them with another man who said he wanted to fly a remote-controlled airplane into the u.s. capitol and destroy the gold dome. it was a fantastical plot but had no means to move forward, no
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money, no connections to international terrorists at all. instead of pursing tsarnaev, the fbi conducted a nine-month sting on this man to give him the money to scout out locations to launch his weapon and then in the final stage they gave him all of the explosives he needed, everything he needed for his plan and then arrested him. and in a case like that -- >> but do you think they would have looked at a guy like tsarnaev and said, here's a guy with money and the means? he certainly didn't have a lot of money. he certainly didn't have a big track record. so i'm not sure exactly what, you know -- >> unlike many people caught in the sting operations, tsarnaev came to the fbi connection through a legitimate source, the russian government. there was evidence to suggest that he was traveling to chechnya and dagestan areas where militant extremists are active and there were better
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reasons to believe that he might be involved than someone like this other man or many other people caught in the sting operations. what's becoming clear is that the fbi is finding people who will commit acts of terrorism when given the means by the fbi. they are economically desperate and mentally ill. >> and your investigative reporting showing the challenge, the real challenge facing the u.s. anti-terror community and the president as he gets ready to give this speech. trevor, thank you for being with us. >> of course. thank you. let me bring in e.j. dionne and lois romano. first terrorism speech by the president in his second term, e.j. why this, why now? >> i think he's been working on this for a long time. this is a big deal speech.
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at first, as he's renewing his efforts to close guantanamo, he had himself severely restricted by congress in his efforts to close it and then he basically gave up, put the issue on the shelf. i think he's going to announce release of more than half of the guantanamo detainees over time and he's going to say, look, some of these detainees that have been released under president bush and obama have returned to terrorism but the existence of guantanamo is a much bigger threat to us because it's a recruiting tool. i think he's going to try to put some restrictions on his own ability to use drones. and he's going to move the drone program to the military where it belongs. my hunch is that the civil libertarians will be happy about some of the moves in this speech but it won't go far enough for them. i think others on the other side, national security hawks, the neoconservatives are going
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to be happy that he's making these restrictions but that's the line that he's trying to make today. >> let's look at them one by one. let's start with guantanamo bay. he pledged this the first time he ran. again, to the question of why now, was he pushed by the 100 prisoners or so there who are on hunger strikes? >> i think it just came to another boiling point. he ran on this in 2008 and if you recall when he came into office, there was a lot of turmoil in the office, his counsel was pushing to close guantanamo. he set a date that they couldn't meet and it ended up being a bad political tar baby for him. so this has always been a real issue. it costs $140 million to maintain this. the pentagon just asked for $450 million to upgrade it. it's not meant to be a permanent prison. it was always meant to be a temporary. so i think, yes, the hunger
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strike has brought it into focus. the president himself said, i don't want these people to die. then he's got a real mess on his hands. what you're going to hear today, i agree with e.j., they are going to tell us that they are relocating some of these people. they are working on that right now they are working on yemen, afghanistan. they had a lot of pushback when they tried to suggest u.s. prisons. that is not going to happen. for him, he's going to try to build a very logical case why this has to happen finally. >> when you look at both obviously, as you point out, some level of risk associated with them, e.j., but when you look at that cost benefit analysis in very real terms, is a big part of it, and i'm talking about both the drone program and gitmo, the goodwill that we might get in some countries where this was being used as recruiting tools. >> i think that's absolutely right. guantanamo has become such a powerful symbol that whatever security you gain out of it doesn't outweigh the costs to
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the united states. and similarly, on the drone program, you do make a lot of enemies with this program. it does end up killing some innocent people. and when that happens, people whose goodwill we are courting is not going to give us much goodwill. with the drones, he's still going to reserve his right to use drones but he's going to say this shouldn't be a sweeping right. it's almost like as a country, you know, our policy got addicted to using drones because they were soldiers were not in the field. this brings is to a new level. and so it's a deep philosophical question. >> and one that paul is introducing legislation that requires the government to get a warrant before it use as drone to collect evidence or surveil
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americans. is this going anywhere? >> i don't know where it's going but it seems to me a bit implausible to get a warrant before you do it because when you're in the heat of battle, it becomes quite difficult. the president needed to address this, he needed to address the changing landscape. what he's saying is let's be more transparent. >> lois romano,le thank you. the president is speaking later on today. thank you both so much. >> thank you. thanks for your work in oklahoma. >> speaking of oklahoma, the first funeral is being held today after the deadly tornado in moore. one of seven children that lost their lives at plaza towers elementary. antonia and her best friend were found together holding hands. president obama will travel to moore on sunday to get a
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firsthand look at the devastation. officials now estimate 13,000 homes were either damaged or destroyed. we'll get a live report from craig melvin in our next hour. nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? summer's here, so are the savings. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. get memorial day savings, like 4 bags of miracle-gro® garden soil for just $10. otherworldly things. but there are some things i've never seen before. this ge jet engine can understand 5,000 data samples per second. which is good for business. because planes use less fuel, spend less time on the ground and more time in the air. suddenly, faraway places don't seem so...far away.
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colorado's governor has unexpectedly reignited the death penalty debate after his stunning debate to delay the execution of the convicted killer. after wrestling with the decision for a year, he has strong misgivings about capital punishment. >> is it just and moral to take a person's life? is it a benefit to the world? if the state of colorado is going to have to take the responsibility of he can cuting
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someone, the execution should be flawless. >> the governor, by refusing to make any hard decisions today, whether in carrying out a sentence or granting clemency, has only guaranteed continued suffering and delayed justice for the victims' loved ones for years to come. >> i want to bring in charlie rangel from new york. >> hi, chris. >> let me get your reaction to what governor hickimlooper, where republicans are sure to use this as a campaign issue next year. >> i can never get my arms around it, taking of a human life, except in self-defense. i think the governor said it all, it's immoral.
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they decide to do it, looking to see where it make it is any more acceptable. fortunately, our country is moving away from this type of thing and causing pain in other peoples' families. >> part of what the discussion is now, studies on the application of the death penalty. one report found that in 96% of the states where there have been reviews of race and death penalty, there was a pattern of either judges and jurors perceive defendants who have the physical traits that are stereotypical associated with
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african-americans, such as broad nose or big lips, they were twice as likely to be sentenced to death. >> yes. in connecticut they had a study and showed it was three times as much and it's very high even for poor whites. poor people have a hard time in the criminal justice system. if you're talking about a long, expensive trial more often than not, to plead guilty in order to avoid taking their life, and in large part because she wants a life sentence instead of being executed. i don't think anyone can challenge the fact that if you've been found -- if you plead guilty to avoid the
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penalty, it's irreparable. >> to deny justice to the victims' family, when it comes to death row inmates, 43% of people on death row are white. 42% are black, 12% are latino and so their argument is what's -- you know, what's the argument? what would you say to that? >> well, i could say that someone who has suffered the pain of losing a loved one may be entitled to be irrational about the person who has committed it. you know, every criminal case that we have is the people against the defendant. and that means it's the people, it's society that is making the decision and i don't think society can be just and fear in
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adjusting someone's life. it may be induced to confess. i don't think that that really represents the people of our states or our country, for that matter. >> anthony weiner was out campaigning. we know he's running for mayor. do you support his run? >> only to the extent that only in america can we do these types of things. sanford did it in carolina and anthony weiner. i think he would not be able to live with himself. >> you don't think he's going to win? >> no, i don't think so. >> charles rangel, thank you. it's always good to have you on the program. >> thank you so much. >> today is expected to be a big day in the boy scouts of
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care benefits before tomorrow's self-imposed deadline. it appears to be a make or break deadline in immigration planning who do not want illegal immigrants to be covered on the health care reform law. arguably the hispanic assembly. good morning. >> good morning. >> last weekend the house group announced they had a tentative agreement. what happened? >> why wouldn't the house republicans be looking for one more opportunity to add in the affordable care act and to have more conversations about it, more votes on it? let's not forget they've had 37 votes to repeal the affordable care act. as the issue starts moving forward, we've had trouble on the smaller bills and as she points out, it's no secret that
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republicans have some fierce opposition to obama and is there an immigration bill because of it? >> no. i think frankly the problem is with the democratic side. the negotiators went in to negotiations with the team of in the house of representatives to strike a deal and they thought they had a deal. the democratic leadership stepped in and said they had some concerns about it. look, the reality is that the momentum is coming out of the senate committee. there was over 70% that passed in the committee. we hope to get 70 votes in the full floor of the senate. the momentum comes over to the house but there's any number of things that could derail it. the high-tech issues, gay and lesbian couples and path to citizenship. it's not necessarily a slam dunk but i think the momentum will get something passed in the house. >> emily, to the initial point, john carter, a member of this group, was quoted as saying that the blame lies with javier and a
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meddling democratic leadership. any truth to that? >> you know, it's interesting as danny points out, the momentum is going to have to come from the middle because there are a number of issues that could potentially drill. one of the things that we saw in the senate, as the bill went from the committee to -- as it got reported out of the committee, is that one of the big losses in the committee for the left of the advocates was the loss of same-sex marriage recognition. so it does really in a sense, the lgbt advocates versus the immigration advocates. they have done this dance before. if you recall, the 2010 defense bill, everyone knew there was an amendment coming to repeal don't ask, don't tell. and then an amendment was added for the dream act. so the advocates have been here before. it's a delicate balance between the two. it's going to be interesting to see if the momentum is still there on the left to move the
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bill forward. >> it's interesting, when you look at the lgbt issue. patrick leahy polled it because he didn't want it to cost key republicans, including marco rubio. the bill is ready to go to the senate, danny. at what point -- is it 50 votes, 70 votes, is there so much pressure on house republicans that it changes it over there? >> if we can get 70 votes in the senate, i think the momentum is to get something done in the house. but the reality is, both sides are going to have to give something. both sides have to see what their version of perfect cannot be the enemy of good. both sides are going to have to give. we've talked about what the democrats are going to have to give. i think republicans are going to have to give in terms of what they see as perfect border security. what they see as a reduction in the threshold for citizenship. both sides are going to have to give a little bit to pass something that is good, that
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moves the process forward. i think 70 votes is going to make that happen. and then we're going to have to see what happens after the house passes something. >> at this point, knowing what you know, danny, is this going to happen? >> i certainly hope it's going to happen. i really do. in my gut i think it's going to p ha. i think by the summer we'll see where the momentum is moving towards. the senate is going to vote in june. the house will take it up and i'm hoping that by the -- by the end of summer, beginning of the fall, we'll have something passed for signature. >> emily, is he right? >> i actually agree with danny. i think we'll see movement on this bill. congress is fighting against the idea that they don't do anything. it's really close. they really want it. >> emily, danny, thank you. >> thank you so much. checking the news feed, what is going on with the jodi arias jury? yesterday they told the judge they are unable to reach a
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decision on the sentence. rahm emanuel's plan to close 49 schools will allow the district to better hand out resources. but he could take a hit politically. the teacher's union vowing to use voter anger over the closings to block emanuel's re-election. there are two federal lawsuits pending as well. teen birth rates have dropped by 30% over the past five years. the new cdc report shows the biggest decline in birth rates is among hispanic teens, about 40% in half of the states. public service messaging aimed at teens and the economic recession is all part of this drop. well, this is a comic book worth $100,000. here's the great story behind it. david gonzales bought this fixer upper house for $10,000.
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this "action comics" was being used as paper for insulation inside a wall. it was superman's first appearance and is now up for auction online. even with a torn cover it's worth more than $113,000 so far. not bad $10,000 investment. more people are expected to stay home this memorial day weekend. michelle ka rus michelle ka caruso-cabrera is here. >> yes. 34.8 million people are going to travel this year. that's down from last year. not because fewer people are driving, but because fewer people are flying. the number of people flying has dropped pretty significantly, down 8% to only 2.3 million. they are tired of the fee, uncertainty about the economy. remember, we have the social security payroll tax that came
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back into effect that's probably pinched some people. actually, the number of people driving is slightly higher than last year. just not enough to offset the lack of flyers. >> meantime, we're asking the question, as we're thinking about a nice holiday weekend, what's really in that drink? and we're actually expecting to hear from the attorney general of new jersey in the next hour. they did an investigation and some bars were pulling a booze bait and switch. >> i think they watched boardwalk empire and were inspired by nooky thompson. what they found is that in the really expensive bottle of whiskey or whatever, they actually put a cheaper version of the liquor in there and sold it at a premium price. they have 100 agents to catch people doing these things. if you take a sip and it didn't taste as good as you thought, maybe that's why. >> you're assuming, of course, that i would ever order premium liquor.
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direction. >> will it change the culture if they allow this to happen? also an instructor at west point, a former army specialist, who testified before congress about her rate while serving in the military. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> let me start with what happened at west point. we're talking about a decorated combat veteran with a bronze star in iraq accused of taping at least a dozen women. >> as stockbrokers will tell you, past returns are no predictor of future performance and no matter how hard you try, once in a while a bad apple will get through and there's no accounting for stupidity. obviously he's an idiot. that's all i can say. >> how does something like this happen? >> a lack of supervision, a lack
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of command emphasis. sometimes you get really complacent. it doesn't matter how much. the chain of command pounds on the table. >> it is part of a big question and the culture military. >> there's no response and there's no accountability for these kinds of rates of crimes. it allows the culture to continue. >> tell us about the culture that you think contributes to this. >> well, i think this culture has been ongoing for a while and what is happening now and this sergeant, he has had this type
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of behavior in the past. i'm seeing from posts on the web, this was his type of behavior that's just coming to the surface now, probably because of all of the media and attention. it's taking media and attention to get this up and out and not the military chain of command. >> yeah, why is that? because we've been hear, when these cases come up over the years, and the majority of them are not even reported, that people are afraid of repercussions. they always say it's terrible, it can't happen, shouldn't happen and yet the numbers keep going up. >> well, a close society like the military that polices itself, it's extremely easy to fall into a situation in which commanders and subboaordinates l it's too late. people don't supervise people and so on. what has to change and what is going to change is the attitude of the higher level people that actually make things happen. you see, the secretary of
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defense probably incensed and the guy who is really annoyed about this more than anybody because he thought he had a handle on it was ray owed scenario. i think p command emphasis is what you're going to get now. >> do you think that will be a big step toward this? i mean, one of the proposals that we just saw was announced a few minutes ago, that even for the first charge, if you're found to have sexually assaulted someone, you were dishonorably discharged, no ifs, and, or buts, no going up the chain. but the most important question is, how do you stop it? >> well, you don't let sexual offenders in the military in the first place. i mean, that's one way to stop
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it. and then, again, with the prosecution portion of it, you make sure that they don't continue to have this behavior so you get rid of them, get them out of the military as quickly as possible. but you still have to have them on the national sex offender registry. you can't just let them out into civilian population where the civilian population doesn't know. >> all that's true and i would add one more thing. commanders have to recognize that they are responsible for everything that happens or fails to happen in the units and that includes the personal behavior and the living styles of the people who work for the commanders at all levels, need to make sure that they are as close to the troops. >> colonel jack jacobs and
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we just got these new numbers from the oklahoma governor's office. the number of injured has increased to 377. they are dealing with more severe weather as the community holds the first funeral for one of the young victims. antonia was killed at the plaza towers elementary school which did not have an emergency shelter. craig, we're learning heartbreaking details about that little girl. >> reporter: we really are,
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chris jansing. we learned a few hours ago that the little girl that you mentioned there, 9 years old, a third grader. apparently she died holding her friend, another 9-year-old third grader named emily at plaza towers elementary. we learned that a few hours ago. you mentioned the weather here. the weather here in moore, oklahoma. at one point there was a flash flood warning. it's been raining nonstop. there have not been as many folks sifting through the debris. not as many business owners that we saw yesterday going through their homes and businesses. but we did spend some time yesterday taking a look at one place and, quite frankly, chris, it took us a while to figure out what it was. >> so when we saw this scene, it took us a while to figure out precisely what used to be here. check it out, you can actually see some of the folks who used to work here surveying the
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damage. there's the ball return machine, there's the automatic scorer's table, there's a bowling ball. this was mf moore lanes. this was the neighborhood bowling alley. and there's the backside of that bowling alley, chris jansing. again, between 12 and 13,000 homes and businesses either damaged or destroyed here in moore. >> nbc's craig melvin on the scene there. thank you so much. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." i'm chris jansing. richard lui is in for thomas roberts. good morning. >> thanks again, chris. coming y coming up, president obama is hours away from his speech on terrorism. michael isikoff will join us in a bit. another scandal in the ranks. this time at west point. allegations of hidden cameras in
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a brutal attack near a military base in london being called an act of terror just hours from when president obama will speak about terror. ahead of the president's speech, his administration revealing publicly for the first time that four americans have been killed in secret drone strikes overseas. attorney general eric holder saying in a letter to congress, at least one of those killed, quote, posed a continuing and imminent threat of violent attacks. the president is expected to reveal more on the government's secretive drone program to call for more transparency. also, closing guantanamo bay, something that he has pledged to
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