good evening americans. welcome to live in new york. let's get to work. >> we need -- >> there is an unparalleled relentless atrack on public education to health care. >> did you know that your pension is just too bad. >> don't tell me, don't tell me. the party of education and choice. >> you teachers with you never worked a day in your life. >> yes know no now that closing school -- >> those are krour heros protecting our kids. we entrust them every day.

we have a teacher, numerous tales of teachers hiding kids in closets. when i say you're the most important people on the planet, that's what the hell i'm talking about. >> it's impossible to speak to truth to the teach ear union. >> i love teep teachers. >> in our schools we can hire and fire based on merit. >> i love teachers but want to get the private sector growing. >> i think we all love teachers. >> everybody loves teachers. thanks for joining us. irt was a devastating week were the citizens of moore oklahoma. as a viewer it was tough to watch. they are still recovering from these powerful ef-5 tornado that ripped through their town again on monday. but during this horrible tragedy stories of heroism have emerged from everyday citizens and resident, first responders and most importantly in the conversation, those who were

there in those schools, public schoolteachers. two elementary schools were destroyed by this mile wide tornado but thankfully teachers put themselves in harms way to protect their students. we've heard that story before. so the conservative news media has taken it upon themselves to quickly brand them as heros. i have to throw the flag on that one for just a moment. hold it a moment. they're heros. i don't want to hearing anything about teachers being called heros until these same people stand up for them and fight for our public schools and our public schoolteachers, our educators because they are under attack all over america. and unfortunately this story isn't getting enough attention so i'm here to tell you to real story. it shouldn't really take a school shooting or a tornado across this country for us to realize that there are heros in

classrooms every day in every school across america. but when it comes time to talk about their pay or a better health care or thaur pension or even protecting their pension, whoa, we don't hear any hero talk then do we? they're a bunch of you onthugs. they're a bunch of underachieve underachievers. people you think would never step up during a disaster and save a child's life. no they're only heros when they do that. a white house report shows that 300,000 education jobs have been cut since 2009, 300,000. is that going forward or backward you think? the republican budget cuts is what they are. along with the recession no doubt it has created a tox ij environment for teachers in their profession. and right now ground zero you could say is chicago, the chicago public schools are ground zero. the battle to protect our teacher es and save an american institution. this week the mayor hand picks

the chicago school board voted to close 50 schools. it is the largest round of school closures ever to hit this country. there is no denying that the closings hurt poor african-american neighborhoods and african-american kids. now, the chicago sun times reported that nine out of ten students affected by these closings are black. now, these cloe closures obviously sparked a massive protest throughout the city of chicago this week. one nine-year-old student at a rally had no problem giving the mayor a piece of his mind. >> rob emmanuelle thinks we can just come into our schools and move all our kids, all over and they're saying we can -- let's take this out. we don't care about these kids.

but they need safety. rob emmanuelle is not caring about our schools. he's not caring about our safety. he only cares about what he needs. he do not care about nobody else but himself. you should be supporting these schools, not closing them. this is racism right here. this is racism. we are black and we are proud. we are white and we are proud. no matter what the color is, no matter if you're asian, chinese, it doesn't matter. you should not be closing these schools without walking into them, seeing what is happening in these schools.

>> well, he got the attention of mayor rob emmanuelle. his school avoided closure at the very last minute but 50 other schools weren't so lucky. here's a map of chicago showing the schools being shut down. the majority of these schools are in neighborhoods with high poverty rates. these neighborhoods are being dealt another major blow with school closures. there is no doubt that parts of chicago are testify natali dangerous but it seems to me they have a security problem and they're blaming public education. a nine-year-old kid has to stand up and tell the mayor what he has to know and what the community knows all along? in 2012, 600 people were shot, 532 were murdered. and these school closures, i think they could drive the numbers aechb higher. the nine-year-old also pointed out how moving kids to new schools could be pretty

dangerous. if you close gar vi and some other schools, if they go behind gang lines then you're in danger for yourself. that's what he was doing. he was setting danger for all of the children. you say you're trying to protect the children but you're sending them behind gang lines because some kids have to walk. >> you got that folks? a nine-year-old kid knows what's going on in chicago. now, i remember the go said not every kid is going to make it. the president spoke at a black college last weekend and talked about leadership and talked about setting and example. what example does it send, what example does it set, what message does it send when you say that some kids just aren't going to make it? was he talking about that nine-year-old kid? you see, these school closures are literally endangering kids lives. students could be forced to

cross gang territories during their commute to school. meanwhile, it's not just chicago. pay attention to this. public schools all over the country are under attack. let's go to wisconsin where governor scott walker has been going off public education since day one. on thursday he spoke. >> in our schools we can hire and fire based on merit, we can pay based on performance. we the put the best and the brightest in our classrooms and afford to keep them. >> don't let them fool you. he's cut over $800 million from public education in wisconsin and he's pushing a vouch every program to funnel more public money to the private school. how about new jersey. governor chris christie has activity fought the teacher's union and made it harder for

teacher to gain tenure. np louisiana governor overhauled school funding with a brand new voucher program. luckily it cousin ruled unconstitutional. in indiana let's not forget slick mitch daniels. he put in place the large egs voucher program every. in michigan it was governor rick snyder. he created the emergency city manager's position who really can just wipe out schools with executive order. this is also been such a collective effort on these folks. of course snyder has been pushing these vouchers as well. i have to ask you tonight, folks. what do all of these governors have in common? they are republicans. they want to voucher health care

and public education. they don't mind if some kids fail. surgeon currently 13 states have some form of a voucher program. these voucher es it's aegs conservative plot to privatize education. it will funnel public education funds right into private school. why? because these people think it's going to be better? it's fun care, racist and in some courts it's been ruled unconstitutional. so when i start hearing all this talk about heros, the teachers are heros at shooting, heros at tornados, no they're heros every damn day because they're putting up with an it'sology that is attacking them. there used to be a time in this country twhen school was the focal point of the community. it was a sense of pride. it was where you could go and feel good about being there because everybody had a common goal. now it seems like we're at each

other's throats because politicians have created this environment of confrontation that teachers aren't good enough, that they get paid too much, that their pension is too high. let's cut a bunch of them and we'll come up with some new criteria. in america if you want to be an expert on education all you have to do is get elected governor. none of these folks have spent a day in the clam but now they're automatic experts. i just want to know if rob emmanuelle thought that nine-year-old kid was one of the kids that should fall by the wayside. was that one you would have selected or not selected, ron. american education is the foundation of this country's great rns when we start picking and choods kids, neighbors and start picking and choosing based on race, socioeconomic situations, we lose.

we lose as a country. there is an organization called the bradley foundation which is, i think, behind all of this. they want to privatize everything. they want to kill public education in america and they're helping these governors do just that in their states. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. to nath's question do you think politicians really respect public educators fex a for yes, text b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more on the bradley foundation one one of my friends who has researched this frr the nation magazine journal nis john nickels. john, good to have you with us tonight. >> great to be with you, ed. >> what's behind the republican push for voucher programs that that think this is going to be the key to providing to the kids

in this country. >> understand one important factor here np the republican party didn't always oppose public education. in fact historically republican governors were the biggest backers of public schools. but one of the things we've seen in the last couple of decades is an assault on teachers themselves. by a lot of political forces that seem to believe that teachers are too dominant, too strong a force in our politics. and this is the interesting dynamic. you, when you see a tax on public education, when you see a tax on teachers, you really seeing an attack on what is public. that which is our public infrastructure, those things that we do together to that work well. and i think that one of the great challenges right now is that it has become very politically viable because --

>> to go after them. it's politically viable to go after them because they don't want to pay for it. >> that's right. >> think teachers are robbing the state treasury. there's an easy target here and it's too full. they can go after the political machine which teachers have had to become to save their profession. but the teachers in the unions and out protesting, they care about the kids in the classroom. they're protecting the resources that need to be in that classroom. and you've got the school of thought dished out by the governors that i pointed out. they think that we can get rid of teachers who don't fall in line and see their privatization view and that some kids just aren't going to make it. and the bradley foundation is behind this, are they not. >> they're one of many groups. one thing to understand is that there is a network of groups across this country funded by very wealthy people in states, you know all of the states you've mentioned, in wisconsin,

michigan, indiana and also working in chicago trying to argue that there's a one size fits all fix for the concerns we have as regards education. the trouble with all of these groups is that they produce quote unquote solutions that come from on high, that are formulated by a lot of wealthy people who aren't particularly big fans of taxes. >> i want to get to the money. >> public sector. >> i want to get to the money. the bradley foundation is being funded by wealthy people who do not want every kid in this country to have the exact same opportunity. that is what's happening in this country. would you counter that or is that right? >> well i think the bradley foundation is a group that does a lot of research and in fact puts ideas out there and some of those ideas are viable and very worthy of consideration. but where the challenge comes is that you see this get linked into politics. to give you an example, in the

wisconsin one you had the recall elections in 2011, in 2012. a huge portion of the funding from very wealthy donors out wisconsin for scott walker came from people that are tides into these education debates. you have to ask yourself is that a healthy scenario in indiana, wisconsin if this money is coming from outside? >> it's not because they're picking and choosing neighborhoods, they're picking and choosing kids. they have a failed philosophy. they want to change america is what they want to do. john nichols good to have you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen and share your thought on twitter and own facebook. we want to know what you think. while you have your cell phones out tonight, i want you to text red cross 9 0 t999 to make a

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>> you know here at e"the ed show" we want to know what you think and every week we check out facebook, twitter and our blog. so now you decided and we are reporting. here are this week's top trenders voted only by you. after with drawing from public life weiner is ready to stick it

back in. >> take a look, tell me what you think. >> our number three trender, anthony weiner is in. >> i'm running for mayor. the former sex addict turned family man wants to lengthen his political résume. i made some big mistake. >> he had thought long an hard about this. >> i've learned some tough lessons. >> they'll provide some stiff competition. >> the number two trender, john mccain lets lose of tea party troublemakers with. arizona senior citizen schooled mike lee own how congress does business. >> maybe the senator from utah ought to learn a little bit more about how business has been done in the congress of the united states. >> did you hear me, i said get off my lawn now. >> and this week's top trender, apple is at the core of the real irs scandal. >> apple ceo was called in to face the wrath of senators wondering how apple had avoided

paying taxes on $44 billion in income. >> apple ceo tim cook got a warm reception from the senate. >> i love apple. ♪ you are the apple of my eye >> i think the committee should apologize to apple. >> why the hell vi to keep updating the ap apps on my ix phone all the time. >> did you hear me, i said get off my lawn now. >> joining me now, congressman. it sounds like the republicans are a flat out protection organization for consideration corporations that think they've hired so many people they shouldn't paying any taxes at all. >> they're going to do it as long as the american people don't hold him accountable. but i think americans all over the country are really started to get animated. two thirds of all american

corporations don't pay me taxes. apple is fight for the right to not pay taxes, but ade ge, boeing. the one third that do pay, they're shouldering the burden for the rest of the corporate sector. u's not fair to them. if u you're a coffee shop or a small manufacturing business you may have to pay all of your taxes because you don't have a lobby yis to get outout of them like apple and some of the other ones do. >> we have the republicans on capital hill, apologize to corporations because they have a lot of employees and have some success. they want to rewrite the tax code further in their favor. here's what he said after rand paul said it should be apologizing to apple. >> the subcommittee is investigating the tax code that is not working for the american people, not working for businesses in this country where some businesses decide how many

taxes they're going to pay, how many they won't, what they're going to leave offshore in terms of arrangements. >> congressman what's your response to that. it reminds me of when they apologized to bp when they ruined the gulf in the oil. it's kind of a trend with my friends on the other side of the aisle. i mean, but you know what? the american people got to point out to them, you know taxes are not a punishment. taxes are the dues we pay to live in a civilized society. you want to make sure we have deseent infrastructure -- boy the way we had had a bridge fall just the other day. there's going to have to be some taxes paid and it should be fair. and companies like apple and ge and all the rest of them should pay their fair share. we have and effective corporate tax rate that is actually pretty

low. nobody pays all those taxes. but owe what? we need to have more people, more corporations paying their fair share so that working people and middle class people don't have to pay as much. >> the republicans are saying we are vilifying apple, we're vilifying anybody who questions this is after capitalism, is after suck says we should appease them because they've had so much success. bottom line is our tax code isn't working wur 0 treasure is short. >> of course not. >> fair share in the minds of the american people. this is the lift of congress right now at least on the democratic side to kpemp fie in what fairness is and move the public to forcing politician to change the tax code. will it happen? >> well, you know, ed, at a time when thaer cutting meals on heels, we're cutting head start,

it seems to me only fair that apple would step up and help fund the country that has made it possible for them to be successful in the first place. apple wouldn't be a multibillion dollar corporation but for the fact that the united states of america made it possible for them to be that successful. it seemgs to me they ought to want to help to pay the expenses of this country so that everybody can have a fair shot. i think it's really disappointing that they don't. >> there's a moral equation here. what's morally right to massage the tax code through supporting politicians who are going to have our back or to do your fair share oun the country that has given you the opportunity to be so successful. congressman, keith elson, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it so much. the tornado in moore, oklahoma left thousands displaced.

the rap lid response team weighs in on this and much more ahead. president obama talks tough on drones. we have reax to that and some con men tear. but next i'm taking your questions, ask ed live is just ahead. stay tuned. ♪

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infrastructure repair. >> i give you a number. 30 million people would have to be affected by the house gop would even talk about it because they have voted down obama care. a lot of the people are going to die thauz they don't have health insurance, so they go broke and they die. so when you start talking about bridges, the republicans will make sure they don't cross them. i don't think the republican party has any awareness of the seriousness of what is happening to our infrastructure in the country. flat out, they don't give a damn. i'll just throw a number up there. 30 million. >> our next questions comments from debbie roy. do you think zot walker will run for president in 2016? oh my lord we could only be so lucky. i hope he does.

he's got a huge ego and he is well connected with people of the flock who hate unions. so he has set the table as a guy who is willing to say anything and do anything to go after workers. that's going to bring a lot of money to him. i to think he is going to run and i'm going to have a lot of fun with it. stick around. rapid response panel is next. [ male announcer ] this is kevin.

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when a disaster occurs in america and 0 emotions are high,

everybody all of the sudden wants to pour money on them. so we're setting with this tremendous debt. >> i have to ask the question as it gets closer and closer to christmas, why are we here? >> we're setting with tremendous deficits. >> it's a disaster wib understand that people lost their lives and their property but nonetheless we don't know. >> what i'm offering offering isn't necessarily going to be beneficial for my state. >> that was back in december when the local senators voted against $60 billion hurricane relief sandy. voted against it. too much pork in there. enhof called the bill a slush fund. victims of the storm waited months before aid was finally approved. this week moore, oklahoma is desperate for aid after experiencing one of the worst tornado in history. when it was other people's problem enhof didn't support disaster aid but when it happens

in oklahoma, that's totally different. >> that was totally different. they were getting things, for instance, that was supposed to be in new jersey. they had things in the virgin islands, putting roofs ons houses in washington, d.c. everybody was getting in and exploiting the tragedy that took place. that won't happen in oklahoma. >> that's because there was storm damage in the places that you just mentioned, senator tore. in 2007 they voted against legislation to fund fema when it was set to run out of money. you see, they want to starve the government. at the time coburn said funding fema would be unconscionable. on tuesday the senator assured oklahomans that any and all aid will be delivered without delay just as long as there are offsets. >> it's not about not helping people who have a need. it's about helping the people who have a need and not hurting the rest of us. >> we certainly want to hurt

anybody else. we certainly are americans who we don't want the take the shirt off our back anywhere. that's part of a different culture. that's what americans used to be, not now. federal disaster aid is usually passed as emergency funding but coburn wants offsets. folk, that's political speak is what it is. what it really means is there are strings attach. it's not a budget. it depend on what happens. he wants to cut something in the budget for oklahoma to get the money. that money could come from programs which serve veterans, the elderly, disabled americans, poor americans who already are hurting because of the sequestration cuts. joining me now our rapid response panel tonight, michael die son, james peterson an karen held man. dr. die son, what's the difference between disasters? >> well, the difference is it happened in their back yard and the other one happened in new york's back yard.

it's moral hypocrisy at its worst. they voted against the $60 billion that was to be given in the aftermath of sandy. the 1 is billion that's left over, they want to tap into that. they want to have offsets against the $11 billion which was specifically said not to have the need for offsets. to they're trying to attach a rider that would pun tifly punish those other people that they would take the money from, from the poor, the needy. so the has packcy here is extraordinary. >> carecaroline. i want to play this for you. what duds it say about republicans when i comes to disaster relief that they're willing to pick and choose who gets relief? what we saw happen with sandy was, i think, very politically motivated but when i happens in their back yard, obviously they have a different opinion. how do we break through that?

sh should we have some kind of natural disaster policy. >> we certainly should. free man meant to move it from the congressional branch to the 0 other branch. what we really need to do is take this away from congress and properly fund fee map. the reason it's not properly funded is because we have so much more disaster relief needed since really 1980 and beyond with climate change. so these republicans are promoting policies that are causing climate change and we newsing to faye for the consequences of that. >> there's no question about it. they're all deniers. senator coburn may need to rethink his science here. >> i tell you, if you're living in that area of moore in oklahoma, the likelihood of being hit by another tornado is about zero in terms of odds. >> well seven senator enhof seems to get the link here. those of us who were around in 1999, it's justry markable. this is dpakt exactly the same thing, the same track, about the

same period, the same surface area that was covered as back in 1999. >> what about all this, dr. peterson? >> well, i mean, again, caroline is right here. we need to to be addressing climate change. that's what's accelerated these kind of disasters. it's remarkable how much more efficient knee ma is under this administration than it was under the last administration which again makes the case for the full funding of fema to take it autonomous from the politics we see in congress. if we leave it toup the congress they will switch side as to whether they're going to support fema. we can't do that. over all let's go to the long term climate change, wrestle with our energy and the kinds of things that are lael i contributing to the environment and these kinds of disasters. >> i tweeted out earlier this week, you know, if we're going

to be climate change deniers maybe we could do something about disaster relief and come up with a national policy about so there's no wrangling going on about who's going to get the money and who is not. people victimized on sandy still waiting months on end in america? come on. >> don't forget katrina. >> ledge lay tors in oklahoma has, the state is beginning to recover. republicans in oklahoma state senate made their priorities clear on wednesday, just two day after the tornado hit state senators quietly passed a bill that would defund planned parenthood. it passed by a vote of 33 to 8. family planning funds would go to publy providers and hospitals instead of private providerers like planned parenthood. it seems like when there's a disaster republicans certainly

have got a wind do of opportunity to do something under the radar. your thaurts. >> absolutely. they didn't even put it oun the docket. what is such a sham about this is that oklahoma already has the most restrictive abortion policies in the nation. none of the planned parenthood organizations in the state actually provide abortions and we're talking about serving 840 people and that being cut. the biggest cut is wic that goes for food and nutritional counseling. i was a wic baby so i know what it's like to go hungry for a week because you don't get your wic benefits. >> our next topic, bishop jackson republican nominee for governor in virginia. hae has no experience as an elected official but he does have a history of making anti-gay, aept obama statements. he could fit right in with the right wing. take a look at the video message he posted last year. >> the message to christian in

the black community, it is time to end the slavish devotion to the democrat party pap they've created a holy alliance and planned parenthood which has killed unborn black babies by the tens of millions. planned parenthood has been far more lethal to black lives than the kkk ever was. >> is this an attempt to make this year's republican nominee look less extreme? what about this? >> the fill los fear had it right. we don't believe you, you need more people. we don't even know you. you're talking about oklahoma where they won't even have $12.9 billion of disaster because they didn't want to study. planned parenthood is not about abortions it's about breast cancer screening. it's about teaching people to be parents. now here you got e.w. jackson,

hey's a black puppet. his mouth is moving but white supremist etiology is floating through it and the oppressive sorts of ideas are being evoked here. black people are not dumb. >> michael eric die on, nice to have you on here. >> watch it, i'm going to show your prom picture. tonight in our survey i asked you do politicians real he respect public educators. 5% of you say yes, 95% say no. we'll show you why it's fact or fiction next. [ mom ] with my little girl, every food is finger food. so i can't afford to have germy surfaces. but a fresh sheet of bounty duratowel

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for our pretender today, the master of make believe has given us another dandy. bill o'reilly can't judge fact from fiction. john statute asked for o'reilly's take on the white house scandal scare. >> you finally have a few things that really look worth -- >> yeah. >> investigating. >> right. >> is it joy, is it sexual arouse l? what is the, what is the feeling over there? >> you know, i've been too easy. i have been too easy on the man. >> really? what is do zi that is. here's exactly how easy the mayor of cable news has been on president obama. >> i'm trying to listen to the president of the united states who is peeking to the world not just to united states make some sense and he doesn't make any sense. 's not willing to compromise. he doesn't see the big economic picture and he's way too far left. >> the united states can't dictate what happens. >> we're not learning anything.

e he's not being honest. this is bs. >> certainly not degrading or disrespectful. hadn't been too hard on. o'reilly's antics are on par. his disrespect for the president and disregard of the facts are quite another to be completely fair in o'reilly's warped mind, he does go easy on the president. considering how he treats president obama's staffers. >> got it? don't block the shot. >> don't block the shot. if o'reilly thinks he can keep fooling the folks, he can keep on pretending.

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new york and a hellfire missile comes raining in on them. >> your notification is the buzz of the propellers on the drone as it flies overhead and the seconds before you're killed. >> senator rand paul spent the first months in office telling scary drone stories. thursday president obama responded for the first time and ended up destroying paul's fear-mongering claims. the president delivered a speech on the effectiveness of the drone strikes, then he tackled the republican conspiracy theories. >> for the record, i do not believe it would be constitutional for the government to target and kill any u.s. citizen with a drone or with a shotgun without due process. nor should any president deploy armed drones over u.s. soil. >> by the way, senator paul and the rest of the congress have had oversight on every drone strike since the president's been in the white house.

>> let me repeat that -- not only did congress authorize the use of force, it is briefed on every strike that america takes. >> the president also talked about this american who was killed in a drone strike in yemen. he is suspected in a series of al qaeda plots against the united states going back to 2009. here's the president's response to criticism. >> when a u.s. citizen goes abroad to wage war against america, and is actively plotting to kill u.s. citizens, and when neither the united states nor our partners are in a position to capture him before he carries out a plot, his citizenship should no more serve as a shield than a sniper shooting down on an innocent crowd be protected by a s.w.a.t. team. >> i'm joined by robert green

wald of brave new films who has been over in afghanistan and spoken with those in communities where the drone strikes have been effective, but also taken the lives of innocent people. dr. green wawald, what do you tk of the president's comments on the drone strikes. he makes a strong case. what do you make of it? >> it's a mixed picture. he said some important things about bringing an end to perpetual war, which may be a realization that we cannot kill our way to security which is fundamentally important. there were a series of questions left unanswered. there were some things that frankly and sadly were really, really terrible. the notion was reaffirmed that we can kill a suspect, a suspect, mind you, any place in the world with a drone. that's not a way to bring perpetual wars to an end. also, as jonathan landry pointed out, they redefined it so it's no long every just the top leadership of al qaeda, but

we're killing more people than that. so i think there's a lot for us to wrestle with. >> it don't look like the president will change his policy at all. he made a strong case. and it seems like both parties are not putting up a fight on this at all to change this program. should we prefer drone strikes over conventional war? drone strikes, as the president said, are necessary and effe effecti effective. >> that's not the choice. it's not drone strikes or war. we're not going war to pakistan. i was in pakistan, talked to person after person, there's no way -- i think it's the wrong notion to say it's either or. >> we made the decision as a country that just some innocent people will die in that war on terror? >> are we being made safer by the drones is the question. i would argue from my trip to pakistan we're not being made safer. if you read some of the material on it, the studies coming out

now, you can see over and over again there's evidence that it's not, in fact, making us safer because the number of people that we're alienating and that are now dedicated to doing bad things to us, because of the drone strikes. >> quickly, would things change if the strikes were under the pentagon and not under the authority of the cia? >> well, it's not clear. there's a great book called "the way of the knife" which talks about how we confused the spy and the soldier now, so there's no difference between the two. now the cia has turned into a killing machine, meaning we're not getting the intel we need. again, it's a tough issue. there's no question about it. but fundamentally we believe this is a policy trying to kill our way to security, that will not work. >> well, certainly the president could have given the speech a month ago. he could give it two months from now. he chose this week in the midst of a lot of conversation about the irs, the justice department and bengahzi. i found it interesting.

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