so it sounds even better when you just keep repeating it. that means happy subpoena summer. it is the hog wild anti-clinton '90s all over again, we are about to have a whole summer of quite possibly nonsense, unproven assertions, all summer long. it is going to be a long, hot, stupid summer. we have done this all before, but at least this time we know how it all ends. now it is time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." thanks for being with us tonight. we have a lot to get to tonight, including this. you need to know exactly what kind of sex can give you cancer. i mean, don't even think about touching that remote or touching anything until you hear from a doctor who is going to be on here later about exactly what can give you cancer. and then of course there's my lifelong love affair with cheerios. and why that affair got even

hotter this week. but first there's the burning question in washington about what's in darrell issa's gut. >> what does your cut tell you now? what does your gut tell you now? what does your gut tell you now. >> new month, same controversies. >> a lot of attacking in washington these days. >> we never tried to tie things to the president. >> who is leading the attack on the president? >> darrell issa is ratcheting up the rhetoric. >> their paid liar. >> press secretary jay carney. >> making up things. >> calling jay carney a paid liar. >> this is a problem that was coordinated right out of washington. >> new month, same old controversies. >> the administration is trying to say there's a few rogue agents. >> issa didn't offer any definitive proof of collusion. >> they don't seem to have evidence. >> what does your gut tell you now. >> might have a gut feeling. >> this is a problem coordinated right out of washington.

>> there's no factual evidence. >> my gut tells me too many people knew. >> why does he overreach and make things up. >> my gut tells me too many people knew. >> why does he as a prosecutor talk about his gut. >> what does your gut tell you now. >> never mind the lack of evidence. >> scandal hasn't worked for republicans in the past. >> there's no factual evidence. >> they don't seem to have any evidence. >> there's no way to explain that. >> what does your gut tell you now? what does your gut tell you now? what does your gut tell you now? >> that was the most ridiculous question asked on television this weekend. i don't just mean sunday morning political television, i mean the entire planet of television, including e! channel. >> i have asked many more ridiculous questions than candy crowley has in her distinguished career, including moderating one

of the presidential debates last year. if i was on television on the weekends, i could be relied on to come up with the most ridiculous questions of the weekend on a regular basis, but i am not. i observe the sabboth in my work life, i observe the sabboth, and as many days as i can, including weekdays. i am out of the running for the goofiest question of the weekend award which candy crowley won easily this weekend. what does your gut tell you. that question tells you everything and i mean everything you will ever need to know about the washington press corp in their coverage of the so-called scandal at the internal revenue service over 501(c)4 status for political groups. the washington press corp could read the law about 501(c)4s to darrell issa, show him the law says 501(c)4s must be operated

exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, and the washington press corp could ask darrell issa if he thinks it is a scandal that the irs in 1959, all on its own, wrote an interpretation of that law in a regulation and changed exclusively to primarily, and therefore on their own, without congressional authority, that is to say without constitutional authority, the irs changed the meaning of the law just like that. the washington press corp could ask issa about that, but they would have to read the law, except for ezra klein and others that have been on the program with me. for weeks, the washington political media have been writing about and talking on tv about 501(c)4s and every one of

them who has not quoted the very simple law on 501(c)4s, literally does not have the vaguest idea what he or she is actually talking about. you should mark this moment in political pundits. the press corp was given an intelligence test and it is failing it miserably because the press corp cares about, what does your gut tell you? that is the way they talk to each other privately. they read campaign polls and then say to each other over drinks and dinner hey, what does your gut tell you? nate silver doesn't check his gut, he checks the facts he can collect. that's what made him the most accurate predictor of the last election. today, members of the washington press corp are asking each other privately at lunch, at dinner, what does your gut tell you about the so-called irs scandal? they pride themselves on their

guts. they believe that their guts are of value. real informational value. that is why the group think of the washington press corp delivered that question to darrell issa through one of the most distinguished members. what does your gut tell you? that question was not a search for the truth, it was not a search for a fact of any kind. that question was to put it very mildly inappropriate. but the answer was sheer madness. >> my gut tells me that too many people knew that this wrongdoing was going on before the election and at least by some sort of convenient benign neglect allowed it to go on through the election, allowed these groups, conservative groups, if you will not friends of the president, to be disenfranchised through an election. >> disenfranchised through an election. now, if you watched that interview yesterday, you would

have no idea that no one was disenfranchised. candy crowley offered no objections or corrections to what came out of darrell issa's gut on television. if you watched that interview, you would have no idea that not one, not one conservative group was denied 501(c)4 status by the irs, every single one of them was approved, every one. if you watched that interview, you would have no idea that every one of those groups could have simply claimed 501(c)4 status about even applying for it, but because that is a matter of law, that is something that no one, so far no one at cnn seems to know, no one in washington press corp seems to know. washington press corp's ignorance of 501(c)4 law is breathtakingly relentless, washington press corp's ignorance is a brick wall that

shows absolutely no sign of cracking, as long as what they care about most is hey, what does your gut tell you? now, first of all, krystal ball, you are expecting. >> i am. >> and so i know you may be craving things from time to time, but could i interest you in cheerios? >> they look delicious. normally i am nervous about eating on camera because of crumbs and lipstick. thank you, appreciate it. >> ari? >> maybe at the end of the block. >> you can play it that way. so krystal, i can't take it any more, okay? >> i can tell. >> i am mad as hell, can't take it any more. this discussion that goes on in washington without one person there on television willing to actually quote the law to darrell issa, and then say to him so listen, the law says exclusively, the regulation says primarily, there's obviously room for confusion there. under that situation tell me

exactly what you think the irs agents did wrong. they've never been asked that. >> that's right. >> they hear target, that's it. case closed. >> they hear scandal, let's make it seem interesting. i was going to say the only reason the question is relevant is because darrell issa figures out what his gut is telling him, then tries to find the facts to fit it in. >> that's true, but that doesn't mean your tv show should become a forum for the gut. >> that's exactly right. i don't even think that's true, i don't think he even believes this stuff. i think the question should be what is the most baseless, wild, irresponsible accusation you can level at the president right now and then he would go ahead and fill in the blank. but the piece you were highlighting. 501(c)4s, lack of clarity in the definition, the fact that the story is abused, and the story that's missed in the press corp, the fact that the irs budget was cut to the point that the agents can't do their jobs.

they do not have the resources to do their jobs. so they were trying with the limited resources they have to enforce the law as they understood it. it was not proper, but you can understand with what they're working with, why they went that direction. >> look at some of the push back darrell issa got on this, most interestingly, push back from republicans. let's listen to this. >> i think that issa should not be making personal attacks or hurling epithets. >> let's not make it personal, jay carney is not the issue here, he is the spokesman for the white house. >> would you go as far as congressman issa who accused the administration of being liars? >> i never like to use that word. i think that we should let these investigations take their course, let the facts come out. >> if you're in this position as a chairman responsible for these investigations, that just basically announces to everybody, not saying he is, i am a partisan, anything that i

can clued is based on my partisan beliefs. you've got to pull back and you've got -- you can't say things like this. >> ari, joe scarborough's point there is very important. i'm wondering if democrats are privately kind of glad that if there is going to be a big republican house investigation of the so-called scandal that darrell issa is the guy doing it. >> i think darrell issa is really failing the test which politically was to look somewhat fair before dropping the hammer again on eric holder. also lack of institutional memory for people covering the issues for awhile, we had 82 attorneys general. only once in the history of america have we had the house vote to hold an attorney general in contempt, that was this house, over a year ago, not over any of these scandals but over the trumped up document searches related to fast and furious, which was a program that initially took shape under the previous administration. so the fact that they would go

that far, do something that's never been done before over nothing shows you how severe the hunting of eric holder has been. so now having done all of that, they're looking to reup, hope nobody notices that they went after an attorney general, and he doesn't look credible. darrell issa looks like he is on a political mission not doing oversite, to state the obvious. >> look at something the congressman brought up in the hearing that darrell issa lost sight of, that there's absolutely no evidence of what he now talks about, which is to say washington or white house involvement in the irs story. let's listen to this exchange. >> as of this date, there is no factual evidence that this was a politically motivated review from senior officials at the irs or at the white house.

>> i can say within the white house, no. >> krystal, the inspector general didn't get or answer questions about what's in his gut. he actually just limited himself to what he found. >> which is the way that it should be and quite remarkable. one thing i think we should understand about darrell issa going back to your point, ari, is that he failed. his job as chairman of the house oversite committee was to try to bully and accuse and weaken the obama administration to the point that the president did not get reelected. so now that the president did get reelected and he failed in his mission, i think there's a lot of bitterness there, and he is essentially trying to go above and beyond to make anything stick to the administration, even as in the clips that you're showing, many of his republican colleagues are saying this didn't work out so well for us, i don't think the american people is really impressed with what you've done so far, i don't think they're on your side.

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mr. lautenberg. mr. lautenberg. aye. >> that was new jersey's democratic senator frank lautenberg casting what turned out to be one of his final votes in the united states senate in april for gun control. senator lautenberg passed away. he was one of 59 senators that did the right thing in 1993 when he voted for the assault weapons ban. >> assault weapons as we know are not designed for legitimate sporting purpose, these they are killing people, lots of people. i carried a weapon in world war ii. during the period of the break through in belgium, i was given more ammunition nor my weapon, which was a carbine. didn't fire as effectively nor with as much damage as we're

seeing sold on the streets, and i was a soldier, an american soldier at war. >> i was on the senate floor that day. i can tell you, it was one of his most effective moments on the floor. the national rifle association put senator lautenberg on its enemies list, it did nothing to dim his fight. he was the last veteran of world war ii serving in the senate. he rose to john kerry when they tried to say he was soft on defense. he was never one of the truly great orators, but he could be brutally honest as he was that day in 2004. >> mr. president, for years the charge coming from across the aisle is that democrats are somehow or other less patriotic, less supportive of defense and

it is a shameful and grotesque. these charges are from people i call chicken hawks. my definition of a chicken hawk is someone that talks tough on national defense and military issues, cast dispersion on others who might disagree in the vote, but when they had a chance to serve, they weren't there. our colleague, the distinguished junior senator from massachusetts, is being attacked this week by the other side of the aisle as being weak on support for the military and compromising the defense of our country and i say shame on them who impugn the patriotism and say they're compromising defense of our country. shame on them that i am pews patriotism of those that support the country's call to duty and pay for it with injuries

resulting from their obedience to that call. in my view that's the cry of the chicken hawk who has no idea what it means to have the courage to put your life at risk to defend your country and its ideals. but the senator from massachusetts knows it all too well. when our country went to war in southeast asia, the senator from massachusetts enlisted in the navy, he requested to be sent to vietnam to fight for his country. the easy thing to do would be to simply vote for all defense bills, no matter what it says inside them, and pretend that these votes are the real measure of patriotism. that's what the chicken hawks do, that's the easy road. it is the same easy road we see when someone files for student deferment, then claims an old football injury should prevent him from fighting for his country. only a chicken hawk would attack

a political rival. lost three limbs in vietnam as being soft on defense. >> that last line. in that last line, senator lautenberg launched a stunning, well deserved attack on saxby chambliss bliss who defeated a senator two years earlier. cleland was a decorated combat veteran that lost two legs and an arm. he was a former football player that filed for five student deferments from the draft, bravely insisted to the draft board his football injury, which has never shown any version of inhibiting his movement in any way, that football injury should prevent him serving in the military in time of war. there's senator lautenberg calling a sitting senator a

chicken hawk on the senate floor, something i had never seen a senator do, even though the senate is filled with chicken hawks, senators that refuse to serve in the military when they were of age, but have always found it easy to support sending soldiers into combat. new jersey's governor chris christie will appoint a temporary senator to fill what's been a democratic senate seat for 34 years. today, governor chris christie told new jersey women's conference it would be inappropriate to deliver his prepared speech, and instead remembered the state's senior senator. >> it is no mystery that senator lautenberg and i didn't always agree. in fact, it is probably more honest to say we very often didn't agree. and we had some pretty good fights between us over time. i think the best way to describe frank lautenberg and the way he would want to be described to all of you today is as a fighter. senator lautenberg fought for things he believed in. sometimes he just fought because

he liked to. >> karen finney, my last chat with frank lautenberg is when he called me up to complain that i suggested on this show that maybe cory booker would actually choose to run for frank lautenberg's seat, instead of the governorship, because it seemed quite obvious to me that the senator at his age would not be running again, called me up not so much angry, but complaining, saying come on, you shouldn't be talking about someone taking over this seat. i'm still here, i'm still here. >> you were preempting him. >> that's right. we had a great chat. he reminded me of things we had done together. but there he was, you know, just months ago thinking i'm going to be here for awhile. >> absolutely. obviously in the last few months when he has come down to cast some votes, despite his health, clearly this is a man who cared deeply about the issues, cared deeply about his work in public service. i know there was a point he

decided not to run, he was miserable. and torcelli got in trouble and it worked out for senator lautenberg, it gave him another chance to serve. this is somebody that loved the service, the service of his country, in a number of ways, but really cared about the issues. and that will really be missed in a senate that's a little adrift at times with all of the back and forth with the gop. >> jonathan capehart, big opening for chris christie, gets to appoint a temporary senator. not clear how long, do they have to have special election, do they wait awhile. what does he do, what does this give him a chance to show to whom? who does he want to please with this appointment? >> that's a great question because he's in a bind really. so chris christie is up for re-election this november. he is a republican governor of a blue state, reliably blue state.

he needs democrats to come his way if he wants to be reelected. the senate vacancy provides him the opportunity to appoint a democrat, someone who can be a caretaker, someone who folks in new jersey know and respect, and that would sort of pump up chris christie's bipartisan bone a fieds, that could help him in 2016, if he were the republican nominee for president, folks around the country are saying hey, this is someone that's bipartisan, can work with other people. the only problem is if he were to do that, that would kill him among the gop base, who already view him with suspicion because he did what governors do in times of crisis, embrace the president of the united states and thank him for help he gave his state when they were in trouble after superstorm sandy. picking a democrat would do him

some harm among republicans. if he chooses a republican as the caretaker, it is the reverse. the voters in new jersey would then look, especially those democrats, remember, new jersey is a blue state, the democrats look at chris christie, depending on the type of republican he picks, they look and think what's this about. who is this person, why did chris christie pick him or her, and why is chris christie now having to run with him or her, depending on when that special election happens. >> karen, should he be looking at a christie, whitman style new jersey republican, a moderate new jersey republican to kind of bridge all the issues that jonathan is talking about here? >> i actually think that's more likely to be the way he goes because that's the path of least resistance at this point. i think yes, democrats in the state might wish that he would appoint a democrat, but i think politically speaking it is

easier to explain or justify why you put a republican in that position than it would be to put a democrat in that position and have to explain that to the gop base. based on some of the things we saw and heard in the last primary, does anybody think he would survive a day with that kind of decision? >> half a day. >> karen finney, jonathan capehart, thank you for joining me. karen, your new show starts this weekend, 4:00 p.m. eastern saturdays and sundays. >> that's right. stay tuned this week, we'll tell you the name. >> you know what, your twitter followers and mine should start suggesting names now. they have minutes left to do that. thanks very much both of you for joining that. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thanks. coming up, the connection and tragically there is one between sex and cancer, and why some doctors are very happy that michael douglas has gone public and now has people talking about hpv and its link to cancer. we will have a doctor here to

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hail and pretty destructive tornadoes, and so we're looking for the formation of these particular thunderstorms. right now, especially in central oklahoma, even on i-40, kind of where we're currently targeting. >> that was veteran storm chaser and weather scientist tim samaras, talking to krystal ball on msnbc hours before he was killed friday. tim samaras and his son paul and carl young were killed after a tornado took a sudden turn, leaving them directly in the tornado's path. these are the first deaths of experienced storm chasers in more than 50 years. tonight, oklahoma city's medical adviser confirmed that a total of 18 people died in friday night's storm, including six children. nbc's tom costello has more on the storm chasers.

>> reporter: from inside their truck, this is what a weather channel crew faced as a tornado caught up with them. >> everybody go, go, go, keep going if you can, everybody duck down, everybody duck down. >> reporter: minutes earlier, meteorologist mike bettes cut short his live report. >> i think we have to go so the tornado doesn't run us over. >> reporter: but it did run them over, it caught their truck rolling over and over again. nearby, storm chaser tim samaras was also on the air with msnbc. >> the ingredients are coming together for a pretty volatile day. >> reporter: a few hours later, samaras and his son paul and meteorologist carl young were killed when a tornado made a sudden turn demolishing their car. samaras dedicated his life to researching and understanding tornadoes, even designing his own probes to measure them.

>> tim has given some of the only measurements of pressure and winds inside tornadoes right down at the ground level. >> reporter: but the samaras and weather channel crew were two of dozens of teams professional and amateur, some providing urgent updates to radio and tv audiences, others in it for the thrill. every year hundreds of chaser converge tornado alley. >> we have a funnel. >> reporter: many hope to capture dramatic video to post online or sell to tv. >> woo! >> reporter: some even offering tornado tourism. >> got another lightning bulb. >> reporter: see more people going on chase vacations, or for bachelor parties. that's a concern. these are dangerous storms. >> don't know if we have much hail. >> reporter: tonight, many like mike bettes are rethinking

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i've got cancer, found out about it three weeks ago. i said gee, just when i found out i was going to be on your show. >> that was michael douglas, telling dave the bad news in 2010. a few days ago he told the

british newspaper "the guardian" how he got throat cancer. >> do you think in behind sight you overloaded your system? overloaded your system with drugs, smoking, drinking? >> no, no, i mean, without getting too specific, this particular cancer is caused by something called hpv, which actually comes about from cunnilingus. >> today's new york post summarized it this way. sex gave me cancer. there you are. the story inside "the post" read a little more like a medical journal than a tabloid. transmission of the human papilloma virus is most common through vaginal or anal intercourse, although it can also be transmitted by oral sex.

for women, the primary concern is cervical cancer, but the virus also effects men, causing penile, mouth, neck cancers. the rate of hpv head neck and throat cancer skyrocketed by 225% between 1988 and 2004. the american public's knowledge about this is very low, said bob hill of the oral cancer foundation. even five years ago, professionals really didn't know about the links between hpv and cancer. joining me now, dr. hilda hutcherson, clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at columbia university college of physicians and surgeons and author of, among other books, "pleasure, a woman's guide to getting the sex you want, need and deserve." doctor, could i interest you in cheerios? we could have it after the show. >> absolutely, love cheerios. >> you've seen what we've been

doing with cheerios tonight. i, for one, will never forget where i was the moment i heard about the connection between what michael douglas was talking about and cancer. i was walking along the street with a friend of mine that has your job in another medical school and he told me about it because a friend of ours had gotten tongue cancer. he said you know how that happens, and of course i didn't. and it is one of the great unknowns out there. there's very low information. >> i tell you, michael douglas is my hero. >> he is so many women's hero actually. i heard this from a lot of women, he was willing to sacrifice himself over the years. >> absolutely, to stand before the world and say i have cancer and it is caused by a virus that's transmitted through oral sex. i mean, how courageous is that? and educating america and the

world about the fact that this virus that most of us are going to get in our lifetimes can cause throat cancer. i mean, who knew? >> well, my friend, dr. ted trimble, who also teaches this in medical school, told me about this thing that you guys get every year, right? >> pap smears. >> but the first time you have a class of medical students in front of you who are hearing for the first time in their lives in that very scientific language that you use that they can get cancer, a person can get cancer, from oral sex and these particular kinds of oral sex, he tells me that the room kind of freezes, and they all kind of almost fall off their chairs, the 25-year-olds who are hearing this a little late in life. >> yeah, it is shocking because young people still think that oral sex is safe sex and that

you can't get something as serious as a cancer from oral sex. when they hear it the first time, they really do kind of -- little bit of shock and awe. >> it is coming around to that hour of the night when people are more interested in this than they are during the workday. how can you safely proceed in your love life without getting cancer? what's left? >> i don't think you have to be overly fearful of it because it is still a low risk, but if you're having intimate contact with someone and you're not quite sure whether they have an infection or not and you want to protect yourself, there are lots of things we can do. you know, condoms if giving oral sex to a male, a nonlatex condemn can be used, a dental dam. >> the last word staff went and bought a dental dam, the first one i have ever seen.

i am holding it in my hands for the first time. there's your dental dam. >> you place that over the woman and then you can give her oral sex on the other side. >> come on, doctor, come on. >> you can also use saran wrap if you don't want to. >> saran wrap. >> you can wrap it with that. >> do something with the lighting. when the medical students hear this, and they evaluate everything about it, do they all say -- most of them in effect say okay, this is a risk i'm going to take? >> absolutely, most of my patients say that, too, this is a risk i'm going to take. i am not going to wrap myself in saran wrap and put that condom on before oral sex. one thing i want the audience to know about is the hpv vaccine for young girls.

>> much attention to young girls. now saying it should also be administered to boys. >> yes, anywhere from age 11 to 27 is the perfect time to get the vaccine. >> can you stay, we can continue our conversation and we will post it ♪ >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes and thank you for joining us. we crack down one of the mystery men who appears in john mccain's syrian rebel photo. he will join me live. plus, years ago child republicans were all the rage and now people view the gop as little more than the walking dead. you might think we decided as a society to ban smoking on