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tremendous respect and affects for susan rice. she's done a wonderful job for the united states at the united nations. this is not a senate confirm-able job, so there's no concern on hisç part in the elevating susan to this very important role. >> does that now make john kerry odd man out? samantha power, a former ointoa foreign policy adviser and human rights, who famous oy clashed with hillary clinton during the 2008 campaign. weathering the storm, the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll showing that -- but there are warning signs for the white house. christie's choice, was it a move to avoid cory booker? new jersey's governor defends his decision to spend millions just three weeks before the general election. >> there's no political purpose.
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the political purpose is to give the people a voice. i will not permit the insiders and few party leaks to determine who the nominee of the republican party and the democratic party will be. >> and remembering a liberal lion. vice president biden and hillary clinton just among the many mourners eulogizing frank lautenberg at his funeral in new york at this hour. good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington, with president obama is turning to susan rice. a trusted adviser whose comments did take her out of contention to become secretary of state, to repla(c tom donilon as national security adviser, the closest adviser to the president. "new york times" white house correspondent mark lang her joins us now. mark, this is a long predicted move, but it certainly is sweet for susan rice action who does not have to be confirmed, as this is a president's choice. she had removed herself from the
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state department contention and that was a very unhappy episode. there's an limit selfredemption and defiance. i know what you think of susan rice, but you have nothing to say, i still retain confidence and i'm going to put her even closer to the oval office in terms of forming administration foreign policy. >> susan rice talked to brian williams the day it was announced she was withdrawing h her. and we know how close these two are. let's watch. >> frankly i think the president has four times in public said incredibly kind and supportive things about my service 689 i couldn't be more grateful to him
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for his friendship and support of him and for his leadership on fope9 policy and national security. >> at the same time, this is awkward, because john kerry knows susan rice is right at the president's elbow. >> hillary clinton even given her celebrity status struggled with the degree to which policymaking was centered in the white house. this promises just to accelerate that process. for john kerry, who doesn't have anywhere near the personal connection to president obama that susan rice does, this will be a challenge for him. i imagine the way he'll respond to it is by seeking to carve out one or two issues perhaps that susan rice is less interested in, maybe the middle east peace process, where he's already invested a great deal of time,
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and tried to sort of carve out some running room there. so we'll have to see how it plays out. >> this was secretary kerry, by the way, discussing syria the other say and seemingly implicitly -- during the first term. >> ifr said from day one, this is a very difficult process, which we come to late. we are trying to prevent theç sectarian violence from dragging syria down into a complete and total implosion. where it has broken up into enclaves and the institutions of the state have been destroyed, with god knows how many additional refugees. >> we should point out that kerry is on yet another trip in gawd malla today when this announcement will take place around 2:15 eastern time with the rose garden announcement. the other big announcement is
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that the president plans to nominate samantha power, his longtime foreign policy adviser, pulitzer prizewinning journalist, who left the white house twice, once on maternity leave, and recently after long service. and she is nominated and has to be confirmed to be u.n. ambassador. what role will she play? >> well, as you say, samantha power made her name. she's are a fervent advocate of humanitarian intervention. she and susan rice teamed up with hillary clinton to persuade president obama to back the nato-led invasion in libya. you would expect coming from that background she'll be a voice for that kind of intervention going forward, but it's worth noting that in both the case of susan rice and samantha power, neither ofç th have spoken out forcefully or even quietly to criticize the
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administration's moderate or cautious role vis-a-vis syria. you know, there may be good reasons for that. they're in the administration or hoping to reenter the administration. they know where the president stands on this. it's also true that libya and syria are very different cases. while it may have made valid sense for the u.s. to do what it did in libya, most people acknowledge a syria's a far more difficult case. it will be interesting to see when samantha power takes up her job exactly how she addresses the issue. >> and how the confirmation proceeds, because as we've seen, there is no shortage of people, republicans willing to jump on and pile on the administration over foreign policy. thank you, mark. >> thank you, andrea. you want to complete your thought? >> i was just going to say there is some fear among people that know samantha power, given that susan rice is no longer subject to a senate confirmation, that
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if these republicans are angry enough at this, they may in effect take it out on samantha power. so there's been a bit of concern this morning that she's the one that may face really tough sledding on the hill. >> someone who may know how that might evolve is virginiaç senar tim kaine joining me now. you're going to have to sit on the confirmation of samantha power. what are you hearing, if anything? >> well, it's still pretty early the the first discussion was about susan rice, and i applaud that move. i think susan has served the is that well as ambassador to the u.n., and she'll do a good job in the national security post. haven't heard too much discussion about samantha power. i think she's well known her. her advocacy on human rights, her passionate nature, speaking out against genocide is well known on the hill.
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i don't know, i don't detect any personal animus in any discussions i've had with members. >> if you're sort of a rebellious challenge to all of this, in that susan rice has been the target of so much republican criticism in the e-mails arguingly to michelle that she was simply the recipient of those talking points that were worked on. but the fact is, will people -- will republicans view this with some hostility, even though they don't have a say? >> you know, andrea, in all the discussion about benghazi, and we've had hearings both in armed services and foreign relations, so i've seen it from a couple different angles since coming in in -9uie9ñ my concern is, are we doing the things that the accountability review board said we needed to, to keep our embassy safe. i think that's the real issue. in all the discussions i've had heard, there hasn't been a lot of personal animus directed at
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ambassador rice. the concerns have been more about, was there an effort by some to affect what she would say? everyone knew that ambassador rice at the u.n. did not have embassy security, as, you know, one of her main responsibilities. that was not her line of responsibility. while there's been a controversy, i don't think the controversy has been personally about ambassador rice. it was unfortunate she was caught up in the controversy, but, you know, people could get feisty about it, but i think that would be a few people, not a lot. >> let me ask you about the sexual assault in the military issue, because we had the testimony yesterday in committee, with the lineup of landlord all male commanders, many of them esteemed generals whom we have admired in other fields, but all under fire. >> and they ought to be under fire. >> why dough think they ought to be under fire? >> well, they're not getting the job done. the military is not getting the job done. i'm on the personnel
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subcommittee of the armed services. i went to the hearing six weeks ago that the chair of that subcommit aye senator gillibrand had, where we had the lineup was much moreç focused on victims, and organizations that work with victims. and then the panel yesterday was instructive. we started at 9:30, finished at 5:00, it was grueling testimony from 18 witnesses, but it is clear that the military today is not getting the job done, either to create a culture where sexual misconduct is not tolerated, and secondly, they have to create a culture where people can feel free to report without being retaliated against. it's the retaliation and reporting that i think is the real key to this. so i signed on to co-sponsor a number of initiatives dealing with that issue, to try to make sure that individuals can come forward, get advice about what their options are, come forward in a restricted way, a confidential way if they need to, so we can start to tackle it. if we can't tackle the
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retaliation and make people feel comfortable, we'll never tackle this problem. >> senator, thank you very much. we are following breaking news out of the philadelphia, where several people have been injured. two people could be trapped after several buildings collapsed in center city, philadelphia, the heart of the city's business district. 12 people were rescued from the -- officials say it's not clear if that's related to the collapse. >> it's an incredible job being done by the fire department. they're going to do everything they can to make sure if there was anyone else in there -- >> the fact that theç victims have only minor injuries? >> that's incredible. which it is indeed, a blessing. joining us is former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and msnbc news commentator, you know that intersection, the heart of downtown philadelphia, it is mer iful that it seems only minor injuries so far. >> so far. we don't know about the two people trapped.
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the fire commissioner said they had been talking to one. i don't know whether that means the other is unconscious, but he said they both were alive, so that's a good sign. the fact that the other 12 have gotten out with only class 3 injuries action no life of-threatening injuries is truly remarkable. and, you know, downtown philadelphia, an dreamia, west market street has been undergoing a revival, mostly gleaming office towers and brand-new condominiums that sell for almost a million each. that's catty corner across the street from this site, but this site is the last site that has old buildings, one-story buildings action two-story buildings, that are in the process of being demolished. the demolition have something to do with this? obviously yes, but it was a -- the commission permitted demolition, so we have a lot of fact finding to do before we place blame action if there is blame to be placed. >> it does soon leap some sort
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ofç construction accident ther. it doesn't seem like anything untoward other than a construction accident, just a place -- you are the former mayor, this is only blocks from city hall, only a few blocks across the river from 30th street station, this is the heart of downtown philadelphia. that area of market street was being redeveloped with big office towers. >> two, three years from now, this block won't look the same at all. >> we will stay on top of this. thank you very much, former mayor, former d.a., nbc commentator, former governor. >> former everything. >> mr. philadelphia, ed rendell. thanks for staying around and talking with us today. meanwhile, major league baseball, alex rodriguez has been thrust back into the center of a baseball scandal. espn is reporting that a-rod is among 20 players reportedly connected to a mime-area clinic that may be suspended for performance-enhancing drug use.
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nbc news has not independently conformed the latest reports. officials are refusing to comment on the investigation, but the players association said in a statement that players are in the process of being interviewed. i'm player linked to this report is former national league mvp ryan braun. the decision he was the first player in the major leagues to successfully challenge a drug-related penalty. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. , ideas, goals, appetite for risk. you can't say 'one size fits all'. it doesn't. that's crazy. we're all totally different. ishares core. etf building blocks for your personalized portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
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susan rice is a trusted adviser to president obama, but she has taken plenty of heat from congressional republicans. for more on the politics of this appointment and the job shuffle, chuck todd, nbc political
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director, chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." joins me from the hill, obviously doing a lot of reporting today. chuck, let's talk about susan rice. this was anticipated she would go for the national security council, and will take place after the summit, but then you throw samantha power into the mix at the u.n. how is the white house going to change in terms of policy, if at all? >> policywise, it will not change at all, except that it's interesting here, andrea, and i'm sure you've noticed that the president was very concerned about the how the foreign policy establishment would accept him when he first came into office. he madeç choices in tern positions that he thought would please the establishment community, so jim jones, a former marine corps general, in as national security adviser. that doesn't work out so well, tom donilon replaced him, but it was also the deputies and samantha power, that it was not
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the white house chief of staff. even susan rice and the position at the u.n., much more influential driving policy, they just weren't officially in these positions. now they're officially getting the title to match the influence they already had behind the scenes. >> and it was very clear during the whole benghazi fracas, that the president really felt that susan rice -- well, remember that news conference -- the president really felt she had taken an unfair hit and that he was so loyal to her, and felt that he wanted her at his side. so it's very clear she was going to end up here. >> no doubt. look, benghazi e-mails that came out, when the whole thing came out, she -- >> that was a vindication. >> a total vindication for susan rice, she was essentially a victim of what was a crazy e-mail chain process, and the talking points ended up being created after this -- what was clearly a politically charged
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agency-level fight between the cia and the state department, and that's what she was using tç go out there. >> and one more point on that, about of we move on to the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll and you clear your throat -- >> thank you. >> this had roots in the fact that it was always -- and we couldn't report it at the time and the state department couldn't say so, but that was always a cia outpost, it was not a diplomatic outpost, largely an intelligence-gathering outpost. that's why there was so much concern and so much input from the cia as well on how it was going to be described. so there was a lot more going on there. >> andrea, this is the part that hasn't been investigated, at least in public, very well by congressional committee, and we wait to hear -- the most interesting interview that any of us would like to have in the near future is one with the then cia director david petraeus, who clearly also had pretty strong opinions about what should be said and what shouldn't have
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been said. >> and now has a new perch at the top of the investment banking world at kkr in new york. so he is in a very different position now than when he first left washington. >> let's talk about the poll. what you're seeing in the poll and what you've been reporting is that the president still has the same kind of general overall approval, but what are the warning signs that you're seeing, noting the three controversies in terms of the public attitudes toward the white house,ç not the presiden >> he's withstanding the controversies for now, but the public has a wait-and-see attitude, but they're not happy about it. for now the public has separated what they believe is a poorly managed administration, whether it has to do with the irs, what the justice department did, or with benghazi, and they separated that from president obama personally. they don't -- other than a partisan republicans in our survey, most of the majority do not believe he was personally involved. but when you look at the warning
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signs, for instance he seems to be losing ground with political independents, and our poll -- these are true independents, people who may be slightly more conservative than the poll in general, but not much more. they have a sour view about the republican party. well, they're sowing, it appears about the government in general, not happy about the. . we've seen a three-month trend of decline. we were careful not to make a big deal out of this, for instance, last month, because you never know whether it's a weird dip, but this is three months in a row. the president withstood the political fire. the public is giving him some benefit of the doubt, but he can't withstand much more. anything new, anything else, anything that has proven that somehow the white house was involved in any of these, in a much more negative light than what it appears to be, and then you can see what is a slow erosion turn into a fast one. >> and we see in our poll that
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people really are losing confidence in institutions, not only in congress, and in government, and in the news media, but all institutions, and now we have another potential scandal here in major league baseball. what could be more important to all of us outside our work than baseball. >> i'm glad you put the baseball story in this context, because you see that. you know, you hear the economy is improving, people think the economy is in a better place than it has been in six years, yet there's been no change in what direction they think the country is headed. it is, we've measured these institutions, even confidence in the military has dropped ten points from the last time we measured it. part of it i think has to do with the sexual assault story that you were talking about with senator kaine before the break, but clearly this idea that maybe the game is rigged, right? maybe our favorite players are not playing by the rules, gets
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back to the whole cultural and societal issue and frustration that i think is out there in the public. they think government is not playing by the rules. they think their sports teams aren't playing by the rules. guess what? that puts them in a sour, pessimistic mood. wrong track i think i heard you say,ç 42 straight weeks. >> 42 straight polls. thank you very much, chuck todd. thanks for being with us. we'll be right back. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and find out how much our advice and guidance costs. spoiler alert: it's low. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. e-trade. less for us. more for you. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested.
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new jersey governor chris christie's decision to hold a special election for frank lautenberg's senate seat before the reelection battle has drawn some criticism. joining us is chris cillizza, and amy walker. chris, first to you, the pluses and minuses as far as chris christie is concerned to doing it this way.
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>> in trust he probably had three options, none of them great options. every one of those options would almost certainly have let to some critique. i think what he did here is sort of go by the letter of the law in terms of days between the rake jails being open and when he could call the elect, and help himself, in that he doesn't really want cory booker, the mayor of newark, who is going to run for this seat, he doesn't want cory booker on the ballot with him. it's complicated, but the basic reason being chrisç christie wl almost certainly have a state senator be re -- if christie is on the same ballot with cory booker on november 5th, it's at least possible that buono gets the benefit of the organization, the excitement that cory booker will set, and comes into shouting distance of chris christie. that's the personal side of it. he really did stick to the
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letter of the law, as he interpreted it. i really do thing not only a great option here that all sides would say, well done, thanks so much. >> and at the same time, you know, replacing someone -- you know from your work in covering all of these races, amy, frank lautenberg had retired at a funeral action still going on at the park avenue synagogue in new york. his son or his daughter said the thing he regretted most his retirement speech, and he was talked into coming back. the party needed him really badly to hold on to that seat. now which way does chris christie go? >> new jersey is very good at gig us larger than life personalities. they both fit the stereotype of the new jersey politicians. they say what they mean, mean what they say. i agree christie didn't have many good choices,ç but i thin
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at the enof the day when you look at chris christie's actions, what they always come back to is what's good for chris christie? national pundits keep talking about him as a candidate, but the way he conducts himself is always about what will help me most in new jersey. whether it's the medicate funding or supporting the president on sandy. let's look at the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll numbers, views of chris christie by party, you see a clear breakdown there, the positives and negatives. he's got great cross-party appe appeal. >> great appeal. and all those quote/unquote sins. i can't tell you the number of people, i'm sure you'd heard it, too, who believe to this day they believe that his rhetorical embrace of the president right after the hurricanes sandy cost mitt romney the election.
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>> now, let's talk about michelle obama, she's at another fund-raiser here in d.c. last night. she gets heckled in a small room. there are no pictures of this. we have a bit of audio courtesy of "the washington post." let's listen to the beginning of what michelle obama was saying on.this gale activist took her really almost face-to-face. >> one of the things that i don't do well is this. >> and she went then on to say, listen to me or you -- we can't both speak -- i forget the exact words. help me out here, chris, but she basically walked off. >> she basically said, you can either listen to me or this person, but i'm not -- if you're listening to this person, i'm
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not staying. >> the truth of the matter is her husband is someone who chose political life, has been in public political life for quite some time, and part of political life, as we all know who spend time on the campaign trail, you inevitably gets heckled. the first time, you're probably taken aback action maybe angry. the 50th time you get heckled, you have a way in your mind of how you're going to handle it. so, you know, i think to say -- in my opinion it's an unfair comparison so say she didn't handle it as well as her husband did. >> it's a small room, a private home, theç heckler twaus in he face, she said -- listen to me or you can take the mike, but i'm all leaving. you can decide. look, michelle obama knew what she was doing, and it was also a
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very personal affront. >> bringing it back full circle chris christie would have done the same thing, and with cameras rolling. >> thank you very much amy walter and chris cillizza. brian stock exchange mitchell sang among other things frank sinatra song, and also hillary clinton among the mourners and eulogyists just moments ago. >> frank would say it's not where you sit that counts, it's where you stand. there was never any doubt where he stood. he did stand with those families to keep their children safe from toxic chemicals, from smoking, from drunk driving. he stood with the victims of gun violence and hiv/aids. he stood with veterans trying to
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follow in his footsteps and go from service to school to success in civilian life. he stood proudly with the working people of new jersey, trying to provideç for their families, to build businesses like frank and his two friends had, to pursue the american dream. he stood with the writriders of track, and most of all he stood, as we have seen so beautifully today, with his beloved family. ready? happy birthday! it's a painting easel! the tide's coming in! this is my favorite one.
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donilon. joining me mike rogers, the chair of the intelligence committee. thank you very much, congressman. what do you think of these changes and samantha power to the u.n.? >> well, it's curious they would choose ambassador rice as the national security adviser, only because she's such a political lightning rod now. the one job you want to be void of all that political attention. this is the one post that needs to be right down the middle. this needs to be about national security, and this job also has that quiet role of traveling around the world on occasion to deliver messages, to obtain information, to work with congress on issues of national security. i look forward to doing that. i hope we can get over at least the sheer noise and volume about her role in the benghazi and other things so we can get on
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the business of national security. >> the radio in the white house is she was vindicating, that she put all the output and read what she was handed, and she was told this was the approval -- approved talking points. >> sure, i -- i think there's probably more that will happen than the benghazi investigation. i think that's exactly right. i think she took what they provided her, and she went on national tv to defend it. that's not really the point. the point was how political charged she is on capitol hill to go to a post that's supposed to be void of political controversy. you want that to be as nonpartisan as you can't. that was just a curies choice. the president has the right to do that, this is his national security adviser, and it has a
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i'm committed to doing that, working with her in that role. i hope it isn't a distraction. i mean, we've got some very serious issues, as you know, with north korea and iran, and al qaeda and and all we have to get at and get our arms around quickly. we need to do that in a way that's not distracting. i hope that happens. i'm willing to work to make that happen, but it was just a curious choice, given all the things -- all the different issues swirling around the administration. >> you mentioned syria. do you see any changes in the administration's posture, because while rice was more interventionist on libya, no signals at all that she has been taking that posture in internal debates on syria. now you've got both the french and the british both saying that there was sarin gas used, clearly crossing the president's red lines and the white house and state department seem to say, we need a chain of
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evidence, we need proof. are they trying to slow walk this and avoid the red line? >> i've had come out strongly and said, listen action i review the same type of material and in the last two years, i believe the regime has used some small amount of chemicalç weapon. that can't in and of itself be a determinant, but we have a bigger problem. we have this problem becoming a regional conflict. iran is now using this as a proxy. we've never before seen hezbollah fighters leave lebanon to go to another country and fight on behalf of that regime in a way that's directed by iran. this is hugely troubling. so now you have every flavor of terrorist in the world operating in syria, the refugee problems are putting pressure on jordan, turkey and lebanon, and the pressures being put on israel is all, i think really very concerning, not only to the arab league, that region, but really
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to our national security interests and europe. that's why you see this, i think, raging chorus of hey, u.s., you don't have to been there with boots on the ground, but you have to be will with sp leadership, some intelligence packages, trainings, some other things, so that somebody has the credibility to walk into the opposition and deliver bad news, when it comes to some associated settlement the right now nobody has the authority to do that. if you notice, when the russians and the united states decided they were going to have a peace conference, the opposition said, we're not interested. why? because neither one of them have the credibility on the ground. that's where we feed to reestablish the credibility, so we can be a broker for peace and for syria. >> boy, a lot of challenges, indeed. thank you very much. >> thank you. speaking ofç challenges. chinese cyberattacks, human rights abuses, what to do about north korea, just a few of the issues that president obama and xi jinping will be dealing with at the unusual, unscripted california summit this friday.
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joining me is founder and president of the urasia group. they are encouraged that president xi agreed to the unscripted -- >> they will be providing us publicly is very scripted. they are working very hard to ensure they show a united front, and also they can be constructive. the chinese one week in advance of this summit announced a $4.7 billion investment? smithfield foods. it's a non-strategic sector. it's absolutely a peace offering to the u.s., if you will. chinese have been more constructive on north korea, and we are going to see as a congress let the talks go ahead. the chinese see that assen a offering to the u.s., even
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though frankly it's just as much in their own interests. the obama administration absolutely, while they've been talking about the danger of cybersecurity and cyberattacks, they certainlyç want to see th as having moved this relation forward. so i think you'll see very careful managing of the message that comes out from this meeting. >> what the white house says is they want to see if this is a new kind of leader. we see he does have an informality about him. he went with joe biden to a lakers game, now in central america touring on his way to the california summit, but does it really matter if china is still attacking us? mike mullen recently in an interview told me that cyberattacks are our greatest national security threat, bigger than terrorism. >> it is, and may well be the biggest national security threat to the chinese from the u.s. as well. we never put ourselves in their shoes, of course, but it's useful to think about the fact
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our own folks will telling you we're wearing the war on cyber, state versus state, we have 13 new cyberteams and we're going to go as good as we get. the problem is we're not willing publicly to talk about our level of disagreement, and there are plat attitudes, i expect to see more to come out. it's not a relationship getting a lot of priority. obama spent three days over there after his election, with 1.3 billion chinese, that's the qtur+alent of him spending 18 months in china. i don't see that happening any time soon. they want both to say this relationship is perfectly good, and they want to focus on primarily on domestic issue, while the fight between our two countries on cyber, on a number of security issues, as well as on access for u.s. corporations into china, and issues of ip
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probably are getting worse, so structurally the relationship is deteriorating. neither of us are -- that's fine when china is weak and small. when china becomes the world's largest economy, as they will relatively soon, the fact that neither of us are prepared to consider life from the side of the other is really a problem. >> to just show the real difference between our two cultures, take a look at what happened in social media, when they tried to put up a picture to commemorate the tiananmen square. it came down in 30 seconds, i'm told. >> the perspective that they have to let in facebook and twitter, have to be open on thinks things action if you're chinese, you believe those companies should be chinese, the todaya is sensitive, should be
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controlled by the chinese govepn they know they can't keep information from the chinese citizens anymore, but they do populate those chat rooms with folks who are working for the government and monitor those who are potential dissidents closely. while -- the data revolution is something the chinese government has manipulated to their own benefit. something they're getting very good at. thank you very much, ian. >> my pleasure. we'll be in touch, as we look forward to the big summit, and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you know what happens
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in this case, i had no idea what to do about it except i fought back in the moment and pushed them off and sometimes as you stand up to a bully, they will stand down. but after the fact, i had no clue what to do about it. there were no mechanisms in place. there had not been any education from the navy on what to do in that situation. so i do feel that we have made progress in the military. we at least are puting in place those mechanisms that young women or even older women can use or men can use.
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if they find themselves in a similar situation. >> what about the issue of commanders? i gather that you believe that commanders should -- that the chain of command should be in charge. but you can't go back and face a commander who might have been the predator in the first place. if that person is still your commanding officer or still have jurisdiction over the case, even if he wasn't personally involved, he or she, i should say, that you need an outside prosecutor. >> i believe that we need to keep this within the domain of the commander and here is the reason why. i honestly and firmly believe that building the co-herance of the unit and opezauional command is ready for the operational effectiveness of that unit. now that said, we need to keep in mind that chain of command is not just a single short chain that goes to the unit's commander. some of the mechanisms that we have in place for folks who have
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been victimized by sexual predators allow them to jump up further in the chain of command or to step to the side and provide, and can reach out to another channel to report above that chain of command. so if there is a case where there's an instance of a single commander who cannot gain the trust of his or her people, those people still have an avenue that they can follow. >> to be continueed. because there certainly is an argument that they don't feel that they have the avenue yet. so there are going to be changes. and the question is, what those changes are. >> what those changes will be. >> i will counter by saying that the increased number of reports we are seeing is an indicator that that trust is growing. is it perfect? no, it is not. there is work to be done to build the trust. educators of commanders themselves. education of eternal chains of command. educations of the men and women who serve beneath them.
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so there is a lot yet to be done. and a lot yet to be done in the way of empowering the potential victims as well. i don't actually like calling them victims. and some of the work being done in supportingç affinity groups that allow confidence building and allow discussions to take place in a safe environment are part of that. >> admiral hamby, we will have to leave it there. thank you very much for your perspective. the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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hi, everyone. i'm tam rron hall. all eyes will be on the rose garden in just a few moments as president obama reaffirms his confidence in susan rice. rice will become national security adviser for the administration. this coming nearly six months after