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had made you smile. [ announcer ] beneful. play. it's good for you. good morning, i'm chris jansing, the scope of the information this the government is ga thering about is getting wider. it is not just phone records, but they are mining your information on the internet. the code name prism is collecting data from the who's who from silicon valley, and yahoo! pal talk, and skype and google and apple according to the washington post. several companies are saying that they are insisting that the government not tap into the servers, but we are told that they can monitor traffic in real time looking for suspicious e-mails and pictures and documents and intended to cover communications that originate outside of the u.s. and the d k
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director of national intelligence james clapper says it is among the most important and valuable foreign intelligence information they collect, but all of this is coming after the revelation that the government is keeping a tab on all of the phone calls made inside of the united states. a scathing new york times editorial says that it is a dragnet and president obama has lost all credible. on the front page of the "huffington post" saying george w. obama. and this one, on "the new york times," some day a young girl will look up inher father's eyes and ask, daddy, what was privacy? and the senate would like to know what this is, because they say it is vital.
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>> it does not bother me one bit. >> there was a domestic case this wa thwarted because of this. >> the data is just trunk lines and no content. it is put behind a wall. >> i want to bring in the national journal's chris rates and politico reporter maggie hagerman. good to have you here. >> good to be here. >> it seems not totally, but largely a collective lack of outrage on capitol hill about this, partly because many of them voted for the authorization of these programs, so what happens, maggie, in spite of the op-ed columns and the members of congress who are outraged about th this? >> well, i think that there are some members of congress who are outraged about it. we have yet to see the face that is going to merge from congress as to who is going to lead the opposition to this saying this is a shame and not what we should be doing, and you saw after 9/11 little question iingf
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these kinds of policies when they began in the bush administration. >> nobody wants to be soft on terrorists. >> and we are now operating in the post-boston bombing time frame and it is not a surprise that is where the criticism has been the quietest, but in terms of the editorial boards and the public outrage, you will have a national conversation for whatever it is worth, but the technology is changing so that essentially by the time the public finds out about what is happening, the tools are being used and in place. very little will change. i think that what will happen is that the administration seems sort of behind on explaining this. they were slow to respond initially, and say it is a critical tool, and then they did acknowledge that it exists in terms of the facebook internet sharing information which is different from the phone program. i think that you will have continued media focus on it, and ultimately the public thinks it is being spied on. >> and let's talk about the lawmakers who have expressed concern and they tend to be ones who express concern all along before these revelations. and let me play the sound for you. >> this is a barn door. the government can seek
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or does it show how wide the net is that they are casting. >> i don't think they are mutually exclusive. because the data is valuable. and if you talk to lawmakers. and the thing that is the alarming about the initial phone break is the e-mails and so forth, because it is on u.s. citizens and the prism situation is about foreign data, and so i think that this
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>> and hence what we learned about osama bin laden and how he communicated with folks. congressman henry waxman, good morning. and you talked about the fisa amends and the vote against the protect america amendment in 2007, a so your position has been clear. i am wondering what is going through your mind on both of these things, the phone taps and what is happening with the internet. >> it is an overreach and that is the way it appears to me. i have not had a full briefing on the matter, but if you put a wide net out, you can get information this is useful in
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fighting terrorists, but a wide net drags in a lot of innocent, and uninvolved people in any terrorist activity and intrudes on our constitutional privacy and our rights. our civil liberties and that is why i have opposed so many of the laws. because they go too far. >> that is why this is a balancing act trying to figure out how much of the privacy act youç would give up as far as wt is safe. let me play for for you what senator angus king said this morning on "morning joe." >> what if there had been a interception that would have prevented nuclear destruction in miami? that is something that makes obama and everybody else who is involved in the public stay up at night. >> to his point and we were talking about this, congressman,
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it was not long ago that people were asking about that terrorist attack in boston and should we have done more to say look at the tsarnaev brothers? mike rogers says it has stopped terrorist attacks, so where do you find the balance and where is your dividing line and do you think that potentially this has crossed it? >> i think that if there is some suspicion that somebody is involved in terrorism or if there is some connection to an individual, that justifies wiretaps or interfering with their privacy in other ways, we ought the go forward wit. -- forward with it, but to take a lot of people and check everything that they are doing, because you will catch some people who are involved in a nefarious plot is just too broad and overreach. i think that we have some connection and some to suspicion otherwise we can say that any intrusion on all of our privacy is justified for theç times th we will catch the few terrorists, and maybe we will
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not catch them, because we are bogged down in so much information that has nothing to do with anything that big brother government won't know what is dangerous and what is not. >> i have heard a num bber of members of congress and some for and against this who have said that at least this there spark a debate and bring this debate out into the open, but my question is how likely is it that debate is going to change things or do you think that congressman, that the public outrage is not there, and it won't be, because everybody pretty much assumes these days that there is no presumption of privacy and that is an outdated notion? >> i don't think that we ought to make our government decisions based on public outrage. we ought to seriously look at the laws and whether they are serving the right balance that we need. otherwise otherwise, if the public attitude is to stop the criminals, that is the recipe for governments to take over ial powers over their people all throughout history,
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and i don't want to see that happen here. i have no doubt that there are good intentions behind this administration, and what they may be doing, but good intentions are not enough. we need protections against government intrusion that goes too far. >> congressman, henry waxman, thank you so much for being on the program. >>ç thank you. >> maggie and chris are here, and i want to switch gears because they have just started t debate onhe the senate floor abt immigration, and just a moment ago here is what jeff sessions had to say. >> and i challenge our challenge today is to create a system of immigration to serve the national interests and admits the people into the country who are most likely to be successful and most likely to prosper and most likely to flourish. >> the are you success ful if yu
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are a phd e student who comes in to change the world or somebody who comes in to work on the farm and betters his life for his family? >> well, that is the rub and gets to the high-skilled and low-skilled argument. everybody wants to stamp a green card on to a heidi -- high diploma that somebody has st stamped on to a degree. that was a big problem in 2007 when the immigration bill fell apart and how many folks in for low skilled work like t agriculture and otherha work, a high skilled and that is continuing to be a rub.on and i am more bullish, because i believe that immigration çrefo will pass and chuck schumer. >> you cannot win the election s if you don't. >> and chuck schumer the lead democrat from new york saying we will have 70 votes on it, and marco rubio says we don't have 60 here, and the rub here is border security.
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the republicans want to see a much tighter border before they will agree to any pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants already here. this is an idea where the democrats are weary that the republicans will try to set up triggers on border security that are so secure as to be unattainable to trig ther pathway to citizenship for the illegals who are already here, and that is the debate that you will start to see. if there is real compromise that is where i would look for it to happen, and without that, it is going to be hard to get a bill through. >> and senator jeff flake was on this program and i talked to him about the ongoing debate of border surt security, and he said, look, this is tough where we are right now. it is tough. i want the play that. >> from my perspective, it has a long way to go. the bill introduced is a starting point, but still, i would nout expect the house the take up the senate bill as it is. >> we ought thought, maggie, a problem with the house, and not a piece of cake, but now 70
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votes in the senate? >> i was surprised that schumer said that to be candid, because nobody believes that is where it is going to be ending up. at least now. >> and do youç believe there i whiplash this with, because i have said it is going to happen, but it is not, it is going to happen, but it is not, and all along this is going to be a tough slog. >> and it is all along a tough slog for the reasons that you said. conservatives screaming amnesty, and they don't want na athat, a that is what you will hear, and regardless of what is happening in the senate, the house is not happy with the bill and what it ultima ultimately ends up looking like and that is be the real fight is. >> and maggie haberman and chris, thank you for being here. did you bring the umbrellas with you? >> i did. >> well, we will have a car for you. because right now, we are getting socked and tropical storm andrea is to thank or blame which ever way you want the look at it. florida hit first, and they had high winds and flooding and all of it is moving north quickly and hitting georgia and the
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we just got a tweet from senator john mccain who says he isç on his way to guantanamo b and he is with senate chairman dianne feinstein and dennis mcdonough, and they plan to look at the situation and review the situation there, and the situation is that we have 103 inmates at gitmo who have been on a hunger strike and a new statement from the military that 41 of them are being forced fed and that is a tweet, and we have not independently confirmed that at nbc news, but john mccain going with dianne feinstein and the white house chief of staff
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to gitmo today. developing now, we have the new jobs report number released a hour ago, andless than an hour ago actually. american employers continued the steady pace of hiring in may. 175,000 jobs were added, and that is better than expected, but the unemployment rate still ticked up 1/10 of a point to 7.6%. the labor department says it is reflective of the people looking for work, and stimulated jobs in april. but the economy needs 63,000 jobs per month to bring down the unemployment rate to 6% in the next six years. we go to our correspondent jim tankersley. jim? the way that nbc put it is despite theç anticipation of t summer swoon, the u.s. economy continued to make jobs at a relatively steady pace in may. good news or asterisk? >> there is good news and of course, an asterisk. >> always. >> the good news is that we are
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creating jobs and drawing people back into the labor force and we like that. that is a good trend, but the bad news is that the jobs we are creating are not good of them. half of them are from restaurants and drinking establishments, and retail and temporary work. that is not the quality of the job that we'd like to be seeing right now. >> look at the numbers with business and professional services with gains of 57,000 and leisure and hospitality and retail and health care. the highest rate of unemployment continues to be in the african-american community as well with teenagers as 1 in 4 teens can't get the job. if the economy is coming back, when might we see tangible evidence in these groups that have been so hard hit? >> well, we are going to need a higher tide to lift all of those boats. this is the problem, we have job growth, but it is not enough. as you said, there's still a long way to go to get back to 6% unemployment, and we have still 12 million people looking for work and can't find it. so this is a problem.
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the groups hit hardest are going to continue to hit hard until we have robust growth and job growth. >> there is another economic number that we saw in the u.s. >> well, it is misleading, because it tells us overall wealth, but it does not say what is happen ing ing to the averag american family. the average american family as reports have said has a long way to go to make back up the wealth it has lost, and huge stock gains are driving wealth at the people of the top and making the overall number rise in a way that masks the problems in the mild and the bottom. >> jim tankersley, it is always good to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> next hour, president obama will use a speech in north
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to politics now where at least two irs agents in ohio told congressional investigators for saying, don't blame us for going after conservative groups, blame washington. you recall when the former acting irs commissioner testified about the former agency mess, he said that tea party groups were targeted without washington knowing.
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and now some investigations come from ohio agents who say their orders came from d.c. one time hopeful and congresswoman michele bachmann says she is not ruling out another white house run in 2016. when asked in the interview, bachmann said, i'm not taking anything off of the table. a new poll out shows that 53% of americans believe it should be legal for same s-sex marriage couples to be marry and this is a 14-point bump since obama announced he backed same-sex marriage. and john dingell is the oldest congressman. 57 years and 177 days he has served and he told chuck todd that the contentiousness on the hill has reached a new high. >> today, it is far worse. m and anger, and ill-will around this place than ever has, and truthfully, it is the worst i have ever seen it. >> and when super bowl champs,
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president for two days. the setting is totally different than a typical state visit and the hope is that the atmosqxere will allow the two leaders to be more relaxed and candid. i want to bring in michael hirsch, chief correspondent for the national joussh national jo the article "america lost its nerve" and the reluctance to deal with the chinese. and now let's talk about the relationship of the two leaders and why you are arguing that the u.s. is reluctant to deal with china. >> well, first, let's look at what came before this sunnylands summit which is about a lot of hack talk between the leaders who are meeting for the first time. chuck hagel the defense secretary recently went to a regularly scheduled meeting in singapore and got an earful from the chinese about the so-called u.s. pivot to asia which is countering chinese influence, and we have stories railing in
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washington about scyber securit, and the surveillance state which is a big issue between the u.s. and china as well, and the point is that underlying what is going to be, you know, a nice photogenic summit in california are a lot of tensions that are still disturbing the u.s./china relationship, and they are far from being resolved. >> and as you know, three lawmakers are introducing a bill punishing hackers backed by china. %-pthat >> i have always been disappointed how irresponsibly china and its government has acted and the way they do not respect property rights, and they don't respect intellectual property, and until china begins to behave properly, i don't think that they really can lay claim to being a world power, world status. >> this is the backup that we believe for it to have teeth. candidly, we believe they will come out with good discussions, but it will not change their behaviors. >> and mike rogers does not
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believe that anything will change. the chinese have insisted they are the victims and not the perpetrators in the hacking cases, and though, what can the administration do reasonably? >> well, out of this particular summit meeting we expect no so-called deliverables and in other words, no agreement will be signed between president xi and president obama, and they are testing the waters and feeling each other out, and personal rapport can make a huge difference even between two giant powers who have otherwise chilly relations as the u.s. and china sometimes do, and it is not quite the u.s. and the soviet union in the cold war, but recall all that got done between reagan and mikhail gorbachev in the final years of the existence, but it is possible that out of the good frank chats that white house officials believe are expected here, and nothing scripted as is the case with u.s./china summits and out0of that can come perhas some agreement on the scyber
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security, and the u.s. has asked china to meet with it in a regular series of conferences to discuss hacking, and how it can be contained. you know, many people like perhaps mike rogers are very skeptical it will produce anything as one official put it to me, it is sort of like elliott ness going to al capone and saying, can we contain the production of alcohol. it is not going to go anywhere. but it also does not hurt to have these kinds of personal discussions that we are going to see for two days between obama and xi. >> let me ask you quickly about north korea, because it does seem that both countries have common interest there in that they don't want to see kim jiang un doing anything. >> well, perhaps china's only real ally in east asia, and the
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same time the north koreans have rebuke and repudiated china as they have tried to restrain the nuclear program, so there may be some constructive discussions here about resurrecting the six-party talks which included u.s. and china putting the pressure on the young north korean leader and thatç is onef the areas where you will see agreement. >> michael hirsch, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. checking the news feed this morning. three crew members were killed when their medical held kaicopt crashed in kentuckiment they were on the way back from taking a patient to the hospital. of course, the faa and the ntsb will investigate. it is day two of the pretrial hear hearing at the george zimmerman case. there is testimony from a key witness who recalls hearing screams from trayvon martin on the night he was killed. today the state is expected to present several witnesses who
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say they can, too, identify the voices. yesterday, a audio engineer testified for the defense saying that the tape has poor quality. zimmerman claiming that he acted in self-defense in the killing. and today, senator frank lautenberg was buried at arlington national cemetery with his wife receiving the flag draped over his casket. he died monday at the age of 89. the queen's husband prince philip is having exploratory abdominal surgery today. he was admitted yesterday and expected toç be there for two days for observation. he turns 92 monday. vladimire putin and his wife appeared on state television just after a visit to the ball lay, and then announced they will divorce or have divorced. they would have celebrated their 30th anniversary in two months.
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just did it again. a second child with cystic fibrosis, 11-year-old javier acosta gets a new chance at adult lungs, too, and huge advantage when you consider that the vast majority of lung donations comes from adults, but the ruling raises huge questions of policy separating the child andç the adult donor list, and the argument is that it was put there for a reason, a good medical reason. joining me from pennsylvania isstein harvey, the attorney representing both of the young transplant hopefuls. arthur caplan is a bioethicist, and good morning, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> your first victory came when the judge ruled that sarah moynihan should be put on the adult list and the same for javier, but monday, the board overseeing transplant will consider change, and was that your change? >> well, my hope was to get
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relief to protect my first client sarah moynahan and when i learned of javier, i wanted relief of him. i was mindful that there may be other children out there in these circumstances and may call me and whether they call me or not, my firm took this case as a pro bono matter and we want to protect the children though they are not our clients. there are not that many children who are in javier and sarsarah' situation. we believe that medical evidence that we put forth suggests that there is less than 16 children in the entire country who would be in a position to use an adult lung as our two clients have. we don't see why we don't, and why we think that the otpn should do ruling monday is to setç aside the what we call th "under 12 rule" and while it studies the matter more but protecting the children in the meantim meantime. >> arthur n the ruling judge boylston aimed fire at hhs secretary kathleen sebelius saying that she did not protect
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the children, and says that the policy discriminating against children and serves no purpose, arbitrary, and capricious and abuse of discretion. what's your reaction to what has happen here? >> tough words. >> absolutely. >> tough words. i think that the policy was set to try and handle it, the dilemma, if you will the large organs from adults and large lungs not fitting into the small children. there is not great data out there on how well kids do with the lung transplants, and you have to use a piece of the lung frequently in the child. the age of 12 is somewhat arbitrary, and roughly the line at which a large full lung would not fit into a kid, and then you have to take a piece and try to transplant that. and lung transplant surgeons are weary it is not going to work as well and that is why the policy was formed. it is important to prez on the policy, but the best place to get the rule revised, if you will, is in a courtroom or in
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the congress or on the media. i think that you want to get the scientific evidence there about survival and have that done in the medical setting by medical people. >>ç which is exactly, steven, what kathleen sebelius's argument was and i know that you are aware that the medical reasons are that adult lungs won't fit children, and that the operation is obviously an intensive one given the difference of the size of lungs and that adults fare better than children, and also the issue of an adult who stays on the list and who will not get that lung that went to the child instead and arguably he or she may have a better chance of survival. why do you think that your arguments trump those? >> you put a lot out there, and there is a compelling overwhelming response to every single one of them. first the judge balson did not suggest that he made a decision on the merits that the judge's decision is arbitrary and
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capricious and that we win it on the merits as he indicated in the hearing, he was dictated largely by what is called, what we call in the law the possibility of immediate and irreparable harm. and the death of two children while we debate this policy qualifies as immediate and irreparable harm. if you listen to the comments at the hearing, that is the primary motivator for his ruling. i know that art and i have spoken in the past, and he is a bioethicist and he is not a doctor. and we did hear from a doctoz hn this case, and what we heard was exactly contrary to what was just said and that is that this type of surgery using a lung from an adult can be done, and it can be done very safely. there is a reason why it has not been done a lot, and that is because there are not that many pediatric lung transplants, but there is a study a study from australia that shows and suggests that it is very safe, and the organ procurement and
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transplantation network in the may 30th letter to the secretary recognized on page 6 that outcomes for this type of surgery are comparable to the other type of surgery, and they say although the study sizes are small. so the evidence suggests that the surgery does work. that was not the reason that was suggested by the, by the optn for the policy back when they set it back in 2005. that is not the case at all. what they said back in 2005, and what they said in the may 30th letter is that we didn't have the data to know whether we could judge children by the same standard that we judge adults, and that is essentially a standard called the lung allocations corps, and it is primarily based on the severity and so that the rank -- >> i have to get art back in here, because we need to wrap it up and we are almost out of time. art, as medicine goes forward, are these types of debates not only çinevitable, but helpful? >> they are inevitable, and
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somewhat helpful. i understand to fight for the rights of the kids if the medical facts don't support that they don't do as well or the surgeons are not as weary to try kids. there are people at the bottom of organs, and they may try to sue their way to the top. end on a positive note to get more organs in the system, and we won't solve the shortage if everybody signs up, but that will make these cases rarer. >> thank you, both of you. ing tg like it's a small horse is frowned upon in this establishment! luckily though, ya know, i conceal this bad boy underneath my blanket just so i can get on e-trade. check my investment portfolio, research stocks... wait, why are you taking... oh, i see...solitary. just a man and his thoughts. and a smartphone... with an e-trade app. ♪ nobody knows... [ male announcer ] e-trade.
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mitt romney is holding an exclusive retreat in utah and the big question is why? several gop potential presidential candidates are there, but the aides say there is no specific agenda. the washington post made this observation, romney has not exactly loosened up. when the former gop nominee suddenly appeared on the lounge
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on the way to the kickoff festivities he responded to the ambitions of the conference by grabbing his wife's hand and scampering out of the door.ç let me bring in the former strategist and oinitial the the obama campaign. you have potential candidates rand paul and chris christie and even paul ryan, but after the keynote address by mitt romney, there is still confusion about what this is about. what do you think? >> well, mitt romney to me is like the doll chuckie keeps coming back and back and back. >> and you wish he would go away? >> as a gop strategist i have to tell you that there was a lot of money spent, and it was a $1 billion race, chris, and a lot of people have a bad taste in their mouth and they are like
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march madness move -- mitt romney, move on. the policies were agreed and i will say that i agreed with most of the policies, but he had a bad connection problem. i used to make a joke when he would announce no the audience, attention earthling, because he was so stiff. >> and to add to the confusion, former clinton administration insider erskine bowles is there, and l.a.'s major antonio villaraigosa is there. and what is mitt romney on? >> it is unfair for him to get the victory tour. >> you are wrong. >> and i can't understand why you are doing such a disserve from the young man from utah or o massachusetts or whatever he is from. >> is it wrong? >> well, what the agenda is for the put a coat on the campaign to suggest it was more effective than it was. i mean, what we now know as we look back is that all of the statistics from last year getting revised in obama's
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direction. the unemployment was lower than appeared and the gap was higher than generally reported, but romney is trying to do the best as anyone in a loss, and they are not ready to pack up the toys and go home, to try to rewrite what happened a little bit. >> and we want to get a little bit of what he said in. so let's play that. >> i wish that the hurricane wouldn't have happened when it did, because gave the president a chance to be presidential and out showing sympathy for folks, and that is one of the advantages of incumbency. >> and he did mention the 47%. >> these are horrible things that i am up here having, and i won't defend that, but the comment is true, because when hurricane sandy happened, you had, you know, president obama being our president. >> are you going to blame chris christie? >> no, if any moron who was going to vote for mitt romney and voted to obama for a ç photo-op, that is ri de--
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ridiculous. >> well, presidential elections with incumbents are about performance. if katrina had happened after the election instead of before, george w. bush would have lost. so in dealing with the disaster is a legitimate measure. >> it was a photo-op. they are saying that he lost the election and chris christie embraced obama. >> and do you believe that? >> no, it did not. >> it did not change the outcome of the election? >> no. >> fair enough. >> and it made obama look presidential and mitt romney look like a campaigner. this is a fact. i like mitt romney, but i am stating a fact that what he said is the truth. it is unfortunate the event happened. >> and you are also saying that you don't believe it affected the outcome? and with or without sandy? >> they both agreed it did not change the end of the election. and thank you both for coming in. that is going to wrap up this hour for jansing & company.
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looking at every corner of your digital life, and we have it covered for you. i'm thomas roberts and topping the agenda, spying on your e-mails and internet searches and you name it, the nsa can see it, and now we are learning that they have direct access to nine major internet companies including google, facebook and apple. it is part of the top secret program code named prism. these companies deny knowledge of the nsa's operation, and apple saying it has neverç hea of it, and facebook, we do not provide any governmental organization with access and google saying it does not have a backdoor for the government, and here is the guardian's glenn greenwald who broke the story. >> there is a massive state that the u.s. government has built up that has extraordinary imxlagsings for how we live as americans and in the country. >> james clapper reacting with this quote, information
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