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are being targeted but no special ca special card companies have been targeted. president obama gave a personal response to it all on the road this afternoon in california. >> the people who are involved in america's national security they take this work very seriously. they cherish our constitution. the last thing they'd be doing is taking programs like this to listen to somebody's phone calls. by the way with respect to my concerns about privacy issues, i will leave this office at some point in the next three and a half years and after that i'll be a private citizen. i suspect that on a list of people who might be targeted so that somebody could read thaer

e-mails or listen to their phone calls, i'd probably be pretty high on that list. it's not as if i don't have a personal interest in making sure my privacy is protected, but i know that the people who are involved in these programs operate like professionals. these things are very narrowly circ circ circumscribed. they are very focused. in the abstract you can complain about big brother and how this is a potential program run a muck. when you actually look at the details then i think we've struck the right balance. >> the president also criticized news outlets for what he called hyping the story. he pointed out the stories have been authorized by congress going back before his time. is the president correct in believing the administration is striking the right balance or is the government gone too far.

our first guest today ran counter operations for the cia. the congressman strike rogers had some interesting intel to spread on this today. >> within the last few years this program was used to stop a program -- stop a terrorist attack in the united states. we know that. >> i think if people, more people knew that they might feel a little differently about this. i generally feel like the deep state sort of becomes an enemy of its own because if we see it then we get freaked out but if we realize that when it's successful it's invisible. we never get to know when it benefits us. >> no we don't know for sure that it is beneficial to us because dwoewe don't know detai. it's been held in great secrecy for many years. we know everyone's communication could be gathered and are gathered whether they will

listen to in particular we don't know that for sure. according to the rules of the court in which eight judges pass on probable cause to go into an investigation based on some of the communications, they are judicious people but again the question is what is probable cause to make the government look a little bit closer at those intercepted communications. they've got the stuff. it's there collected in huge amounts but it's not detailed. it's not particular. it can only be particular when an investigation is focused and that is a judgment the court acting on the request of the fbi in particular which would carry out an investigation. without knowing all the details

it's very difficult to say whether it's a necessary program. >> citizens are saying, we would like to know what's going on. why aren't you telling us what you're doing? these methods and mechanisms of conducting intel and counter terrorism only knows if we're doing it. the secrecy is necessary for us to have any effect. >> well, professional terrorist, those who have actual training in the methodology of terrorism know this. they assume that they're communications whether telephone calls, whether internet messages, they are subjected to interception by the government. they assume that they are. the same is true of foreign intelligence service personnel. we knew the soviets did this frequently in the past during

the cold war. much of this program was born in the '80s when we were having real counter intelligence problems. we had some people in the cia and fbi that were long term agents of the soviets. when that was breaking it became really obvious that we needed better track on this kind of activity. that's how it was born. it's problem that became magnified after 9/11 and the expansion of the authorities through the patriot act which allow them to collect really everything that came from te technological capabilities.

>> a lot of doors were open for what they consider more vacuum cleaner style surveillance, taking it all in phone information, data, who is talking to whom and for how long. a lot of what we're seeing. the problem with what the president outlined today is it sounded a lot like a trust me defense. it sounded a lot like if you could look at these details you'd see that we're judicious but we can't see the details. the details that have been provided are misleading. when they say they have 200 requests, it sound doesn't sound like that many. what do you think the government can do without revealing sources and methods to get more honest and transparent with the public so we can have a democratic

decision about how far these programs should go? >> i think there has to be broad understanding of exactly what does happen. are we concern eed that communications are going to be listened to. i want to think about what i've done in the past. i've communicated with people that turn out to be terrorists. was all that subjected to collection? yes, it was. did anything? not that i know. i don't know what's happened. we haven't had a full exposition of the problem. if it comes from the analysts at the fbi saying we need more information on these people they have to go through court in order to start an investigation.

we don't know what it takes. >> the administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. mr. obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. that's from a new york times editorial, not some obama hating house republican. i'm not going to ask you to weigh in on the politics or the hypocrisy of this but you tell me based on everything you know. what are americans supposed to make of all this? >> it means that anything you communicate is subject to interception either by friendlies meaning u.s. agencies or foreign agencies. this is just one of the great weaknesses of the internet, the great weakness of all communication technologies that

exist now unless there was some special secure communication capabilities available to the ordinary person. >> at the same point the wall street journal calls it little scandal. a lot of opinions going around about this. thank you so much for being here. what does all this mean for you? up next info you should have been your next tweet or friend request from an expert on these companies. it's prince's birthday so let's play that. ♪

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the president defended the government's monitoring of phone records today as well as a big story, a review of people's activities online. the program is named prism. as we mentioned it taps directly into the servers of at least nine american internet companies to gather chats, e-mail, audio and video con tent. administration officials express it's legally authorized and does not focus on american targets but the program seems to create a live database for the government to search whatever it wants. that enables it to gou there oversight questions. the ap asked is big data turning

government into big brother? our next guest is conducting a study on the internet kpacompan. joining us is mike washington. thanks for being here. >> glad to be here. >> we were just speaking in the previous segment about how much you can be seen and tracked when communicating online. the courts have tried to strike a middle ground. what do you think about the notion that the government is tapping into these web companies and if you had the same experience physically. if a government agent or police officer walked into your house and read your e-mails that might upset a lot of people. the virtual nature of this seems to lower our standards. >> it's not known what the criteria the government needs to

meet before they can look at an individual's data. what seems to be happening because of the huge flood of information is the government is collecting first and looking at specific pieces of it. the real problem is the details aren't out there. we need a little more transparency and debate about what's going on. >> michael, do you think we should expect to see some corporate push back whether it's from phone companies like verizon on the phone records or internet companies like facebook and google and corporatinons sik and tired of being put into a position to share customers information. >> two years ago when i was a professor at georgetown i was the co-chair of a very important study that tech america did on

cloud policy. what are the policies that will allow people to use the cloud with confidence. one of the top issues is clarifying when law enforcement and intelligent agencies can get access to cloud data centers. there's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of american companies that are having a hard time selling to foreign businesses that don't trust their services. they think nsa is inside. >> one of the things american company s not having hard time doing is snooping on our data just the same way the nsa is. the government says they are doing it in the interest of national security. these corporations are just following what we're doing. should we be more information about that too? >> there's certain things you do to avoid feeling you're being watched every moment. you can look at the different providers. see what their privacy policies

are. they keep changing. the other thing is there are encrypted e-mail services so if you're concerned about whether the u.s. government or any government is reading your e-mail you can get software that will encrypt your files. nobody can read them as they move across the network. only the person who is supposed to get it can read it. >> do we happen to know, do any of these terrorist suspects turn to enscription? >> some of them have. you can put messages and embed them inside of photographs. rather than sending e-mail they can put a message inside a photograph and post it and someone can down load it and decode the message in the photo. it's a few bits of information hidden in megabits it's very

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some of the stories top of the news cycle, tropical storm andrea soaking a third of the american population. it's expected to pass off the jersey shore sometime tomorrow. the senate has begun debate on that immigration bill. cyber crime in north chkore and trade are expected to be on the agenda be president obama

and xi. another not great but not bad friday jobs numbers. the economy added 175,000 jobs. a bit better than expected but still far below what's needed to make a dent many the numbers. if it's job's friday at the cycle, here they are again. i was hoping i was reading it wrong but the dynamic duo is here. seems like groundhog day on jobs growth but not great growth. is this it? some are saying it's the new normal. i said it but both you guys jumped on me. >> i couldn't call it the new normal. it's a pace that's not fast enough to bring down the unemployment rate. one of the thing wes see going on is this game of musical

chairs where you have more kind of players coming into the game. we had over 400,000 people enter the labor market last month and not enough chairs for them to sit in. it's that kind of supply demand that's not matching up well enough to bring the rate down as quickly as we need to. that said, 175,000 is not a terrible number by any stretch. >> peter, tell us why he's wrong. >> 175,000 is a number that's consistent with an economy that's growing along at about 2, 2.5% which is half of what we accomplished with reagan. it's not as sexy as number.

>> it's kind of sexy. >> peter, the president's meeting with xi ping today. you have a column out where you said shelve diplomacy and get tough on china. >> they've had five years to take on china and they chose not too. we'll come out of these talks. this is like dating a guy who will never marry you. >> some people do that. >> you should behave better. >> it's one thing to say here is what you should do and another to say what you should do.

trying to manage their currencies in order to give their exports an edge is a lot harder than it sounds. senator brown from ohio who i think thinks about this very clearly gave a talk in d.c. i believe he talked about legislation that would be implemented to go after folks that manage their currencies in that way. it's one thing to jawbone and do something different. >> peter, what would you do? >> i've made suggestions. i would put a tax on the conversion of dollar which would equalize the currency. plenty of solutions have been suggested by economists across the spectrum. this president doesn't want to upset china. he's not much different than george bush and it's really

unfortuna unfortunate. plenty of suggestions have been put over there and the phone never rings back telling come over here and show me how you do it. >> the payroll taxes have gone up or the payroll holiday was erased. american con sierms are paying $200 billion more plus the sequester cuts. is that hurting consumers at all in. >> you might think it would be but it's some of the consumer sectors whether we're seeing better job growth. if you look at restaurant, kind of hospitality side of job market they've been adding employment. where we've been hit is manufacturing. we talked about that be with china and our exports but also government. the federal government has lost 45,000 jobs over the past three months and you can pretty much draw a line in that graph where sequestration begins. that's part of story pause that's folks directly affected.

you have defense contractors on the private side who are seeing furloughs. >> you're telling us we have twor ri about defense contractors scrambling the policies. can you evaluate at all what that would actually look like and how that would affect people. >> sure. i wrote about this week complaining about how overly skiddish the markets, the equity, the stock markets are right now on this. it's not that the fed is going to take away the punch bowl. that's what we always say when the fed starts to pull back on some of their monetary stimulus. they will start addingless punch

in. when they start to cut back it will be with a straw and not a ladle. the federal reserve is well aware of the nervousness nesne markets about this. a lot of what we see with the volatility is overreaction. >> peter, a final word. >> we've seen a lot of overreaction. the feds opportunity to scale back are limited because of what the japanese are up to. they have depressed their interest rates so much. when they scale back the value of the dollar will rocket with interest rates. that's going to be very bad for exports which means it has to happen very slowly in manner that was described. >> excellent segment. come back soon. one florida woman has the retirement package we all wish we had. 84-year-old gloria mackenzie

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i smoke four packs of cigarettes a day. i have about four drinks day. i'm 55 years old and i look as good as you do. >> harsh. long before bravo's housewives or jersey shore there's one man who personified trash tv. his name was morton downey jr. it was his show that launched him as the father of trash television. our next guest is behind a provocative dm ri on the rise and fall of the premier abrasive talk show host. with us now is the film's director and the founder of iron bound films.

their documentary opens in select theaters nationwide. i told you this when i saw you after the film. i'm amazed at how much of mort is in my business today. he was really out of his time. >> i think when we started out making the film we start thinking he's gone in person but he's here in spirit. you need to watch a glen beck or rush limbaugh or on the radio there's a little piece of mort in the guys. we definitely had the feeling that he have ready for his comeback. >> yeah. your film also brought into startling clarify for me just how well behive ehaved and civi

we are. i can't imagine him saying you fat [ expletive ] side down. >> i can't imagine treating them the way he did. are there different rules now? >> i think that mort really started and pioneered a certain kind of show where the audience was part of the show. i think it's different now specifically because a lot of shows on cable news and others are in a vacuum. it's cold studio and the host sits there and they talk to people by satellite. i think the difference may be that. he would get up into the face of his guest and he could blow cigarette smoke at them. he would engage with them, scream at them. you don't see that anymore.

you'll see a cranky bill o' reilly or a teary eyed glen beck. >> you show the audience coming up and getting that attention and a lot of times his anger which could have been totally made up but really channelled the unrest of the time. you saw that on race relations. you saw that on economic issues. you saw that on attitudes toward foreigners. you get all that in the movie. how did he tap into that. >> the thing i learned most about morton and tv in general is it's a big act. he was a very spontaneous guy. there was sort of a chain of command. he had an excellent executive

producer who runs clear channel who had an exact idea of what kind of show he wanted to put on. it was going to be after he created mtv something that appealed to that crowd. john pine has a show where he was a populous entertainer. it was the mold that they were going for. >> this show is not part of that thi thing. we're completely spontaneous. i think part of the differential in historical terms is he had such an impact when john stewart was on cross fire and made them look so crazy, it had a big shift. i want to play a little clip from the film that i really love and talk about that for a second. >> sure. >> he had a domineering father. i think he had a real reaction to that.

>> he was obsessed than saying i'm more famous than my father. i make more money. more americans see me. when i came back an hour later it looked like confetti. >> my dad was always trying to live up to his father, i think. >> it's very interesting insight to see this guy, this alpha guy was dealing with his father image, these daddy issues. >> that was quite a revelation. we talk to a lot of his colleagues and family and friends and that was the nilt that kept getting beaten. he was very famous of his father's fame. >> a big singer in the '20, '30s. >> he was one of the first recording stars. he was paling around with the kennedys. his father was best buds with joe kennedy. mort wanted to be more famous

than his dad. we kept hearing that from the people around him. when he turned 55 he hit that fame. you have a lot of pent up creativity and energy. >> one of the points that ari made after the movie is his run was so short lived. he got so famous so fast and then it was gone. >> it was. it was a quick ride. started in '87, '88 peaked, '89 off. this one of the first place where is people my age got to know those people. >> you think it's fair to say he challenged television? >> i think he had an impact on

television. things were polite up until him. mort came in and shook things up. i think that opened the flood gates for what followed. >> "springer." >> the crazy shows like springer on one side and the populous and the demagoguing and fox news. >> ultimately he was kind of in addition to the daddy issues he was a tragic figure at the end. >> he was a chain smoker and it caught up with him. he died of lung cancer and when he was diagnosed with cancer his personala very much so softened. people who knew him later remarked how sweet it was and what a giving guy. he sort of went on an apology tour to some of the people.

he called alan up from his death bed to apologize. he said you don't need to apologize. i loved that show. that was the best time of my career. he softened up. >> it was a really, really interesting film. very funny. people in my generation that might have just miss mort. it was eye opening and really great. we appreciate you coming onto talk about it. >> i'm thrilled to be here and i hope everyone will go to itunes or on demand to watch it. >> good. thank you very much. up next, get out the tricyc tricycle. we've got a big announcement.

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>> good job. >> crystal, we're so happy for you and that picture is adorable. you know lowell is a place in massachusetts that holds a particular spot in my heart and steve's. is that why you picked the name? >> that did not occur to me. >> tell us about the name. >> i have an uncle who passed away prematurely and his name was lowell. it has family meaning. >> that's wonderful. >> my husband jonathan grandfather's name. that is where they came from. for whatever reason i really wanted him to have family names or historical names or something like that. >> that is so sweet. >> we're delighted. >> we're so happy for you and jonathan and ella. i never forget the first moments

after the baby came out an my first son wanted to eat and my daughter wanted to sleep. what is the first thing that lowell wanted to do? >> he only cried for five seconds and then he was con tent just to be held and it's been very sweet an very content little baby. that was his first thing he just wanted to snuggle and lay there. >> looks like he's got a lot of hair. you said he was over eight pounds? >> yes. eight pounds, four ounces. they told me last week he was going to be on the small side. obviously not on the small side. when he was born jonathan and i thought he looked tiny because ella when she was born was nine pounds, one ounce. in comparison to her he did look tiny. we were shocked. >> how is ella?

>> how long did the labor take? >> ella is great. she just met her little brother about 15, 20 minutes ago. they've already bonded. she likes the name excited. the labor was lengthy. as you know, i wasn't on the show yesterday because this whole process started yesterday morning. but things didn't really kick into high gear until today. so the actual hard laboring process and delivery and all that was not too long. maybe, oh, six hours, seven hours. something like that. >> and krystal, i mean, you sound great. how do you feel? >> well, at the moment i feel great. i've still got the epidural kicking in, so that's -- >> nice. >> my sister-in-law says that it should be every woman's right to have one of those every day. in the moment, i sort of agree. so we'll see how i feel when that wears off. but at the moment i really do, i

really do feel so great and, you know, i'll be back on monday. no, just kidding. >> you'll be back on monday? it's amazing that you worked right up until the last day and you didn't know he was about to come, but, i mean, you know, there's no rest for the weary with you. you're a sort of wonderwoman. >> well, you know what, i don't know that there was anything really wonderwoman about it. with ella, i stopped working in advance, and i just went crazy. i was just going nuts and thinking every day this baby is never going to come. so for me, psychologically, it was better just to keep working until the last minutes which is what i did. i don't know if it was wonderwoman. for me, it was the easier choice and now i get to have a little more time with baby on the other side here. >> yeah. well, we love you and we miss you. >> i love you guys and miss you, too. i have to say, i am a little bit disappointed that the show hasn't totally fallen apart in the two days --

>> you'd be surprised. >> -- that i'm not there. >> oh, it has. it has, krystal. it has. i told you. >> i don't know what they're talking about. >> actually, crystal -- >> i fotold you, you can take three days. that's it. you can take three days then i need you back here to deal with these guys. >> i know, s.e., i sincerely apologize for leaving you alone with those two. >> it's a lot of boyishness when you're not around. now s.e. is pulling her hair out. not just me, but ari, too. >> i was going to say, krystal, we're not supposed to talk about meetings on air that much, but we had weird meetings today that would have been more professional had you been there, i am certain. >> yeah, she does bring a leavening adulthood. >> a wonderwoman professionalism. we're so excited and happy for you and your family and can't wait to are you back here and talk more soon, krystal. >> yep, see you soon. miss you all. >> okay. bye. >> bye. and from sweetness and love to, yes, toure's message to

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to the american heritage dictionary of idioms emerged in the 1970s from basketball culture as a way to express the moment of defiantly and audaciously asserting your will on another man. it began being used lit rally to describe a moment of conquering another man at such close range that you defeated him while millimeters or less away from his body proving yourself unstoppable even when all up in his personal space. in your face moved from literal to figurative and now it can look like this. >> in your face. in your face. >> or it can look like this. >> i am extraordinarily proud to announce my new national security adviser, our outstanding ambassador to the united nations, susan rice, as well -- [ applause ] >> make no mistake, that last one is every bit as cold as

jordan dunking on ewing because it's worth way more than two points. in the analogy, ewing is the republicans or at least those behind the scandal industrial complex who deal in political theater intended only to embarrass the administration, eat up the clock, try to make people hate or distrust the president, and subvert the democratic process, itself. doesn't really matter if the scandal begins in whitewater or benghazi. the methodology remains the same. leap all mistakes. call them outrageous scandals. make media noise. launch investigations. never let them in. about the president. even if the so-called scandals have nothing to do with the white house at all. eventually the fact of multiple investigations becomes proof of something in and of itself even if those investigations are all fruitless. and each scandal lowers the bar for what else is outrageous, and what else the media must focus on, because surely there's a pattern that proves something about the president. where there's smoke, there's fire. unless there's a smoke machine. obama sees all that and he disdains the silly season in

politics and he believes susan rice is an excellent public servant and someone who is wrong. someone who had nothing to do with what happened that night in benghazi, and someone who's been vindicated by the recently released e-mail trail. and, yet, she was successfully attacked as a way of attacking obama and he probably felt he had to do something to right the injustice done to her. and also, perhaps, to rebuke this scandal industrial complex. and why shouldn't he? why shouldn't he install rights where congress can't block her and leave eric holder alone? why shouldn't he respond to years of gop obstruction and outright subversion of the democratic process with the back of his hand and the people he believes are best for the job? the gop profits from not working with him, from looking like they're defying him so there's no horse trading possible. why shouldn't he dunk on them? as long as his approval stays high and steady, what does he have to fear? of course, the only thing the republicans have to fear is overreach, itself, and they should always fear martin

bashir. >> never fear me. good afternoon, it's friday, june the 7th. and the president says have no fear, there is no big brother watching you. ♪ >> shocking news. >> we all are afraid of big brother. >> big brother is spying on all of us. >> now with obama, we actually have a brother watching us. >> nobody is is listening to your telephone. >> does the nsa collect any type of data? >> no, sir. >> there is this massive surveillance state. >> this program is fully overseen not just by congress, but by the fisa court. the fisa court works. separation of powers works. >> what could be a far more explosive government program. >> with respect to the internet. this does not apply to u.s. citizens. >> unlike during the bush administration -- >> the illegal eavesdropping program. >> -- it's the obama administration. >> there are some tradeoffs. >> he is always trying to