know now the leaker, we think the controversy needs a name. it's a tough one to name, right, john. >> we got a lot of standard phonegate. big brother gate. that or richard haas hates that. char writes the prism kiss m and zach, game of thrones, tip of the hat, you know nothing, edward snoweden. >> richard haas said it's not a gate. this guy broke the law. any gates are nullified according to richard haas you see right now on "morning joe." >> that's pretty good. >> good morning, everybody. >> nancy sinatra. >> monday, june 10th. with us on set the president of the council on foreign relations

author of "foreign policy begins at home the case for putting america's house in order". >> and he's wearing boots. >> do you have them with you right now? >> they're on right now. >> loafers. >> willie, joe and mika. >> good morning, everyone. >> okay. boys. >> look at that. >> it is -- >> we've been accused of being the same person. this proves once and for all we're not. >> separated at birth. >> i don't want to go there. just in a few moments we'll have glenn greenwald who broke the story of the top secret government program that collects massive amounts of phone and internet data from every american. we're going to talk about exact hoy lu your personal security is affected by this as well as what was revealed. lot of questions for him. an appearance you'll see only on "morning joe." his very first interview since the ids density of the leaker was revealed. andrea mitchell goes one on one with the director of national

intelligence, james clapper, for his reaction to the leak. by the way, boys, happy 50th anniversary -- >> willie and i were talking about this yesterday. >> for equal payday, approved on june 10th, 1963. >> equal payday. and some people have the 1 days of christmas. willie and i roll this out, we started this at the end of. >> i i'm not going to mock you on payday spoo you're a smart man. >> i support equal payday. >> you're in good company. you're fine. >> i know. >> you're fine after what you did here. >> i feel fine. >> let's tell me -- let's tell us -- everybody about kinky boots. >> it was a massive -- >> tea a will. >> richard was telling me. >> during the commercial break. >> the tonys, kinky boots, i knew this would happen, they got a few. >> a lot, best musical, original score, lead actor in a musical,

choreography, sound tee sign. harvey didn't win though. >> but cyndi lauper did. >> she was great, fantastic. she also performed her "true colors" song for the people we've lost over the year which was great. look at her. >> i think she was the first woman to win that award. >> gave a great speech. it was a great show. neil patrick harris did a great job. i stayed up too late. >> every time. >> there was some other big winners as well. >> yeah. >> louis was on the red carpet embarrassing us. that coming up. another big tv story unfolding tonight, how is that going to go? >> john oliver is taking over for "the daily show" for the summer. john stoour stewart going off to direct a film. i believe he's a 36-year-old -- might be younger than that -- a young british man. >> yeah. >> and filling big shoes. how would you like that assignment, you have to replace

jon stewart. >> he's filling in for him. it's a tall order. when that show comes up you expect to see jon stewart flipping his papers. >> this weekend i went to see the red sox play. went up to fenway. it was beautiful. you know -- >> gorgeous. >> i was expecting noah, to see noah on friday night. the rain was insane and we thought that saturday would get rained out. took the kids up there and it really was. it was just absolutely gorgeous. it was, you know, almost like field of dreams. >> first place boston red sox. >> yeah. >> amazing what they're doing. >> they're winning. >> best record in the american league. >> second place are the new york yankees. >> we're looking forward to that. >> the orioles won. >> that's great too. >> thank you, thomas. stay in your lane. >> we all have a -- >> all right. this morning we are learning more about edward snoweden and our top story this morning, the government contractor and former

cia employee who leaked the existence of two high-profile nsa programs that target americans' cell phones and some of the most wildly used internet providers in social media networks in the world. he revealed his identity through "the guardian," the uk newspaper that originally ran his story. he's 129 years old and -- 29 years old and reportedly packed up his hawaii apartment and moved suddenly to hong kong in may claiming a need for medical treatment. he had been on a consulting job for the nsa for less than three months and in an interview with "the guardian's" glenn greenwald and filmmaker lawyer poitrus he says he never expects to see his home again. >> i could be rendered by the cia, have people come after me or any of their third-party partners. we have a cia station just up the road at the consulate here in hong kong and i'm sure

they're going to be busy for the next week. and that's a fear i'll live ender the rest of my life. you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk because they're such powerful adversaries no one can meaningfully oppose them. if they want to get you they'll get you in time. >> director of national intelligence james clapper called the leaks gut wrenching. the department of justice confirms a criminal investigation is under way as many law makers calling for punishment under the fullest extent of the law. >> i know your reporter greenwald said he has it all. he doesn't have a thing how this thing works. neither does the person who leaked enough information to be dangero dangerous. taking a sensitive classified program that targeting foreign persons on foreign lands and putting enough out there to be dangerous is dangerous to us,

it's dangerous to our national security and violates the oath of which that person took. i absolutely think they should be prosecuted. >> you too, senator feinstein. >> i do. >> let's bring in glenn greenwald. thank you for being with us. i'm a little confused here. when this story first broke, when your story first broke, we heard a lot of pushback from national security people saying, well this is nothing new, this has been going on for some time, nothing to see here, move along. we're hearing it's gut wrenching, it's a threat to american national security. which is it, glenn? >> it's neither of those. the reality is that u.s. government officials from many decades now and certainly over the last ten years have been abusing their secrecy power to shield from the american public, not programs that are designed to keep america safe and not to prevent disclosures that would help the terrorists, but to conceal their own actions from the people to whom they're supposed to be democratically

accountable. what we disclosed was of great public interest, of great importance in a democracy that the u.s. government is building this massive spying apparatus and harms nobody. anyone who want to say these disclosures have harmed national security i defy anybody to say anything we published in any way. those that have been harmed are no es in power that want to conceal their actions and power to those who they're supposed to be accountable. >> how long has it been going on and becoming more intrusive by the year? >> well, there are several programs we reported on so far and there's a lot more coming. so let's take the first one. the first one that the u.s. government is collecting under the aegis of the secret fisa court the telephone records of every single american on american soil, every single phone call they make,

international, and local, and storing those telephone numbers in a database and constructing massive data files that enable all kinds of intrusive surveillance. experts say that meta data is more intrusive than listening in on your phone calls because it creates this massive picture of you, with whom you speak, where you are, how long you speak with them, what the reasons are. you look at the what the government is doing with silicon valley, these companies that are now the repository for more communication information about human beings around the planet that any other place, facebook, google, yahoo! skype, all of them and this constant negotiation betweens the government and the companies to allow the government access to enormous amounts of data all done in the dark with no public accountability. this is the kind of thing that whistle blowers are supposed to be doing is coming forward and informing their fellow citizens about what's taking place. >> didn't members of congress know about this, number one, and aren't all the programs that have been revealed legal?

>> first of all, as far as whether members of congress have known about it, many did not. even the ones who did, let me direct you and your viewers to two senators in particular, ron wyden and mark udall. google mark udall, ron wyden and the patriot act and what you will see those senators on the senate intelligence committee have been trying to warn americans, vocally as they can for years, saying the following, the way that the obama administration is interpreting the patriot act using secret legal interpretations is so warped and so extremist, that in their words americans would be stunned to learn. that's their words. stunned to learn about the surveillance of the obama administration is engaging in on american citizens. >> what is it -- >> why haven't the senators -- >> what is it that the obama administration is doing that is so stunning? can you tell us exactly what they're saying? >> i just told you. i just told you what it is, mika. we reported on it. it's that the american -- that

the nsa is collecting the telephone records of every single human being in the united states without any reguard to whether they engage in wrongdoing. tapping into their on-line chats, on-line calls, on-line interactions of every sort and the problem is those senators are constrained by law from doing or saying anything about it. you can say all you want. oh, the white house has gone to congress and briefed them on it, but when you impose restraints on what they can do about it, even their ability to warn the american public about it, that kind of consoletation is impotent, meaningless, even those senators couldn't tell us what they wanted to know. it took a brave whistleblower to come forward and it tell us. >> the president said on friday i welcome a debate with those who disagree with me about these programs. you can't talk about these programs publicly so that's going to be a muted debate. glenn, i want to continue on just how expansive this program has become and how it's even gone past the original confines of what people expected the

patriot act to be interpreted as. james sensen brenner, who is a republican, very conservative, the author of the patriot act, says this goes well beyond what he and others anticipated the patriot act to be used for. can you give us some specifics, some more specifics about just how much more expansive from what you've told -- i'm sure we're going to find -- we're going to -- i'm sure we're going to learn much, much more in the coming weeks and months and so many things we're being told right now will end up not being true as well because that's the way stories like this go. but from what you know right now, how has this administration and the bush administration expanded the patriot act well beyond what the authors intended originally? >> let me answer that in two ways. so if you go back and read the debates about the patriot act when they were first introduced, the reason it was so

controversial it was always the case for the government to target individuals and convince a court to allow them to have access to their records you had to have probable cause the person was engaged in wrong doing. the patriot act lowered that standard. now all you need is a reasonable basis to believe that person is involved in wrong doing before you can get their records and that was controversial, considered a radical departure from the way the united states is supposed to work. even back then, nobody thought, and just go read the debates about the patriot act in 2001 and early 2002, nobody had any inkling that the government would ever use the patriot act not to target specific individuals and say there's reasonable basis or probable cause to believe there's wrongdoing but to use the patriot act to say this entitles to collect records for every american regardless of whether or not we've done anything wrong. that was never the intention even by the radical people who advocated the patriot act that is how it would be used and that's what senator widen and senatorudsle have been saying. what the nsa is, we are putting

trillions of dollars into developing extremely sophisticated technology, the idea, the objective of this, is to enable the nsa to monitor every single conversation and every single form of human behavior anywhere in the world. >> that's -- >> if that is something we want our government to be doing we should have an open debate about that. not have it done in secret. >> this is an important question that affects all of us. we have to put it in perspective. i want to bring richard haas in. quickly, i just want an answer, yes or no, isn't it the case that reviewing of e-mails or any wiretapping cannot take place without an additional warrant from a judge and a review? it's not like there's haphazard probing into all of our personal e-mails. can we put this in context so we understand exactly what it's going on. >> the white house talking points that you're using are completely misleading and false. the whole point of what the bush administration did, when it disregarded and violated the fisa long and the congress on a

bipartisan basis enacted a new surveillance law in 2008, was to enable the nsa to read e-mails between people in the united states and people outside of the united states without having first to go to a fisa court and get a warrant. the only time individual warrants are feeded is when two people are both inside the united states and are both american citizens. but under that law, the u.s. government and the nsa have the power and exercise the power to listen in on telephone conversations and read e-mails, all kinds of american citizens. the senate has been repeatedly asking tore the numbers of how many americans they're doing that to and the nsa keeps saying it's false, they can't provide those numbers. those talking points you're reading from are completely false as anybody who has paid even remote debate know over the last ten years. >> i would like to ask a question is this legal or illegal? richard haas, can you help me out here, since glenn doesn't want to answer the question, is the law being broken here. >> i did answer your question. >> i questioned the law, all the issues this raises, i'm personally concerned as well,

but i would like to put this in perspective, is the law being broken. >> the law was broken by one person, mr. snowden. you might think the law is unwise, policy is unwise, if that's the case there are mechanisms for challenging it. >> i also think -- i mean the way the law is being interpreted right now is so excessive compared -- there's no way -- >> it's amazing. >> there's no way in the world congress would have passed this law in the fall of 2001 if they had known this is where we were going to end up. >> congress don't have chances to roll it back. that's the way things work. i wouldn't call it expansive. >> joe, can i make a point? >> sure, glenn. >> regarding the question of illegality, let me say this, the aclu and other groups have been trying for five years now to go into court and challenge the constitutionality of the surveillance law claiming it violates the fourth amendment. we have a constitution in the united states regarding searchs and seizures and the u.s. government has successfully blocked any challenge on the grounds that well, we keep a secret, who it is we eavesdrop

on and because we keep it a secret no one person can say they've been eavesdropped on and doesn't have standing in court to challenge the law. so if you want to talk about legality, the obama justice department has repeatedly blocked courts from ruling on the legality, namely the constitutionality of this law if they think it's so legal, let there be a challenge in court, don't stop raising procedural issues to have the case thrown out and let a court decide whether or not this really is legal. >> all right. >> if it's legal so be it. there has been no adjudication because they haven't allowed one. >> we have three more people who want to ask questions and eight seconds. >> we're good. >> richard haas, go ahead. >> you said the purpose is to empower nsa. i thought the purpose of this was essentially to make the united states safer and nsa would have certain expanded capabilities was a means towards an end. the end here is not to expand nsa. that is the way again, we're trying to make it more difficult for terrorists to do what it is they do. are you going to deny this has in any way been helpful?

>> yeah. the lesson of the church committee from the 1970s when you allow people and government to spy on americans in the dark with no accountability and not making them go to warrants they aus wou abuse that power. that's why this person came forward and we wrote our stories. >> willie geist. sun light is the best disinfectant. what is the line for you? a lot of people have pointed out there is a line at which the public shouldn't know about some matters of national security. as you study these things and you've been on it for a long time, years and years, where is that line for you? should the public know everything that's going on and if not, what shouldn't the public know? >> yeah. no, the source himself, mr. snowden, went through lots of things and decided he would withhold lots of documents that would just be harmful for its own sake with no harm. he turned those documents over to us and asked us to be jush shus about exercising

journalistic assessments. we've withheld all kinds of things that would enable other countries to improve their eavesdropping capabilities, uncover covert agents, things that would harm people. we've published the things that they've marked top secret that don't harm any national security but conceal what they're doing from the public. >> this is thomas roberts. you talk about why transparency is needed. you responded to congressman rogers about the part where he said you don't have a clue about what's going on. that's why transparency is needed. isn't this the perfect catch 22 because we can't have the evidence that proves that this exists to challenge it. >> it's being abused. >> and that it's being abused without somebody coming forward like an edward snoweden who some people would call a traitor, others call a whistleblower, doesn't it make it the perfect catch 22 that doesn't allow people to talk about this because of fear of retribution? >> yeah. i think that's the purpose -- such the crucial point. remember the obama administration has prosecuted

whistleblowers including ones that came out of the nsa, more aggressively than all prior administrations. in fact, they've prosecuted whistle blowers under the espionage act at double the number of all presidents combined previously, worse than george bush or richard nixon. the purpose is to create this climate of fear where people are petrified of coming forward because they don't want to end up prosecuted or bradley manning or edward snowden. it takes amounts of courage to do what he did but it's the only way we get transparency because that's the way the government has set it up. the wall of secrecy behind which they operate is impenetrable. >> what makes bradley manning any different from edward snoweden? bradley manning is on trial right now. not one press badge released. a trial in secret. his military court-martial right now. the press is not allowed in to know what's going on. what makes snowden any different from bradley manning? mannings is widely to be considered a traitor, not a

whistleblower. >> i consider him a whistle blower and hero and a lot of people do around the world. the fact that this trial has been kept secret and he was disappeared and not heard of from two years was one reason mr. snowden wanted to speak out and got himself out of the united states to do that. ask limb what the difference is, he will say that he spent months meticulously studying every document. when he handed us those documents they were in detailed files by topic. he read every one and used his expertise about which one should be public. he didn't just upload them to the internet he gave them to journalists who wanted to go through each one by one and make judgments about what should be public and what wasn't so harm wouldn't come grew tu tusly but so the public would be informed. >> glenn greenwald, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you, glenn. >> thanks for having me. >> now, fascinating. >> yeah, but look, the use of

the word whistleblower seems way incorrect here. whistleblowers uncover wrong doing within their agencies or organizations. this is not wrongdoing. this is u.s. policy. he violated his oath. he had an oath when he dealt with classified information. if you disagree with it there's ways to deal with it. that's what congress is there for. they oversight. this is no the a whistleblower. this is someone who's going to make the united states less safe, now terrorists will have new ways of working around our ability to capture information. >> we may wake up one day, richard, for all of us growing up, espionage, used to be when the cia agent would meet his kgb counterpart and hand over files and ten agents of our agency would get killed in russia scattered across russia. in this case this impacts -- i mean the federal government is becoming so massive, the nsa apparatus so massive, so advanced that they're going to be able to tell, and probably

can right now, everybody you've talked to, where you are, at all times, same with you, richard, all of our patterns, all of everything. >> fair enough. >> and everybody goes, this is always well if i'm doing nothing wrong i have nothing to worry about. that's just bull. >> we're a society confused about what our priority means, we live on-line, tweet everything, put our status updates in facebook, add locations, tell everybody we're doing. >> willie and i don't add locations. >> you keep your privacy to yourself. >> fenway. basically your seats. >> should i just speak for myself. >> yeah, i think so. >> yeah. >> this is a legitimate debate. >> it is. >> and what the president called for was the public conversation about security versus privacy. >> we're having this debate because of either you say the traitor or some -- glenn would say the whistleblower. >> limited information. he's 29 years old. he worked for, what, the cia and nsa for limited amount of time.

it is hard to put into perspective exactly where this stand stands. i know we're talking about extreme behavior or information beyond anticipated but is the law broken? i don't think so. i think we knew this was happening. >> not to this degree. i'll tell you what -- >> why not. >> it scares me to think -- >> because. because they say it's top secret and nobody can know anything and we didn't know it was going to this degree and it scares me to think of just how much -- how quickly it would have accelerated if this information hadn't come out now and gotten at least some americans concerned. most americans, mika, want this to be done. >> that's right. >> and have absolutely no problem with it. >> that's the bottom line. is that if you really talk to people, they sort of have a hard time with it. because they don't want it not done. but they don't want -- >> tap every phones, drop drones wherever you want. >> i'm not saying that. >> that's what a lot of people say. >> wait until the next terrorist attack.

>> thank you. >> that's the trump card. >> thank you, there. >> you got to the bottom of the sack and put that choker right on the deck. >> nbc's chuck todd with more information and the response of the nsa leak and later, how long can you go without your smartphone? not that long. >> don't look at me. >> i would love to throw mine away. researchers asked students to give up their devices for one day and they called it the most horrible experience of their life. >> that's a good line. >> the implications of a finding like that ahead and what it means about the next generation. broadway producer jordan roth takes us behind the scenes of last night's tony awards. bringing with him his tony award and some kinky boots. up next yourp top stories in the politico playbook. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. i'm the next american success story. working for a company

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. former south african president nelson mandela is said to be in serious condition as he battles a lung infection.

hospitalized in pretoria on saturday the 94-year-old has suffered ongoing health issues and has been in and out of hospitals at least four times since december. he contracted tuberculosis during his 27 years of imprisonment under apartheid rule. joining us live from johannesburg, south africa, keir simmons. keir? >> hey, mika, good morning. they are worried about nelson mandela here. a statement released by the presidential office said his condition is unchanged since he was rushed to the hospital. he has been rushed to the hospital four times since december but this is the first time doctors have described his condition as serious, albeit stable and able to breathe. his life longe friend has told the newspaper he believes it's time for south africa to let nelson mandela go. saying he has recovered from hospital in the past and the president jacob zuma is saying the country should pray for him

now. >> all right. nbc's keir simmons, thank you very much. we're going to turn for a look at the morning papers here at home. >> on the front of all the morning papers, the "washington post," "the boston globe," "the wall street journal," the "financial times" they're all talking about, of course, nsa story. and also nadal winning again. first to the "wall street journal," apple expected to announce plans to revamp its operating system to compete with rivals like google. it's been a rough run for apple with shares down 37% from just last year. other rumored announcements include new methods for photo and video sharing and a new iphone expected out in the fall. >> okay. from our parade of papers "l.a. times" the death toll from friday's santa monica shooting spree stands at five. police released the identity of the suspected gunman 23-year-old john zawahri. investigators say he was heavily armed when he rampaged through

the city carrying an assault rifle and as much as 1800 rounds of ammunition. his victims include his own father and brother. his shooting spree only ended after he was shot and killed by police. and also in the "l.a. times." >> the saudi prince. >> he's suing "forbes" for libel claiming the publication incorrectly reported his wealth and a list of the world's billionaires in march. this happens to me all the time. >> yeah. i hate that. >> "time" magazine valued his worth at $20 billion and, of course, the prince was very angry. he says he's worth at least $30 billion. he claims the list is biased against middle eastern investors. "forbes" is standing by their estimate. >> reminds me of someone we know very rich. whenever you state his worth, you know who i'm talking about. the oklahoman. three weeks after the tornados that swept across moore, oklahoma, residents are coping

with looting in their neighborhoods. six people have been arrested in moore under suspicions of looting and disturbing a disaster area, three of which traveled as far as new york and virginia to prey upon the town. >> that's awful. to willie with the politico playbook. >> with us now the chief white house correspondent of politico mike allen with a look at the playbook. >> happy, monday, guys. >> talk a little immigration. word senator kelly ayotte will back the immigration plan in the senate. where does this legislation stand now? feels like we haven't talked about immigration in a little while, back front and center now? >> you're right. senator ayotte is a big step forward for people who are for immigration reform. but something even bigger, movement now in the house for the first time, politico is reporting house speaker john boehner wants immigration to move and set a deadline. he wants the house to act on it by august. until now speaker boehner has been hanging back. he's been saying we'll let the senate go and then we'll see

what happens. didn't want his guys to go out on a limb if they weren't sure what's going to happen in the senate. speaker boehner is saying he wants house committees to act on this by the 4th of july, have a final package by august. they haven't decided yet if they're going to be one big immigration bill the way the senate is doing or to do it in pieces. either way, this is a much better chance because the house, as we talked about before, what they're worried about, a top aide telling us, it's easier to see how immigration falls apart in the house than how it comes together. this push by boehner is a big step in it coming together. >> this could be a big week for immigration. thanks so much, mike. >> have a great week. coming up next a scary moment for tennis fans. a masked protester storms the court at the french open final carrying a flair. highlights from the nba finals, next in sports. keep it on "morning joe."

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time for sports. game two of the nba finals in miami. the spurs stole game one down there. the heat looking to even things up against san antonio. it was mario chalmers of all people leading the charge.

he had 19 points. a 33-5 run for the heat in the second half was the knockout blow in a close game. this was the play of the game. lebron james, goes 6'8", 250, tiago splitter full speed down the lane, 6'11", 250, lebron wins that battle. lebron only had 1 17 points but that play kind of says it all right there. the series now even at one game apiece. game three tomorrow in san antonio. to tennis, the french open finals, raphael nadal proving he's the king of clay taking on countryman david ferrer. play interrupted in the second set when a protester holding a flare runs on to the court. he was subdued by security. lasting a few minutes. play resumed. nadal needed only three sets to top ferrer to win his record eighth french open tightle. he's the only player to win

eight titles at any grand slam event. he's won 12 majors all told. reds and cardinals, all tied in extra innings in the tenth. st. louis blows it open scoring seven runs capped by a grand slam from matt holliday and they lead the central by four games. red sox and angels, david ortiz sends a fastball from joe blanton into the bleachers. red sox win 10-5, a game ahead of the yankees in the east and best record in the american league. twins catcher joe mauer, wait a minute. what did he do? let me see this again? pitch fouled off the back, the bricks in the back and he makes a no look behind the catch grab. >> wait. >> wow. that's a nice play. joe mauerer of the twins. >> manny ramirez rediscovered his baseball career in taiwan. 41 years old, plays for the rhinos of the chinese

professional baseball league and the fans love the guy. the best part about manny playing in taiwan are the home run calls. listen to this. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ] manny ramirez home run. >> that was manny's eighth home run of the season. the quote you heard, that ball is long gone just like the ex-girlfriend who will never return. said the announcer. that's the home run call in taiwan. >> so cute. >> good to see manny stroking them out there. >> mika's must-read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:

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. welcome back to "morning joe." so mika and willie, you guys have known louis a long time, right? >> yep. >> he's very versatile. >> yeah. >> so he's not. but it leads into this. so i'm in there and i'm calling the orphans, of course, which you know willie i do every break i have to call the orphans see if they're doing okay. >> amazing what you do. >> we saw this at the beginning at the tony awards, right? >> look at him smiling. >> here's my question on the same night he's at the tony awards earlier that day he's here. >> oh, god. >> i knew it. >> how can louis be there with the flare. >> yeah. >> look that's not louis. >> i just want to say that guy at the french open.

>> yeah. >> is against marriage equality in france. there is nothing more anti-gay than running shirtless on the clay courts. >> being a flamer. >> with a flame. >> that says anti-gay to me. >> that boy does. being shirtless carrying a -- being a flamer and saying yes, i am against marriage equality. >> wow. >> against marriage equality. why would he do that. >> louis is not against marriage equality. >> talk to him about his -- he got a kiss from harvey fierstein last night. >> oh, honey, i'll give you a kiss. >> he interviewed cyndi lauper. so cool. >> she did not kiss him. >> no. >> from louis and the tonys later. that's going to be fun. i loved that show, it was so great. >> do you really? >> i didn't know that. >> it was awesome. >> what are we reading today in the must-read op-eds. >> david ignatius. >> caught carrying a red flare

shirt lz against the french court. >> that's not a good transition. >> attorney general eric holder is not up to task and writes in part this, people are looking for the wrong scandal about attorney general eric holder. the problem with holder is the plain fact that, in the judgment of a wide range of legal colleagues, he has been a immediate ower attorney general. the leak cases illustrate holder's tendency to blow with the prevailing winds. holder substitutes his political judgment for his legal judgment, and his political judgment isn't very good, is the way one white house official put it to a prominent lawyer recently. the criticism was seconded by half dozen other leading washington lawyers i consulted. president obama talks about his desire to improve the performance of the bur crockcracy so the citizens can believe in the government again. the justice department is one of the areas where this standard matters most but under holder it hasn't been met. that's the scandal here,

tolerance of mediocre performance. >> we always bring you on to defend the washington establishment. tell us why david ignatius is wrong and why eric holder may be the best attorney general. >> it comes as a shock. he may have a point here. >> really? >> in particular the going after journalists in a wide way. we don't have an official secrets act. it's people who leak the information that the attorney general ought to go after rather than doing a vacuuming of what journalists are up to. i think the attorney general is off the reservation here. >> david ignatius is a central player, just for people who don't know, a central player who don't know a central player in the washington establishment. nonideological and what he says a lot of people listen to. this is a significant op-ed. >> he's an important voice into all these stories we're talking about now, not just because he's tapped into what's happening in washington, but also the intelligence community and everything else. it's significant for him to come out and say something like this. do you think, though, richard, talk about the ap story and this nsa story, for you, i just ask

this of glenn greenwald earlier, where is that line between our right to privacy and national security? >> look, obviously there's tradeoffs. that's the kind of thing we have to decide and debate here. and the case of the ap thing i think we went too far going after journalists. they're not the one that take the oath. the nsa story i lean more in the direction of what the united states was doing. let's see what damage assessments are. again, i would err on the direction of making sure we were safe, even if at times people on the left and right are a little nervous. >> why is it i get a sense if you could tap my fillings, you would? >> tap my fillings? >> that ear piece. >> what are you listening to. we're all listening to tv, going go mets. what are you listening to? can you read my mind, richard. >> it would be so boring, joe. >> all right. >> my feelings are hurt. >> former governor tim pawlenty will be among our guests. how many people over the years

have wanted to do this? simon cowell is pelted with eggs. why would people want to do this. >> nobody wants to do that. >> during a live finale of "britain's got talent". >> she throws like the president. >> that's coming up next on news you can't use. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done, check angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i love you, angie. sorry, honey.

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boots. >> girl, you're going to have fun tonight! cyndi lauper. >> i can't say i wasn't practicing in front of the shower curtain for a couple days for this sneech billy porter, kinky boots. >> okay. . okay. so i'm going to put this on the ground. >> let's hear it for kinky boots! >> when we understand respect and accept people, other people, celebrate other people who might be a bit different than we are, we can change the world. that's the message of kinky boots. >> wow. >> huge. >> and their song -- >> what's going on now? >> he was covering the story last night a war torn reporter. i don't know. he was with the cast of kinky

boots. that's all i'm going to say. >> dateline theater district. >> yeah. >> there he goes. >> huge night for kinky boots. six awards. >> i knew it. >> among the awards, best musical, best score, best actor in a musical. cyndi lauper, how great is cindy lauper. >> good for her. >> musicals pippen and ma till la winning four awards a piece. neil patrick harris started the evening with a big opening number and got himself a standing ovation. one of the most memorable moments, mike tyson singing and dancing with neil patrick harris. is tyson was a topic, shall we say, all night. >> you haven't lived until you've seen mike tyson in a pair of kinky boots. seriously only two people have seen it and neither of them lived. ♪ >> you're not going to believe

this. in the fog, on his hands and knees mike tyson pulling the both with his teeth. you won't believe what's happening back stage, mike tyson gave three of the four matildas face tattoos. >> wasn't sure if he was going to laugh or not. >> i liked him as the host. >> easily an academy award or oscars next. >> get him on the academy awards. he's incredible. >> a woman in the united kingdom did what a lot of people would have liked to have done over the years. getting egg on simon cowell. >> what. >> 30-year-old natalie holt, storming the stage, pelting judge simon during a live finale of "britain's got talent." surprised everyone they claim. performers continued singing opera as the woman was removed from the stage. producers called the police but did not take further action.

>> you know why? >> they planned it. >> they orchestrated it. nothing quite as exciting as planned spontaneity. >> i don't buy that. >> anybody buy that? >> i don't buy it. thomas, you buy it? >> no. it's good television. >> richard, do you buy it? >> sure. >> again -- >> the establishment. >> wanted to create publicity. >> "american idol" establishment. >> he does -- >> listening in to the telephone conversations. >> you tapped -- >> through my fillings. >> i was in on it. >> we mentioned this at the top of the show. a brief new era gets under way at "the daily show" tonight, john oliver will take over hosting duties for the summer as jon stewart goes overseas to work on a film project. he's going to be directing. this is how they parted ways last yeek week. >> i don't care what they say. it's my show now. >> excuse me -- >> hold on a second. what? >> you're not really starting a monday. i was going to do a heartfelt

good-bye for the summer. >> wow. you're still here? look, look. i've got your pens. i'm putting them in my pants. i'm putting them in my pants. >> i'm sorry about the pen. >> cute. cute. nice. >> john oliver. >> how do you think he's going to do. >> funny man. >> i'm excited. >> the material will be the same. it's just tough walking into that. >> jon stewart. >> yeah. >> i think he's going to be good. >> funny dude. >> coming up next, new reaction to our exclusive interview with glenn greenwald, the reporter behind the publication of top secret government files. chuck todd joins us, andrea mitchell and an exclusive of her own over the weekend with the director of national intelligence, james clapper. and national security correspondent for "the new york times" mark mazzetti in a moment. i am an american success story.

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i think that the public is owed an explanation of the motivations behind the people who make these disclosures that are outside of the democratic model. i'm another guy who sits there day to day in the office watching what's happening and goes, this is something that's not our place to decide.

the public needs to decide whether these programs of policies are right or wrong. >> top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." >> what a beautiful shot. >> wow. >> of new york city. >> new york city. >> wow. monday morning. richard haas still with us. >> that is -- alex rodriguez's town. >> there you go. >> that's florida. >> jeter's town. joining us from washington, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. >> it's chuck todd's town. >> arod. >> also with us, national -- >> in new york. >> national security correspondent for "the new york times" mark mazzetti author of the book "the way of the knife, the cia, a secret army and a war at the ends of the earth." we'll get right to our top story this morning. >> we've got, of course, richard haas, the president of the status quo. >> yeah. >> ouch. >> the washington establishment. >> that is like -- he hurled an insult at you. >> i did not. >> wow. >> listen, these days, the establishment needs all doots he

fenders they can get. >> work very hard to become a member of the establishment. >> >> you did. >> nobody is taking that card away from him, willie. you know what we found out, though, during one of these breaks on "morning joe" which really is so much more exciting than the show. >> we ought to have a -- >> we found out that he's chandling poppy, bush '41. >> man of the people. listen to country music. >> minus the pork rinds. >> who's your favorite artist, country and western. >> that's not fair. >> who? >> reba mcentire. >> yeah. >> i like that. >> he saw the show on tv. >> reba show. >> okay. this morning we're learning more about edward snowden. he is the government contractor and former cia employee who leaked the existence of two high-profile nsa programs that track american's cell phone records and some of the most

widely used internet providers and social media networks in the world. he revealed his identity through the "the guardian," the uk newspaper that originally ran his story. the 29-year-old reportedly packed up his hawaii apartment and moved suddenly to hong kong in may, claiming a need for medical treatment. he had been on a consulting job for the nsa for less than three months. in an interview with "the guardian's" glenn greenwald and filmmaker laura poitras, he says he never expects to see his home again, adding his eyes are wide open about what might lie ahead. >> i could be, you know, rendered by the cia, i could have people come after me or any of their third-party partners. we have a cia station just up the road and the consulate here in hong kong and i'm sure they're going to be very busy for the next week. and that's a fear i'll live under the rest of my life, however long that happens to be. you can't come forward against the world's most powerful

intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk because there's just powerful adversaries no one can meaningfully oppose them. if they want to get you they'll get you in time. >> director of national intelligence, james clapper, has called the leaks gut wrenching. the department of justice confirms a criminal investigation is under way as many top lawmakers call for punishment to the fullest extent of the law. >> i know your reporter that you interviewed, greenwald, says he's got it all and now is an expert on the program. he doesn't have a clue how this thing works. neither did the person who released enough information to literally be dangerous. taking a sensitive classified program that targets foreign persons on foreign lands and puts enough out there is dangerous to us, our national security and violates the oath of which that person took. i absolutely think they should be prosecuted. >> you too, senator feinstein?

>> i do. >> glenn greenwald joined us for an exclusive interview on "morning joe." >> what we sddisclosed was of great public interest and democracy, that the u.s. government is developing this spying apparatus aimed at its population. anybody who wants to say any of these disclosures have harmed national security i defy anybody to say anything we published does that in any way. the only people who have been harmed are those in power who want to conceal their actions and wrongdoing from the people to whom they're supposed to be accountable. >> and glenn, i mean, i got a little testy with you, mika. >> he got testy. >> accused you, i was shocked by this, i was shocked -- >> this is what happens when people get frustrated ed becau i'm making a point. >> they accused mika, willie, of reading white house talking points. i looked over here and i'm looking at, you know, valerie's e-mail and saying, can you reply back to valerie we're insulted by what glenn said. >> actually, i think glenn got a

little testy because reporters -- >> can i see that letter head. never seen white house stationary. >> reporters don't like questions. i think it's interesting. >> chuck -- >> not from valerie. >> mika and willie and i this weekend were basically saying that this is a big story, but it seems to me that glenn greenwald, rand paul, myself, and about 14 other people in america, are concerned with this. like, willie was saying to people he talked to and mika said, good, if you're not doing anything wrong we want this information, it's like the drone strikes which i've been talking about for months, the latest i think nbc poll, 66% of americans support the drone strikes, something like 14 people oppose them? >> right. >> i think most americans would agree with mika and the white house on this. >> you know, you may be right and i'll be curious to see public opinion.

that's my gut on what that is. but let's remember the entire u.s. constitution is based on protecting minority rights and even sometimes the political ideas of the minority force a debate that is important, and you know what, make the government uncomfortable, make them defend the classification, the knee-jerk reaction sometimes when in doubt, classify, you know, that is the mantra of the intelligence community. now what's interesting when dealing and talking to the people i've been talking with over the weekend in the administration, is that glenn has a point in nobody can really come up with a good reason why the telephone, the doing the telephone numbers and putting those in a database that, you know, how classified should that have been, what does that really reveal, where there is a real issue and where the government is basically ap pa mec tick is on the revealing of this prism

operation, which is the internet targeting of basically essentially foreign surveillance of those used internet. the targeting of prism that is a whole level, that's where you see the level of outrage where you have a whole bunch of folks in the intelligence community, well the verizon issue, the telephone, cell phone, maybe that was overclassified. nobody is saying that about prism. >> mark mazzetti, the conversation has quickly moved to this man, edward snowden and whether he ought to be prosecuted. a lot of people in congress feel he should be. it's important to stop and look at prism, what it does and what it doesn't. what could the government do with all that data. >> there's still a lot we don't know about prism but no, it's myunder standing that in

contrast to the phone call program, the verizon program, prism is targeted actually abroad, towards non-u.s. persons, so if the government has reason to want to track data or information about non-u.s. persons overseas, they would go to google, aol, you know, facebook, any number of these internet companies and request information about that. so the u.s. is trying to draw a big, huge distinction in how these programs work and they keep emphasizing the white house keeps emphasizing that pris mg -- prism is a foreign program. it's really extraordinary, you know, what has come out in the last several days, not only the programs that have been revealed, but also, you know, learning yesterday the biography of the person who did it, and quite frankly, the fact that he

was a contractor working for booz allen which is a company that has won billions of dollars in the last decade basically marketing itself to the u.s. -- >> exchanging information. >> to protect u.s. classified information. >> yeah. >> oops. >> i know. i thunk there's so many questions right there. before we go to andrea. >> prism seems the modern example of what we have an intelligence community to do. keep tracks on foreign communicati communications, the nature of the communications has changed and so has the nature of the intelligence. the verizon story is different. think about the boston bombings, links between people living in the united states and groups overseas how are you supposed to monitor them? there is a real issue there. it's important to keep prism totally separate than the verizon issue. >> joining us from washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea. you had a late night last night. you talked to the director of national intelligence, james

clapper, over the weekend in an exclusive interview. let's take a look first at what he had to say about the leaked nsa program. >> we are under strict court supervision and have to get permission to actually look at that. so the notion that we're trolling through everyone's e-mails and voyeuristically reading them or listening to everyone's phone calls is on its face absurd. we couldn't do it even if we wanted to and i assure you we don't want to. >> andrea, so i asked glenn greenwald some questions about the legality. >> i was watching. >> of these programs and he accused me of bringing up white house talking points and all i was asking is are any laws broken, what is the extreme shock value of this, and what did you learn in your interview? >> well, i did ask, you know, a number of questions, pushing on james clapper as to what about the fact that this court supervision is the secret court, the fisa court, foreign intelligence court, and this

court is ex parte. you only have a government lawyer in front of the court. you don't have some other body, some other person arguing against it in each case. how is that real supervision? that is what was passed under the patriot act and then renewed first of all changed in 2008 after the wireless eving dropping controversy with the bush administration and then it was voted on again in december of 2012. the senators who are in charge of these committees, rogers, diane dine stein, they say they sent letters to every member of the senate and house come to the secret rooms come and read in and understand what you're voting on. the counter argument from senator udle and others and ron wyden, is aside from the members of the intelligence committee like widen and udall, first none of them can bring in staff and then the others are not well

versed in this and they are looking at data, at documents but don't know what they're reading. you could argue that they have other options to go back to the policymakers, to go back to clapper and others, who said they will brief everyone. there's going to be a big briefing tomorrow. 27 members came to the intelligence committee meeting that feinstein called after arguments erupted during an appropriations committee hearing where eric holder was testifying on an unrelated subject on the budget. look, we do need to have a real debate in the country. clapper would argue that as well, as would the other intelligence officials. let's have a debate over this, but don't on your own take the law into your own hands, violate the oath, and i think it is a little surprising as mark mazzetti know morse about this than most of the rest of us and the book he's written on drone policy, it is a little surprising that a 29-year-old contractor would have access to these secrets and some people are questioning whether his background is is as described

because they say that an intelligence analyst would not have been sent overseas years ago to geneva by the cia as he says. we'll have to check into that. >> chuck todd, how did the president do on friday when he came out and talked about this and tried to explan his positions and why he has gone -- went from being such a vocal critical of these sort of programs before he was president, to becoming their greatest champion now? >> well, i thought he did, frankly, about time that he came out and defended his policies. i thought he was pretty strong in attempting to do it. i thought it was a pretty smart way to try to handle this, nip this in the bud. i don't think they nipped anything in the bud as far as, you know, downplaying this as far as the media coverage of it, but i think we go to the larger question, does this --

>> i mean people want -- people want their government to do this. i mean again -- >> they certainly don't want the government -- they don't want to find out after an attack that something could have been done. i mean look at what happened post-boston. right, immediately everybody was jumping wondering what was missed? did you guys miss something with this. were you not -- where was the surveillance on everything this guy was doing if russia when he went back. you know, so it is -- i think we'll wait to see what the actual polls say, but my gut is the same as yours, joe, you know, an anecdotally this is not going to be the political firestorm -- >> an dre dre ya, do you agree americans will support the president on this just as they support the president with his aggressive drone policy. >> i asked clapper about boston and he said, yes, after boston, we were criticized for not being intrusive enough, making the point that chuck was making,

when something happens then they come back to us and say, why didn't, as clapper said in the interview, why didn't you spot the fact that the brothers were becoming self-radicalized sooner? why weren't you on them sooner? he made that very strong argument and i think that the politics will bear that out. it doesn't say that we shouldn't be having a debate about the verizon, what's commonly referred to as verizon, not just verizon, all the telephone companies, how broad that sweep is and he said, you know, yes, we will go back to that and see if we can define it better. feinstein asked him to come back within the month and find ways where they can narrow the scope because even those who have been involved in this are beginning to be concerned. have they let it get out of control? >> mr. clapper and others have said this is a grave moment for the national security apparatus, that this puts a big dent in a lot of the things they were trying to do, the disclosure of this prism program and verizon program as well. as far as you can tell how bad is the damage to national security?

>> you know, it's really hard to tell at this point. it's, you know, when you look at, for instance, you know, the disclosure of the court order on verizon, you know, it's hard to know what damage that would have done to the program. in terms of the prism slides that have, you know, leaked, you know, we don't know what we don't know and the u.s. officials are saying that there has been damage. i guess we'll keep reporting on that certainly. i do want to sort of go back to andrea's point which is a good one, which is when you talk about oversight with congress, whether it's on drones or whether it's on surveillance, the deck is definitely stacked in the government's favor, the executive branch's favor, in terms of what they brief the congressional intelligence committees are small, as we found out with the drone policy, they don't even have the legal memos justifying drone programs, so even to say something is briefed to congress, congress knows about it, you really do have to wonder how much they do

really know and again, this is where this issue of how much of a public debate there should be comes up. >> mark mazzetti, thank you very, very much. >> you can get access to our interview with glenn greenwald at mojo.msnbc.com. watch it on-line. chuck todd, thank you as well. >> thank you. >> see you ahead on "the daily rundown." andrea 1:00 eastern time. >> richard, are you leaving? >> don't leave us. >> please don't leave us, friend. >> he's got to go read all of our e-mails. >> still ahead, it cost just pennies to make by hollywood standards, how did the purge become the least expensive summer movie to top the box office in 25 years. coming up -- >> hello. >> the failed decade. chris hayes stops by to discuss opportunity now come in america, more from his acclaimed book, next you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks and tapped by richard haas. apital o,

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you say in part this, chris, we now operate in a world in which we can a assume neither competence nor good faith from the authorities and the consequences of this simple devastating realization is the defining feature of american life at the end of this low, dishonest decade. elite failure and the distrust it has spawned is the most powerful and least understood aspect of current politics and society. it structures and constrains the very process by which we gather facts, form opinions and execute self-governance. it connects the iraq war, the financial crisis, the tea party and movon, the despair of laid off auto workers in detroit to the foreclosed homeowners in las vegas and the residents of the lower ninth ward in new orleans. nothing seems to work. i remember you saying that at the airport. all the smart people screwed up and no one seems to be willing to take responsibility. seriously, joe had a meltdown in l.a. at the airport where he was

screaming and throwing his phone. >> this isn't true. >> and you're saying bleep doesn't work. bleep doesn't work. >> just doesn't work. >> he wanted to make -- >> that impulse that made me write the book obviously. >> fascinating. you heard me back on the other coast. fascinating. what's fascinating we have celebrated the rise of am meritocracy. >> it's a great triumph. >> if you were lucky you would be a wasp, grow up in the northeast, go to harvard or yale or whatever and rule the world. and yet, we're now seeing the effects of having this very small, insular group, without the sort of diversity, i'm not just talking a racial diversity, you know, phil griffin said early on, everybody talks about diversity, he goes we need more policemen. we need more community college

graduates. we need more vets in the newsroom in the elite institutions. is that what you're talking about? >> that is a huge part of it. we've seen a lot of writing about if you look at elite colleges, for instance, the class structure, right. 80% from households in the top fifth of income, right. there's, you know, there is a affirmative action take n insur racial diversity, but there is this total lack of class diversity, socioeconomic background and you get a situation in which even if you're drawing from a wider and wider part of society which i don't think our elite ib sti tutions are, we would agree on that, talk about evangelicals in the bible belt getting into yale law school, not a ton are, but even if you are, if you focus power and concentrate it in smaller hands it doesn't matter how widely you are drawing from society that's going to produce its own dysfunctions and pathologies. one of the things we're seeing today with this remarkable story

with the nsa ands the surveillance state when you concentrate power and put it out of the hands of democratic accountability in whatever situation, it could be major league baseball, penn state university, the national security agency, you get dysfunction, corruption, this sort of kind of breakdown. >> look, i was talking yesterday to my brother and said hey -- it seems like everybody in our family going to the university of alabama, are you sending ben ja plin to alabama, he goes no. he goes first of all it's getting harder to get into and secondly it costs $35,000. i said george when i went there, first of all i walked in and they asked if i took an s.a.t. or act. i don't know. my tuition was like $500. forget about florida law school where i went to law school. it's impossible to get into now. all of these institutions and what i'm talking about, ivy

league institutions college is becoming too expensive. >> state universities. >> right. >> which are incredible kind of bulwark of the middle class, right. >> right. >> so many people -- >> so you would think. >> you would think. or were designed or have been in the past. >> the california system, you used to go there for free if you were an in-state student. best education in the world. >> the kinds of institutions we need more of. they are in their design acce accessible and democratic and they are beginning to mirror the rest of the institutions in society, growing more selective, harder to get into, and increasingly part of the creation of a smaller and smaller group of elites. >> and, so kids go to community colleges and then they may finish up at a four-year local university, and then be excluded because their parents didn't have $35,000 to send them to a state school which used to be your parents didn't have $35,000 to send you an ivy league

school. it's tougher and tougher. and it starts, brian, the second you leave high school. >> you know the funny thing is, i have this -- my background is in education, we have a growing population more people wanting to go to colleges but we're not opening new schools. it's the -- a smaller tunnel to get into, but the irony here with snowden he doesn't come from an elite situation. >> in fact, he is exactly the rebuke to the story, right? here's somebody who found his way into the upper echelons of the surveillance state. >> and came from nowhere. >> had a ged. washed out of basic training, tried to join the army after an injury. he got a ged. yet he ends up in this position of tremendous power. in some ways that is a testament to something, that he wasn't -- that he didn't check all the boxes. a period of time you couldn't get into the cia unless you had a yale law degree or yale university background and part of skull and bones. part of that is a testament to the mess when you talk about a

growing population and not opening more schools. just a growing national security intelligence community that gets bigger and bigger. 1.5 million with some sort of classified access. you need to hire people -- >> you know, i just said something i need correct. i said this starts the second you leave high school. since i moved to the northeast, it's the -- i have figured out that all up and down the east coast, i'm sure it's in other places, mainly the east coast, when we first got here, everybody was like what kindergarten are you sending your kid to? i don't know. >> oh, my lord. >> it starts there and parents teach their 4-year-olds how to get like in these interviews to get in these elite schools. they start taking s.a.t. prep in eighth and ninth grade, tutors in the summer, they start once their kids are 4 years old, focusing on a college to get into. if i grow up in a middle class family like i did, with parents who are both working hard. >> working. >> like they did, who can't

afford s.a.t. tutors. >> can't even -- >> who can't afford to send their kid off to s.a.t. camp, i mean what chances do i have today of competing when people are going to be looking at -- well so-and-so went to yale or harvard or dartmouth or berkeley. >> you're pointing out the game which we think of as a fair game, we have this equal opportunity and people by their grit and gumpion and brains work their way up. all these privileges cascade down from folks who have access to things like test prep or have early tutoring -- >> money. >> and so what we see is the system ends up reproducing privilege. you talk about the options for the middle class. one is just as an impurecle matter we are seeing less social mobility generation after generation. this is something i think you've spoken about and conservatives have started to worry about. even if you're not a hard core

egalitarian like yours truly you have to worry about social mobility. >> alan greenspan himself said, that one of the greatest threats to american capitalism is growing inequality. you know when margaret thatcher in 1975, i actually -- huge margaret thatcher fan, because of what she did in great britain in 1975 was was so radical, one of her top goals if you go and see the speech she gave in 1975 to conservatives, it was spreading the wealth, not through government, but saying we have to get more people engaged in the capitalist system. we have to get more small business owners succeeding, entrepreneurs out there. and if the rich are getting richer and the poor getting pao are poorer then the people who drive american capitalism and made it a great wonder are the middle class. and they're getting snuffed out. >> and also when you talk about this pressure like the funnel you were saying just before, part of it comes from an

anticipation that on the other side of it, there's a real scarcity. when people look at their kids, right, there was a time in the post-war boom years when there was an expectation if you checked the boxes and did the right thing there was going to be a good sustainable middle class job and career and a possibility of a house and maybe a second home for your kid. right now i think there's a conception that parents have, it's not wrong, there's a shrinking group of outcomes at the end of this process that will be -- give people kind of sustainable life. >> if you come from a middle class family like myself and you went to state schools, like oh, i think a lot of parents are like this, i want my kid to go to ivy league schools or the schools i didn't go to, i found out, you know, joey ended up going to the university of alabama, could have gone to other schools, got an incredible education, i think i got a pretty darn good education, i have been -- i always joke about my education, everybody laughs,

but then again i've had people that went to harvard, yale, princeton working for me from the time i w29 years old, to ma the point, this is the most important thing, we have to change our assumptions. i think i got a great education at the university of alabama. i can't imagine getting a better education there. we have to change our assumptions. and that goes to community colleges as well. we need more diversity. because you're right, this funnel is getting thinner and thinner. >> we got to work on the costs and the debt these students are left. the book "twilight of the elites america after meritocracy" now out in paperback. chris hayes, thank you for coming, see you tonight on "all in" at 8:00 eastern time on msnbc. thank you, chris. still ahead, the ranking member of the house oversight committee declares the irs scandal to be case closed. who ordered the conservative groups be targeted? the answer is next and -- >> you're laughing because you say it's a conservative. >> it's fascinating.

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the question continues about how far up the irs scandal rose through the government chain. on sunday ranking member of the house oversight committee elijah cummings said case closed. he released part of a transcript of an interview with an unnamed irs manager from cincinnati who is a self-described conservative republican. the manager said an employee brought him concerns about a tea party group filing and it was the manager who began the reviews. not washington. >> he is a conservative republican working for the irs. i think this interview and these statements go a long way to showing that the white house was not involved in this. >> house oversight chair darrell issa fired back saying in part in a statement, cummings extreme and reckless assertions are a

signal that his true motivation is stopping needed congressional oversight and he has a no genuine interest in working on a partnership basis to expose the full truth. it is kind of interesting. we'll see what happens. it's fascinating to me. you know, i got to tell you. >> all right. talk about gold. very recently gold was the economic standard of stability reaching prices as high as $1900 an ounce in 2011. since then its value has fallen by 30% so weight wrong with gold and brian, is it going to get worse? is it still an option here? >> it could get worse actually. you say what's wrong with gold? nothing is wrong. it's the things around it that move it. you hit the high close to $2,000 in september of 2011. look at the stock market in comparison to gold since then there's a couple things at play. one is people aren't as scared anymore about the economy and they've rotated stocks are more appealing, interest rates low, they want something out of their

investment. they buy stocks. i wanted to talk about why gold goes up and down. they start quantitative easing in 2008. gold was $725. and so even now where we think it's down it's double where it was then. as long as the federal reserve policy is what it is, gold will stay high. they reversed that and that's why you get a jobs report and the stock market goes up, gold gets hit because the fed might stop doing what they're doing sooner than later and those are the keys. the funny thing about the american dollar and inflation right now, nobody thinks inflation is a problem so gold is not appealing. >> is this a fluctuation or a significant drop that stands out as opposed to what we've seen before? >> if the fed pulls back a lot of people think gold could drop through the floor. >> that's a problem. >> at some point gold is going to be good again, whether uncertainty in the world or inflation, gold is coming back. obviously the question is when and what triggers it. i wouldn't throw it away if you've got it. >> i would say it's always a hard thing for people to appropriate value to.

as long as humans think it's valuable it will be worth something in the marketplace. whether back to 2,000 or over we need a real crisis to see it get that high. >> up next the new thriller "the purge" topped the weekend box office and it might be the big hollywood producers who got the biggest scare here. how the movie knocked off the competition despite having only a $3 million budget. chief film critic for the new york -- for new yo"new york" ma joins us next when "morning joe" comes right back. (girl) what does that say?

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it's a social satire, very broad, very splattery about the haves getting an opportunity to wipe out the have nots once a year and, you know, it's a good, liberal, violent horror movie and they tend to do well. >> ethan hawke. >> he's fine. he's actually made a specialty of these sorts of things, a film called "insidious"s that did very well too. >> with a low budget. >> also with a very low budget. it doesn't matter, for a horror movie you saw the preview. the preview is killer. you've got the tv spots that are killer, great print ads, so horror movies are the only ones if they don't have a kind of a-list star or not a marvel film or sequel, they tend to -- if they're good enough and good word of mouth, they tend to shoot to the top of the box office. >> let me ask you this, you have "the purge" topping the box office, "fast and furious" second, "now you see me" about

the same amount, "the internship" and "epic" 12.1. the lower four movies behind "the purge" were they far more expensive to produce? >> it's surprising. that's not a bad list. nowadays i was reading this book by the producer linda oaks called "the new abnormal" and in a given year these days nine out of ten of the top money makers will be see cequelsequels, rema reboots, relooting of the public coffers with property. >> and retreads. >> yeah. i happen to think "fast and fur russ 6" is good and i liked "iron man 3" too. when a studio ties up 100 to $200 million hoping for the giant payoff that means the smaller movies do not get made, okay, so i guess it's encouraging that, you know, the top five movies except for "fast

& furious 6" in the country are not sequels. "superman" comes out next week. >> i will think the summertime has become this "fast & furious 6" and "hangover 3". >> it's the parent company but you're not disappointed by the qualities of the movies in the summer. i thought you would be. >> sure. most of them are idiotic. nowadays the studios fray all the sort of prestige and really, really smart movies, they release in october, november, december, so they will be fresh in the minds of critics voting, year-end awards and oscar voters. >> richard. >> yeah. >> what's the relationship between movies and tvs? you have hbo, showtime, serious drama now on television. >> netflix. >> so have movies taken now a different space if you will in the american entertainment world because television is now moved up. >> do people still go? >> oh, people go to event movies

and, you know, they -- and a lot of the theaters make their money on popcorn now. i used to laugh at my sort of tv critic colleagues at the junk they had it to review. nowadays all the profound stuff is on tv. they can can do very serious situations and they can evolve them over time. and you have people like, you know, even people like jos weeden who made the avengers still would really work in tv. created "buffy the vampire slayer." you can do things with characters over six or seven years. "the sopranos." "mad men" right now. it really dwarfs what you see at the movies right now. i tend these days to gravitate towards the documentaries. there's the wikileaks documentary, is really good. there's one on morton downey jr. the predecessor, the raving lunatic who had a very sad story. this week a movie called "20 feet from stardom" about kind of

undersung backup singers could really break through because it's really exhilarating. and joss whedon did "much ado about nothing." it's the best shakespeare comedy i've ever seen. so on, on film i mean. so there is hope. with the studios tying up $200 million hoping for that billion dollar international payoff, it's a very depressing time to be a serious filmmaker. >> all right, thank you so much. >> you're very welcome. >> very good to have you. you're showing range, richard. still ahead, mike tyson delivers an entertainment knockout punch. he was funny last night. we're going to show you the former boxing charm's appearance at the tonys. he did not wear the kinky boots. the producer here with his shiny new tony award. ♪

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the tony goes to -- "kinky boots." >> you're going to have fun tonight! >> i can't say i wasn't practicing in front of the shower curt be for a couple days for this speech. >> billy porter, "kinky boots." >> i'm going to put this on the ground. >> let's hear it for "kinky boots."

>> when we understand, respect and accept people, other people, celebrate other people who might be a bit different than we are, we can change the world. that's the message of "kinky boots." >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. it is time to wake up. back with us on set -- you need to wake up, richard hass -- >> wake up or stay in bed? >> stay in bed. >> you've been on the air for two hours, joe, it's time to weak up. tell us about "kinky boots." please, thomas. i loved it! >> commercial break, that's what he was saying. >> tonys, "kinky boots." i knew this would happen. they got a few. >> they got a lot. look at that, best musical, best original score. harvey fierstein didn't win though which i'm kind of upset

about it. >> but cyndi lauper did. >> she was great. also performed her "true colors" song in memoriam for the people we've lost. look at her. >> i think she was the first woman to win that award. >> she gave a great speech. it was a great show. neil patrick harris did a great job. i stayed up too late. >> there were some other big winners as well. >> and louis was on the red carpet embarrassing us. another big tv story unfolding tonight. i wonder how's that gonna go. >> john oliver's taking over for "the daily show" for the summer. jon stewart is going off to direct a film. i believe he's a 36-year-old -- he might be younger than that. anyway, he's a young british man. >> yeah. filling some pretty big shoes. how would you like that, you have to replace jon stewart? >> well, he's filling in for him. it's a tall order.

you expect to see jon stewart. it's hard. john oliver's a very funny guy. >> i went to see the red sox play. went up to fenway. it was bueautiful. i was expecting to see noah on, like, friday night. the rain was insane. we thought saturday it would get rained out. took the kids up there. it really was. it was just absolutely gorgeous, you know, almost like field of dreams. >> first place too. first place boston/red sox. >> second place to the yankees though. >> we're looking forward to that. >> the orioles won. >> that's great too. >> thank you. >> thank you, stay in your lane. >> we all have -- >> this morning we are learning more about edward snowden in our top story. he's the government contractor and former cia employee who leaked the existence of two high-profile nsa programs that

target american's cell phones and some the most widely used internate providers and social media networks in the world. he revealed his identity through "the guardian." he's 29 years old and reportedly packed up his hawaii apartment and moved suddenly to hong kong in may, claiming a need for medical treatment. he'd been on a consulting job for the nsa for less than three months. and in an interview with "the guardian's glenn greenwald" and a filmmaker, he says her in expects to see his home again adding his eyes are wide open about what might lie ahead. >> i could be, you know, rendered by the cia. i could have people come after me. or any of their third party partners. we've got a cia station just up the road in the consulate here in hong kong. i'm sure they're going to be very busy for the next week. and that's a fear i'll live

under for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be. you can't come forward against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and be completely free from risk because they're such powerful adversaries that no one can meaningfully impose them. >> director of national intelligence james clapper has called the leaks gut-wrenching. the department of justice confirms a criminal investigation is under way. as many top lawmakers call for punishment to the full et extent the law. >>cy know your reporter you interviewed says he's got it all. he doesn't have a clue how this thing works. neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous. taking a very sensitive classified program that targets foreign persons on foreign lands and putting just enough out there to be dangerous is dangerous to us. it's dangerous to our national security. it violates the oath of which

that person took. i absolutely thing they should be prosecuted. >> senator feinstein? >> i do. >> "the guardian's" glenn greenwald. thank you for being with us. when this story first broke, we heard a lot of pushback from national security people saying, well, this is nothing new, this has been going on for some time, nothing to see here, move along. now we're hearing it's gut-wrenching, that it's a threat to national security. which is it, glenn? >> it's neither of those. the reality is u.s. government officials for many decades and certainly over the last ten years has been abusing their secrecy power to shield from the american public not programs that are designed to keep america safe but to conceal their own actions from the people to whom they're supposed to be democratically accountable. what we disclosed was of great

public interest, of great importance in a democracy, that the u.s. government is building this massive spying apparatus aimed at its own population. anyone who wants to say that any of these stories have harmed national security, i defy anybody to say anything we published that does that in any way. the only people who have been harmed are those in power who want to conceal their wrongdoing from the people for whom they're supposed to be accountable. >> how long has it been going on? is it becoming more intrusive by the year? >> well, there's several programs that we've reported on so far. and there's a lot more coming. so let's take the first one. the first one that the u.s. government is collecting under the guys secret fisa court. every single phone call and

storing those numbers in a database and constructing mass imdata files that enable all kinds of intrusive surveillance. experts say that it's more intrusive than being able to listen to your phone calls because it creates this massive picture of you, with whom you speak, where you are, what the reasons are. or you look at where the government is doing with silicon valley. these companies that are now the repositories for more communication information about human beings than any other place. facebook, yahoo!, skype, all of them, and this constant kn negotiation to allow the government access to enormous amounts of data. this is exactly the kind of thing whistle blowers are supposed to be doing. coming forward and informing fellow citizens about what's taking place. >> aren't all the programs that have been revealed legal? >> first of all, as far as whether members of congress have known about it, many did not.

even the ones who did, he -- le direct you and your viewers. just go and google the patriot act and what you will see is those senators on the senate intelligence committee have been trying to warn americans vocally as they can for years. the way that the obama administration is interpreting the patriot act is so warped and so extremist that, in their words, americans would be stunned to learn about the surveillance that the obama administration is engaging in on american citizens -- >> glenn, what is it that the obama administration is doing that is so stunning? can you tell us exactly -- >> i just told -- i just told -- i just told you what it is, mikka, we reported on it, it's the nsa is collecting the telephone records of every human

being in the united states without any regard to whether they even engage in wrongdoing. they're online chats, their online calls. the problem is those senators are constrained by law from doing or saying anything about it. you can say all you want, oh, the white house has gone to congress and briefed them on it, but when you inpose restraints on what they can do about it, even their ability to warn the american public about it, it that kind of consultation is impatient. it's meaningless. even senators couldn't tell us. it took a brave whistle blower to come forward and tell us. >> we have to put it in perspective. i want to bring richard hass in. isn't it the case that reviewing the e-mails or any wiretapping cannot take place without an additional warrant from a judge and a review? it's not like there's haphazard probing into all our personal e-mails. can we put this into context so we understand exactly what is

going on? >> the white house talking points you're using are completely misleading and false. the whole point of what the bush did when it disregarded and violated the fisa law and when the congress on a bipartisan basis enacted a new surveillance law in '08 was to enable the nsa to read e-mails between people in the united states and people outside of the united states without having first to go to a fisa court and get a warrant. the only time individual warrants are needed is when two people are both in the united states and are both american citizens. under that law the u.s. government and the nsa have the power and exercise the power to listen in on telephone conversations and read e-mails involving all kinds of american citizens and the senate has been repeatedly asking for the numbers of how many americans they're doing that too. the nsa keeps saying they can't provide those numbers. so those talking points you're reading from are completely false as anybody who has paid even remote attention -- >> glenn, i'd like to ask a question, is this legal or

illegal? or richard hass, can you help me out, since glenn doesn't want to answer. is the law being broken here -- >> i did answer your question -- >>cy don't question the law, i question all the issues this raises. is the law being broken? >> the law was broken by one person who was mr. snowden. you may think the law is unwise. if that's the case, there are mechanisms for challenging it. i also think the way the law's being interpreted right now is so excessive compared -- there's no way in the world -- >> it's amazing. >> there's no way in the world congress would have passinged this law for the fall of 2001 if they had known this was going to end up -- >> -- roll it back, that's the way things work. i wouldn't call it excessive, i would call it expanse i -- >> joe, can i make a point? regarding the question of illegality, the aclu and other groups have been trying for five years now to go into court and challenge the constitutionality

of the surveillance law. we do have laws regarding searches and seizures. they have blocked any challenge on the grounds of we keep it a secret. because we keep it a secret, no one person can say they've been eavesdropped on. if you want to talk about legality, the obama justice department has repeatedly blocked courts from ruling on the legality. if they think it's so legal, let there be a challenge in court. and let a court decide whether or not this really is legal and if it's legal so be it but there has been no adjudication because they haven't allowed one. >> sunlight is the best disinfectant. where is the line for you? because a lot of people have pointed out there is a line at which the public shouldn't know about some matters of national security. asthings and

you've been on it for a long time, should the public know everything that's going on and, if not, what shouldn't the public know? >> yeah, no, the source themselves, mr. snowden, went through lots of things and decided he would withhold lots of documents. he turned those documents other and asked us to be judicious about exercising journalistic assessments. we've purposely withheld all kinds of things that would enable other countries to improve their eavesdropping capabilities. things that would directly harm people. what weem done is published the things that are marked top secret that conceal what they're doing from the public. >> this is thomas roberts. you talk about why transparency is needed. you responded to congressman rogers. isn't this the perfect catch-22 because we can't have the evidence that proves this exists

to challenge it -- >> and that it's being abused -- >> without somebody coming forward like an edward snowden who some people would call a traitor, other people would call a whistle blower. doesn't it make it the perfect catch-22? >> yeah, i mean, i think that's the perfect -- i think that's such a crucial point. remember, the obama administration has prosecuted whistle blowers including ones who came out of the nsa. they've prosecuted whistle blowers under the espionage act at double the number of all presidents combined. the purpose of that is to create this climate of fear where people are petrified of coming forward because they don't want to end up prosecuted. it takes extreme amounts of courage to do what he did. but it's the only why we get transparency because that's the way the government has set it up. is the wall of secrecy behind which they operate is penetrable and is a real menace to democracy. >> coming up, "kinky boots"

dances off to some big awards at last night's tonys. all the best moments, and there were so, so many. up next, you know you're texting too much when this happens. that is not me, i square. why our fixation with smart phones raises serious concerns for our real relationship and our safety. and what it all means for the young texting generation. dr. nancy snipderman joins us along with m.i.t. psychologist sherry turkel. >> i want to know why no one helped her after she fell. ridiculous. good morning. if andrea wasn't bad enough on friday with the soaking rains, more is on the way. at least we had a decent weekend in the northeast. heavy rainfall earlier today around baltimore and d.c. now right over the top of allentown and downtown philadelphia. it's heading to the northeast.

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it ended up being the most horrible experience many of them have ever in their life, according to what they self-reported to us. >> researcher sergei and his colleagues asked students around

the world to go without their cell phones for 24 hours. >> the psychological impact was significant. >> 70% of them quit the experiment. saying they simply couldn't do it. >> they felt a tremendous amount of boredom. they were bored without it. they felt emotionally detached from the rest of the world. >> now, it's withdrawal, that's what the doctor's saying. just how hard it is for students all over the world to unplug from their smart phones. joining us from boston, m.i.t. psychologist sherry turkel. author of the book "alone together." also at the table, dr. nancy snyderman. brian back as well. you say it's withdrawal? >> absolutely. you watch these kids, trying to pull them away from the devices, blood pressure goes up, stress hormones go up. it is a real chemical -- it's

not just psychological, i miss my phone, there is a real physiological -- >> i was going to say, it's not just kids. i mean, your phone goes off every five seconds. you get nervous when it's not around, don't you? >> i do, i start to fumble. you can't really lecture your kids on this stuff -- >> we tried. sherry, i'll start here, we tried to limit cell phone use in our own household and our kids looked like they were going to die when we said you have to put your phones on the table at the end of the day and then you can pick them up in the morning. doesn't that make sense? why did they have such a meltdown? >> well, what i think makes most sense is saying there is zones in the house where you -- where the phones cannot be. the phones can't be in the kitchen. they can't be in the dining room. they can't be in the family room. i think that sometimes makes

more sense than saying, you know, no phones -- >> this is analogous to what we went through when we were teenagers and wanted the telephone near us all the time and our father saying no, the telephone stays in the front hall, if anybody can remember in those days. and in our house it's no phones at the dinner table. i think the challenge for kids is you cannot take these devices to bed with you because these really keep -- this instant messaging keeps these kids up. they're already sleep deprived. our teenagers are so stressed and sleep deprived. >> they don't know how to relate socially. you go into restaurants and you look and at either table you've got two kids looking at smart phone devices. >> sometimes these kids are talking to each other electrically across the table. they're not even like talking talking. >> you're not really there if

you're texting. and that is certainly the problem. i think it is somewhat of an addiction i feel. i mean, innoti noticed my child were sleep deprived. i don't think your brain can turn off if you're near a device. >> sherry, what is the impact of this, the cumulative impact of our children, on the generation? >> i think it's good to step back from addiction as the mo l model. because addiction, you have to go cold turkey. and i think that it's not helpful, although of course it looks a lot like addiction. i think it's more helpful to think of us as very vulnerable to this new technology and needing to find new ways to use it and make more healthy choices with it. once you say you're addicted, even though i grant you that it looks so much like addiction, we sort of frighten ourselves and fright be our children into thinking cold turkey is the only way. so i think it's better to think

healthy choices, what's the first healthy choice. we need to be with each other in order to form healthy relationships with each other. the phones can be there in healthy ways but not all the time to the detriment of the kinds of being with each other that we need to have in order to have relationships. so first thing, not in every conversation because people need to have human one to one, face-to-face, conversations with each other, in order to attach, in order to learn to listen to each other, in order to be with each other in the ways that count. so you're right -- >> that's what's really missing -- >> that's what's missing. so not at the dinner table. not at the dinner table, first rule. and parents are often the first defenders. and the families i study, parents take out the phone first. so parents have to model this.

absolutely no texting at the dinner table. no texting at break fat. and it's the parents who are taking out the phones at break fat to make sure they catch up with their e-mail. >> well that's the problem actually. >> nothing is -- nothing at dinner -- >> let's ask nancy. you put a fence around these areas also. but there's also, there's a problem with the way the mind works. we want to be careful because there's a lot of things we did growing up. my mom would come into my room and i'd be working on a lot of different tapes and editing stuff. she said, you're doing stuff that will not do anything for you the rest of your life. >> and look how it played -- >> actually helped me and made me more creative. here we want to be careful. when my older boys were growing up, you'd hear, hey, don't let them play video games. now we find out people want girls to start playing video games. so we want to be careful here. but what concerns me is -- i did

a commencement speech, you know, interruptions every 11 seconds, either 13 seconds, either 17 seconds. that has a significant impact on the mind. >> there was thought process and you had nuance of putting stuff together. it's this constant disruption of thought processes and the human reaction of just how we're sitting around, looking at each other and talking. this is going to sound almost '60-ish, we aren't in the moment enough. we all need our electronics, but you and i see each other in the hall, in that moment, i acknowledge you, and i don't thing we do that enough as human beings. >> how many times you get into an elevator and it used to be ten years ago, this is significant for my television. you're stuck in an elevator. you're in there for 15, 20 seconds, and you turn and you make a conversation with someone that you may not know, that you're uncomfortable with. this happens time and time

again. now you get into an elevator, e everybody immediately goes to po tician. >> my wife works at a high school. the thing these say to each other via text. just the conversations they have. they would never have the with whereall to have them in person. the responsibility to have conversations, to confront people, they don't have those life skills. >> i have seen that firsthand. >> it's nasty. >> i'm sitting here, my oldest is going to be 7 in a week so i know whatever her problem's are going to be in five years won't be this be -- >> sit false bravery -- >> you won't people to confront people and have conversations and they don't have them. >> especially for our boys. you want them to look in someone's eyes, have a firm handshake. those basic skills that carry you well into adulthood, that doesn't work when your face is constantly in a small screen. >> thank you both. up next, he's back. neil patrick harris.

takes the stage for the first time -- for the fourth time as emcee of the tony awards. ♪ here's a tony hit list ♪ try to write them all down ♪ first we started bigger than a cinderella ball gown ♪ ♪ shoutout to the ladies ♪ cyndi lauper talking in the shower ♪ ♪ no baloney ♪ girls just want to have fun ♪ you just won a tony ♪ it's because the best play was by durang durang ♪ >> look what's coming down the hall. those are my boots. morning joe theater. a recap of what was a very good night. >> massive, it was mass im. >> a very good night for "kirngy boots." the recap of the tonys straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ i can't let you go it's monday,

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okay, it's the biggest night on broadway so i'm not sure why we had louis go but he had a front row seat to the tony awards where last night's big winner was "kinky boots."

>> we're here at the 67th annual tony awards. neil patrick harris is hosting for the fourth time. what does it feel like to be part of the intro song? >> you know you've mailed it when your name is in the lyric of the opening number of the tonys. just like standing next to mike tyson. >> that was a lot of fun. >> girl, you're going to have fun tonight! >> to have broadway open their arms to me is pretty great. >> we love "morning joe." >> hey, joe. >> you think they'll ever call these awards the neils? >> i don't think so but they should. >> that's actually a pretty good name. hi, i just won a neily. >> not this year.

>> mr. tony would be very upset. >> i don't know that we'll change the name. >> what do you do to warm up? ♪ then i do -- ♪ >> i think i wouldn't be caught dead giving a vocal exercise. >> not everyone can own a pair of red kinky boots so what's the kinky et thing you own? >> we could. i think we do. >> it's part of -- >> this is morning television. >> i'm too old to have anything kinky. >> i won't tell you what they are. >> you don't want to know that. >> what network are we on? how dirty can i get? >> oh, come on. >> she's a married woman.

>> probably this boostier and that's it. >> "kinky boots." >> that's what i love about the on it yip tonys is that everybody gets to perform and we all get to be in the same place and celebrate each other. >> joining us now, president and principal owner of theaters, tony award winning producer jordan roth with the boots. >> i bring you boots. >> i love "kinky boots." so so happy -- how many -- >> six, including best musical. >> cyndi lauper. >> and cyndi lauper made history. she is the first woman composer ever to win a tony award. >> really? >> really. >> i was so happy for her. i feel like for so many reasons just watching her over the years this is just desserts. and i'm not even sure why. >> i think it is. she has given her heart to this piece with harvey fierstein. they created this world of "k

"kinky boots" and we're just living it. >> you feel her voice all over it. >> it won best musical, best original score, best lead actor. did you ever imagine when this first started it would end up here? >> you hope. you pray. you bring together a group of people that you love. and you hope when you get on stage the audience connects. it was an epic night. i was epically proud of my mouther. >> the cast, i kept talking about it, the cast is so good. everybody in it stands out. everybody is excellent. and i think that it's very hard to get a team that gels that way and has that level of talent. >> what happens -- again, my cnbc hat goes on, do you get a big pop out of this? >> this is good news. >> this is good news at the box

office and really for so many shows that were featured last night. the tony awards is an opportunity for broadway to share with the entire world what we do and what makes it so special. and all of the shows that performed, it really was broadway performance, particularly in the opening number. so many of the long running hits came back as well as all the new shows. >> i always marvel, by the way. what is it like backstage when you have all these people? how do they get ready and what if you bump into somebody, you can't get out there on time. it's crazy. >> all of the cast, hundreds performing, all of the cast get tressed in their own theaters. they're bussed in costume to radio city and then bussed back. because when you think about the hundreds and hundreds of cast members, they'd never all fit backstage. and it is face nating choreography to watch how that happens. neil patrick harris -- >> louis was fantastic. >> he is such, such a relief to

turn on an awards show and not have to sit through -- >> a bad host. >> awkward moments. this guy controls the stage. a perfect tone. he doesn't try to do too much. he's glib. he is perfect. >> neil patrick harris is truly the host of hosts. >> everyone's a star in "kinky boots." the young woman who plays the lead actress, tell me about her, she is amazing. >> she is broadway home grown and she is a star. >> wow. yeah. she has incredible range. even in -- i guess it's her one big solo. >> yes, "history of wrong guys." >> it is so good. >> which will become the audition song to end all audition songs. >> she must have had a lot of bad experiences because she brings it. >> i think the composer did and she did as well. how many hours sleep are you working on? >> i got four. but i will tell you -- >> i got four so you now are

ready to host "morning joe." >> look, i'll hang out, we'll pick another fight. >> see "kinky boots." it's so good. >> i will do it. all right, jordan, thank you so much for coming. congratulations. what a huge night. >> thank you. >> up next, brand-new polling in new jersey shows governor chris christie with a commanding lead in his run for re-election there. what do the numbers show for mayor corey booker in his just announced bid for the u.s. senate? that in today's business headlines when "morning joe" comes right back. [ male announcer ] i've seen incredible things.

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so chris christie's on fire, we know that dustup, blowing a couple million dollars -- >> yep, nothing to see here. >> but he's doing great. >> new poll numbers out from quinnipiac. chris christie is holding a 30-point lead. >> i'm not really good in politics. is that good, 59 to 29? >> also from quinnipiac, mayor corey booker. with an overwhelming lead over his competition. congressman rush hot and congressman frank pallone. booker has a 57% favorable rating with only a 14% unfavorable. >> that is -- you know what, man, i got to start saving babies in fires while tweeting with my left hand. >> exactly. >> that pays off. look at these numbers! you've got -- you run into bu

burning buildings and you save babies and you tweet at the same time, i'm telling you, man. this looks like a pretty good political routine. >> also, you know, governor rendell was saying he thought christie needed 60 to go national but i think 59/29 pretty solid. >> come on, man, if chris christie gets re-elected in a blue state with 55% of the vote -- >> huge. >> that's huge. republicans -- the last type republicans have won new jersey in a presidential race was 1988, i mean, that's a long time ago. chris christie is the first pro-life governor to win in new jersey since roe v. wade was passed. chris christie took on the most powerful unions in america and won overwhelmingly. i mean, he has impeccable conservative credentials and is a conservative's conservative on -- whether you're talking about abortion or -- whatever

you're talking about. and the guy's going to get re-elected. whatever he gets re-elected by. he's national. so anyway. let's go to -- >> the other bs. >> the guy who also goes national either morning. cnbc's brian sullivan. the battle lines are being drawn in the smart phone wars. >> right now, you've got to say that android is winning, joe. they've got the biggest worldwide market share. android is getting all the eyeballs. apple hopes to reverse that. this is a once a year event where they unveil something big. this year, the expectations are a bit muted to what apple's going to release -- >> why is that, because you know the iphone 5 came out, i was

expecting a big leap. there really wasn't much of a leap at all as far as the software. i mean, it's a thinner phone. but now we're talking about another iphone this fall without a big leap. >> it's not exciting. >> does that explain why apple's stock has collapsed over the past year? >> yeah, that's pretty much it, joe. iphone 5 was nice, a little bigger, little lighter. battery life in my opinion still kind of stunk. i-cloud's had its problems. there's a lot of talk about tv but there's no expectation. what we do expect or at least people expect is what some are calling i-radio which is basically going to be a pandora clone where you can stream music and then buy it directly through itunes. that's -- i think the biggest thing that people realistically expect. i just don't know how big that's going to be. >> boy, i don't -- i don't

either because there's so many services that beat apple into the market on that as well. all right, hey, brian, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. coming up next, a lesson from spain on how not to base jump. we'll show you what happens. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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joe." you know, i love video. i'm always on the youtube. like the kids, you know, and i'm on the you'tube, i'm on the google. i will sit at home a lot of times and listen to the vampire weekend. do you have any like youtube video of base jumpers from, like, spain, because i couldn't find any this weekend. listen to the vampire weekend. listen to, you know, the cold play and the stroke, you know, and i just can't -- couldn't find it. >> funny you should ask because i do. >> oh, really, what are we looking at? >> that's in spain. a female jumper. the para chute was upside down and she slams right into the building. she found a landing spot on the tenth floor. she stopped herself and -- boom.

>> please tell me nobody was hurt filming this youtube video. >> believe it or not -- >> she slams through that. the door was open. >> you are kidding me? seriously? >> is she alive? >> this is like bruce willis. you know -- >> don't look at the prompter. what do you think the worst injury was? >> a crush vertebrae, broken neck? >> she busted her nose. that was it. her go pro on her helmet was out of batteries so they couldn't even record it. >> oh, my lord. >> that was great, okay. we have that. i got to tell you, i still though, you know, i love the royalty, you know, and i wanted to see video this weekend, the latest from prince william. >> we couldn't find william but we found harry. is that okay?

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welcome back to "morning joe." what did you learn today? >> it's another piece of fodder in my fear the mikka fiphilosop. the glooenn greenwald interview you pushed back well. i was very, very impressed. >> accusing you -- i mean, would i ever accuse you of using white

house talking points? that hurts me. >> glenn never let me get to them. i was just trying to ask a question. i thought reporters asked questions. maybe not to glenn. it's equal payday. just saying. he was very testy. >> just wondering if you're going to base dive in spain, you pack your parachute, don't do it upside down. i'm not going to do that. live for a year, die hard. it's way too early. it's "morning joe." stick around for chuck todd who has never done this either. we'll see you tomorrow. ♪ don't bring me down a sneak peek. the 29-year-old former cia worker turned government contractor comes forward to say he's the one would leaked details about the nsa secret information gathering. and now the hunt is on to find him in hong kong. meanwhile, on capitol hill,