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him' the department of justice is preparing charges against him and the white house is ducking questions about snowden the search and potential charges. >> there is, obviously, an investigation under way into this matter and for that reason, i am not going to be able to discuss specifically this individual or this investigation. >> later today, representatives from the justice department, fbi and nsa and national intelligence, will be on capitol hill to brief the full house on those leaks. this is how speaks john boehner joining the ranks of lawmakers insisting that snowden broke the law and putting the nation at risk. >> hea's a traitor. the president outlined these are national security programs to help keep americans safe and give us tools to fight the terrorist threat that we face. >> joining me right now is ed pekkington of "the guardian" newspaper. great to have you here, ed.
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your colleague told the associated press we will have a lot more significant revelations that have not been heard over the next several weeks and months. so what can you tell us about what "the guardian" is sitting on and compare them to what the paper rah run with. is glenn saying the information that "the guardian" has right now ask is as sensitive or more than the paper has already reported on? >> you wouldn't want me to go took details. >> i would love you to. >> but i'm afraid i can't. all i can tell you i think people should expect more of the style of what we have already published. that is serious, responsible, measured material that has been held secret for many years in this country and that is now sparking a major debate across america and actually across the world about civil liberties in the digital aid and there will be more, glenn has has made that
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clear and made clear there will be more big stuff but very much in the same mold of what we have had already in the sense of a serious debate. >> certainly the information that the attention of lawmakers in washington, d.c. and i'm probably not exaggerating edward snowden is probably the most wanted man in the world right now. media reorganize today out of russia putin's press secretary say snowden might be foreign asylum there. anyone at "the guardian" still in touch with edward? is he still in hong kong? >> i personally don't know where he is and probably couldn't talk about it if i did, but i don't. what we do know is we can expect him to be pursued legally with great vigor by the obama administration. he will become the seventh person who has been involved in an official leak to be pursued
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by the obama administration. of the six, bradley manning, the u.s. sonel, his trial began last week and he is facing possible life and military custody with no chance of possearole. i think it's fair to say snowden is in a difficult spot but he knew that entering into and said he was going into it open-eyed and fairly away what could happen to hem. >> booz allen said they terminated their agreement with snowden yesterday. they came out saying he earned $122,000 a year. do you think you're in bed with an exaggerate rater? >> i can't explain the difference. up until now, everything he has said, all of the articles that we have published by glenn have been proven to be accurate. there have been no denials and they haven't come back with any misinformation or anything like that. so the big stuff has been
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totally bang on. >> 80,000 bucks to people in this country, i think, would be a lot of money. a big disparity there. thank you so much, ed. appreciate you coming on. joining me is senator bernie sanders. i hope you were able to hear the interview we did there with ed from "the guardian." we know what you've been hearing from the people on the hill colleagues calling for the prosecution and extradition. what do you say? is snowden a patriot whistle-blower or charged with treason? >> i say we have to focus on the real issue here. i know the media is going to get off into the manhunt and everything else. but here is the issue. the president said we should have a debate, let us have that debate and here is what the issue is. are we comfortable, thomas, with the fact that every single telephone call we make is on record with the united states government? is that what the fourth
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amendment is about? is that what freedom is about? is that what democracy is about? i happen to believe that terrorism is a very real threat to this country. but i also believe that we can effectively fight terrorism without undermining the basic civil liberties of this country. so the debate has got to focus on whether you want every prescription drug written to you, every website that you visit, every book that you read, every telephone call that you make to be registered by the united states government and understand that with the growth of technology, that is only going to get worse in years to come. are we comfortable with that? that is the debate the president said we should have and that is the debate we should have. >> let's talk about data mining. it will only get worse. new poll showing mantle of are in favor of some sort of data mining. 62% of americans feel security
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is important than privacy overall and the numbers get tighter when you talk about it. slim majority track phone tracking records -- >> first of all, that is fine, number one. number two, depends on how you phrase the question. the american people and i and you and everybody else wants our government to do everything that we can to stop terrorist attacks against america. nobody debates that but i also believe that most americans do not want to live in a society where virtually everything we do is recorded. not only by the united states government that is a good part of the discussion. we have to look at the private sector and we have to look at corporate america also recording what we are doing. we need to have that debate and i think at the end of the day americans will say let's go after terrorists when we have a probable cause. so i think as somebody who is consistently voted against the u.s. patriot act the remedy is tighten up that act and say when
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the government can make a case, reasonable suspicion, probable course, let's go after those guys. >> at this point, isn't the government asking for forgiveness, not permission? this is already going on and happening. right now, aren't we just roving that we are supposed to forgive the sins of what has already been done and figure out how to move forward as a society when we have to think not just as a country but how we are competing internationally to learn about what terrorist activities are going on around the world? basically, we are trying to be the country figuring out this information for precrime. >> well, look. you can say that, you know -- you could live korea. everybody knows what you're doing there. i think what the american people want is to know that government is vigorous. we don't want police officers stopping everybody that walks down the street. you have to have a reason to stop somebody.
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that what is the constitution of the united states is about and the bill rights is about. my own view is that we want to go after terrorists but there has to be reasonable suspicion, probable cause, not having the records of every single american or virtually every single american in the files of the united states government. i think we need to have that debate not only the government private sector as well how do we protect privacy in this age of exploding technology when they have the capability, government, private sector has the capability of knowing virtually everything that you do, read, see, hear. >> independent senator bernie sanders, thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. our question of the day is on our lead story. nsa data mining. should america outsource intelligence work? weigh in or find me on twitter at the following address. that is with regard to edward snowden a contracted employ of booz allen.
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state department is firing back against allegations it might have covered up within his own rank. nbc has obtained documents in disturbing allegations involve state department security presently and security agents and one ambassador. one report says one ambassador routinely ditched its -- it claims members of hillary clinton security detail allegedly engaged prostitutes while on official trips in foreign countries on the secretary's detail and this came to light because of a retired investigator with the inspector general's office who calls herself a whistle-blower and the investigation she helped conducted is whitewashed because of pressure from the high level officials.
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>> we were very upset. we expect to see influence, but the degree to which that influence existed and how high up it went, it was very disturbing. >> spokesperson for the state department jen socky denied those allegations yesterday. >> i'm not going to talk about specific cases but i can say proudly that the notion that we would not vigorously pursue criminal most conduct in a case, in any case is preposterous and we have put individuals behind bars for criminal behavior. there is a record of that. and ambassadors would be no exception. >> joining me right now is joel reuben a former state department officer. good to have you here. certainly a lot to go through because the memo is citing allegations of abuse in eight cases labeled open at the time including engaging prostitutes pedophilia and sexual assault and unexplained shootings and
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unauthorized leaking of information and possible underground drug ring. what does it say when a whistle-blower expected the influence but not so high up? >> well, thomas, there is a real process engaged and involved in understanding what is and is not taking place at the state department. we are talking about an agency of tens of thousands. the xrp generinspector general g at types of waste and congress is as well. when i was on the hill when i was at the state department -- >> this is about gaejing sexual assault and pedophilia and all of the dirtiest things you can think of and even unexplained shootings and drug ring. this isn't just about trying to cut cost corners. this is about actually fundamental immoral criminal behavior. >> that's right. that is what we are hearing about. there is a legitimate process. and going into the broader
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issues that the ig deals with as well is important to understand their context. what we have, though, we have to have legitimate accountability and oversight. nothing should be whitewashed and there are investigations under way all the time and i think that what we are watching right now is a danger of sort of an ongoing scandal in the media discussion where we don't have all of the facts and we have seen this in a variety of instances in the last several months and we are missing the big picture and it's a concern. for the state department and the inspector general's office, they just issued a statement saying they have been looking at these investigations and their under way. i think we really need to take a step back and make sure that we get all of the facts before judging in the middle of these processes. >> we certainly want all of the facts, however, this is piling on top of ben ghazi. how many more blows can the state department really take when they don't seem to have emerged from ben ghazi and now this is coming out?
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>> joel? can you still hear me? all right. sorry, we have lost jo there. apologize for that technical difficulty there. at this hour newtown families return to capitol hill and meeting with house speaker john boehner at this hour but will their pleas for gun control fall on deaf ears again some. will president obama's effort help or hurt with the first vote in the senate set for later today? the agenda panel will weigh in on that. here is a team decision. 50 years ago today that then governor george wallace staged his stand in the schoolhouse door to prevent african-americans from entering the campus. you can read more about that
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few minutes ago, a minority in the united states senate decided it wasn't worth it. they blocked common sense gun reforms even while these families looked on from the senate gallery. all in all, this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> so president obama almost two months ago flanked by family members of newtown, connecticut, stool shootings reacting angry after compromised legislation requiring background checks for gun buyers was defeated in the senate. six months after newtown the every as the president said that event is still not over. today saened hook families are back on capitol hill. thursday they plan to meet with john boehner and eric cantor.
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the new push days after the shooting rampage ended in the campus of santa monica campus. joining me is democratic senator richard blumenthal. newtown happening six months ago. the families at the time bombarded capitol hill with their presence and appeared with president obama several times. what do you think they can accomplish this time that they weren't able to accomplish before by coming back? >> they were enormously impactful then and will again especially in light of the santa monica shooting. a reminder that newtown far from being an isolated incident is part of a pattern of killings in america, more than 4,000 since newtown and what they accomplish here is their faces and voices are so impactful whether it's
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with staunch opponents or senators on the fence. they can be powerfully per saysisay persuasive. i think we will have another vote before the end of the year. >> republicans say the focus on hollywood and video games and mental health is where this should be. they are not open to background checks or limiting ammunition rounds or any kind of real gun reform. so what are house speaker boehner and congressman cantor lying likely to likely to do? >> we will see what we are will do when the is not act first and the momentum generated from the senate. i think that as the majority lead said some time ago, we are a couple of votes closer. the opinions are moving and particularly after the recess this summer when more of my colleagues hear from their constituents, i think we can hope for some changes in the handful of votes that we need as
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we organize and i think the key word is organize and mobilize as special interests have done over the years. i think speaker boehner and majority leader cantor will responsible to the same pressure. >> the shooter who went on a rampage in santa monica, california, raises new issues about mental health. the alleged shooter was' to access large stashes of weapons. no record he was mentally ill even those his friends and family affirm that he was. what do we say about people like him who are able to slip through the system? >> excellent point, thomas. mental health has to be part of the solution. we have said it again and again. mental health has to be improved in the services we provide and in the detection and diagnosis which, in in youtown, could have
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been critical as well as perhaps in santa monica. we can carry forward those issues even as we press for more comprehensive background checks. >> senator richard blumenthal, thanks for making time for me. appreciate it. >> thank you. hillary clinton joining twitter. not her first tweet but her bio has everybody speculating. we will show it to you. remember the interracial uproar sparked by this little girl? she will join us coming up with her real mom and dad. should america outsource intelligence work? weigh in on facebook or twitter. [ female announcer ] your smile... every day you stain it. so every day, use crest 3d white toothpaste to remove up to 90% of surface stains in just 5 days. no wonder the number one whitening brand
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bully pulpit to keep the heat on congress to act. strange bed fellows. plan c. president obama's administration ending the fight on the morning after pill. those are the hot topics. vivian flounder joining and jed legman an ronnie grim from the huffington post. great to have you here. we lead off this discussion talking about the immigration push because in the last hour, the president was at the white house giving i guess, the latest face to put -- the latest human face on immigration starting his conversation by bringing out a dreamer and introducing a dreamer to the audience there and talking about what could get done. i want to play exactly what the president said about trying to find the middle ground on immigration reform. take a listen.
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it's a compromise. and going forward, nobody is going to get everything that they want. not democrats, not republicans, not me. but this is a bill that's largely consistent with the principles that i and the people on this stage have laid out for common sense reform. to business owners and to legality immigrants. and there is no good reason to undo the progress we have already made. >> he talks about this being the best chance. are we really up against the clock here? the time crunch before the recess of july fourth and what do you make of the president coming out today addressing the fact it's not perfect but it's good? >> i think the president is very aware of the fact another big visual going on in washington
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with the immigration debate. so it's really interesting to see the president speaking about this surrounded by a coalition of support. as you were saying earlier what i like to call immigration strange bed fellows. you have evangelical leaders and when you look at the debate going on in congress you will see the face of opposition. that is the contrast. >> as you talk about strange bed fellows here, here is steve case who attended the remarks with the president today. steve, great to see you. explain to all of us what made you stand there with the president today for this? >> i've been working for a decade on trying to reform the high schooled immigration the last couple of years focused here in washington on things like the start-up america of president's job council and key objective is winning the global battle for talent. how to have the best come here and stay here and start companies here to drive our economy but i realized a year ago the only way we get that
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passed is embrace a comprehend solution and build bipartisan solution for it. gang of eight and the judiciary committee and hits the senate floor and i'm confident we can get this passed and signed by the president the end of the summer. >> global battle for talent is a great way to take about it. the president spoke about how the immigration reform will impact american workers now in the future. what would that mean you? >> we are a start-up nation. the reason we have the leading economy in the world is the work of entrepreneurs who create great countries. half of the fortune 500 companies are started by second generation immigrants and high tech companies in silicon valley and elsewhere. we have to have the best talent and to do that we have to patch common sense immigration reform that deals with this issue and deals with it in a broad enough way you can build the kind of bipartisan support missing in the past. i think we have a moment now and we all have to join together in
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a bipartisan way that the president's remarks were terrific. the signals were getting from people and on the republican side and the senate and the house i think are also encouraging and if people work together in a good faith way and say now is the time to get this done i'm confident it will get done. we will remain the no int entrepreneurial nation in the world. >> i want to bring our panel back in right now. we talk about the fact there is a unique time for compromise in washington, d.c. certainly people have been vocal about where the sticking points are in coming to any immigration reform. mitch mcconnell has been vocal about this and recognizing that he feels there are flaws on immigration reform, this bill. take a listen. >> at the risk of stating the obvious, the bill has serious flaws. i'll vote to debate it and for the opportunity to amend it but in the days ahead there will need to be major changes to this
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bill if it's going to become law. >> judd, the serious flaws, is he trying to shine a bright light on what they feel is the lapsesed border security in this bill? >> well, i think that is really the issue they are keying on and it's kind of odd because marco rubio and the other republicans who are part of the gang of eight were the ones who drafted this legislation and now rubio himself is saying this language that i drafted is no longer sufficient and i might not vote for the bill. so it's an interesting double game that is going on, at least by some of the republicans. but it looks like that they are going to have this vote that will kick off the debate. and, you know, there's a possibility that those issues could be resolved and move to the house which is where an even tougher ballots begins. >> while that is going on, everyone is, obviously, distracted by the big news with the nsa, the leak that happened with edward snowden and whether or not "the guardian" is running
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with more sensitive material. you wrote a piece about this, ryan, strange bed fellows, talk about that, the connective tissue made now with people on polar opposites? >> this is kinds of a shaking out of the politics that started right after september 11th. it traces decades back brnt but right after -- painting democrats as borderline. a lot of these new republicans didn't have experience drafting this post 9/11 legislation and they didn't have ties to the leadership that had fought those
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battles and they had an extreme distrust of gost. the first time that house leads brought the patriot act extension to the floor, the tea party shot it down. ever since then a push and pull going on inside the republican party that we haven't seen since the 1920s or so this has been exacerbated. >> it's the right thing. but doing it without any real oversight seriously jeopardizes the rights of all americans. we have to find a way to give the president the power he needs to protect us while making sure that he doesn't abuse that power. you can't have a hundred percent security and also then have a hundred percent privacy.
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>> so, ryan, is this it boils down who is watching the watchers and what is the capability of our government and the muscles that are going to be flexed and needed as we advance as a society into the future? the genie is out of the bottle and not going anywhere. we need to be aware of it. >> when president bush was in power republicans pretty broadly supported the president's extension of this authority and in 2006 democrats opposed this type of use of power and republicans supporting it. today, democrats control the levers of executive power and polls show democrats are standing behind the president much more time this time around. >> is this just their authority? because extended authority means that it's only temporary. >> where are they getting the authority some they are asserting the authority.
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if nobody pulls it back from them, then, sure, they are exercising authority but where does it actually come from? >> so one thing we want to get on as well because this has been a big news maker today is about the administration announcing it's ending fights to keep age restrictions on the morning after pill. jed, you noticed they asserted it to plan b but only reversed for -- not for the generics. there is a price differential, a big one. >> right. i think it really shines a light on potentially the power of the pharmaceutical industry because we have seen them dropping their objections over age restrictions for plan b, the brand name of this morning after pill, but the generic alternatives which are much cheaper and more affordable and much more readily available for people who need it they will maintain the same restrictions.
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the reason is that these generics rely on two pills rather than one pill. doesn't seem like a huge hurdle even for a relatively young woman or girl to figure out. >> why the about face? >> i think it has a lot to do with the fact that there's a lot of politics involved. when the president got involved in this and he spoke on this, he put on the cap of father 234 nchief and actually referred to his daughters and said, my goodness. i don't know how i would feel to think my daughters can go and get this kind of medication without me knowing about it. but he firmly put the politician in chief hat on because there have been losses in the lower courts and all indications this would lose yet again on a much larger scale in the larger context of the battles brewing in washington the president can't afford another loss. >> thank you all for joining me. appreciate it. if you didn't get enough of the
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two weeks since a cheerios commercial and i would the air waves and what an american family should look like hit the air. this little girl asking her white mom the health benefits of cheeri cheeri cheerios. the dad in the commercial is black. after racist comments and cheerios parent company disabled the comments section but refused to stop airing this ad. here is what the vice president of marketing had to tell nbc. >> we were trying to portray an american family and there are lots of multicultural families in america today. >> joining me right now is the star of that commercial, 6-year-old grace colbert who plays the little girl on the cheerios commercial and her real
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life parents janet and christopher join me. grace, how did it feel to land this commercial as a young actress and how did your friends respond to it when you got back to school? was it a good reaction when you got back to school? how did the kids react to seeing you? it was good. >> they said they saw my commercial. >> they said they saw your commercial. was it fun to make? yes? was it a fun commercial to make? >> was the commercial fun to make? >> union what he is saying! >> was the commercial fun to make? >> very fun to make! >> very fun to make. okay. excellent. christopher, dad, i want to start with you about this. the commercial certainly sparked a big debate on social media and families like yours is changing the face to america.
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what is your reaction to the response of this commercial has gotten? >> when we first saw the first five commercials -- i mean the five comments, they were good and then it started to get negative after that point. my reaction to it was very exciting because being a part of the biracial family is just a reality. we're also part of the face of america and so america needs to see this is just a way of lirve and this is the way that life is today and so i wasn't upset or anything. i was pretty much really excited about having this type of reaction so we could see where we still stand in america but look out, america, because this is just reality. >> janet, i want to talk to you about the support because there has been support by one estimate, the commercial got more than 37,000 thumb's up
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compared to just 1,900 thumb's down on youtube before the section was disabled. one blogger wrote saying the commercial is a huge step for interracial families like mine who want to be seen in public together and maybe eat some heart healthy snacks but it validates the existence of biracial and multiracial people. has the backlash for you and your husband had to push sensitive conversations at home between you and the kids? >> not really. our kids are very open and, you know, they -- i inquired about -- to my daughter about it and she actually just thought the attention was because she had a great smile. so she really had no idea. so we just left it alone. >> she does have a good smile. we can see it right there. the marriage of interracial companies has quadrupled in the most survey. 2010 survey showing a 32% jump
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of those who identify as multiracial and one contributor for "time" magazine wrote an article about this is progress because it's going to force us to have conversations about race. do you agree with that? do you think it's forcing us to have much needed updated conversations about race and american families today? >> yes. that is what i was saying. that is why i'm so excited about the reaction toward the commercial and the biracial families, because once again, that is just the way of life, you know? there's many other things that we could talk about in america, but this -- this still being an issue, people having a problem with whom i choose to love or
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whom you choose to love, it shouldn't be -- it shouldn't be an issue any more. i actually don't understand that it's still an issue that keeps going and going and going. but, yeah, like i said it's exciting to hear so we know what to look at and how to move forward and become a better america. >> janet, real quickly. i think grace has trouble with her ear piece. has she gotten more commercials? can you ask her? is she booked for any more commercials? >> have you booked for any more commercials since your cheerios? she's gone on some awuditioned. >> yes? >> a bunch. >> we wish you will all of the best of luck and grace the best of luck in owner youher young a
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texts from hillary, now tweets from hillary. hillary clinton has officially joined twitter. her first tweet was a nod to the text from hillary blog creator. she wrote thanks for the inspiration. i'll take it from here. her twitter biohas people buzzing. s at the very bottom of the list she has tbd which is perhaps a nod to a 2016 run. take a look at how the president reactioned when
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someone's cell phone rang during an immigration speech he gave earlier today. what was true years ago is still true today. who's beeping over there? you're feeling kind of self-conscious, aren't you. it's okay. >> it happens. well, the "new york post" reports the pearl jam front man eddie vetter played for a presidential audience friday night. he played at the l.a. fund-raiser for ben affleck's eastern congo initiative. bill clinton was in attendance. edward snowden has been the subject of late night. >> he doesn't want to live in a society where a society monitors its people. then he fled to china. >> well, you can hack into the
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president's e-mail account. in the meantime, can you just get my [ bleep ] e sell to work? >> having a good time with it. that's going to wrap things up for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern. alex wagner is coming up next. hey, thomas. >> what are you doing over there? >> i'm just saying the teleprompter where i read off script and everything that's supposed to be there is not there so i'm reading it off this piece of paper. we're going to be talking about edward snowden and we're talking about the nature of intelligence gathering in the u.s. and the military surveillance complex. we will talk access with "the guardian's" spencer ackerman. plus, the president is reminding the public and congress that nobody will get everything they want when it comes to immigration reform, but will anybody get anything at all? we'll discuss all of that coming up next on "now." we all have on. that perfect spot. a special place we go to smooth out the ripples of the day. it might be off a dock or on a boat.
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it's tuesday, june 11th and this is "now." jason borne or kaiser sosa? either way, edward snowden has dropped off the grid. a day after "the guardian" posted an interview with snowden in a hong kong hotel room, he checked out and has since disappeared. the department of justice is filing criminal charges against snowden which could help with extradition once, and if, he does resurface. yesterday senator lindsey graham lit the flaming torches after global manhunt tweeting, i hope we follow mr. snowden to the ends of the earth to bring him to justice. but while authorities search for a man who so far managed to hide himself, there are new questions about why had he access to america's most hidden programs. snowden notably was not a government employee. he was a low-level computer technician who work for the security contractor booze alan hamilton for just three months at an office more than 4,000
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