>> set it and forget it. >> set it and forget it. let's use that across the board. what have you learned today? >> that's what i learned, set it and forget it and get some screens, don't share everything. i apologize. >> stay up all night to think of something like this. >> good guy, nice guy. it's way too early. what time is it? >> it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a great day. protesters and riot police face off in a new round of violent clashes in turkey. the target of all that anger, a three-time democratically elected leader and a critical american ally. landmark immigration reform bill clears its first hurdle in the senate with bipartisan support. but how many of those republicans who voted to start the debate will still be on board when the vote actually comes? in virginia, the ticket is now set for the democrats. in what will be the most watched race in the country this year.

and as the republican in massachusetts seeks to separate himself from his party, president obama hits the trail for the democratic nominee today in boston, ed markey. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. packed show ahead include a dive into the skyrocketing cost of college. we also continue to monitor the health of former south african president nelson mandela who remains in the hospital for a fifth day. nbc news has learned mandela is responding to treatment and that his family is optimistic about the progress he's making. we're all very hopeful there. let's get right to my first read of the morning. we begin in turkey where there's an uneasy calm this morning. that's despite fighting between police and anti-government demonstrators that seem to reach a new level overnight. riot police used tear gas, water cannons to try to disperse crowds in ankara in some of the worst fighting yet. thousands have been hurt over

the past two weeks. at least four have been reportedly killed. today, prime minister erdogan is planning to meet with a group of public figures about the recent unrest. it is unclear who will attend or if there's any chance it will end the protests. erdogan himself has repeatedly criticized the demonstrators, calling them bums and vandals. rhetoric that is only serving to reinforce the image painted by his detractors, that he's turning into a dictator, leading an increasingly authoritarian regime. all of this has put the u.s. in a very awkward spot. turkey, a key diplomatic and strategic ally. a country the u.s. has long held up as a positive example of a muslim democracy that works. and of course hoping turkey exerts an important influence in the region in places like iraq and syria. president obama spent a lot of capital to try to raise the level of importance of turkey. as they hope that country can help stabilize all of these situations. not end up adding to it the

chaoses that appears now. to that end, there may be no world leader the president has more conversations with than prime minister erdogan and the desire to maintain a strong relationship may explain the relatively bland statement that's come out of the white house about the situation in turkey. quote, we continue to follow events in turkey with concern and our interest remains supporting freedom of expression and assembly, including the right to peaceful protest. let's go to richard engel now, he's of course our chief foreign correspondent. he's been going around taksim square in istanbul and all around the city. you reported things appear to be calmer. this just a pause or is there some sort of uneasy peace that may break out? >> reporter: it's hard to know. i'm in taksim square right now and it looks much calmer than even it did a few hours ago. there are riot police here. but they are not wearing their helmets. they're not holding up their shields. they're sitting down. they're around the edges of the

square. there are people just wandering around. traffic has resumed in the area. cafes have opened up. a florist is now opened up. he's selling flowers. as people come and walk through this square. there are still protesters. you have to understand, taksim square is divided a little bit into two sections. there is the green yeah which is the park, which is the place of this protest. and then there is the large cement area where the clashes were taking place yesterday. and now in that paved area, traffic has resumed and it seems quite normal. if the park, there are still a few thousand demonstrators. they say they won't leave. but there haven't been any clashes between the police and the demonstrators thus far. if this lasts, and it has lasted so far to today it could mean that the worst of this is over. but it doesn't mean it will last. could have a few people who come out, provoke a conflict.

that could escalate. but for now it's holding. >> richard, a lot of outside observers watched the actions that erdogan was ordering yesterday. and really it didn't sit well with a lot of democracy advocates that, you know, i was talking to. and responding with. is he -- how is this playing inside turkey with the middle class, with sort of the -- not the parts that we're seeing, the government versus the protesters. do we get a sense of sort of how the average turkey middle class resident has been responding to erdogan's tactics? >> i think the country is really divided. and half the country is with erdogan and has been watching what has been going on and watching the crackdown and thinks this is a great thing and thinks the protesters in the square are troublemakers and deserve what they're getting. however, many opposite parties, student groups, environmental

groups, who thing that erdogan needs to be challenged and supports this. so i don't think you can really say that the average turk is falling one way or another on this. it depends on their political view. supporters of erdogan by the way are planning on holding their own demonstrations which are guaranteed to be large because he does have about half of the country behind him. on saturday and sunday here in istanbul. >> all right, richard engel right now is in taksim square for us. richard, thanks very much. richard, we'll keep checking in. well, back here in washington, immigration got its first test vote in the senate and the result was overwhelming for reformers. as every senate democrat and two-thirds of senate republicans voted to again debate on the ambitious overhaul of the nation's immigration laws. it was a vote of 82-15. senate launched the debate which majority leader reid hope, to wrap up with a final vote on the bill itself before the fourth of july holiday. in era of calculated

partnership, 82 votes on anything is a big statement. the goal for immigration reform proponents hasser in been to get the bill passed. that they can do today. the goal is to get it over 70, maybe 75. so how do republicans do that? let's take a look at the list of 28 republican senators who voted for cloture, meaning to start the debate, and the 3 more who did not vote. there are probably about 11 likely yes votes we know of. that includes the four gop members of the gang of eight. and then senators -- excuse me, flake and graham, and then senators like kelly ayotte who publicly said they're voting for the bill and other republicans who appear to be align through the debate with the pro immigration reform side. that includes warren hatch. there are eight senators you could call the southern swing votes. there are eight more swing votes potentially out of the midwest. and senators all voted

overwhelmingly for to move this debate forward. you look at them and there's three probable nos. senators cornyn of texas, mcconnell in kentucky and probably the nrse chair jerry moran who split kay mpoliticall to do it. >> i voted to proceed to the bill. i think it's important for us to address the issue. i think the status quo is completely unacceptable. i think where i end up in the end is going to be dependent upon what the bill looks like at the end. >> rounding out the senate math when it comes to where reformers get the 70 votes, there's kentucky senator rand paul. i call him a caucus of one who deserves his own swing vote catego category. if he votes yes, he could provide cover for a whole bunch of other folks. maybe even add five or six more additional yes votes. get it to 75 or 80. so what does this all mean? supporters can still lose more than a dozen votes on the final

vote and still get those symbolic 70 votes which is still pressuring john boehner to move on the legislation even if he doesn't have a majority of the majority in the house. one curious no vote was illinois senator mark ker. 2012, 12% of all illinois voters were latino and they broke for obama. very blue state. very interesting vote. yesterday the debate did get to get those 70 votes began with a first. tim kaine gave what's being called an unprecedented 14-minute speech on the floor entirely in spanish. kicking off debate which lasted into the night and begins again this hour. [ speaking? sp . [ speak iing in spanish ] why should we reward people who have demonstrated their inability to comply with our laws, why should we reward them with a pathway or a possibility of earning american citizenship?

>> if we do nothing. if we do nothing. if this bill fails and we do nothing, that's de facto amnesty. >> to date, less than 40 miles out of the 700 miles of fencing required by law has been completed. my amendment, amendment 1197, simply requires that we implement current law prior to legalization. as an indication that we are serious, serious about border security. >> speaker john boehner will likely have to do it through democratic votes. saying, my job is to ensure all members on both sides have a fair shot at their ideas. interesting way for him to put it. something democratic leader harry reid calls music to his ears. conservative leaders put up a road block yesterday. they wrote a letter to lawmakers in the house to put pressure on boehner to amend party roles to codify the so-called hastert

rule which prevents legislation from coming to a vote unless the majority of the majority party supports it. groups including the club for growth have all signed on. that pressure for boehner will only get harder for him if he does bring the vote to the floor and it doesn't have more, 50% plus one of the house republican majority. all right. finally turning to the campaign for 2013. after the primary that drew less than 3% of the voters, the democratic ticket is now set in this year's most consequential race of the year, the governor's race in virginia. former dnc chairman terry mccullough will not have to compete with the attorney general with a northern virginia only ticket. democrats picked a state senator from norfolk to be their lieutenant governor. he beat former u.s. chief technology officer chopra with 45% of the vote.

northam is a pediatric neurologist and retired major in the navy. who won a primary endorsement from planned parenthood. ralph herring, another state snoshgs was the pick for attorney general, winning nearly 52% of the vote. he ran as something of the opposite of ken kuchineli, making an issue of women's health, including birth control. also in virginia, two republican house incumbents who backed governor mcdonald's transportation deal were defeated by more conservative o opponents in primaries. president obama travel, s to campaign for markey. probably has this fact in mind. the last time he stumped in a special senate session in

massachusetts, it didn't turn out. which ended being the democrat's filibuster proof majority at the time. it was the conditions that helped brown win a surprise victory in 2010. at the time, the national unemployment rate was near 10%. the president's approval rating was just 48% at the time. now it's nearly ten points higher. brian was also boosted by the health care legislation's unpopularity. a poor democratic candidate. a democratic party caught by surprise. and a washington that was controlled solely by democrats. so does lightning strike twice for republicans in massachusetts when markey faces off against gomez less than two weeks from today? if you look at those numbers, the answer's probably not. if you'd want to sit there and do those comparisons. still, obama's going because they're nervous. his visit to massachusetts comes one day after markey and gomez clashed in their second debate. that's yet another difference between january 2010 and now. this white house is much more

engaged in this race. in the debate with this political landscape in mind, gomez did his best at every opportunity to run away from his party. >> i'm a green republican. i believe in climate change. i believe that humans have had something to do with climate change. there are people in my party who deny science. extending this into gay rights. if two people are in love, they should be able to get married. it should be a fair tax code. the more you make, the higher your rate is. i think it's a disgrace we have to have an act that makes women equal with men. >> gomez also unexpectedly announced his support for a democratic bill that would raise the federal minimum wage to $10 an hour. he criticized his party on guns. >> i think there's a lot of people in my party that are wrong on gun control. i am firmly behind passing the bill, the expanded bill, which

by the way the nra hates. i think the nra is completely wrong on this. there's a big difference between mr. gomez and myself on assault weapons. he supports the nra position. opposing a ban on assault weapons. i support a ban on assault weapons. but we're not west virginia. we're massachusetts. we're not the lag guards. we're the leaders. >> overall, the debate was a bit testy. there was one odd moment where markey fumbled a rebuttal line. >>cy heard mr. gomez talk about math and the budget. it's really not math. it's just arithmetic. it's very simple arithmetic. it's not as complicated as math. it's something you learn in grammar school. >> well, it's really not english, it's the language arts. for more on how democrats are rallying behind markey, check out our website after the show. up next, paying the price.

the real cost of cheap student loans. the skyrocketing cost of college. former governor mitch daniels, he used to have to do state budgets, is now a university president. first, a look ahead at today's politics planner. as you can see, we know where the president heads. big day. actually ends up finishes his day in miami after going to boston. aerial castro pleaded not guilty, believe it or not, in the cleveland kidnapping case. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. this day calls you. to fight chronic osteoarthritis pain. to fight chronic low back pain.

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education nation focus and the financial burden being shouldered by millions of students and their families just to get through school. more and more, the cost of college has become a critical part of deciding where kids will go. frankly, if they go at all. a study by the university of california earlier this year found that 43% of college freshman say tuition costs are a very important factor. highest percentage ever recorded on that question. it's no wonder. on the left, you can see the average tuition cost of the college semester. over the past ten years, the average cost for a private university is up more than 25%. for public universities, ready for this it it's up more than 60%. that does not include room and board. it would be one thing if it was increasing at the rate of everything else but it's not. in that same time period in what may have been an attempt to take advantage of the fact that

parents and students could get cheap loans, the average tuition cost rose 71%. at public universities, tuition costs have more than doubled. president obama called on congress to freeze student loan rates as part of an effort to keep higher education from getting out of reach. >> we can not price the middle class or folks who are willing to work hard out of a college education. we can't keep saddling young people with more and more and more debt just as they're starting out in life. >> so as college has become more cost prohibitive, universities are being forced to come up with new ways to get students to enroll. schools are offering record amounts of financial assistance to incoming freshman. other universities are freezing tuition and cutting costs to make their programs more attractive. this spring, purdue university announced it will freeze tuition at its flagship campus. mitch daniels is the president

of purdue. he's in washington to receive the prize in outstanding achievement. congratulations on that. this issue of college, you know, we're having this political fight over the cost of student loans and the interest rate there. but the root cause has been this incredible i would say irresponsible increase in the cost of education over the last 20 years. is there any defense? you're just there so you don't have to own the problems of the last 20 years. is there any defense over this from the university community? >> i think it was only human for people to do what they did. no, i think the outcome's indefensible. we at purdue are -- decided we're getting off, first of all, the sticker price treadmill. there was an assumption apparently correct for a while that the more you charge, the more value people would assume was in the product, which is not the case.

you know, student loans -- >> because it was so easy, people -- my theory was it's too easy to get loans, too easy to make a parent get a second mortgage. >> absolutely. with the best of intentions, we subsidized loans and grants into higher eds. students and their families were no better off. so i think something very different is coming. and universities, and we intend to lead there at purdue, will need to deliver an excellent education at a very affordable price. prove that students learned and grew while they were there. we think that's the future. not a continuation where we've been. >> do you think you will have a market of students that graduate in less than four years? basically, universities become -- the idea of the four years is an obsolete number. >> i really think that's a great goal to have. four years is not the rule for

instance in europe and other places. if we used our facilities, more in the summer, as we're working hard to do, make at least possible for students to move quickly and go to school year round if you wanted to. we're a major engineering and technology school. we've got a number of disciplines that probably do require four years or even a little more. but that's okay because our students get employed when they leave. they make good incomes. they don't have trouble paying for any student loans that they might have taken. we've got to make sure that's the case ten years from now. >> what is it universities are using this money for? i look at where i went to school at gw and they made a massive building expansion. new buildings and new dorms. i thought, boy, they built these new dorms but does every -- it almost feels like it was extravagant, unnecessary -- >> you're right. country club amenities. food that's so good you wouldn't recognize it if you went to school even a few years before.

i mean, i lived on rameen noodles, there's nothing wrong with. really very lavish facilities. that's certainly part of it. administration has grown. it's not all the university's fault. a lot of it was required by government and so forth. but no question that it's been too easy to add these nice to do items and just send the bill to, a, taxpayer, b, the student's family. and that game's up. >> i want to ask you a pet issue of mine when it comes to university presidents and that's the ncaa. is there any way of making this a functioning body that football fans can feel confidence in, that the ncaa is a fair organization, but at the same time, also has the students in mind first? >> gee, i hope there's an answer to this somewhere.

purdue meets three tests that i wish every university did. has very high standards of conduct for all its student athletes. high standards of academic performance. our athletes have outperformed the student body. and we pay for ourselves. there's no subsidy from the tuition dollar to the athletic problem. >> one of only seven division 1 schools in the country that do that. >> the ncaa, and i do know these folks, they're full of really good people. they want to do the right thing. they don't have the tools really to enforce many of the improvements and reforms they'd like to, i know, bring. i think they're working on it as hard as they can. i really think universities are going to have to police themselves. >> are you done with politics? >> yes. >> you are? >> as much as you can be on a university campus. >> they say it's even worse than anything, any capital, right? >> no, it isn't. >> all right. fair enough.

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it's not possible for the congress to do the kind of vigorous oversight that the president spoke about if you can't get straight answers. >> there's your challenge. that was democratic senator wyden calling for hearings on the recently leaked nsa programs.

as the aclu filed the first lawsuit tuesday to challenge the constitutionality of these surveillance programs. technology comes like google, facebook and microsoft are asking the government officials to lift the long-standing gag orders that cover the extent of their participation in the programs. joining me now, senator cardin. good morning to you. >> pleasure to be with you, thank you. >> let me start with ron wydens critique there. talking specifically about the fact that he tried to have oversight about this issue. he was clearly hinting at this issue of gathering telephone records. and he couldn't get a straight answer because james clapper felt like he was going to be violating an order of giving out classified information. how do you do your job, senator? >> i think we do have to have more transparency. but much of the oversight will be done in a classified setting. the collection of mass data is

well understood. that was part of the authority that congress gave to the administration subject to the supervision of a court and sung to congressional oversight. we want to make sure we have the right balance between keeping americans safe and your privacy rights. so how that information is used is really the question. and that's where oversight is critically important, both in the courts and in congress. >> what could be more transparent? >> well, i think we -- the process of how we go about protecting individual freedom is something that can be done in an open forum. but talking about specific information and how that specific information was utilized, in other words, connecting the dots, is something we will need to keep classified. >> i want to ask you about a report this morning that senator carl levin plans on dropping senator gillibrand's amendment to defense authorization bill that has to do with the issue of this sexual assault epidemic that's taking place in the military where senator

gillibrand wants to take it out, take sort of the punishment issues out of the chain of command. senator levin is against that. where do you stand on this issue? >> i'm a co-sponsor of senator gillibrand's proposal. i think it's very difficult for a person involved in a sexual assault issue to be able to report to the chain of command. i think it's important that we have a direct reporting to the prosecutors. other countries have done this very successfully. we know we have a problem within our military. and i think senator gillibrand's propose an, removing it from the chain of command, would be a positive step. >> is there anything moving quickly to i grammigration, is e anything about the immigration bill that you find problematic that somehow would make you vote against it? >> no, no, i support the immigration bill. would i like to see it improved? absolutely. would i write it differently? absolutely. i think we have to be realistic. this is our best chance to get comprehensive immigration reform

done which will not only froth our borders but give a pathway to citizenship of 11 million people who are currently in the shadows. i think it's the best way to go. >> do you worry there are too many concessions being made by senator schumer as was hinted at this morning, that harry reid and dick durbin are concerned there's too much of a push to get 70 votes and too many concessions are being made? >> i want to make sure the bill remains balanced. we need to make sure there's a legitimate pathway to citizenship. it's got to be earned. they have to pay taxes. they have to learn english. they have to make sure they haven't violated our criminal statutes. that i think is reasonable. if we go too far, then i'd rather have just a fewer number of senators voting for it then trying to get a big number just for the sake of getting a big number if it means we're going to have to compromise the bill beyond where we should. >> democratic senator from maryland, senator cardin, thank

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the u.s. senate characterizes the vice presidential office as, quote, the least understood, most ridiculed and most often ignored office in the government. thanks to a hit hbo show, maybe that's starting to change. or is it? >> angry birds. >> and why is it so angry? >> because it wants to destroy all of the -- >> oh, of course. angry birds. >> it is an -- a computer game. it is successful. we give to you to reflect our

place as a pioneer of software innovation. >> i'm a huge fan. >> you have played it? >> yes, yes. although violence in games is a concern. >> that was the fictional vice president selena myer during an awkward encounter with the fictional finish prime minister. how much fiction reflects fact? joining me now is the creator and executive producer of the hbo show "veep. "welcome. >> good morning. it's someone who worked in the bush -- >> is one of your -- >> told me how terrible it is when you go on foreign visits and you get a gift completely wrong. >> president got grief for that first gift he gave the queen, the first time he met the queen of england. a set of dvds. everybody's going, you think you've got it wriright and the protocol stuff, the hard et job in any government. so what inspired you to say, okay, i want to do a show on

politics. and i'm going to use the veep as the character? >> well, two-part question. first, politics. i'm a bit of a political geek. as a comedian, you always write about what you know and interests you. i'm one of those kids -- >> we welcome, we love that. welcome to the club. >> i was one of those in the uk who stay up very late to watch the u.s. election results when i was 12. but also there's something -- to the outside world, america and american politics play such a -- has such a wide role, such impact that it's inevitable you're going to be drawn to that. i think there's also something funny about the way the constitution works. if there's bipartisanship, it functions. the moment people start to segregate into their own areas and ideologies, it breaks down. and that's the area i wanted to tap into. >> what's interesting, in the first season, i'm a viewer.

the first season, you didn't -- i didn't get the sense you were trying to write about the current day issues of american politics. in this season, a dramatic change. >> well, yes. i mean, stuff is happening in this season, then happening the following week in real life. the season is overshadowed by a spy scandal and who knew what and what senate -- >> i know, the spy scandal. like, there you go. >> right. i think the first season we wanted to get to know her and also the role of vice president. she describes as a very strange -- there are only two constitutional functions you have as vice president. one is you take over if the president's incapacitated. the second one is, president of the senate. anything else you have is entirely dependent on how well you get on with the president. that can vary from day to day. >> let's talk about your choice of having a female vice president. i can tell you in my household

there is cringing. is she the best portrayal of a future woman vice president? worried they're playing into too many stereotypes, too erratic, too this or too many air headed. >> if it was a male character, i wonder how many people would say that. it's interesting, we decide when we wrote the pilot script to make it a female vice president simply because we didn't want people to think, oh, is this all about joe biden or al gore. so we thought, let's make her female. once we made that decision, we decided not to make the show about being a woman in politics. it's actually irrelevant what gender she is. >> do you think as though this show gets more popular and we get closer to some other woman running for president that the comparisons are going to pop up? >> probably. you can't win. >> you cannot win there other than making it funny which you

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support the bill will get in the end. let's bring in our panel. welcome to all of you. i feel like it's inevitable it will pass the senate. it's a numbers game. 82 is a big number. >> big number, but again, it doesn't mean anything for that final vote. doesn't mean anything for the house. boehner says it will pass by the end of the year. hasn't said whether he'll force it through in terms of having a majority of republicans. but i still think we haven't seen the sort of solid opposition yet. i think they have gone in fits and starts and wield se'll see f that. heritage foundation released the ad campaign.

>> and i think the opposition hasn't actually been gelled as it did five years ago. you were still running five years ago and it was a hot button issue on the trail. >> and i think because there has been such an obsession on the scandals of washington, that they have kind of missed the ball over here. this is a major piece of lechblg lags going through. you're right, heritage pass put money behind it. but we're right there at the 10 yard line. this is going to happen. >> so an incredible political strategy by advocates to have all of the distractions. what the try lateral commission does when they get together h - hfr- -- are you sensing hfr-do you think a vote for immigration reform will cost any republican incumbent office holder their nomination for 2014?

>> it depends on what's in the final package. and he we have a lot that has to happen that will tell us what that will be.e we have a lot th happen that will tell us what that will be. we have a lot tha happen that will tell us what that will be.we have a lot that happen that will tell us what that will be. there is the position between schumer who believes you need to get to a 70 vote margin and that requires concessions towards republicans and border security versus the durbin position which is let's roll the republicans and -- >> is there something in between corbin and durbin on border security? >> i don't know of any. to go back to your earlier question urks i don't think it will cost anyone an election in 2014, but it could it cost marco rubio the republican nomination for president in 2016. >> i think there is one swing vote that is the most fascinating of them all and that's rand paul. he's dancing around this. sometimes you think he's about to support it other times he backs off. >> and i think who knows what

he's going to do. like you said, he's been all over the place. unclear who will ultimately get the credit for this. is it rubio, republicans, democrats. is it somebody like tim kaine who comes out and makes a speech on the floor in spanish in this really tv worthy moment. >> i had somebody very close to me e-mail me and go, wow -- because i've been saying tim kaine is a dark horse candidate for president. and they said, oh, my god, maybe you're right. maybe he is running for president. >> what did hhe did yesterday w historic. but also here is a guy that gave public service in honduras and was a very effective governor. >> rand paul, so this weird

2016, on one hand he could steal marco rubio's thunder, save immigration reform, or is he the chief proponent, the guy that made too many concessions, i'm the real conservative here. >> he'll have lots of company with people who will be against it, so it may be smarter to get closer to rubio. a lot of republicans looked at what romney did and felt that he really squandered an opportunity with hispanics and went far right on immigration and that he didn't need to to get the nomination. and there are a lot of people rubio getting at love attention, setting himself up to look like a leader. and you can see rand paul sgi to be another player in the debate. >> we'll get you your shameless plugs. >> still waiting to see what other people do. you have closer people to the

ground. dedicated super pac on the ground there. >> haven't ruled it out. >> not yet. >> he doesn't sound -- >> he's a strong republican. >> shameless plug. >> i think virginia 2013 will be ground zero on the gun votes and that you'll see 92% of virginians believe in background checks. kuch nelly was a leader to have guns in campuses and bars. >> we're launching this where we have -- >> kidding. all right. >> you can learn about it today. post tv.com. >> mine is closer to home. my date graduated from high school and studying poly sci as a georgia bulldog.

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good morning. no sign of edward snowden, the guy who admitted to leak top secret documents. but today in briefing, lawmakers will find out more about two controversial nsa programs that look at americans' phone records and internet use. >> i think that what really came out of it is that we need as congress to move forward because this incident that has occurred and debate the issue. and really it's a debate between the public safety, how far we go with public safety, and protecting us from terrorist attacks versus how far we go on the other side. >> meanwhile senator widen wants to start debate by getting more programs declassified and he wants straight answers from the director of national intelligence james clapper. >>