it's no nsa secret. the gop is split on immigration, handcuffed on guns action and on women's rights, well, they've done it again. the precipice of scandal overload. >> substitution, smoke screen. >> we need the president to show the courage and the leadership. >> the majority of americans are okay with listening in on our phone calls. >> it's a very different balances act. >> it's dozens of terrorist events that these have helped prevent. >> i'm a little surprised the white house hasn't made clear just how important these programs are. >> if the gop is this stupid, they deserve to die. >> immigration reform, that's a very difficult issue. >> we'll never win another national election, thank you, marco rubio. >> if the idi hadiots out thered just shut up. >> if it's a legitimate rate -- >> before i pass away, i would like a republican in the white house again.

>> why are republican men still talking about rape? >> because they're ignorant, because they're politically stupid. ♪ good afternoon. and it is a busy one at that. indeed we are watching breaking news out of st. louis where nbc confirms a shooting situation in the last hour. the details of which are still developing. we'll obviously keep you updated. in washington, a rare tornado warning for the nation's capital. severe weather that comes amid a figurative political storm. with new life in the gun control front, newtown family members today read a list of the nails of those individuals who have lost their lives to gun violence since that horrific mass aconsider at sandy hook elementary school last december. the number stands at 4,800. we will focus on the urgent issue of gun safety in just a moment.

also at the capital, the senate is debating its version of the immigration reform package with republican senators crossing swords and many asking if any legislation can actually pass a gop-controlled house of representatives. the question we'll also discuss. and sadly we'll also address the latest incarnation of the gop war on women. as yet another republican decides to rehears some ludicrous and reprehensible theories on rape and pregnancy. but we begin with another dramatic day in the conflict off the nsa's extensive surveillance programs, all brought out into the open by the efforts of one edward senat snowden. today it started as much as you would expect, with both leaders of the house flanked by party leaders on the intelligence committee defending the nsa programs. but then enter stage right, gop

jester rand paul, who announced a lawsuit against the nsa. we should have a debate. the president says he wants a debate. it starts today. >> that spectacle might have stolen the headlines today, were it not for a remarkably bold claim that emerged at a congressional hearing with fbi director robert mueller iii. we've heard plenty of officials strongly defending the government surveillance programs, but it was only mr. mueller who invoked 9/11 and indicated what might have half to the hijackers if this program were in place on that fateful day. >> the simple fact of their detention could have derailed the case. in any case the opportunity was not there. if we had had this program, that opportunity would have been there.

joy reed comes to us lives from florida. steve cokornacki is host of the weekend program. i guess it's case closed, isn't it? >> now, the nsa did get intercepts before the 9/11 terror attacks. there was the famous story about the match is on, or is the match begins tomorrow. those were discovered only after the attacks and people walked back and realized they might have been related to the attack. it's impossible to prove, but what is clear is that the intelligence and data that was out there was not fully taken advantage of by the bush administration. it's one of the many things we didn't go back and look at what went wrong.

>> steve, is rand paul the only hope for the angry people at the nsa? >> is he the only hope? that's fascinating, too, to watch rand paul. >> right. they're sort of -- -- just think about the difference when he father was on the stage with other candidates, how marginalized he was. and you look now how this story has been democrat -- he's not speaking on behalf of all reps. he's a lot more mainstream in terms of his views on civil liberties right now. a lot more mainstream in that party than he and his father were. i think this is potential a turning point here. >> okay. this day was big for another reason. until now. both parties have marched in ha pretty tight single-file line. that is, joy, until speaker john boehner had his say. listen to this.

>> frankly, i'm a little surprised. that the white house hasn't stood up and made clear on an ongoing basis just how important these programs are. >> is this a stray comment, or does he actually see political opportunity to bash the president, attack the white house? >> you know, i never really understand john boehner. i think mostly he wants to go home and go to bed. he seems so worn out. that aside, i think steve did hit on something, which is kind of the end of neoconservatism, whether it's democrats who supported the invasion of iraq, you're even seeing within the republican party a real move back to sort of the real politics version that when rand paul's father, ron paul, even though he would say them a

little more extreme, when he would say the same things about not intervening in the middle east, that he would get laughed off the stage. actually rand paul is gaining traction among a lot of war-weary republicans, sounding a lot more like democrats during the bush years. >> do you think boehner was trying to score some points there? >> one of the reasons why what rand paul is saying right now is more mainstream issing this playing out with the democrats. lindsey graham, the republican senator from -- >> it hasn't nothing to do with principle? that's what you're saying, steve. >> a line a couple months ago summed it up perfectly. paraphrasing -- you can never go wrong attacking the president in today's republican party. john boehner has called edward snowden a traitor, i think john boehner embodies the prevail is it conservative view the last

decade, but it's also a republican party that wastes no opportunity to attack president obama, so he's looking for a way. that's what i hear when i hear that. >> i totally agree steve. >> we could do an entire block on his vision of the world. he discussed today the convicted philadelphia doctor as a reason we need the house's latest draconian anti-abortion bill. can i ask you, joy, why do republicans think using the name of a man convicted on three counts of first-degree murder, justify laws which limit women's civil rights? >> yeah, it's really a hail mary pass to take the most egregious case. this was a horrific case. i think the conservatives were unsuccessful, but john boehner, as always, is trying to find a way to get right with the farthest right part of his

party. he is really not at home in that side of the party, but he tries to find was rhetorically to be with them. if they're going to pass 56 repeals, that's his favor issue john boehner is always a speaker in search of people to lead. unfortunately he rarely finds them. what do you think of that vote that was table? >> it's interesting, when you look at the question of abortion you know, if there's one there's one -- i think it's abortion. i think abortion is the one where there's let room -- i can't imagine a scenario where anybody vaguely pro-choice i

think the real issue is abortion, so i think what joy is saying is right. i think there's a big unmet promise, when the base was promise action on abortion. >> exact ly. >> they're pushing for it now. joy reed, live for us from florida where she's covering the

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the loss of so many innocent lives. senate majority leader harry reid said we can never take those names out of our hearts and minds, but the ongoing debate over gun safety includes not only the 26 lives that were taken at that school, but the 4,800 who have also died as a result of gun violence since that day in december. carly, can i thank you -- and can i extent our condolences on behalf on this broadcast? >> thank you very much. >> what can you tell you about this morning's event? >> um, yes, i did get to meet

with the president after the press conference. my family and the russos met with him and vice president biden. it was just very nice to hear them tell us that, as much as we're not going to stop fighting for our loved ones and the rest of the 5,000 people that have been murdered news newtown with guns, that they are not giving up physicals. it's nice knowing there are people still fighting. >> were you reassured? >> i was. it made me feel like it's going to be an ongoing battle, maybe not even a your, but in due time, something will come upon it and something will change. >> now, some of the victims' families also met this week with speaker of the house john boehner, and some of those who don't support gun control legislation, has anyone

explained to you why congress cannot pass a law requiring background checks, when 90% -- 90% of the american people want them? >> it's such a touchy subject. i don't understand why our congress is sitting back doing nothing. it's very frustrating. like i said, in due time, something will change. >> what would i like to say to congress in the light of their refusal to take a little on this critically important issue? >> that if their loved one was in sandy hook elementary school, or if their loved one was walking the street and murdered with a gun, that they would feel differently. they would be in our shoes action and they would want

change. they would want someone to stand up for them. unless you've been through what we've been through, you don't understand, and it's easy for people like me and the rust of the 26 families to say we want change, this is what needs to happen, but to congress, they don't understand, a lot of them, and i hope they never have to understand this pain we have to go through. >> the nra, as continues their effort to vilify politicians who support gun control legislation. here's an ad that was just released today that targets west virginia democrat senator joe manchin. he was the co-sponsor of the gun control bill that failed to make it out of the senate. have a listen to this. >> as your senator, i'll protect our second amendment rights. that was joe manchin's commitment, but now manchin is working with president obama and

new york maybe yor michael bloomberg. concerned? you should be. tell senator manchin to honor his commitment to the second 5e78d. >> carlee, do you think we are sees the desperation, the last efforts of an organization that doesn't any longer have the kind of power to many donate the discourse on this issue? >> i believe, you know, before december 14th, going up against the nra was nearly impossible. i think they are becoming scared and worried. we have numbers now, and we're not going away. i think we have made that very clear, that we are not going away until change is made. >> thank you so much for your courage and continues to fight for proper gun safety legislation. >> thank you very much. coming up, reports of a tornado on the ground not far from the nation's capital. we'll get straight to it in a moment. ♪

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of washington, d.c. as well. that storm has reported rotation. but there was a confirmed tornado on the ground in columbia, just to the northeast of washington, d.c., but we have to be mindful, as they move into the baltimore washington international airport area, because that tornado warning includes that area as well. we've had reports of 70-mile-per-hour straight-line wind gusts with these storms. they're not going to last long, but they do pack a bunch as they move through. now is the time to just get indoors until the storms pass. get into an interior room, that's the safest place to be. but they should pass pretty quickly. martin? helpful advise there. thank you so much. do stay with us. the rights take center stain in today's top lines. 6. leahy from vermont, he wants

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here are today as top lines. >> chances are the relate tiffs pursue the american dream. just a hunch. >> we must modernize the system. >> this is a total fraud. it's been 20 years. they -- >> i know you like to use that word "liberal" as if it were a crime. >> you are like a liberal. >> i'm teasing. >> it's a straw man argument. nobody cares. >> no, hang on. >> if we let more people in legally, it's easier to find the terrorists who want to kill us. >> these jack kevorkians of the

party -- >> i respect your views very much. >> this is something that's in absolute keeping of our principles in our party and country. that's why people like me are supporting immigration reform. >> reforming or system is an important project of this government. >> if the house passes anything concerning immigration, this is very important hannity viewers, so pay attention. it will come out an amnesty bill. >> if this fails and we do nods that's de facto amnesty. >> we're walking ourselves through a process that i think will certainly yield a product that we expect to bring to the floor. if they're going to take 11 million people and make them citizens, they're just creating more -- >> hispanics are natural democrats -- >> we are like every group. >> that's not true. >> it does look like congress is perhaps on the verge of doing

something. the big question is, is it something that's in the greatest good? >> the only left for people like you and me to do, sean, is to punish the people who destroyed america. >> immigration reform is a difficult issue. you're not kidding. let's get to our panel. a professor at the university of pennsylvania, and i'm glad she's here. republican strat jill ron christie, as well as in washington msnbc contributor the great jimmy williams, so system alimisha, a wide range of opinions if you can't get something out of the senate, it will never pass the house, will it? >> no. recent history has shown ugh that. in ann coulter's remarks about -- her death wish for the gop party if they support this bill, i'm just thinking that

with the last two election, the grand old party is assumed to be the grand outdated party, so the republicans need to support these measures as democrats continually pushing them not to continue the mill tarization of the border. >> ron, the heritage foundation send a letter that said the following -- it would be imprudent to do anything that shifts the focus from the obama administration to the ideological differences between the house republican conference. to that end, we urge you to avoid bringing any legislation to the house floor that had highlight any major schisms. well, they're not listening, because this immigration fight is exposing republican schisms. >> no question about it. if you look at what happened in the senate today, you had an amendment by senator grassley, that said before of a path to legalization, we should make sure we have the border secured first. that went down.

you have the gang of aid, if you will, reporting against it. i think this has revealed a very deep schism. if you can't get grassley's amendment out of the senate, i don't see how it passes the house. >> jimmy, america's racial and ethnic minorities make up about half of the under-five age group. you know mitt romney didn't do too well. has it surprised you, jimmy, in light of november, that republicans are still reluctant to resolve this issue of immigration? >> maybe you could have my friend ron christie that, but i shall try to -- >> you used to be a republican. >> i used to be. >> and you're connected to many people in the republican party. >> absolutely. >> it befuddles us when we see what happened in 2012, why is there still such a problem getting to grips on this? >> i left the republican party, because i felt like an outsider

as a gale man. imagine if you are a latino in this country today, and you see what's happening? >> i doubt very seriously middle latinos are actually paying attention to what's happening on the house floor, but those who are, they're thinking my god, they don't want me. if you're a woman. if you are, i don't know, let's say a black american and think back about what happened on november 7 with the crazy voting restrictions. the rep party nods the problems with itself. the question becomes, and ron can address this, will they step up to the plate? here's a great example of that, immigration reform, and actually do something to fix the problem. again, i don't know the analyze to that. >> you go back to 1986, ronald reagan when he won his first election got 37% of the vote. he got 30% in 1988, so the notion that republicans going

forward with a -- is not always necessarily true. what we do need, though, is rather than saying these what we're going, we need to say what we are for. there are too many schisms of very conservative elements on one side, very strong pro-business folks that say we need a bill. >> republicans like senator john cornyn, he wants to prevent undocumented immigrants from getting green cards, and he's produced, what is it 134-page plan that i've been trying to read. as many democrats say, that's intentionally impossible to achieve. that mr. cornyn's intention is to produce such a level of security standard that nobody could ever achieve it. >> i think they're cause it poisoning the bill, the poison pill for the bill. i think what's problematic for

the amendment is at the deter citizenship, which is part of the biggest part of the bill that most of us you are championing. with rubio supporting that as well, right? so there's a way in which the current big is being paused. he's trying to gain credibility for this amendment, i think it shows the schism you're talking about, but also how impossible it is for republicans to see, get together under this amazing moment and appeal to all americans and to understand that the change in demographics mean there's a new america that's happening. >> jimmy, salimisha mentions the role of marco rubio. how do you think marco rubio has been doing? >> he 'playing this down both sides of both middles. i've never seen a politician do this before, but i think -- he's continuing to work with the gang of eight, they know that, he knows that, yet he goes on fox three times a day and blasts the

living held of the gang of eight and said he supports the cornyn amendment, which john mccain is calling the poison pill. >> yes. yes. >> to play it down the line, 24th are politicians, we don't expect much of them. we do expect them to do their jobs. it seems like he's tries to do both jobs, run for president, keep the conservative caucus in line, which i'm not sure how you do that, and get a bill off the floor. i hate to break the news, doing all three is virtually impossible. >> i think he's right. and i'm a big fan of marco rubio. >> you've said before. but he's not playing this right, is he? >> i don't know. i'm one of those conservatives that says why are we focusing all our time and energies on immigration reform, which a, we should secure the border. b we should focus on strengthening the economy, and c, we know the brothers from boston, the folks who came on 9/11, let's make sure we can keep hood of those folks who are

coming in illegally and overstaying their welcome. >> ron christie, salimisha and jimy williams, thank you very much. i have a quick update where police confirm four people are dead, the result of a murder/suicide. investigators continue to piece together what happened, and obviously we'll bring you any new developments. coming up, another republican said what about rape? when will they learn? >> when women participate in the economy, everyone benefits. this also should be a no-brainer. when women participate in peacemaking and peacekeeping, we are all safer and more security. and when women participate in politics, the effects ripple out across society. hey.

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. when you make that exception, there's usually a requirement to report the rape within 48 hours. i sometimes really do wonder if anyone in the gop actually bothered to read its autopsy report following last november's election, the one that says the party is regarded as scary, narrow-midded, because not only do you have congressman franks repeating the absurd falsehood, and falsehood it is, that rape doesn't typically result in pregnancy, is also the simple fact that there's not a single woman among the 23 men that.ed his bill that outlaws all abortion after 20 weeks.

>> after the kermit, i think the legislation is appropriate, and i hope those who have voted good afternoon, ma'am. >> good afternoon, martin. >> how much more difficult does the atmosphere in the house -- how much more difficult is it when these old white men legislating women's reproductive rights, how much more different does it make the job of -- and other serious issues that need to be addressed now? >> i do think that it's pretty

outrageous, in some ways reflective of a party that isn't as diverse as that on the other side of the aisle. i do think in the house armed committee, that women have been in the forefront of bringing the issue of sexual assault into focus. i'm fortunate to work with a congressman from ohio, congressman turner. we've had great success. but if you look beyond that, you do see many, many women engaged and thankfully so. >> and thank you for your service in relation to this important issue nancy pelosi was asked about the bill today, and reporter with "the conservative weekly standard" also tried to inject dr. kermit goss nell into

the case. >> my oldist child was 6 years old the day i brought my fifth child home from the hospital, as a practicing and respectful catholic, which is sacred ground when we talk about this. i don't think it should have anything to do with politics, and that's where you're taking it, and i'm not going there. >> you heard her make this very personal. why do these and other stories make it through the ears of your colleagues? >> why does it -- i'm not sure i units the question. >> why are so many of the colleagues in the house able to listen to this kind of painful, personal expression in relation to these issues and simply ignore what's being said? >> well, the reality is i think those of you in congress who care deeply about this issue don't ignore what's said. as i said, i think the comments

were outrageous, a panel of primarily men voting on legislation that is around decisions that should be left to a woman, her family and her doctor, and should not be intruding into the very personal decisions. >> many of our viewers who write it, would be be to know why it's easy to get the house gop to pass a big banning abortion, but less activity when it comes to sexual assault. >> the issue of sexual assault i think has been under the radar screen for a number of years. as i first came to congress, i was elected in 2007, i sought out a seat on the armed services committee. soon after i was in a hearing where the services came forward to talk about the prevention programs. it suggested a very pervasive problem. soon after i met with wounded

warriors, among them several women's. i asked is it as serious an issue as the hearings suggests. she said ma'am, i'm aprayed of my own soldiers than i am the enemy. she traveled around a base with a knife inserted into her waistline so she could defend herself. it suggested a very pervasive and profound problem. i, along with other members of the house have been working on this ever since. we put in play, in the ndaa, the national defense authorization bill that we are hearing today, there are some significant changes that will make a real difference. a commander's authority to overturn a jury verdict will be changed. no longer will they have that power in a sexual assault case or any other case. if you're convicted, you will be dishonorably discharged, no ifs ands or buts about it. one of the real shortcomings

that has prevented many survivors is the system is rather dense. they don't understand it, they're obvious put at risk. we now have a provision that creates access to legal counsel for survivors. not the prosecutor whose job it is to prosecute the case, but a lawyer who is there to advise and assist and counsel the survivor and encourage them to positive forward. the real god is weld more prosecutions, more of those who survived to come forward and prosecute their assailants. >> congresswoman, thank you for yourselves on this important matter. >> thank you, martin. coming up, a split other syria. is former president clinton siding with john mccain and not the white house? we have new details just ahead. [ mrs. hutchison ] friday night has always been all fun and games

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president is expected to deliver remarks. at the same time the administration is about to hold a conference call on the crisis in syria. nbc white house correspondent kristin welker joins us from inside the white house briefing room. what are you sxekding to hear on syria? >> reporter: i can tell you it will be held by ben rhodes i can tell you it is rare we would get a conference call. it's likely -- i can also tell you that "new york times" is reporting that, according to u.s. and european officials and i want to be very clear nbc news has not confirmed that report. that is a "new york times" record, but martin, what we have seen is the pressure mounting on

this administration to take more action in syria. today the u.n. reporting that as many as 93,000 people had been killed inside the country due to the war that rages on there, and of course the obama administration saying they had early indications that chemical weapons may have been used, the president saying he wanted corroboration about that before taking any further action, but as we know, the president said about a year ago that the use of chemical weapons would be a red line for him. what specifically does that mean this we don't know, about you we do know that a number of possibilities are on the table, including arming the rebels. that gets potentially tricky, because it's not clear who all of the rebels are. it's believed that some of them have ties to al qaeda. another option is ceding a no-fly zone. >> kristin, thank you for the reporting. >> thank you. we'll be right back.

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yes. yes i did. what's in your wallet? we couldn't allow this week to pass without marking the 50th anniversary of two remarkable speeches delivered on consecutive days by one man, president john f. kennedy. on june 10th, 1963, president kennedy delivered an impassioned plea for peace on the campus of the american university in washington, d.c. when the world's super powers came close to a nuke lat cataclysm, the president laid out a pathway to guide the world from complete disaster. though he acknowledged that man had a unique capacity to do wrong, he made a direct appeal to our ability to do right. first, he said -- let us examine

our attitude towards peace itself. too many of us think it's impossible. too many of us think it's unreal, but that's a dangerous, defeatist belief. it leads to the conclusion that war is inevitable, that mankind is duped, that we are gripped by forces that we cannot control. we need not september that view. our problems are manmade. therefore they can be solved. professor jeffrey sacks of columbia university has written an entire book about that speech, entitled "to move the world." he maintains that this was the most important speech delivered by any modern president, but just a day later, on june 11th, 1963, president kennedy would deliver a second speech, this one no less powerful. he was responding to an attempt by two african-american students to enroll at the university of alabama. the go everyonor, george wallace, had attempted to block the students from registering at

the college. in response, president kennedy federalized the alabama national guard and the governor was ordered to move. the administration felt that since the matter passed without too much trouble, it might be best to allow things to settle, but president kennedy would have none of it. in fact, he personally called executives at the major television networks, requesting airtime, so that he could address the nation. >> if an american, because his skin is dark, cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the pitch. if he cannot send his children to the best public school available, if he cannot vote for the public officials to represent him. if, in short, he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, then who among us would be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? >> president kennedy's leadership on this led to the

most important civil rights legislation in the history of this nation. of course, 50 years later, none of these issues have been entirely resolved. we worry about nations like pakistan and iran possessing nuclear weapons, and racial profiling and discrimination continues to blight communities around the country, but in the midst of all these challenges, it's worth heeding the wort of president kennedy as he concluded that speech. so let es in and out be blind to our differences, but let us also direct or attention to our common interests, and the means by which those differences can be resolved. a if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. for in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our

children's futures, and we are all mortal. words of wisdom, as relevant then as they are today. thanks so much for watching our broadcast this afternoon. crist matthews and "hardball" is next.. 8 can anything stop hillary? do you think she'll be the next president? two, she must survive the caucuses and primaries without suffering undue damage to the clinton brand. bill will have to do hi part in that. three, she's have to weather the all-out assault of the party and the wing that will be o