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how deeply will this drag the u.s. into another foreign conflict. this morning, britain saying it is not ready to arm rebels, russia still is not convinced bashar al-assad used chemical weapons. all of it coming days before the g 8 summit where president obama will meet with leaders from the u.k., germany, japan, france, canada. last night, ben rhodes telling reporters on a conference call the assad regime crossed the line by using chemical weapons and that changed the president's calculus. former president bill clinton praised the obama administration on "morning joe." >> the white house made it clear they intend to do more, they're exploring their options, and right now don't want to talk about the details and i don't blame them because the less they talk about the details, more likely increased assistance is likely to be effective, and as i said, they want to see what our other allies are willing to do.
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i think on balance this should be seen as a positive story. >> just as the decision was announced, senator john mccain's reaction was mixed. >> so i applaud the president's decision and i appreciate it. but the president of the united states better understand that just supplying weapons is not going to change the equation on the ground and the balance of power. these people of the free syrian army need weapons and heavy weapons to counter tanks and aircraft, need a no fly zone. >> want to bring in ann gear en, rachel smoke en, amy, i start with you. nine states giving nonlethal aid for quite some time. you heard senator mccain debating what kind of assistance should go forward, light weapons, heavy weapons, and what needs to be given to tip the
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scale now. it seems to be moving towards the assad regime. >> one thing the assad regime used and has far superior power is air power. whatever they want to give to the rebels, this is the point john mccain was saying, has to tip the balance on the ground, can't be night vision goggles, armored cars, light weapons, he needs to tip the balance. the syrian military is a professional military with supplies from russia and other countries. they use weapons they can get their hands on after taking over weapons depots from the regime. the balance would have to come down to something significant, heavy duty, to tip that balance, particularly in the air fight in their favor. some called for no fly zone because they realize they won't be able to control the skies, but if they get nato, u.s., arab league intervention to control the skies, it may make it different on the ground. >> more than what has been described by ben rhodes so far.
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u.n. report shows 93,000 died in syria, including 1700 children. here is congressman eliot engel. >> i think from a humanitarian point, no other point even that there's a pressing need for nato and for the west to intervene, at least give the rebels the weapons they can used to defend themselves. >> as you heard, britain is not convinced yet. does the president need other nato allies to bring along key countries like russia? right now, a key assad supporter. >> well, we've got sort of a reversal here. the brits and french had been out ahead of the united states in suggesting that it was time to arm the rebels, but it's now the obama administration that's going first. the real issue is how far will they go and will anyone follow them. a nato no fly zone like in libya
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two years ago remains unlikely. ben roads didn't quite rule it out, talking to reporters last night, he didn't sound enthusiastic. >> will they follow after the g-8 meeting, for instance? >> yes, britain and france are likely to do a good bit more than they had been doing, now that the eu embargo is lifted. that will be in concert with the united states. but so far it does look like it is on the lighter side of weaponry, which is not all that the rebels are asking for by far. >> rachel, to one of the points, what's talked about is possibility of a no fly zone. "the wall street journal" says the cost is $50 million a day. when you look at the numbers, there's little appetite to get involved on the hill. what's the political calculus to make this work in the united states if that were to happen? >> the public is war weary,
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that's a major part of the political calculus. my colleague reported that president obama agonized over this decision. he wants to do the right thing from a moral standpoint, but his frame of course is iraq and afghanistan. he has worked very hard to pull america out of its foreign commitments, foreign wars we have been involved in, and the public has no desire to step that up. we're really not seeing at least so far the public outrage over syria. we could see that with ben rhodes' call with reporters, talking about stepping up increased military intervention, but not giving details of what's happening. >> the president comes forward with this message that the increase -- >> it certainly could be if he puts the weight of the oval office behind this. we will be watching carefully to see how much muscle the president does decide to put
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behind this effort. >> you reported in the region so long, will this work at the end of the day as steps are moving forward, will we have a syria built on principles of sek taern groups or democratic principles? >> that's nearly impossible to answer. no one knows how that unfolds. what you have in syria is a situation that's a proxy war. if the united states gives weapons to the rebels, you'll have russia, iran, hezbollah supporting assad, and you will have a powder kick for a regional war. it is difficult to predict the outcome. even if the opposition wins, you don't know who from the opposition, the extreme elements or members more aligned to the united states and its interest, who will ultimately be able to govern and rule syria. one of the things you lost in the last two years, not just the tremendous amount of lives but institutions of the state that could possibly be used in
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reconstruction efforts down the line. >> in the arc of support for the region of other countries like saudi arabia, that's one example, has been waning recently. will this turn it around? >> the saudis and qataris and others will continue to army and support the other side. it is not clear what the coordination will be with additional support being provided from the united states. interestingly enough, the saudis soured on the u.s. participation up until now, concluding that the united states wasn't in, all in in favor of the rebels, not willing to do what it takes. it is not clear whether anyone is willing to give them the kind of heavy weaponry or air cover they're asking for and that john
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mccain and others say would make a difference in ending the war. >> thank you all three for your time and perspective. appreciate it. >> thank you. bring in congressman james clyburn. thanks for being here, congressman. the white house says there are four incidents of chemical weapons being used going as far back as march 19th, the question might be why now, senator lindsey graham, john mccain, saying we should have been involved earlier, isn't the president pushed to intervening now? >> thank you for having me, richard. no, i do not thinkesque pushed. he told us from day one there was a red line over which he would not tolerate being crossed. seems with intelligence that has been submitted to him, he has come to the conclusion on several occasions, that red line
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was in fact crossed over, maybe as far back as march 19th. you don't just wake up in the morning and decide a date. you have to look into these things. you have to let the intelligence people do their work. and when they come back with their results, you use that to make your decisions. i think the president is now making decisions as he promised he would do based on facts, not speculation. we know what kind of trouble we have gotten into before because people were dealing with speculations rather than facts. i think we will move to do the right thing in syria now, and i don't think he is being pushed, he is moving exactly as he said he would do months ago. >> the president, ben rhodes, saying this, that he is ruling out boots on the ground. are you worried this is a slippery slope where things can escalate?
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>> you always worry as you would whether or not this road gets slippery. i do believe it is not time to be talking about boots on the grou ground. we have to decide on whose side the boots will be marching. right now, i don't think there's a real good notion as to who, what people to rely. what we want to do is de-escalate and we do that by moving to wall off some things, even the no fly zone. >> congressman, what would you suggest to the president as to where the line should be drawn in terms of escalation? >> well, i think the president has all the information to make those decisions and i do not have that information. i am not privy to it. so i am not going to offer him any advice. what i will say is let history
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be the teacher here. let's not move without the benefit of taking into account what kind of trouble we get into when we don't look at the end game and make some decisions at the beginning as to what we want the ending to be. that's all the advice i would give the president. >> ben rhodes said the president, the white house, would be reaching to congress. if congress were to approach you, say we need support for $50 million, for instance, for a no fly zone, would you say yes to that. >> for a no fly zone, yes. i do believe that that is one of the things we ought to be looking at. i don't know what the dollar figure will be, but i think if it is a fact that assad is using chemical weapons there in syria, a no fly zone at a minimum ought to be employed. >> i want to switch to
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immigration while we have you here, congressman. debate started this week in the senate. we already missed several lines in the sand, shall we say, deadlines made by lawmakers. is it losing steam now, and because of that not having intensity it needs from the house to make it through? >> i do believe that senate action will determine whether or not we get the kind of encouragement, intensity if you please, that the house will develop. i think senator reid made it clear he will push this before the july break. i hope he does, and i hope they come out with a definitive decision. i hope seven, eight or more votes. then after the july break i would hope the house would move. i think that we need to create
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especially on something like immigration a real team effort here and i believe it ought to be bipartisan, this majority or the majority is not the way to do immigration reform, ought to be bipartisan, across the board, bring 12 million people out of the shadows, because they're there as we know, and because it is for the approval of some enablers who allowed this to get there because it benefits their bottom line. >> congressman, thank you so much. have a great weekend ahead. >> thank you very much for having me. thanks for having me. it is the worst fire in colorado history, the black forest fire has taken two lives, destroyed 360 homes. it is only 5% contained, and more than 13,000 homes in the path of the flames. national guard and firefighters are backing them up on the ground on the ground and from
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a new job title for former secretary of state hillary clinton who gave her first high profile speech since leaving office when former president clinton introduced his wife at the clinton global initiative conference yesterday. he announced she will be working full time now at the foundation. it is being renamed the bill, hillary, and chelsea clinton foundation. mrs. clinton said she'll focus efforts on opportunities for women. >> when women participate in the economy, everyone benefits. this also should be a no brainer. when women participate at peace making and peace keeping, we are all safer and more secure. and when women participate in politics, the effects ripple out across society. >> what does hillary's new role
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mean? stephanie, thank you for being here. >> great to be here, richard, thank you. >> what's your thought? what do you make of her new job and title? she's already able to do something she would not maybe have done before, that's give a message on domestic policy here. some saying it gives her a platform to bolster a 2016 run. >> well, the one thing we all know, the clinton family, all three of them, have done so much for the united states and people of the world. seeing secretary clinton speaking yesterday from the heart about the importance of women's involvement in all aspects of society and how economic empowerment improves families, nations. it is a great place for her to continue the work she has been doing around the world. >> in her speech the former secretary of state put a big emphasis promoting women in
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politics as well, echoing your organization's message. you focus not only on women but those becoming involved in the democratic party specifically. but there are also few prominent women on the republican side. why is that? >> well, it is interesting. emily's list, our organization, has worked for 28 years to ensure there's a pipeline of strong pro-choice democratic women in line to run for office from local level to the presidency. what i think we're seeing on the republican side is such a shift to the right, particularly on conservative issues, based on a set of philosophies that are not priorities for women, that it is hard for moderate republican women where there used to be a lot of them to get through their primaries, so we are seeing fewer and fewer women leaders in the republican party. >> they just can't make it through the primaries and make it to the general election is what you're saying? >> that's exactly right. >> part of the conversation,
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arizona congressman trent franks pushing a bill to restrict abortion rights drew a fire storm for saying incidences of pregnancy from rape is very low, last night he said he had been through the spin dryer over the comments he made. would you like to see more gop women rise to power to be some of the discussions on the hill where in many cases you'll see only men, 23 men, for instance, during that particular hearing and no women. >> that's exactly right. >> to discuss women's issues. >> well, and that is such a good point. i'll tell you right now congress in its entirety is only 19% women. many more democrats than republicans. we need more women across the country to step up and run for office. we work on that every single day and we know, we know as secretary clinton said yesterday, when women are involved in the process, better policies are made. we're seeing it in the united
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states senate every day, particularly with the leadership of the strong democratic women on the senate armed services committee and everything we're dealing with the sexual assaults in the military. that would not be happening without the leadership of those women. and there are just not enough in there. we've got to keep working to get more women involved. the fact we saw an entire house committee hearing of republican men leading the way on a health care decision about women is outrageous. it is 2013. it is time for women to step up, run, and we've got them coming, we have to support them and need to see more faces in both parties, but particularly in the republican party. >> 2014, 2016, see how it works out. stephanie, thank you so much. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. two big interviews coming up on now with alex wagner. catch president clinton and chelsea clinton at noon eastern. six jurors and four alternates who will decide the
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to politics now. we are reminded being president means you never just pack a tooth brush when you travel. when president obama heads to africa later this month, the administration checklist is a long one. he needs 56 support vehicles, 14 limousines, 3 trucks with bulletproof glass, fighter jets in the sky. the cost of the trip between 60 and $100 million, based on the cost of past presidential trips to africa. todd akin's comments on rape led to a new word.
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of the tim tebow fan club. >> really, tim tebow? congresswoman michele bachmann had the crowd going a second or two at the faith and freedom coalition in the nation's capitol. it featured a who's who of potential 2016 candidates. there's one noticeable absence at the conservative con fab. chris christie passing on an invitation to speak, instead will join former president bill clinton at the global initiative to talk about the economy this afternoon. joining me now, msnbc contributor, and former chief of staff chris dell feen as. susan, i will start with this. is it a mistake for him to be sticking this key conference with religious conservatives? just looking back at the numbers from 2012, this group going for romney 78 to 21% over obama, can he do this?
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and what's the strategy? >> he absolutely could, can, and it was a good move by him because let's not forget, you can't win the next election before you win the current election. he is not running for 2016 yet. >> does he need it in new jersey? >> i think what he is trying to do is define himself to the american public, which is i am a problem solver. clinton global initiative is having conference about solving the nation's top problems in this country. why wouldn't chris christie be there as a top leader and problem solver. i think it is a wise move. people are really frustrated. you look at the 10% approval rate are for congress. if you want to be in congress and not get anything done or be chris christie and get things done. >> does skipping the faith and freedom conference hurt him during the primary time when he
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has the caucuses as well and doesn't have the support of evangelicals, perhaps because he's skipping this conference? >> i think it hurts him immensely. here is the reality in presidential elections as you find out quick. there's a primary you have to appeal to the base. in the republican party, it forces candidates to move far, far to the right. in chris christie's case, he is in new jersey, a blue state, he wants to try to portray a more moderate image and persona, which is fine, it is smart politics for new jersey, but complicates things immensely. for chris christie, let's be honest, to win the nomination, the republican party needs a political lobotomy. it is what happened with rick santorum running on the right, i don't know how that changes, every time you see a republican move to the center, whether chris christie, marco rubio on immigration, the right and base goes absolutely bananas.
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i think he has a big problem. >> you bring up a great point, chris. just to add to that, if republicans want to win, however, they're going to have to pick someone a little more moderate for their nominee because otherwise we keep going to the right, we're not going to get anywhere. >> the problem isn't -- you're right about the calculation, but the problem isn't you pick someone that can win. arguably mitt romney was the most electable, it is the primary forces you to take extreme positions like you saw with romney on immigration and other issues that he becomes unpalpable for the american public when he wins the nomination. that's the problem the republicans have. >> all right. last quick comment? >> i want to go back, republicans have to decide if they want to win or only want to go to the extreme to win a primary. we need to become more center when it comes to especially economic issues. >> sounds where chris christie wants to go.
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you guys have a great weekend. >> you too. very scary moments for fans of miami heat watching their team play in the nba finals at an area sports bar. an outdoor deck at checkers bar and grill partially collapsed, sending dozens into the water. mark potter is live in florida. do investigators know what happened? >> reporter: hi, richard, this is the deck you're talking about, you can see it in the water. it occurred 9:45 last night. in answer to your question, they don't know exactly what happened here. they may have some thoughts but the point i want to make is that the investigation is fully under way. just moments ago, we just missed it timewise, there was a boat here, miami-dade police boat with structural engineer, inspector, chief of police from north bay village, the community here. they were taking pictures all along the way of the struts, the columns, the support beams, trying to figure out what happened when this deck collapsed. what we do know from anecdotal
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accounts, last night around 9:45 a big crowd was here cheering on the miami heat in the nba finals. people got up, were cheering, and all of a sudden there was a noise and the deck went into the water, scores of people went in with it. we have some eyewitness accounts from last night if you want to roll those. >> you just hear crunch, crunch, bam, pillar coming down, pillar, pillar, people screaming, yelling, pieces of wood hitting the water. >> i went into the water. we pushed people up. my son was pulling people out of the water, even some first responders, got in there, realize footing, water is a bit slimy. >> reporter: as bad as it looks and was, in some ways they were quite lucky, no one was killed here. the numbers today are that 24 people were treated at a hospital, two listed as serious. none critical. no one killed in this accident. so in some ways, they're very
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lucky. now they're trying to figure out what happened, something with the structure, too many people, was it the environment here, this is sticking out in the sea. all of that is being worked on, that investigation is under way now. >> and the number of people allowed on the deck based on its design. nbc's mark potter, thank you very much. checking the news beat, the british government says don't come here to edward snowden, issued alerts to airlines around the world to not allow him on a plane to the u.k. he revealed top secret documents about nsa surveillance programs and is believed to be in hong kong. voting under way in iran for a successor to mahmoud ahamdinejad. they lashed out at the u.s. about the legitimate see of the election. police identified the person killed in the explosion in louisiana. zachary green. there are still 25 people in
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hospitals, this morning investigators are working to figure out what caused that explosion and fire. and look at this, what not to do parking a plane. a small jet going into the side of a hangar in california. workers were revving the engines for a test and it lurched forward into the building. a performance of the national anthem before the spurs game by 11-year-old sebastian de la cruz. he also sang wednesday hoping to give the team luck. people responded online with racially charged tweets instead, stemming from his mariachi background. he appeared on america's got talent says he doesn't pay attention to the haters. >> i knew that one day when i sing that people were going to judge me and that's why over the time that i've grown, i've learned that you don't really care what people say about you.
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it's what you think about yourself. >> older than his years. the spurs invited dela cruz back for the encore, his luck did not hold up. miami heat winning 109-93 there. it is getting cheaper to buy a used car nowadays. cnbc's jackie deang lows has more. used car prices see the biggest drop since october. good news. >> that's right, richard. if shopping for a used car in that market, there's good news out there. the market is loosening. the national automobile association says prices for cars and trucks up to eight years old declined more than 2% last month. it is interesting what pushed that drop. it is more people buying new cars, trading in old ones. the point about new car sales, it is one of the measures watched on wall street to gauge how the economy is doing. if you're buying a used car, you're getting a better deal also. father's day this weekend.
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>> that's right, as well. the good news here, moms did well on mother's day, not so much for the dads, they're drawing the short straw. turns out spending for mother's day was more than $20 billion. the forecast for dads, a little more than 13 billion according to national retail federation. also interesting to note, the average amount spent on each parent, for moms under $170, for dads under 120. still, that number up 2.3% year over year. i guess things are improving for dads, but it will take awhile to catch up. >> dads breaking 100. >> exactly. >> thank you. if flying somewhere to see dad this weekend, by the way, the transportation is out with the latest airline performance numbers. here they are. 74% of flights on time. hawaiian airlines the best, 93%, american eagle the worst with 67%. most likely delayed to newark
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for a body in motion. anchts victory for a couple of unlikely allies, president obama and jan brewer. last night, the arizona legislature signed off on expanding medicaid. a group of republican governors refuse to go along with the program. jan brewer embraced it to the chagrin of conservative colleagues. bring in dr. ez eek yell ee man yell from university of pennsylvania, author of the memoir about his family, brothers emanuel. good to see you, doctor. >> nice to be here with you. >> you advised the president on health care. did you ever think as you heard here that jan brewer would be someone supporting his policies? >> first of all, we never thought so many republican governors would not take the medicaid expansion because it is really important for their
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states. it infuses money, reduces the uninsured, eliminates cost shifting so you don't have to charge people who have insurance so much. we really frankly never thought people would say no to the kind of deal that's offered in the affordable care act, so that jan brewer has come on i think is just logic, it is a matter of economic interest that the state will get more money, uninsurance rate will go down, and the cross optimization for the insured goes down. she's doing the logical thing. the fact that there are people that are i did logically committed even against their own economic interest is a bit peculiar. >> the numbers in many if not all of the top ten republican states do favor them, if they do get on board with this. jan brewer, being the only one that's done it so far. want to get to this one, the latest nbc news "the wall street journal" poll. shows 49% of americans think the affordable care act is a bad
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idea. before the exchanges go online, must that go well to change public perception there as you saw in the poll numbers? >> we need to deconstruct the poll numbers, as presented they're not right. first of all, most of the polls over time have been consistent. people haven't really changed their view that much. the undecided going up more. second, buried in those that oppose the affordable care act are actually a good, big group of people that think it hasn't gone far enough, that we need to do more on reform. consistently in the polls, about a third of the american population sort of hesitant or against the reform, and more than 50% who think the reform is a good idea or think we should have gone further. >> are you saying you should go further to get the numbers better, is that what you're saying? >> no, that think that health care reform should have gone further and done more things. like people that support single payor. i think we need a campaign not so much to convince people that
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obama care is a good thing but to inform them about the exchanges and subsidies that they will get, affordable health care. we have seen in a number of states like california running the exchanges, moderating of premiums, reducing premiums in some situations. so i think it is going to be a state by state issue, but for many people the exchanges are going to offer a very good deal for them to get insurance when they couldn't have gotten it in the past because the small business didn't offer it or they were in there alone, had no options or very, very expensive options. >> october 1st that day. this morning, want to get to this. your brother was on a show with president clinton, joking around. the president was there to see the blackhawks. >> we are here because the president wanted some tickets and i got them for him. >> we mentioned the book.
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i know you guys were very competitive growing up. what about on the sports front itself? >> against each other? ari, youngest brother, was clearly the best sportsman, but we all participated in sports. i was a swimmer my freshman year in high school, ron did soccer his freshman year of high school. we were not standouts. ari on the other hand was a very, very good athlete. >> i guess you pick the hawks? >> you're asking the wrong guy! >> just say yes. take that as a yes, so you and your brother maintain your brotherhood there. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. reverend al sharpton will host politics nation from the free let clinic in new orleans july 3 ready. for the clinics to be a success, they need your help. if you're able to donate or volunteer, go to national association of free clinics website to make a contribution,
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south africa's president says nelson mandela is improving. children in his home village are leaving balloons and well wishes outside his home. kris jansing went to the apartheid museum to visit the most popular exhibit. >> reporter: this was originally a temporary exhibit honoring mandela put here in 2008. it is such a big draw, they made it permanent, including a moving section about the time spent in prison for anti-apartheid
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leadership. this is a log in his handwriting of the few family visits he got on robin island. it is shocking to see, for example, in 1965, just two visits totalling one hour. other prisoners talk about the fact that in 1968, 1969 were some of the worst times he had. during that time, his mother died of a heart attack, his oldest son died in a car accident, and amelia is here with us from the museum. these are some of the tools, the blankets that a prisoner on robin island would have used in that time. it was difficult to overstate how brutal it was. >> just terribly hard for the prisoners. one of the things that all of the prisoners refer to is how extremely cold they always were. >> nelson mandela arrived in shorts in the winter. >> in fact, there was segregation on the basis of race, black prisoners only got shorts, all year-round there you
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wore shorts. so being freezing cold was a daily struggle that all prisoners had to cope with. these spades were used in the quarry on robin island. they worked in the quarry every day, chopping sandstone. and the light was so bright, mandela always suffered problems with his eyes, subsequent to that period of time in the quarry on robin island. >> he wrote and talked about the psychological impact, even when he got the rare family visits, it was through a piece of glass, there would have been a piece of glass. >> yes, there were no contact visits. >> if you had to put in contacts of the apartheid museum and what nelson mandela means, what would you say? >> you know, it is difficult to overstate because he did become the face of the anc, the face of
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the anti-apartheid struggle. in many ways, it was a strategy, wasn't that he was promoting himself in that way, it was recognized that he was an incredibly charismatic, good-looking, sexy, you know, man that sort of represented sort of moral good in the world, and anc decided that you needed one face, one name, one person that could simplify and represent the struggle against apartheid, and mandela did that, and they couldn't have picked anyone else. what is remarkable about mandela is that we then did have him, you know, for maybe 25 years since his release, he didn't fall from grace. this is something very unusual because we all are mortal, and mandela is no saint, he would be the first to acknowledge his
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weaknesses, but he is one of the few global icons in the world that has not disappointed us. >> kris jansing, of this jansing and co. reporting from johannesburg. thomas roberts is next. great hour? >> we hope so. the agenda, syria crosses the red line, now what, that's the big question. is any u.s. action too little too late and is the juchlt about to be drawn into another never ending conflict. we will talk about the optics of what faces this country. and the gop is failing great on lbgt rights. what happened to the republican branding? and we talk to the lgbt group. and many of them don't watch the news, even read the newspapers, some have outright biased opinions in one direction or
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i am thomas roberts, topping the agenda, line crossed. no comment from president obama after his promise to ramp up support for rebels in syria in size and scale. so who is talking? syria foreign, saying the conclusion the assad regime used chemical weapons a caravan. 93,000 dead. the administration wasting no time saying the red line was crossed to beat the drones of war. >> i applaud the president's decision and i appreciate it. but the president of the united states had better understand that just supplying weapons is not going to change the equation
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on the ground. >> if we do not address the chemical weapons compromise in syria and end this war before the chemical weapons flow out of syria, not only will israel be in the cross hair of radical islamist with weapons of mass -- >> there are calls for the u.s. to increase engagement from allies of the president, the most high profile, bill clinton, who implied president obama would be weak if we didn't ask, and says the u.s. is headed the the right direction. >> the white house has made it clear they intend to do more. they don't want to talk about the details and i don't blame them, the less they talk about the details, more likely increased assistance is likely to be effective. >> what remains to be seen, what the white house
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