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a new group of entrepreneurs have a dream to turn cannabis into cold, hard crash. they are not just blowing smoke. i wau you want answers? >> i think i'm entitled. >> you want answers? >> i want the truth. >> you can't handle the truth. >> we want the truth. we are waiting for the supreme court to decide what the truth is. only two weeks left until the traditional end of the high court's term. decisions in 19 major cases are still locked behind the court's marble columns. big cases including affirmative action, same-sex marriage. the court has more opinions to issue by the end of june than any any recent terp. wh mike sax, supreme court correspondent at the "huffington post" and host and producer of a very nice little show, called huff post live.
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>> thank you, sir. >> they roll out the decisions in this dramatic way waiting for the big decisions at the end of the term. are they drama queens? what's going on? why do they do it that way? >> i was talking to a supreme court judge and he said they are a bunch of drama queens. they issue the opinions when they are done. when they are done, they bring them out the next possible day. >> they only come out mondays and thursdays. so it is not the next possible day. >> the next possible day would be the next possible schedule day. monday, they have just stated they are going to have an ad hoc session on thursday. >> fisher versus the university of texas, affirmative action. it appears likely abigail fisher will get her way and affirmative action will be fundamentally changed in america and that will be a big change for america. >> i suspect affirmative action will be existing in theory, not in practice. i think justice kennedy will control the middle and have the
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ultimate decision. he is the decider of this taking away from justice. he will probably say texas affirmative action decision is gone. maybe in some ethereal platonic ideal, we can take race in account. i will never approve of it. >> i hope you are right in some regard. let's also talk about shelby county versus holder, which is the kind of voting rights case. they are challenging section 5 of the voting rights. we know in 2012, voter suppression was running rampant. we had over 160 laos proposed throughout the country and some more pressures in some localized areas protected by section 5. all had to be pre-cleared by d.o.j. shelby county, the lead plaintiff petition ner in this case had over 200 challenges to
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which sotomayor said, you might be a bad plaintiff for this. when you think about that, how is it possible that the court could decide section 5 is unconstitutional. >> beyond the politics, there is also another section that's being challenged, section 4. in that section, it is the pre-clearance condition, the policy, the formula that congress uses to choose who is going to get preclearance. the court could say these are out of date. they need to go back to the drawing board and say what types of policies can be put forward for today. we know congress will get it. they will get the ball back in their court. what's going to happen? dropped. you will hear the ball dribble, no more. the court can pass the buck to congress and say, hey, section 5 still stands. they have to update the policies and the formula for coverage. >> there have been two other cases where we have seen the court step in on these dna issues, tough issues regardless
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of your politics. dna, relatively new medical technology that cuts in different directions. on the one hand, there was this case just this week about patents and the idea that you cannot patent your own actual, natural genetic d.n.a., only synthetic dna and this was a big issue because of health care. it stops corporations from owning a little piece off. we saw the court uphold something that is concerning to all of us who care about police practices and discriminatory police practices. they can legally and constitutionally take dna swaps from anyone who is arrested long before they figure out whether they are guilty. justice scalia wrote a dissent, we don't want a dna penoctagon. we don't want them taking this material from people that should
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be presumed innocent. the court has a lot of power. what do you think about those two cases and battles with corporations and government? >> justice scalia, ultimately, what he is saying is somewhat at odds and kind of ironic with previous decisions based on dna from a couple of years ago where they held that people that have been convicted and are in prison and believe they are innocent and want exonerating dna don't have the constitutional right to obtain that dna? someone is arrested but not convicted, the state can under the constitution now, swab their cheeks and get a dna sample for the data banks and when he wants one that is convicted, they have no power. >> it is such a great point about some of the inconsistencies. 28 states are already doing this. now, the supreme court is giving it that and says, go on. when i think about what we have here in new york with stop and frisk. over 90% of the people stopped
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and frisk we see are minorityings and while they are supposed to meet a legal standard, we find out in a case that's here in new york right now, is that probable cause doesn't amount to much. now, you can grab their dna and keep an eye on them. >> the majority of opinions did give a limited construction saying only serious offenses, people who are arrested for serious offenses can have their cheeks swabbed and have their dna collected. this is again something that the dissent led by justice scalia had mentioned. >> i am concerned about the proposition 8 case which will decide the future of gay rights, gay marriage. it seems like they will probably send it back on standing, which is a technicality, which doesn't really decide the issue. this is such a momentum issue in america. to say we send it can ba on a technicality, doesn't really move the ball forward.
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that's how justice kennedy would like it. i think he was afraid. >> he was freaked out under the equal protection clause to extend it to all 50 states. he didn't want to go there. he ultimately will try to have this technicality. >> why is it that kennedy is always the decider? he is with the majority 90% of the time. why is it that he is the one that always gets to decide which way we are going to go? >> it is just how he has been positioned. he was the third choice for president ronald reagan, the least political, least idealogical and most pragmatic of the justices nominated from bourque's seat. that's where he has positioned himself. he has views about dignity, about individual liberty that sometimes go with the liberal side and sometimes go the conservative side as we saw on his obama care decision. he thought individual liberty was best preserved by denying
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congress the right to mandate health insurance purchases the. >> you just brought up the health care decision. i was thinking how we had a tremendous surprise with john roberts. do you think there is any chance he can surprise us on the civil rights cases or the gay rights issues? do you think there is any chance he might is your advise us? >> no chance on affirmative action or voting rights act. there may be a chance with same-sex marriage. he may find with the liberals that prop 8 proponents actually had no ability to be in court to appeal the original lawsuit because the governor and the attorney general from california had pulled out and these guys really had no business in court. >> what about on doma, if he sees that they are losing, he might want to get on the right side of history. >> i didn't hear him buying that too much at oral argument. he could surprise us. i think it is the safest for doma to do that. >> will clarence thomas talk
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this time? will he say anything? >> only two words in six years. >> there is a possibility that he might say something. he does speak when he gives his decisions. he spokes when he handed down the mardecision. >> he has a working throat. >> i have a working theory when it comes to why it is taking the affirmative action so long to get out. i think he and sotomayor are going at it. sotomayor dissenting and clarence thomas consenting. speaking from their own moral authority of the good or bad of affirmative action. maybe he could clear his throat and have a dual with sotomayor on the bench. i don't think it is likely. a boy can dream. >> it is definitely a dream. interesting you could suggest clarence thomas's moral authority on affirmative action. he is going to argue against it. if you look at who he is and where he really has come from.
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mike sacks, thank you very much. >> president obama is being pushed to the brink by ever-more violent fighting in syria. what should he do? is anyone else going to come along with us. ayman moyaladin will join us. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating... ♪ the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. ♪ i'm fed up with always having to put my bladder's needs ahead of my daughter. ♪ so today, i'm finally talking to my doctor about overactive bladder symptoms. [ female announcer ] know that gotta go feeling? ask your doctor about prescription toviaz. one toviaz pill a day significantly reduces sudden urges and accidents, for 24 hours.
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arm rebel fighters in syria. today, the white house has dug in further with strong words for the assad regime. >> we don't think there is any way for the syrian regime to prevail in this conflict in a way that will have security for them. there needs to be a consequence for a regime that uses chemical weapons. the operation on the ground needs additional support given the dire situation of being faced with a regime that uses chemical weapons and has this type of foreign fighter support as well. >> that comes after the intelligence community concluded that the syrian army has, indeed, used chemical weapons to kill up to 150 of its own piece. that's a claim the syrian government denies. president obama has struggled with how to deal with syria since his first term from calling on syria to halt their violence as far back as 2011 from urging bashar al assad to
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step down and last month, the president decided not to arm the rebels and there was a mount of pressure. the president made it clear the use of chemical weapons cob a marker. you were last in syria in july of last year. you have been reporting on this conflict and we've gone through several stages. the big news being a military commitment. at least a through i intermediaries. >> when we talk about what the u.s. has given, we know there has been financial support, meals, armored vests, if you will and night vision goggles, some type of logistical equipment to help them on the ground. that hasn't been enough to tip the balance of the fight in favor of the opposition.
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what we are interpreting the military assistance to mean could be stronger assistance, slightly heavier weapons to help the p them with bringing down aircraft. that's what they want. that's what they have been asking for. that's what u.s. allies have been asking for. whether or not the u.s. delivers that, that's still, we don't know, because the administration hasn't made it clear. >> you are putting your finger on something thats wa a big point of discussion last night when the obama deputy, security adviser, ben rhodes, was answering some of these questions. most questions from the foreign correspondents who focus on this, what do we mean, how far do we go, no matter what you think, many people have come together to say, this is evil and unconscionable, the treatment by bashar al assad by his own people. whether you can integrate into that a hot conflict in a way that is ultimately good for them
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and the humanitarian interest and long u.s. interest is so complex. talk to us about what we are dealing with in that region. not just a relatively new leader in assad. we know his father had many dealings that people were critical of. there were 10,000 to 20,000 syrians killed. this goes back a long way that dictators will do whatever they feel necessary to stay in power. >> when you look at where syria is today, it is a proxy war. what we mean about that is you have the assad regime on one hand backed by iran, hezbollah, as well as russia and china diplomatic c diplomatically. you have the united states supporting the opposition militarily, countries like saudi arabia and qatar allied with the u.s. you have all these countries messing with syria's affairs. it makes it more dangerous because it could bring the
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countries into indirect confrontation. syria is iran's line of first defense. they are not going to let that fall very easily. the other component is who does the u.s. give weapons to. who is going to prevail should the opposition topple this regime. it is a point you and i have discussed because the opposition is so fractured and consists of so many different elements. some of it a little bit more friendly. certainly, the elements of the opposition including extremists, should this conflict continue to get worse, their voice is getting lau getting louder. >> it is certainly important to pay attention to this humanitarian crisis and do what we can. we have to do the right thing for america. we are a war-weary nation. we should be careful entering into a civil conflict. it could spill out into jordan and lebanon and other places. it is still just a civil
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conflict. we don't know who would replace assad if he could be replaced. you could be entering into somebody who is even worse. before we get involved with this conflict any deeper, president obama has to be able to go to the american people and say, this is why we are putting up our human and financial resources in this country and doug bandow said, americans should have something fundamental at stake before the government calls them to arms. this is why we are going into syria. he would have to say to americans who can't find syria on the map why we are doing that and why it makes a difference to them. i don't think that is possible right now. >> it is certainly a very difficult cell. you are absolutely right. the american public has been led into two wars that have cost a tremendous amount of not only money but american lives. certainly, that are the pa of the world does not want more american military intervention.
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keep that in mind. there is a component that many don't want to see american military forces inside syria. i have spoken to a lot of arab diplomates. you have to respect syria's sovereignty but you need american leadership. that does not necessarily mean military intervention. it means stronger diplomatic efforts to bring this conflict to an end. >> we have less influence there than any region in the world. >> yes and no. >> i think over the past several years, the united states has lost a tremendous amount of credibility and influence as a result of what previous administrations have pursued in iraq and afghanistan. there are questionable policies that that diminishes their influence. they do have good relations with many governments that it can exercise diplomatic, financial and other efforts to bring this conflict to an end. it so far has not done it in the way arab diplomates and arab governments would like to see from the united states.
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>> both of you touched on this. we know that americans have war fatigue from the lives lost personal relationships, friends, family members who are now gone fighting wars over the past several years. we also have an economic challenge that war creates for us. the two options that have been presented are pretty clear. it is arming the rebels or us sending our own troops in. there is no real appetite for that. you just talked about that area doesn't want american military intervention anyway. it is just trying to figure out that balance as well as knowing now our president. he is into his second term. we know he is very, very deliberate. we know he takes time in making decisions. what other factors are involved at this point that gets lost on the american public. it is not necessarily presented
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to them in black and white terms. why does the stability affect us? if syria implodes and you drag in countries like syria, then you start understanding why these things matter. the u.s. has israel, the strongest allie in the region. if the israeli/syria border begins to have problems, you have the humanitarian aspect which you talked about. that is draining resources from the neighboring countries of jordan and others which the u.s. comes in to support. these are allies of the united states. it is more of a domino effect. as syria implodes, you drag the united states into it financially and economically. can you prevent it from getting worse? many people have made the argument yes? others are making the argument the united states should stay
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out of it. that's why we are having this stalemate on the international arena with the russians constantly blocking efforts to stop it and the united states calling on president bashar al assad to step down. neither side seems to be willing to budge. >> we are going to keep an eye on that and turkey as well. another u.s. ally to your point that's in the region. >> iranian elections as well today. a lot of change in the region. >> at the same time, we have a president who has shown himself to be very assertive in the region and will go down as a very strong foreign policy president. not always involving the american people. libya and syria, very important areas where we are seeing this committed. hope you will join us to talk about it. >> always ready. >> absolutely. now, coming up, it is being called the biggest thing to hit wall street since the tech boom. investors are hoping to see green in more ways than one. my mother made the best toffee in the world.
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just think about this, a hand held portable pot vapor or or a dispensing machine that can hold 55 types of marijuana, all created, soiled and purchased legally. these are some of the ideas being pitched at an angels investors meeting. mom, i don't own any of them. ard could go to medical marijuana business daily, a real publication, lawful sales will total over $1.5 billion. our next guest was inspired by the recent marijuana legalization in colorado and washington to join tonight investors and potrapreneurs. a marijuana activist, steve deangelo, co-founder to
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jump-start legitimate marijuana businesses. what are some of the more interesting and innovative products you have seen? >> we have seen all sorts of things from hand-held portable vaporizers to lights that you can dial in the spectrum of the light and grow cannabis more efficiently to new formulas and ways of making beverages and other products out of some of the elements that are in cannabis. >> sounds very cool. do you think we are going to see legalization, decriminalization of marijuana within my lifetime, within my lifetime? >> i think for certain we are going to see complete utilization of cannabis, probably much sooner than most of your viewers expect. >> really? >> i think this change is going to come from the state level as it already has. we have about 18 states already that have passed some form of cannabis law of reform. it is not going to be long before we have a ma are the jo majority of states. >> we are talking about the
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ganja. i want to talk about the carbon monoxide any. pretty interesting you are looking at serious investors. some of them are going to care most not about some of the issues about the drug war and disparities, which a lot of us care about, but actually getting their money back. how do you pitch to investors in a space where they may see more uncertainty than other financial markets? >> we pitch to investors much the same way you would in any investment environment, except you have the added overlay of a lot of concern with legal and regulatory issues that need to be addressed. >> do you have a way to quantify that? if you look at these couple states, we north going backwards? the polling or other metrics show they don't need to worry about legislatures taking this power back. >> the group i started to introduce investors to opportunities in the cannabis space focuses on opportunities that are legal under federal law, ie, the picks and shovels
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rather than the cannabis itself. >> in addition to this very cool picture, i'm so excited that you came today looking just like it, i also just want to know, do you have a favorite pitch? is there a certain type of item that you all have under your company that is your favorite company or item to pitch to the investors? >> i wouldn't say there is a particular company. but the kind of ideas that we like the most are ones that are really going to professionalize the cannabis industry and help it move into the mainstream of life. >> do you have a sense of why this nation looks at marijuana as if it were almost the same as cocaine, rather than almost the same as wine or alcohol? >> we have had many, many years of misinformation and outright laws being told about this plant. i prefer a comparison to pharmaceuticals rather than wayne and alcohol, because cannabis is a natural, healthy alternative to many of the more
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dangerous pharmaceuticals we see advertised every night on certain tv channels. >> you use that word mainstream. that comes up a lot in politics, a lot people who care about marriage equality, try to take of something that some people view as somehow over here on the fringe, they say, no, this is mainstream. this is just like you. how does this work in the business context? is there a way you make this relatable to people who have no interest in using the product themselves? >> i think the key is to shift the perception of cannabis from being something that's a harm, that could be tolerated without too much damage to society to really showing people that it cob a positive benefit. so we explain that cannabis, the law reform, not only is a great financial opportunity but has a bunch of other great benefits. it will allow law enforcements to free up resources to focus on truly violent crime. it will allow us to use the
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industrial potential of the hemp plant, a great eco-friendly raw material the canadian farmers are making millions off of and u.s. farmers are prohibited from growing. it will allow us to take billions and billions of dollars away from the cartels and the street gangs that are current itly controlling the trade. >> to say nothing of not crimin criminalizing people for nonviolent personal behavior? up next, one and done. is this the future of parenting in america? how many simple ingredients
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families of 5, 8, and 10 out there. let's be honest. having siblings isn't always a picnic. >> amen. joining us now is lauren sandler who is an only child and the parent of one and the author of "one and only qult the freedom of having an only child and the joy of being one. >> thanks for being here. i am not an only child. i have a brother who is 14 years older than me. for years, i nagged my parents about why i couldn't have a sibling closer in age, which is probably overrated, particularly because two years ago, i had a nightmare that my dad had another daughter and i was not too happy about that. i guess the question i have for you is, do you think the age gap effect has the same type or has the same type of effect as being an only child? >> researchers who study the personality traits say if you have lived alone in your household as the only kid for seven years, it all applies to you. it is kind of the best of both world's.
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you get all the advantage of your parental attention and you have another family member, as long as you like that person. so you might be kind of lucky. >> your brother is 14 years older. my sister is 14 months younger. we were almost like twins functionally in a lot of ways. it is funny people assume you get married. you are going to have a kid an then you are going to have another one. you bet you get sick of people saying, do you want another one, are you going to have another one, what's the problem? the societal expectation you will have more than one. >> we always talk about people having kids, not children one at a time, if the aall. i think it is time we have a different conversation. >> you are kind of locked in having written this book. you can't have another one. this is part of your identity. my mother-in-law keeps saying, this will be the sequel when you have your second one. for me, this book wasn't about defending the choice to have one. i still have a little bit of time. my body hasn't decided for me yet. for the moment, it seems like the right choice for me. i think all the choices are
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valid. if you want to have zero, two, five, do what your heart tells you to do. my point was i wanted to change how we vilify this choice. i think we get a lot of flack for it. it is a really positive thing for a lot of people. >> the other question i have is there has been a lot of hoopla about cheryl sandberg's book "lean in." i wanted to ask if the argument of having one child helps with the world/life balance generally? >> i am so glad you asked that. in our country, we offer so little structural support for parnlt parents. in europe, you talk about people that talk about how hard it is to have daycare. you have great daycare, a great free college, health care. every kid takes a lot of time, d energy and attention. we tell people they have to do
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it on their own, and love it more than anyone else. it is really interesting that in this larger cultural debate about specifically motherhood and work but also just parenting and modern life, we haven't talked about what it means to, if you want to have a kid, have one. fulfill that. save so much of your time, money, energy, not just for your work but for your own life too. parents of only children get this rap for being selfish. i feel like i want adult friendships and to have a romantic marriage and go see rock shows and read novels. >> i have two kids and i do all those things. >> that's fine but it duds goes to be a little bit harder financially and in terms of energy. >> i can start to say why you stepped in this week. your piece in the atlantic said, having one child allows you to be a better writer. >> that is not what the piece
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says at all. i wrote this very narrow, very nerdy literary essay about how whether i was reporting my book, i noticed that four literary genius who i really admire all had one child. i considered in this very l literary nerdy essay that most writers have one or two. i just thought, let's have a conversation about this. >> a conversation ensued when zady smith got into the comments page. sh he just had her second child. she is a little upset at you for denigrating children. i have two kids. are four children a problem for the writer or just for his wife? the idea motherhood is a threat to creativity is absurd.
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what is a threat to all women's freedoms is the issue of time, which is the same problem whether you are a writer, factory worker or nurse. what say you to what zadie is saying to you? >> i would say that dickens didn't wash a lot of sippy up cans. of course, people can do it with more. i agree it is very much about time. for a lot of writers, time equals money, child care and time involves losing ourselves in our heads a bit, having that inner space. for me, specially as a journalist, who needs to travel a lot for my work, it is very, very different as a journalist, i think, than it is for a novelist, unless you are researching a book set somewhere else. i was really just looking at these journalists and how that freed them up to live in a certain way. i thisnk creativity happens in all forms and all ways. i wasn't saying this is the secret to being a writer and a mother, which is what the headlines said. >> two things on that. i love seeing zadie in the
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comment section. starting with, i am zadie smith, another writer. i might stop dropping comments on the internet, i am zadie smith, another writer. i wonder if this whole dispute beyond whatever the unfair aspects of internet summaries are, also goes to the political equation you mentioned earlier, which is, so often, we seem to talk about women's choices at a very personal level. there is personal responsibility. we don't talk about what you alluded to earlier, which is the policy level that undergirds and constrains those choices that a woman in europe is making different choices because of the family maternity leave, summers off in many cases which fit with a school and child-related lifestyle. here, without getting deep, which she thoughts about a lot and what she has the most attention about is personal choice when it seems to me we still have to have a more feminist, domestic policy, before we even get to free choice. >> i would love to give you a
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high-five right now. okay. that done, the thing is, without that sort of structural support, that i is more of an emphasis on our individual choices. it is a different issue. because we don't have that sort of policy, it means that there is a deeper, deeper, deeper onus on what we do, because the stakes tend to be higher. we don't have that safety net. our country doesn't talk about what it means to have one. as people, specially women, are stretching themselves more, working more while parenting ever, there is less energy and time left over for organizing, to get a different sort of policy. we are hardly even talking about it, much less actually starting a movement to make it happen. who has the energy for that? i think we become this population that gets so cocooned between work and home that there
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isn't a lot of space to engage with society in that way and to make the world what we want it to be. for me, having only one child enables me to do it more. i know people with more who are really good at doing that. they may have more inner resources than i do. i respect that. i just want my choice respected too. >> lauren, thank you so much for joining the cycle today. the congressional baseball game is all the rage. did the dems or the gop win the battle for d.c. dominance? lauren, thanks so much for joining us today. [ male announcer ] this is bob, a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin,
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if you don't have something important to say? ♪ the public has a gallop poll that shows they have the lowest confidence level in the history of the poll out of any institution. they are viewed as less trust worthy at this point than the medical system, the criminal justice system, organized labor and even the banks. that is saying something. now, with ratings that low, do you care who won last night's congressional baseball game? >> no. january strickland says, no, i want the gop to do what they promised and get some jobs going. >> jorge areeva says, this is
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why congress has such low approval ratings. they would rather play games than do their jobs. for those of you that do care, the democrats crushed the republicans and congressman, cedrick richmond, led the dems to the most lopsided win. the final score, 22-0. of course, they didn't get the 60 hits required to win. count it up. that was a filibuster. it is friday. i'm coming in hard on the filibuster. why? because i think it keblconnects the real problem for the congress. we know they have terribly low approval ratings. one reason for that. incredible segue. from funny to serious. real substantive. i love what you are doing right now, i just don't know what it is called. here is the real thing, though. we have in this country right now, i believe, very high
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participation. if you define a democracy as a place where everyone gets to vote, we are a very young democracy. it is only in the last 40 years or so where we have even had an attempt at true universal true and higher voting rates that we've had since the vietnam era. people are voting and getting involved in other ways. are high participation, very low democracy because for a range of reasons, including the filibuster and gerrymandered districts we have a much less responsive congress than we've had at other points in history. i'll give one example. when we talk about guns, we had an election. barack obama won. the democrats got the senate. the majority of the country at the tune of about the 90% wants gun safety background checks and you go to the senate and a majority of senators want that, too. all of that is working. then we hit the brick wall of what i'm calling the low democracy for a bunch of rules
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and reasons and gop obstruction. the participation side the democracy is low and people look at that and say forget congress. >> in the case of the house, have you redistricting gone rogue in 2010 and you have bipartisanship gone bad as a result of that redistricting you just talked about gerrymandering and all that caused as a result, you have a congress that thinks it's effective to vote 37 times to repeal obama care when there are real issues. >> angela, i've told you this week, 30 times is reasonable. you get up to 37 though. >> but here's the problem. >> what is the deal? >> on a serious side when the democrats had control of the house, you had 383 bills that were passed in the 111th congress to the gop-led house, 231 last congress. that was the lowest performing and lowest number of bills being passed in history since 1940. you have a terrible -- it's a terrible thing.
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>> congress should have low numbers because it is a paralyzed institution by hyper partisanship and obstruction mostly on the right side of the aisle. compromise has become a sign of betrayal. i heard evan buy talking about his father's experience as i an congressman. he said we used to have a system where people understood there are greater threats to the nation than the other party. they no longer understand that and woman rather shut down government than give it to the other party. it's disgusting. >> if you stick around, can you close the show today and shut it down? >> i can do that. i can dunk on it. >> we're sticking to baseball right now. >> i can mix those metaphors up too. >> still ahead, tourre tv. i think he's going to hit it out of the park. [ male announcer ] erica had a rough day.
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a recent peek at the surveillance state has many people understandably freaked out. some want to blame obama. some recall much of this started it bush. kevin drum put it in mother jones, in terms of intelligence and civil liberties obama's second term isn't the fourth term of the bush presidency. it's the 16th term of the eisenhower administration because the roots of the modern surveillance state go back much further than 9/11. one could write a large book about the roots. the war on drugs occasioned a shredding of the fourth amendment that the fundamentally changed the way eight government can interact with citizens and
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the amount of privacy they can expect even if probable cause does not exist. in moments of emergency citizens will allow government to have more power over them than times of peace. the war on drugs was a perfect permanent war against a frightening enemy that seemed likely to wreck the core of american society. so the supreme court expanded the government's powers so broadly that law review articles have been titled the incredibly shrinking fourth amendment and the court that devoured the fourth amendment. toward of end of his life, thurgood marshall reminded his fellow justices there is no drug exception in the constitution. but there might, as well be one because instead of privacy and protection against unreasonable search and seizure and no warrants issued without probable cause, we have a world where some citizens live in something like a police state where they can be stopped and frisked for something called a if yourtive movement which can be anything. we have courts that have okayed putting a gps tracking device on a car without probable cause and
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search warrants based on anonymous tips and helicopter surveillance of homes without a warrant. big brother has been alive and well in the drug war for decades, a war where -- a world where as the wire creator david simon blog this had week the government has used court orders to cull numbers from thousands of calls from certain pay phones monitoring every single number dialed. sounds a little like what the nsa is doing. now along with a drug exception to the bill of rights, we have a terror exception. these authoritarian abuses were acceptable to most when it was the drug war. largely because of who they were happening to. now it seems some of this is happening to all of us but the fourth amendment has been eviscerated. even if you think it's discomforting it's in not illegal and thus it may be too late. it minds me of the famous poem. first they came for the communists and i didn't speak out because i wasn't a communist. then kay they came for the black men in drug riddled areas and i
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didn't speak out because i wasn't one of them. chep they came to me mate diet data, there was no one left but me. one federal judge said it may profit us very little to win the war on drugs if in the process we lose our soul. i wonder if we already have. up next, a man whose soul is fully attacked. martin bashir. >> thank you so much. toure. it's friday, june 14th and the white house is seeing red. >> a red line for us is a whole bunch of chemical weapons. that would change my cal cue will us. >> we're keeping pressure on a syrian regime. >> chemical weapons have been used. a line has been crossed. the civilized is world has recognizes the weapons should be out of bounds. >> the u.s. said to intervene. >> ramp up its military assistance. >> we are now wading into the syrian civil war.
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>> have we not just put our foot in quick sand. >> what's the syria end game? >> there is no strategy design. >> i applaud the president's decision. >> no one wants to start wars. >> the white house has made it clear they intend to do more. >> just supplying weapons is not going to change the equation. >> the president will be given the opportunity to talk to his counterparts at the g-meeting. let's see what happens. >> it's been a critical 24 hours in this nation's stance on the civil war in syria. it was at this time ep yesterday that we first learned that the white house had reached a clear conclusion that a red line had been croused with regard to the use of chemical weapons by the syrian government. and the president through his spokesman confirmed that he would now authorize direct military support for the relatives and so just a
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