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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet! down! >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman extended stay."
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>> open up gate 14. >> announcer: inmates at the holman correctional facility who are found violating the rules are brought into a disciplinary hearing to determine their punishment. >> been written disciplinary for possession of contraband. service violations are follows. you did have, in your possession, two set of naiknive red, one white. do you wish to plead guilty or not guilty? >> i'll plead guilty. >> sign that right there. >> you know your release from segregation is pending this review board, right? >> yes, sir. >> i'm going to recommend 30 days loss of visitation privileges. >> okay. >> take your glasses with you.
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>> the thing of the guy seize is they'll go down there and lose something that they don't have. lipstick, we try to keep that down to as little as we can keep it down to. it causes fights over with the homosexuals. most of the time, when you have an incident, it will be fighting over cards, dice and over a homosexual relationship. >> i have a complex about being called gay or homosexual. okay, i know that i was born a male. i know that.
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i see myself as a woman. i like to be respected and dressed like a woman. my ex-husband, my deceased husband, he was very overprotective. he insisted on beating me. i try today get away. i went to the kitchen. there was this knife set. the biggest handle that i seen, i grabbed it and ran outside. he was standing there. i just stabbed him. he fell. i stabbed him again. they grabbed the knife and called the police. i still had the knife in my hand. they came, they retrieved the knife.
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they harnd cuffed me and i've been locked up ever since. >> announcer: once locked up, marcus was quick to develop prison romances and is currently on her third prison marriage. >> i see him as a man, a straight man, that's how i see him, you know. he's a man. he's my husband. i'm a woman. i'm his wife. oh, let me route my hair down. >> we exchanged vows, you know. he opened his heart to me, i opened my heart to him. and we vowed to be best friends for life. >> marcus has asked that his identity not be revealed.
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i feel like i didn't understand the situation like that. my identity is hitting. i had been in a relationship like this. it seemed like i'm a man and just in a relationship. she is gay. that's it. but now on my side, i ability gay. she's gay. i still haven't been able to accept that. >> i'm his first, i'm his first prison wife. and i can understand why he's a little shaky about it, you know what i'm saying? >> marcus, while she's there, is not allowed to communicate with her husband. >> the hardest thing about being in lock-up is not being able to sit, talk to him. he's just my everything.
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he's my everything. >> i want her to know that i love her. and me, i'm waiting on her. >> in order to get out, marcus must be put on a release list. one of the people that can be put on this list is deputy warden paterson. >> just let me out of this locker and let me be with my best friend. >> what is it, marcus? >> june 14th, we'll have you 90 days. at that point, we could possibly consider you for population, if you don't have an enemy situation. do you have an enemy situation? >> no, sir. you know i don't have an enemy
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situation. >> let me see your hands. >> cut them nails. >> yes, sir. >> i'm going to be so glad when they let me out of this lock-up. i'm going to give him the best life you could imagine. >> you all want to be out of here? >> coming up. marcus pleads with the warden to be let out of adsag. >> so why should i turn you into pop? >> please, warden. >> i ain't convinced right now.
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>> announcer: inmates in the administrative segregation unit have only one hour of rec time a day. it means few opportunities to
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communicate with one another. so they invent ingenius ways to have conversations with their friends. allen clark has recently been transferred to holman and hasn't formed any friendships with the inmates there. but he does have a relationship with someone on the outside. >> for 15 years, i didn't have anybody to come see me or write me or anything like this. and then came [bleep]. she is a darling, you know. she's the love of my life. i miss her something terrible. you just really wouldn't believe. last year, in september, i became real sick. and i was sick all that day. when i got to the infirmary,
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they took my blood pressure and found it was real, real low. they rushed me to the emergency room but i met a nurse there. when she walked into the room and we made eye contact, i knew that she was going to be my girl. when we started seeing each other, i said i've got life without parole. i may never get out. and she told me, she says you let me worry about that. finally, one day, i'm visiting her up here and she came down to see me. i got down on my knee and i asked her, will you marry me. she says yes. so i said, okay. and i'll put in a request for marriage. and so i did.
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as it stands right now, the chaplain says ninety and wide. >> before he opens his mail, it must undergo a meticulous screening process. >> good morning, holman mail room. >> if it doesn't have dorm numbers, they can't have it. if it doesn't have a name or address, they can't have it. if they don't have an address at all, they can't have it. no kind of nude pictures, pictures that are sexually explicit. that's not allowed. i noegticed it was like a big sticker. when i peeled it off and opened it up, it was a nude picture.
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okay, well, that's rejected. at first, i was like, okay, the nudity pictures. that really don't bother me. we did have one woman who purposely hid behind cards. she opened them up and pass them behind other pictures of, like, her children. that's a great one. i love that one. she kept doing that. i mean, it was every day. at one point, he banned her from corresponding for 90 days with him. and she has to start writing him again and he also took away visitation rights with him. when it goes to extreme measure, that's pretty much how i learned to do this. i can't get it by. they leave it alone.
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>> meanwhile, she hopes to be released to general population. >> he's maintaining, i mean. he wanted me out there working. i need to be out there with him. we've been riding each other back and forth, but, i mean, really just not having communication with him. i'm not there with him. i won't know.
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>> what's up with you? >> he wants to do an interview with me. >> you don't want to be interviewed? >> he asked a question. >> what question did he ask you? >> have i seen [bleep]? >> that caused you to cry? >> because it hurt me. >> because i asked you if you seen [bleep]? that hurt you? >> i ain't going to talk to you about this. they want me to talk to you about being released to general pop. >> i'm sorry, mr. cole. i'm sorry. >> both of them times when you was in population, you called yourself being with one
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individual? yes or no? you call yourself one individual all of the time. yes or no? >> well, yes. >> whether you say they're your problems or not, i cannot stop these guys from coming after you. and you know that regardless, somebody's going to make a play for you. so why should i turn you out to pop. >> please, mister, give me a chance. >> don't beg. i don't want you to beg. i want you to give me one good reason. >> i'm not going to come and beg. just show me. >> i ain't convinced right now. and the reason i ain't convinced because if you go to general
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population, you've got about 60 or 90 days in general population and there will be problems. that's what history tells me. >> i think you're wrong this time. >> listen. >> it's just not fair. >> coming up, terrance mosley gets written up again. but this time, it's not for indecent exposure. and allen clark's fiance may be getting cold feet. >> i had asked her and she was getting married. would you like to hear the conversation with?
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authorities have lifted mandatory evacuation orders for colorado springs. a fire there is 30% contained. in texas, three people are saved after a party boat went up in flames. fire officials say the fire started in the kitchen. and prince phillip is in the hospital. he said his father is doing much better after abdominal surgery. prince william and prince harry also stopped by. i'm veronica dela cruz. now, back to "lockup". >> due to extreme subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> i probably got a hundred hours in tattoos. angels and stuff. and i've got the devil on this side. freddie kruger, medusa, things
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like that. skull face, two .45s and a shoulder holster. cadillacs on. i want to go on and get the rest of my chest covered and have a whole sert. i'm going to work on the rest of that. >> after six weeks at holman correctional facility, our rcre went to check out an inmate who's repeatedly exposed himself to officers. >> the reason he did this is because on a particular day, i
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started my cell and we were walking. he was masturbating and i had to use force. so on this particular day, inmate terrance mosley and he thought he was going to throw it in my face. >> it's now escalated into a grudge match. >> i don't know what i'm going to say. start come plying with the rules and quit being such a troublemaker. disciplinary action doesn't seem to have an effect on him. that's the only two we've got.
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in the old days, we would just roll the door and whip him, but we don't do that stuff anymore. hope eventually, he'll come around. i really don't see any hope for him. >> narrator: while officers hope to changer eric mosley's behavir for the best. >> allen clarkson is in lock up. he's an inmate that we're going to go see. he didn't know whether his fiance was going to marry him or not. he was under the impression that they were okay. but, apareparenapparently, she returned any letters wren he had written her. apparently, there was something wrong. he had me call her to find out if they still want to get married.
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>> allen, do you know what this is about? have you had an opportunity to talk to [bleep]? >> no, i haven't. >> remember you told me to give her a call concerning you guys getting married and all that type of stuff? well, i went talking to her and she sounded pretty upset. and i had asked her if she was still interested in getting married. she said married? i said yeah, allen has been wanting to get married for a while, as i understand it. she said in emphatic terms, absolutely not. so i don't know how all of that sits. apparently, she's upset. >> yeah, she's the one that asked me. she's the one that told me to go ahead and get the application for the marriage. that's why i asked you about going ahead and getting married.
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>> what do you think changed your mind? >> i have no idea. >> she's noticeably upset. >> yeah. yeah. i need to strike that up, whatever miscommunication might have taken place. >> yeah, deaf niltly. >> all right. >> okay. see you later. apparently, she's mad at me for some reason. i don't know. i don't know why she's mad at me. she's the one that asked me to get the ball rolling on the marriage thing. i don't know what's happened. >> we came to an agreement that you'll keep your nose clean and i'll cut you loose. but you couldn't do that.
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for marcus thomas, another meal in administrative segregation is another meal without her husband. it's this, all day, every day.
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it seems like somebody's changing. i can't say i really don't know. >> sometimes, i just wish it could be the one that i love. away from all of this nonsense. i just pray that he remains strong until i get there. >> while marcus thomas struggled with life in adsag, struggling whether this is a long term relationship. >> i had a lot of mixed feelings. who knows, we -- she'll always have to have a man, you know what i'm saying. you know that -- that -- that messes with me mentally.
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we've been in a relationship two years, a couple of months. i really can't say, you know, like i said, at any time, we could be going separate ways. >> allen clark is being moved to another cell in a dwrks sag. it's been nearly two weeks since the chaplain told him that his fiance seems to have moved on. >> i wrote her two letters. i asked her in the letter if she would write me and let me know what is really going on, you know. if she wants to call it off, that's fine. but tell me. don't -- you know, let me know something. i don't really know what's going on.
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gld maintaining relationships can be difficult. but just getting in to them can prove to be dangerous. >> i had it in my mind i wasn't going back to the street no more. so i came in here and get me a friend. and then i started messing with homosexuals and things. they was taking the place of a female. >> marion atechts of making contact with perspective partners hasn't always gone to plan. >> i wanted to talk to him about that, you know what i'm saying. the man took one blow and knocked me out. in one cell, i got stabbed up down there. oh, yeah.
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another inmate hit me in the head with the lock. the good lord woke me up and told me, he said hey, don't you think that's enough? just one minute. if you don't give one second of your time, you don't know what you might be missing. so i started going to church. and i started getting off to christian study and bible study and stuff like that. i kind of started liking it. >> with marion becoming more and more involved in the church, he decided it was time to make a real commitment to the lord and become baptized.
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stand up here and watch your step. >> now, based on your confession that jesus christ is lord, i'm going to baptize you right now in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, aamerican men. >> i'm a christian. and i live for the lord. i gave my life to the lord.
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others have problems finding the right direction. he's going to confront him on his most recent incident. >> what's your problem? i've got to get your attention one way or the other. >> you haven't proved that to me. if you had been locked up, the thing you would have did is just came down, did your time, let us figure all of that out. you've seen that happen before. that's how we came to the agreement, if you can keep your nose clean.
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then i cut you loose. but you couldn't do that. >> i slipped. >> there's a consequence for slipping. >> i know the consequence for slipping. >> i'm taking responsibility for what you did, too. this is what you have to do. before we can talk about working the deal that we had before you slipped, you've got to do these 14 days. >> i ain't trying to manipulate the system. but if i do these 14 days, i'm asking it right now. if i do the 14 days, can i get a five-minute phone call to my mother? >> sf i can talk to her first. >> deal. >> all right. anything else? >> yeah, i'd like to apologize to her, right? >> okay. okay. do it.
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>> i apologize. >> okay, do it. >> you're ready. this is -- sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. >> coming up, desperate to get out of adsag, marcus thomas becomes bold. >> e'm a homosexual. the only way you're going to know who's telling the truth, me or you, you're going to have to let me out and show you. look at them kids. [ sigh ]
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>> okay. >> they recommended my release. after nearly 17 months in waiting in adsag, marcus is being released to general population. >> i just feel myself getting close to my hood. >> marcus is optimistic that her name is finally on the release list this time. >> if i put you on my list for you to get out of sag, is that what you're talking about? >> yes, sir. that's what we're going to do now is talk about why i don't have you on this list.
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they met you down like a herd of horses. it wasn't long before there started being a lot of confusion between two or three different guys than, all of the sudden, these guys wanted to try to go to fighting over marbles. i honestly believe there's going to be a problem. >> why? >> because the last time, the two times you were down there -- >> why are you so hard on me because i'm a homosexual. no one ever got hurt. i really need to be back in population, i really do. i am not going back to this jail. i've got it together. i've got it all together. >> you can tell me you've got it all together, but you can't tell me [bleep] is going to do. >> yes, i the can. i know him. i know him more than he know himself.
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the only way you're going to see who's right, me or you, is go out and let me show you. >> there's a lot of new guys down that hall. and when you hit that hall way down there, there's going to be one of them saying i've got to have him. i'm going to have him. >> it's never been that serious. >> if i find out that you have caused problems down there [bleep] i get into it and find it's you, i'll lock you back up. >> i will accept that. i will accept that. >> all right, let me think about it then. sheriff green will agree with it, also. >> thank you, captain krout. >> you're welcome.
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>> he's going to take it into consideration. he didn't say no. if he would have said no, i probably would have just broke down. come on, take me back. i don't want to talk anymore. >> well, back to my little cell. >> while custom mas is about to get rewarded for his good behavior for the past few weeks. >> so ifgs part of the thing. >> so, really, i'm not doing you a favor. >> warden culiver has been
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keeping terrance's mother aware of his behavioral problems. there's a permanent change. >> you tried to, right. i've got that problem. it's a problem. >> no, not at all. >> yes, ma'am. >> we appreciate it. i got out of the contract with him. that's something that he's just got to work on. if he continues to do well, i'll let him call you in a couple of months.
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or maybe we'll give him the bible and let him read the bible. yes, ma'am. >> i need tranz. >> you've got to have a trans to go to population? >> yeah. >> i think he's touched right now. i think five hours from tomorrow. when i referred back to his mother, i think it kind of got to him. he's actually closer to his mom
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here than he will in any other maximum facility we have here. after meeting, captain craft will deliver the final decision as to whether she will make it. >> we're willing to try. thank you. how are you doing this morning? >> good. >> listen, i sat down and talked to the warden. about this con trakts and allowing you to come out. he wants to wait and turn you out late summer, early fall.
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we're going to do it, but it's going to be then. okay. is that agreeable? okay. all right. maintain yourself now. >> okay. >> i guess i'm looking at august or september. >> nothing at all.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down. >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman, extended stay."

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