call 1-888-xarelto or visit goxarelto.com. sending arms to syria. new word on what made the white house decide to give more help to the rebels. edward snowden may be sharing information with china. what does that mean for him and the u.s.? the big squeeze. one airline company plans to pack more people onto every plane but how? the new superman film, why the caped hero may be wearing more than just an s on his chest. welcome. it's high noon here in the east. it's 9:00 a.m. in the west. we have new reports suggesting more secrets could spill as the u.s. investigates just how much data edward snowden took with him to china.

kristin welker is at the white house. wh what options do they have? >> reporter: we expect the u.s. will bring charges against edward snowden. just to give you a sense of the magnitude. that is what we expect moving forward. that's not happened yet. there are a number of key questions here. chief among them where is edward snowden. at last check he was believed to be in hong kong where we should say there was a protest. people out protesting hailing him has a hero for these recent leaks. this all comes as a number of members of the u.s. government as well as lawmakers on capitol hill say the leaks may have harmed national security.

they say they are concerned about the united states enemies being tuned in and clued in to how the u.s. launches these types of investigations. take a listen to what eric holder had to say earlier this week. >> this case is still under investigation and i can assure you that we will hold accountable if person responsible for those extremely damaging leaks. >> reporter: other lawmakers including ron paul have said that snowden has done the right thing by vealing the methods by which the united states government monitors phone records and foreign internet records but another question question that's on the table now is trying to determine what if any leak links edward snowden head with china. there is concern he might be

sharing u.s. secrets with china. those are some of the key questions that lawmakers are looking into. there's no answer to that question of where is he now. that's the one they want answered. here is another question out there. could be there some other edward snowdens. earlier we heard from greg miller and he offered us his take. >> i think it's a significant possibility and this is what has alarmed u.s. counter intelligence officials. we've had two massive leaks of sensitive information over the past three years with edward manning, a private in the army and now edward snowden. these are people who are at the lowest levels of the intelligence community who don't have any reason in their jobs

for access to highly sensitive documents but yet were able to smuggle out considerable amount of material and so there's a lot of alarm within the u.s. intelligence community and spy agencies over whether there are others who in similar low level positions who might be overlooked by security people but could get away with secrets. >> there are no known warrants for his arrest. developing now, secretary of state john kerry has issued statement on syria saying the assad regime use of chemical weapons threatens to put a political settlement out of reach. joining me now democratic congressman elliot rangle. welcome to you. glad to have you. before we get to syria, we want to tell you that iran has

announced they have a newly elected moderate cleric. does that change the equation between iran and the united states? >> no. no one run ning in the iranian election were not nominated. you have a collection of people vying for president saying the same thing. they will take a hard line and that's part of the problem we have in syria today as well. iran is there. it's lurking. it's aiding assad. it's in cohoots with hezbollah. that's why president obama is concerned. >> do you agree with secretary of state kerry that settlement is out of reach based on the use of chemical weapons and

hezbollah's involvement? >> there would be a conference and settlement and a negotiation for a post assad syria. it's clear now that assad is not leaving. he's being backed by iran and backed by russia. he's being backed by the hezbollah organization. the situation has changed. we have to change. otherwise we will see a humanitarian crisis of tremendous proportion. >> hasn't part of the reason for a delay of u.s. involvement been because of holding out hope of some sort of a political negotiation of sorts and with the united states now saying they are providing small arm, weapons and ammunition to syria doesn't that put out a political process of diplomacy it's off the table. >> i think a decision was made and correctly so that a negotiated settlement is not only off the table, it's not

possible because russia is giving us 300s which is the a i anti-aircraft and hezbollah is fighting on the side of syria. the west is sitting on its hands and the bad guys are getting all the weapons. this is an attempt by the president to say enough is enough. let's look at what's happened in syria. it's humanitarian crisis. assad has murdered 93,000 of his own people. there are 70 million syrians displayed. if we just sit by and do nothing many, many thousands more will die. we intervened in libya. t this is even more important. assad is iran's proxy right now. they are watching very carefully

what we are doing. if iran perceives any weakness on the west in syria they're not going to believe anything and will keep proceeding for nuclear weapons. this has implications way beyond syria. >> by becoming involved it's been suggested that the united states will own this war. what's your response to that? >> the president has been careful and he's right to say there will be boots on the ground. there were no boots on the ground in libya. we have to talk about a no fly zone but these are all bad choices, but the choice to do nothing is the worst possible choice. >> it would seem the american public has little to no appetite involvement in syria. granted this is small arms and weapons. how effective can that be in helping the rebels? >> i don't think you do these things based on polls. i think you do it in what's in the u.s. strategic interest.

from the humanitarian thing it's the right thing to do. i don't think we should get involved in another war. no one is saying that. you can always say if you get involved, if you aid the rebels you'll get sucked in but we don't have to get sucked in. we have the rebels that are fighting for a free syria, a democratic syria and mismatched. the opposition, the bad guys are getting all the weapons. this is an attempt to even the playing field. >> is there a sense of exactly with whom we are dealing when it comes to the rebels. have their leadership pads been accomplished. do we know who is at the head of each of those factions of the rebels? >> we know the free syrian army is led by mr. adris and they are pro-west. >> they are one of good guys? >> absolutely. >> without question? >> without question. i'm suggested we give aid to well vetted rebels. i introduced a bill in the house

of representatives that would give president obama the authority to aid the rebels. assad has been a bad guy in 2004 i passed the syrian accountability account which slapped sanctions on syria. it's a decade later and he hasn't stopped. >> is there a guarantee these sha small weapons will not fall into the hands of al qaeda? >> there's no guarantee. these are all bad choices. nothing is a slam dunk but to do nothing is the worst possible choice. if we act now we have a chance of the good guys winning. it's not only the good guys. it's in our strategic interest tom let them prevail. there's chaos and potential chaos for our ally jor dodonjor. we need to move to make sure the

least worst thing happens. thank you for your time. now let's get to the weather. a major cleanup in georgia after two tornadoes touched down. we have the forecast. >> we had a lot of severe weather move through the country earlier this week. now things are quietening down a bit especially in the northeast. it's turned into a gorgeous weekend. we have some showers and storms trying to move through the midwest. the heavier rain is north western iowa and across illinois and in the chicago area too. it's in that area from basically denver right over into chicago where we could see some stronger storms as we go through the day today. not really a huge risk of tornadoes but we could see hail and stronger wind gusts. temperatures warming up. we're up to 82 degrees in kansas city. 68 in denver. near colorado springs temperatures will be cooler than

they have been. that will help with the fire efforts out in that area. we're looking at slightly higher humidity and that will also alleviate the risk of fire spreading. we will also enjoy some quieter winds. we're not looking at 30 miles per hour wind gusts in the denver, colorado springs area. we will see isolated thunderstorms out in the rockies and the midwest. in the northeast for father's day we'll see late day showers and storms. most of the day looks fine but kansas will see scattered showers and storms. it's hot as temperatures in phoenix get well above 100 degreese degrees. again, the severe weather threat doesn't look that significant today but we will still watch out for stronger storms. >> the dads here in new york city are saying a big thank you to you. rick perry on the subject of humility for the republican party and at the bottom of the

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some headlines making news out on the west coast. the seattle times is running the story, proof of syria's chemical weapons use sketchy. they are skeptical about claims they have used serin. the arizona republic has stories about phoenix food tax. they have a 2% tax that allocates money to food banks and art programs. it shows how they make grocery store bills higher for those that can barely afford to pay more while providing free food to those in poverty.

web is singing the song today. it's the place in southern california that inspired the tune. among the artists that have recorded the song, glen campbell and donna summer. some of the biggest names in the republican party is making their voice heard at the faith and freedom conference in washington. we heard from marco rubio and this morning rick perry got a few laughs. >> building a majority under the banner of faith and freedom. we need to do it with humility. we need to understand we got a long way to go. now, i've learned a little bit about humility particularly on national television. >> joining me now for more front page politics u.s. news reports lauren fox and david. david, i'll begin with you. rick perry, paul ryan and sarah

palin. are they checking an annual box? >> this is a big gathering. it's put on by ralph reed. i think all of those folks who spoke and our potential candidates in 2016 want to tap into the base. there's a lot of uncertainty in the republican party about how to go forward. a lot of new ideas. republican chairman says republicans have to change the way they talk about minorities and social issues. at this convention there's a lot of red meat served up and not a necessarily new messaging going on. as much as they are laughing at themselves the way rick perry did this still the heart of the party and the messages are delivered to that. >> interesting message on immigration. lauren i want to talk about what marco rubio did. is this the kind of faith based crowd that may be a little more

supportive on what he is trying to do? >> that's interesting. that's one of the hallmarks is how involved some of the christian community has been in this. there are a lot of baptist minister who is have formed coalitions to get folks in the pulpit on board with immigration reform. i think marco was trying to do was bridge the divide and show the gap that maybe once assisted is not really there anymore. >> what about those that are not there. most notably, even though you have the conservative republican, chris christie not there. he was with bill clinton on friday. in 2013 that might work. what about 2014 and what is the message we should take away hanging with bill clinton much like he did with president obama. >> i think you hit the nail on the head. he's running for re-election. he's in a blue state.

i think he is trying to make sure he does first thing first and win re-election. when you talk about down the road i think he has angered in many the republican party for seeming so comfortable with both president obama and former president clinton. he was walking along the boardwalk with president obama a few weeks ago. they're playing arcade games. this is an interesting tactic. i think it would marginize him in a national republican discussions about the leader of the party. on the other hand it could help him in 2016. it will be interesting if he went up against hillary clinton. >> much like -- sure that's the general election but as you're saying governor christ to the best of my recollection he has to get reelected does not attending the faith and freedom

kmps hurt him or do you expect to see him 2014 and 2015. >> i think that could hurt him. he has a couple more years to sort of once he gets reelected it will be interesting to see if he pivots back and what happens with his relationship with president obama. they have a beneficial relationship for both men. the question is -- there's still time for governor christie to walk back. >> lauren, he used to live on $31.50 a week. this is with his groceries. he's taking this food stem challenge. what have you learned about this? >> i had lunch with him yesterday and he was preparing a peanut butter sandwich as i came to meet him. one of the things he is learning is he's very hungry.

he showed me his grocery bill. he's been pasta with tuna with a little flavor the the last few nights. he will continue to do so. he said what's the most difficult part of this is when i'm done on wednesday, this will be over for me but it won't be over for those on food stamps. he's part of a broader coalition doing this to protest the house farm bill will cuts $20.5 billion in food assistance programs over the next decade. a significant cut and the house members are hoping some kind of public one like this will help to cause some of those republicans to pause before they vote yes for this bill. >> i'm thinking about what it would be like to live on less than $32 a week in groceries. that's extraordinary. i'm glad for the example he's setting. how the man of steel became a marketing hero.

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he remains in serious condition. police in turkey's capital confiscated tents as they cleared protesters from park. the protest over development plan continued despite the prime minister's call for them to end. a massachusetts man can recovering after being rescued. he was hiking when a storm hit. it knocked down a tree which fell on him and broke his ankle. a park ranger found the hiker and called for help. in sanford, florida jury selection resumes next week. 28 perspective jurors survived a first round of questioning. finding people from the area who haven't formed an opinion has not been easy. joining me now from tallahassee,

florida, benjamin crump. glad to have you here. thank you for joining us. i know, sir, you have been with the members of the martin family during jury selection. from their perspective as well as yours how satisfied are you with the process? >> well, we're encouraged that we're finally at the point where the killer of their unarmed son is having to face a jury of his peers. they have faith and they are encouraged that we will be able to get fair and impartial jury and that's all they have wanted because if they get that they believe the evidence is so overwhelming to hold the killer of their son accountable. >> i know you are the family attorney. describe for me your duties for the family. in addition to being legal counsel, it could seem like you have been with them every step of the way. >> yes. at this point you try to protect

them and represent their interests when you have these outrageous allegations being made. this irrelevant information released by the defense. you want a voice for them in that respect and so you're there for them. this family is so emotional sitting through this jury selection but they are resolute in their per suursuit for their. >> here are remarks for potential jurors. let's take a listen to that together. >> i heard that there was an altercation and that mr. zimmerman felt it was -- his life was in danger and he decided to defend himself from mr. martin. >> i don't want to judge but i want to say this could have been prevented if he had not been up here. >> it still doesn't make it

right. >> lots of varied comments, sir from these potential jurors. how is the family reacted to that? >> well, they have -- these parents have been quite remarkable in keeping their composure in face of just a terrible tragedy and to have insult on top of injury to have people try to assassinate the character of your child after they killed him but they have sat there calmly and they've listened and the opinions have been varied. a lot of people have come up and said they believe he's guilty. some have said they believe he's innocent. when you come for an opinion that's already resolute in your mind then you can't serve on the jury. we try to find people who can be fair and impartial and can say they have not made up their mind and they tell the truth about

their biases and perspectives so we can see who is the best individuals to serve on this potential juror to render a verdict based on the evidence and the law alone. >> what's interesting to me is how composed the family has maintained themselves through all of this. it's admirable. as you said earlier and they have said many times all they want to do is see a trial. is that enough for them still? >> certainly they want justice. if this was your child, you would want equal justice, simple justice. they don't want anything more than the zimmerman family would want if the shoe was on the other foot and trayvon shot unarmed george zimmerman. that's why the whole world is watching. does everybody get equal justice? it's ironic we're on the 50th anniversary of medgaregars

killing to the point every citizen gets equal justice. we believe the evidence is so clear and overwhelming when you get to vet this evidence that he should have never got out of his car and he profiled and shot this unarmed kid in the heart and but for the dynamics of race nobody would say this was a hard case. nobody would say this was a complicated case so why is it different when you change the dynamics. that's the question you must face. >> this is how mark o'mara described the process. we also invited him to come on the show. we've been unable to reach him but here is part of that. >> the whole purpose is we could walk in and say you promise to leave everybody outside the case outside the case. answer to that yes. we should be done. the lawyers we can take one question and turn it into a few dozen and we've been doing that for the last couple of days.

we'll try to move it along. we're trying to get that stuff that you know about the case on the table. >> since you've been in that courtroom, how do you think he is handling this jury selection phase? >> i think all the officers of court have a goal and that is to try to get jurors perspective jurors to be honest and candid about their perspectives and their biases. i think the state has asked questions that are pretty straightforward trying to find juror who is would be best for their case and like wise i think zimmerman's defense lawyers have tried to ask questions to see if people would be best for them and i have no objection to that. that's what they have a right to do. we want everybody to watch and see if they are asking perspective jurors the same questions because that's very interesting whether you ask a

certain group of peoples than another group. we all need to just watch and make sure it's very transparent and very fair how we select this jury and how we do this entire trial so everybody can accept the verdict because they know it was fair and we all watched it. >> we hear a watching very closely. thank you for your time. >> thank you, alex. in today's office politics george packer, george and i discussed his name sake grandfather, a forward thinking politician plus the economic divide in this country starting with why americans don't seem to know each other well anymore. >> there's been an upward curve of wealth flowing to the top to levels we haven't seen since the great gatsby and of the bottom 60% really flat lining.

wages have been stagnant for the majority of americans for over 30 years which is unprecedented. economic inequality is a big part of the book. a big fact at the center of everybody's story. i also think it's a stratification that's hardening where americans don't know each other very well across these lines. people eat different things. they watch different things. they talk differently. obviously there's always been regional distinctions and class distinctions but i feel that today there's like a super class of celebrities and elites at the very top who live in their own world and so on down the line until you get to a family like the heartsel who live in tampa. the dream of ownership turning into a nightmare but a part-time job at walmart to support a

family of four it's impossible and their connection to the idea of going to college and moving up through doing the right thing is so tenuous now that they've almost stopped believed in it. there's a sense among more and more people that the game is kind of rigged. >> you bring up walmart and it's so interesting when you talk about the family that six members of the family hold more wealth than the bottom 30% of the citizens in this country. >> which is about 90 million people. it's a shocking figure. >> i want to talk about what you have framed here. blood of liberals which is a book that chronicles your family through three generations. talk about writing that. what's that like self-examination and otherwise. >> that came out in 2000. it looks at my mother's father who i was named after.

he was a congressman in birmingham, alabama in the early 20th century. he was back then the south was a hot bed, kind of radicalism. it was not what it is today. he was a 5'6" orator who would stand up to justice of the peace morgan and the banks in a way you don't see it. >> how do you spend your down time? >> i don't have a lot. writing a book with two kids in the house was nearly impossible. my wife made it possible. it changes everything. hanging out with them is my main source of fun. i'm a sports fanatic but i

haven't had as much time to watch. i did catch a few mets games this year. i'm not really a mets fan. i think it take a while to take hold. >> yankees, mets. >> i hate the yankees. >> me too. >> living in new york has made me hate them all the more. my mother was the sports fan in my household. >> really. >> she and i watched the nfl and major league baseball and the nba. jerry west was my god when i was growing up. i think i wrote him 15 letters and got 15 machine signed photographs. >> which you kept, right? >> i kept them. i know you didn't sign this. how can you not sign this for me. >> tomorrow at this time george discusses his book. it was named top ten book of 2005. the days of feeling cramped

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they triy eied to work it in organically. can you blame them because in this weekend alone it's already made about 56 million. plus 160 to 170 million in product placement. they have practically paid for the film in just a few days. >> it cost about $225 million to make. can i get my director to put back up the list of sponsors. is there a sense it's excessive? look at this. >> a little. it's a lot. i think some of the reaction to it will be generational. when you think about someone maybe from 17 to 25, they probably -- they're probably more used to it than people that are older. the younger people are kind of thinking this is just the way it is. it's interesting they try to work it into the story as much as possible like superman's earth mother works at sears. you see them a lot. there's an i hop in there and clark kent's glasses.

why not have a product placement. they are seizing every opportunity. if you were offered a house and pay for half of it by having logos all over it, would you do it? this is a business. they're trying to make more money. in two weeks without those product placements would probably have paid for it any way. >> i'm going to ask you, does it bother you? do you feel it's excessive? >> it does bother me a bit. thing like this can be don organically. there a lot of films that do. this if we didn't see any brands in a street scene, that would be a a little inauthentic but to overload us with brand names throughout is a little excessive. there may be a tipping point where people say enough is enough. truthfully there's so many brands out there and these companies are tlog pay just for the awareness of their brand being in a movie.

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in today's strategy talk, arming the rebels. the white house has begun talks they will provide small arms for syrian fighters. critics say it's a move too little too late. it's always a pleasure to have you. good day. peter baker from the new york times has this great article. it's on the lead up to this decision. he writes when mr. obama agreed for the first time to small forces he had to be almost dragged into the decision at a time when critics, some advisors and even bill clinton were pressing for action. >> can you hear audio? >> oh, goodness. >> are we not able to hear?

can you hear me now, governor? >> i can hear you. can you hear me? >> i can. i was putting a quote out there. >> i heard it. >> how worried are you ha the president wads drith dragged in decision. >> i don't think he was dragged into it. this is a very difficult judgment. i've been very supportive of the president on syria because we don't exactly know what we're getting into here. there are some elements of al qaeda who are savage fighting on the side of the rebels who we in general support because assad is awful. there's been beheading. these are not the rebels we like. we went down this road in afghanistan where we supplied armed to people to bin laden's forces to get them out and it came back to bite us in the you know what. this president has an incredible decision to make. i hope this is the right thing to do because there's some really unsavory people on both

sides here. >> interesting angle here. the optics of having ben rhodes making the announcement here and not the president. this has been a major issue for the white house and he staffs it out. >> well, i think howard put it well. this is a controversial decision. i'm not sure exactly what this means in terms of being able to help the rebels. what levels it will rise to. we have created a problem by creating a vacuum there with some of our statements that's brought iran into this full force behind the syrian regime. these are difficult decisions no matter who was there. i think the president recognizing his base wanted to get the decision out there but not have it readily identified with him and the outcomes. >> governor, i want to talk about what milton said. he ran the covert weapons

program and he was interviewed by foreign policy magazine. he said if we start arming anyone in this enterprise, implicit is we own it once the assad regime falls. do you agree with that? do we own this war now? >> no, we don't own the war now. i don't think the iranians got into this because the president said. they were getting this this full blast and the iranians are a terrorist nation. hezbollah is a terrorist organization. those are our major enemies. this is an unbelievably difficult thing. i think israel does not want us to arm the rebels because they fear the huge influx of arms into this incredibly volatile region. i wouldn't agree we own this. we're stepping into something we ought to be prepared to fully

commit to. >> some of your fellow republicans are calling for a lot more than arms here. john mccain talking like he wants to go in himself and you have john kerry saying a political solution is increasingly unlikely. what are the chances, if any, of american boots stepping on the ground? >> i think they are nil. you want to keep all options to try to curtail russia and iran from going full boat. i think the fact we have is entered into has encouraged them to go in full boat. i think at tend of the day, i agree with howard, we don't necessarily own this but we are nervous as the peace talks start the rebels have no bargaining power. >> this is very complicated. this calls for thinking and not political rhetoric. i'm hoping that will go on on both sides. >> i appreciate your voices.

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investigates how much data former nsa contractor edward snowden took with him to china. facebook and microsoft are leading the way among the internet giants by releasing the scope of legal orders by nsa and other outlets. first off with you, are there plans for the u.s. government to bring charges against edward snowden and if they do what options do they have. >> reporter: nothing so far but we can expect the u.s. government to bring charges against edward snowden. among them violating the espionage act. that's the same thing bradley manning has been charged with just to give you a sense of the scope of charges he's facing. at this hour u.s. officials do not know where edward snowden is. he hasn't been seen or heard from in several days. there's a lot of debate today

about whether edward snowden is a traitor or a hero. you have members of congress saying he is a hero for disclosing the ways in which the u.s. government has obtained phone records and foreign internet records but on the other hand you have a number of people including john boehner calling him traitor saying he needs to be prosecuted and also some who have expressed concerns that these leaks could potentially harm national security. here is what attorney general eric holder had to say on that point earlier this week. take a listen. >> this case is still under investigation and i can assure you that we will hold accountable the person who is responsible for those extremely damaging leaks. >> reporter: and it is a debate that's spilling over internationally. today in hong kong there was a protest. people out in support of edward

snowden. this as u.s. officials try to track him down and determine if he has any contacts with china. alex. >> all right. very quickly. the companies we were talking about, facebook, microsoft. how are they reacting to this blow back? >> reporter: they are trying to tamp down user concerns that they are giving data to the government. facebook releasing information showing there were 18,000 to 19,000 requests for individual user accounts. that represents 1/1000th of user accounts. microsoft say they have gotten six to 7,000 requests. trying to tamp down this this applies to all user data. i expect we will see more internet companies release that type of data.

>> i think you are right. thanks so much. the white house announced it will arm the syrian rebels with small weapons and ammunition. with the civil war now two years in and over 90,000 dead, many people are saying it's too little too late. >> hezbollah and iran and russia have made this war unwinnable for whatever remains of the good guys in syria at least at this point in time. we're arriving at the nineth inning. we're arriving when the game has been change and the final analysis is while this has been a civil war, the worst of all has occurred here. the administration is tiptoeing into a war which it is destined to lose. >> secretary of state john kerry issued a statement saying that

syria's use of chemical weapons and the involvement of hezbollah threatens to put a political solution entirely out of reach. let's go to immigration. president clinton weighed in this week. >> i think in the end if the speaker's big decision will be what it always is. will he allow a bill to be brought to the floor of the house that does not have the support of a majority of his own caucus but would get a big bipartisan majority in the house. every time he's done that something good has happened. >> joining me now, usa today bureau susan page and perry bacon jr. who is political editor for the grio. all of this focus has been the gang of eight.

give me your spective there. >> we interviewed the judiciary chairman and he took a hard line on that question. he said the bill that gets to the house cannot pass dependent votes. the version that passes the house will be really different from the version that passes the senate and it really makes it more difficult to see the path to getting a bill that gets passed this year and signed by the president. >> do you, perry, think there's some coalition of house democrats and house republicans from blue states or moderate districts that could get a comprehensive bill through the house if speaker boehner gets this on the floor? >> probably is. there's 201 democrats in the house. there's probably 190 democrats for this bill. you could imagine you only need 30 republicans to vote for this bill to pass it. speaker boehner never wants to pass a bill that way.

president obama used his executive authority to enact the dream act. he decided to stop deporting young people who are children of illegal immigrants. the house had a vote about that last year and 220 members of the house voted to reverse that and start deporting people again. that means the house republicans aren't as opposed to the big immigration bill. they are opposed to small things. they are working with boehner working around them earlier in the year. the senate is not clear but it's challenging in the house to allow a democratic majority to pass a bill when so many republicans are concerned about it and opposed to the dream act passing. >> marco rubio is the really big name in these immigration talks. he's got strong prospects in the gop and so does chris christie.

that's a good move in 2013 but might that hurt him down the road looking at 2016? >> let's siay you were running for governor this year, that's a smart move. if he wanted to be nominate bid the republican party in 2016, not a good move. we have heard a lot of unhappiness about him going to stand with bill clinton. >> very quickquickly. i want to listen to sarah palin. here is part of that. >> the irs. it can't figure out how it managed to spend over $4 million on a training conference because it didn't keep its receipts.

really. you try that with the irs. >> this approach of joking through these issues. how will that play out and what is sarah palin's relevance in this faith and freedom conference? >> i think she continues to be a really popular figure with this part of the conservative spectrum. it's hard for me to see her running for president again. i don't think that's what she plans to do. there's a big republican field opening up but she continues to have some punch with these people and an effective speaker who are has used humor pretty effectively. >> are any of the questions that are getting answered by this kind of a conference? >> no. the rnc released a report saying the gop needs to expand out to

young voters and minorities. jokes another the irs will not bring any new voters to the table. the rnc said we need to change our party. nothing has happened. they are still resisting immigration reform. they are trying to pass something to limit abortions. it's not clear they have heard the message at least in the house and decided to move to the center in terms of their agenda. >> it's like they are preaching to the congregation. the candidates should be reaching out to the base. you talk about chris christie. it's strange how republicans are angry at man who proved he has some bipartisan credentials. he's doing a good job appealing to independents. they talked about their governor being a model for the party. people are flustered with him. he's paling around with barack

obama too much. he should have picked a more conservative person. he's one of the best presidential people they have. >> he's a real lightning rod. people always have an opinion about him. thank you so much. >> thank you. we are following some breaking news out of scotland. that's where a new york bound flight out of cairo has been diverted. british fighter jet escorted egypt air to the airport after a passenger found a letter that contained a threat. the plane has been on the tarmac for four hours while the plane is being checked. they are carrying 300 passengers. it was scheduled to arrive this afternoon about two hours from now. we're keeping a close eye on the developments and bring you more as we get them here. let's go to iran.

they have declared a new successor. he promised to help ease tensions with the west. more than 12 million iranians flocked the polling sites for this year's election. waging the fight against sexual assault in the military. up next, a leading advocate for women in uniform will tell us how she is fighting to end that abuse once and for all. is like hammering.

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both the house and senate took up military sexual assaults this week as congress debates its defense policy bills for the upcoming fiscal year. she had strong words for her colleagues. >> you do not have to take it from me or my colleagues who support this measure. take it from the victims who have said to us over and over

again that they do not report because they do not trust the chain of command. take it from the military leaders who just testified in front of us that they themselves say, quote, they don't trust us. >> joining me now is attorney susan burke who has sued robert gates and donald rumsfeld on behalf of 28 military rape survivors. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> do you think fair investigations are possible with the chain of command still in place? >> no. the reality is it's not operating properly. it's a dysfunctional judicial system because it does not have impartiality. rather than having people not connected to the victim and

perpetrator. it's very unfair to our service members. >> what about the other hand which happened. the house did approve a mandatory minimum sentence of two years for those convicted in military court among three or four other things. is that enough just saying you're going to go to jail if you get convicted? >> it's really not. the problem we're facing with this congress is it's a bit of a christmas tree. they will hang on various ornaments trying to fix it but they are leaving the foundational issue unresolved. i worry about a lot of taxpayer money going to things that isn't going to work because we don't have a functional judicial system. it's so important that everyone take a hard look at the issue and not simply accept the military's platitudes about good order and discipline. this is a decade's long problem dating back to tail hook in 1991.

>> i know you've spoken and represented many rape victims. what do they say is the real cause of what appears to be and feels like an epidemic? >> we see the rate of rape in the military continues to rise. rape tends to be a crime committed by serial predators. it's not that we have a significant number of predators. it's just the ones in the military are not being caught and locked up and so they have multiple victims. when you look at the data that the military itself has compiled it evidences a broken judicial system. they get to trial only about 150 cases yet their own data shows there are 26,000 instances of unwanted sexual contact. it's broken. >> absolutely. what about the case you're involved with right now. can you give us the background

of the naval academy case? >> there was a young female mid shipman and she went to a party, an off campus party at the football house. she became very intoxicated. she woke up the next morning still there. went back to the academy. she learned that three of the football players had raped her while incapacitated. she learned that through friends and through the men bragging in social media. the navy investigated but the superintendent shut it down in november of last year. he said we're not going to bring this forward. we're not going to prosecute these perpetrators. this is exactly the type of bias and conflict that you have when you put this power in the chain of command. the superintendent obviously, he's not trained lawyer. it's in a sense he's on the hook for running the academy well.

this type of incident doesn't reflect well on him. she shut it down and swept it under the rug. the victim approached me. we began to speak with them. she began to cooperate and we were able to get them to reconsider and it's now under investigation again. we're hopeful they will do the right thing but the sequence of events shows you this is not the right way to run a judicial system. >> thank you. artists are saving lives in song. that's next. we're here at the famous tapia brothers produce stand

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school. this effort is an effort to create a new generation of activists to join us through music to put pressure on political leaders. as you mentioned the g8 summit is this week. what we're doing is through music trying to bring people to this campaign. >> it's basically a way to publicize the campaign. is that how you're using music? >> music has always inspired action. protests songs over the years from civil rights to anti-apa anti-apartheid. we're putting a new twist on some of these classic protest songs. we've got top artists like usher and will i and and so many others who are putting new covers on these classic songs. i have a feeling you have a bunch of music fans who are viewing this show. we want them to go to one.org, check out the songs.

it doesn't cost any money. we ask them to bring their voice to this effort. >> talk about well known notable musicians. you have bono who co-founded the organization. here is what he said. >> the number of people living in back breaking, soul crushing poverty has declined from 43% of the world's population in 1990 to 33% by 2000 and then to 21% by 2010. >> now, those numbers would suggest good news but we know it's not all good news out there. what remains to be done? >> well, the good news behind those numbers is we have cut extreme poverty around the globe in half which is incredible but there's still half to go. we can virtually eliminate extreme poverty. my kids could go up in a world where that's eliminated only if

politicians are given the push to do the right thing. that's what we hope this music effort will help us accomplish. >> i love the name agitate. you have to get in there and make people listen and be uncomfortable knowing what they are singing for. where can people listen to this music? >> our website, one.org. there's no cost to download the music and join the effort to help create this change. it's not matter of whether we can end extreme poverty. it's a matter of if we will. >> thanks. good luck. topping today's ups and downs more young americans are choosing to go without credit cards. 16% of those age 18 to 29 don't have a credit card which is up for about 8% before the rescission. 57% say their financial situation will be better off at this time next year which is an 11% drop in optimism. americans are spending more

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hour. demonstrate straors are address number of issues including for president to close the military prison. in turkey protesters have decided to keep staging their sit in at the park in istanbul. that comes in spite of the offer to have a cord decide the fate of that land. some of the demonstrators have set up barricades near the u.s. embassy as they demonstrate against the prime minister. in tucson, arizona a man has been rescued from a raw sewage pipe where he was in there for three days. in maryland three people were hurt when a car drove right into this wendy's restaurant. police say the driver is in custody and will face charges. those are your fast five he headlin headlines. in south africa nelson mandela spending his eighth day in a hospital while well wishers

place cards and posters outside the hospital for tribute to him. good evening. let's get the latest on his condition. what do you know about that? >> reporter: good afternoon to you. we've heard from nelson mandela's grandson who said that he is recovering very well and looks good. that's a really, really positive assessment. after the last few days when we heard that nelson mandela was making steady progress. he is still in serious condition. there's lots of treatment we expect for nelson mandela. it's an impressive recovery after the very worrying few days. you'll remember a week ago he was rushed into this hospital. he was considered to be very serious but stable. now seems to be getting better

and better. really positive news. >> i'm ever the optimist. has anyone talked about releasing him from the hospital? >> reporter: we haven't heard anything about that but the family sources telling nbc news that at one point this week they would hope to have him come out of hospital. it goes without saying ta doctors would not release him from the hospital unless they are confidence it was the right thing to do. no official word on when he might be released from the hospital. you remember that some six months ago he was in the hospital for two weeks. he could be inside for a substantial period of time and just to say again he is still in a serious condition. he is still weak though doing well. >> certainly airing on the kied side of caution is a good thing.

secretary of state john kerry warning the use of chemical weapons threatens to put a political talk out of reach. >> hello. >> the white house has reported authorized small arms to the rebels but what secretary kerry is saying does he know there's little chance for a political settlement. is it off the table entirely? >> i don't think it's off the table entirely but you've seen in recent weeks as he's tried to move forward a second geneva concerns and t conference that the conditions may not be there. >> at this point in the war wouldn't the rebel forces need more than small arms to take down assad? >> i think the decision they made this week is very significant from a policy standpoint. it's been very engaged in the

political element. it's tried to keep the military element at arms length. it's now going to begin to resemble a proxy war like we've seen during the cold war. you have assad, russia, china, iran, hezbollah on one side. you have the opposition supported by countries in the region and supported by the west on the other side. obviously that's one of key decisions to be made going forward is how can you increase the capability and effectiveness of the syrian opposition without pushing escalating this to such an extent it spills over to a broader region. >> you mention russia. how much do you need unanimity because russia has been adamant about protecting the assad regime. how much do we need the russians on board to settle this? >> the russians have largely and effectively sidelined the united

nations. we haven't seen the international consensus in the context of syria as we did two years ago in the context of libya. the president will meet with putin coming up and there will be the situation of agreeing to disagree. russia sees the challenge in a different way than the united states does. >> new york times reported the president was dragged into this decision. we know he doesn't want to have going into a war in the middle east in his legacy. speak to that. >> he's hesitated to get deeply involved in this. there's a threshold. we're going to see greater indirect support, military support. i still don't think there's an appetite by the president supported by public opinion to see the united states as a

direct combatant. they've seen not only the issue of chemical weapons but what we have seen is the syrian regime get a second wind. they have achieved some new momentum. they are taking back territory. the opposition is on its heels. if the american policy is to see assad push from power then the united states has no power to step up its contribution. >> even if the white house is for sure that chemical weapons have been used, how sure can we be? >> the chemical weapon is the catalyst for this decision. every indication is the united states made this calculation weeks ago to provide some level of military support to the opposition. i think it's really more of a factor of the opposition has

lost ground, has lost momentum in recent weeks and as a result by trying to step up the military side of this because iran and hezbollah have increased their effort inside of hezbollah. this is more a reaction to reality's in the battlefield and perhaps that will create some new political leverage that may bring you back to a new opening for political settlement sometime weeks or months from now. >> is there a way to prevent some of these weapons from falling into the wrong hands, ie al qaeda? >> there's a process in place. there's no guarantee. that's part of the administration's hesitation. we saw weapons that flooded into libya are now in syria. that entered into the administration's calculation and probably is still why it's going to be cautious in the kinds of weapons it provides. >> many thanks.

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president obama was meeting with the president of china and why he is still in china. what is chinese intelligence doing with all of this? >> this whole thing begins with edward snowden. we've heard tough talk from leading lawmakers on both sides. do you think we'll see action that leads to some sort of a prosecution? >> i would assume that the government at some point does charge him with treason or whatever it they would charge him for doing. i'm one of the few democrats that think this guy is guilty of this. he's acknowledged what he's done. he's not revealed anything that the government didn't know. i frankly took a hard line on bradley manning. i take a hard line on this guy. when it comes to the security of this country we ought to prosecute people who do these things and we ought to throw the entire book of law at them.

this guy deserves what is coming to him. >> you heard what peter king was saying there. do you think he's in cohoots with china? >> no clue. maybe the chinese president will tell the president this week. i don't know. if he is that's even worse. that takes this guy's entire case and the sympathy many people will have for him and throws it out the window. >> susan, china? >> i don't think so. a lot of people made a big deal about him going to hong kong. we still have an extradition arrangement with hong kong. it wouldn't be hard to get him back at all. there maybe be a little conspiracy sboigoing on but we r expected to see this. i think they are waiting to file charges until they find out what else is out there. the guardian, his information came out of said they do have

more. they probably want to -- the government probably wants to get a better handle on that. >> you have some in the gop who think edward snowden or he thinks he's a hero. is there any cred to that. you're shaking your head? >> no. the shine wore off that apple when he talked about what he talked about but when you look at what he did, it's treason. there's no if, ands or buts. it raises a bigger question with over 1.4 million people having top clearance and a third of them being contractors, i'm concerned about that. there's some code within if you're serving the government but these are outside contractors and this guy proved that you could just blow off that contract that you signed. >> talk about that. 1.4 million people have access to top secret information. what's wrong with that picture?

>> i don't think we need that many people knowing or having that high of a clearance. i will say this. i'm a little bit disillusioned this some members of the press have said this guy has a ged. he didn't finish college. that's irrelevant. it doesn't matter what his education level is. it matters if he's treasonous. >> i agree with you up to a point. it matters if he gots through the contractor what kind of selection are they doing. how are they screening these people doing the work? >> i agree with you. think should revisit this. the congress will have to step up and write legislation on this because at the end of the day 1.4 million people arie looking at these records or can look and look at the president at any time. that is unsettling. >> how about the politics of all this because the latest poll

from time magazine shows people are seeing good and bad at what he did. is it smart to make this a political football, jimmy? >> i don't think we have a choice. choice. everything -- >> it's washington, right. >> it's washington. we have nothing to do better for god's sake. this is not a political opinion and not breaking down by party lines. republican s against this guy, democrats for him. rand paul, for instance. this is not a political problem to me. this is a security problem. i will never forget 9/11, i will never forget what happened on that day, and frankly, our government's job is to keep us safe first and foremost. exposing secrets denies that ability. >> you bring up 9/11. and susan, director robert mueller suggested that 9/11 might have been prevented had this p.r.i.s.m. program and all the phone surveillance programs

have been in place. is that plausible? >> i don't think we can go back and say what could have prevented 9/11. we have visited and revisited that issue many times. a lot of things could have been done differently and taken precautions going forward. whether it be airline security or p.r.i.s.m. or other things we may never know about. i'm a little cautious in taking what could have happened if we had p.r.i.s.m. during 9/11. he raises a very good point. we have increased our ability to fight terrorism and we need to keep vigilant in that. >> jimmy, this a tough situation right now, in part because of our relationship with china. the chinese media having a field day with the snowden story. does this hurt us at all in future discussions with the newly elected president, xi jing ping. >> i don't think so.

our relationship with china is a very tricky one. at the end of the day, the chi necessary need us and we need the chinese. i don't think it's a secret. then perhaps i'm exposing it. it's not a secret that we spy on the chinese and the chinese spy on us. >> top clearance, top security clearance for that? >> one of the 1.4 million. >> when i was a staffer, i had a security clearance, when i left, i lost it, and i'm fine with that. >> i guess it does take off a certain bit of the pressure. all right, you two. hold it up for the next break. only two to talk about. we'll talk about the firestorm or big threes or big twos worst of the week. coming up next. arking ticket... ♪ and she forgot to pay her credit card bill on time. good thing she's got the citi simplicity card.

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dipercio. we're losing one because of technical difficulties. >> a conversation about abortion again, and although some point, susan may agree or not on this. republicans will figure out something. we must stop talking about abortion, must stop legislating abortion. if they don't, they will keep losing elections. and the best, the u.s. senate. they are taking up a bill and hopefully they will pass an immigration bill and they will look very senatorial. >> best and worst? >> best week to the former president bill clinton. he still proves he is completely relevant. talking about 2016, whether it's syria or immigration. >> he's always relevant.

come on the. >> and he does it in such a great way. worst week to president obama, only because the syria conversation and decisions he has to make is a lose/lose situation, unfortunately. >> thank you very much. jimmy williams, susan dipercio. i'm out of here, we'll see you later. have a good one. all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can. ♪

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