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surveillance today. former bookies took the stand in colorful testimony against whitey bulger. what made him burst into laughter yesterday in court. developing news right now. colorado officials bringing people up to speed on the most destructive wildfire in colorado state history. so far, two people killed, more than 400 homes destroyed, and more than 40,000 people have been evacuated. some severe weather expected for the area. that could provide firefighters some much needed help this afternoon. that fire is now 30% contained, and people who voluntarily evacuated, many of them are now being allowed to return. miguel almaguer on the ground in colorado springs, colorado. miguel, what's happening right now out there? >> reporter: craig, as a matter of fact, in a few minutesory my shoulder, we'll be getting a

briefing, a news conference from fire officials. because there was cooler weather overnight and we saw rain yesterday afternoon, we're expecting containment, at 30% right now to actually rise. that is certainly good news for firefighters. might be able to see it out in colorado. beautiful day. approaching the low 80s right now. expecting a rise in humidity. a mixed bag weather wise. thunderstorms with lightning, lightning actually the reason that sparked a small fire yesterday. got much anticipated and much needed rain for firefighters on the ground. we expect those containment numbers to go up. this is the most destructive wildfire in colorado history. nearly 480 homes destroyed or damaged in the fire. a couple of days ago, grim news two bodies discovered. we don't expect the damage and tally to rise at all. firefighters reassessed the situation. the blaze not burning toward

anyone's home. as you mentioned, some 38,000 people evacuated. we expect more evacuation orders to be lifted. some lifted yesterday. certainly some progress on the ground, craig. >> miguel, quickly. any word at this point, about what caused this thing? >> right now, they are saying they do not believe this fire was started by mother nature. as to say they don't believe this fire was started by a lightning strike. they believe it was a human cause, they aren't sure if it was intentional at this point. an ve investigation is under way. gop leaders and social conservatives talking about faith, politics and talking about 2014 and 2016. former sarah palin blasted the obama administration over eve

eavesdropping and benghazi. >> using the least untruthful statement. now, where i come from, that's called a lie. yes, officials lied and government lied. and in benghazi, government lied and americans died. >> chris christie met with president clinton in chicago. >> if you want to get elected and re-elect, bipartisanship is imperative. >> president obama, in weekly address, avoided syria and the controversies dogging washington. instead, on father's day, he focused on fatherhood. >> i want to do what i can as president to encourage strong marriage and strong families. we should reform our child

support laws to get more men working and having engagement with their children. i have a campaign to encourage strong parenting and parenthood. now to syria word we're going to start arming the rebels, dominating the presidential agenda. the decision also sparking new debate in washington. let's bring in lauren fox from "u.s. news & world report," lou reyes. lauren, "the washington post" reporting that the decision to arm syrian rebels was not made this week "u.s. officials said that the determination to send weapons had been made weeks ago and that the chemical weapons finding provided fresh justification to act." why did the administration wait until now to go public? >> the administration wanted to make sure they had evidence to

move forward. they said chemical weapons were the red line. even though they had a strong feeling for a long time that chemical weapons had been used, waiting for confirmation to make sure that was the case, and also not a popular move among the american public. something they need to justify here. the use of sarin gas on 100 individuals gave them that. >> some were pushing stronger backing for the syrian rebels. this is senator john mccain. >> i applaud the president's decision, and i appreciate it, but the president of the united states had better understand that just supplying weapons will not change the equation on the ground. >> house speaker john boehner issued this statement. "it's long pastime to bring the opposition in syria.

it is our hope that he will strong strongly seek congress before acting. >> most of them say this is a necessary move. there is one other condition that made it important. hezbollah got involved in the fighting and tipped the military balance away from the rebels, toward the assad regime. this could move to a decisive outcome with assad in power. the united states wants a diplomatic negotiation. >> the american public doesn't seem to strongly support u.s. answer vengs or arms shipments to the syrian rebels. lauren alluded to this. this poll taken before the administration's announcement.

found 15% approve military action. 11% support arms, and 42% humanitarian aid, and 24% say that the u.s. shouldn't take any action. how can we act without public support? >> any way we look at this, this is quick sand. so much we don't know about the situation. only the president has the full facts about the situation. one thing really important to keep in mind, this conflict going on, not necessarily a fight for democracy this is their civil war, civil conflict. not at this point there is not justification for us going in. and we know this president want to know for getting us out of middle east, not further entangled. the public is okay with very

restrained, judicial approach. we are coming off iraq and afghanistan. and people are wear about us getting into that part of the world again. >> let's talk about the approach that the administration has suggested. syrian rebels say they need heavy weaponry, army piercing bullets, tanks, anti aircraft capability. we're ofg them small arms and ammunition. how much difference with expect that to make? >> not that big of a deal. no shortage of arms in syria. the country is blanketed. >> they they'd a no-fly zone. one important reason why the united states feels pressure to get involved, the roul in internal affairs since world war ii is if there is a that he to

world peace or humanitarian values, if the united states didn't do anything about this, think about what happened. say we didn't do anything about the ethnic cleansing in you can. if the natures doesn't do anything, nothing happens. we didn't do anything in rwanda, and we ended up with genocide. >> meeting with putin at the g-8 summit. one of sirnga strongest allies. what can the president do to win some support from the russians, or is that ship sail. >> in talking to members on capitol hill this week, that was pun of the agendas pushing for. if the president can do anything or saying in to russia to convince them out of this conflict. it would make a dramatic difference and tip the scale to the rebels.

in their military efforts here. although it will be very difficult. they don't want any kind of no-fly zone, they indicated any movement to arm rebels is going to be something they can't support. i think that ship has saled at this point. >> let's turn back to domestic matters. new developments in the nsa controversy. microsoft has released information on precisely what the government has been asking those companies. second half 2012, it received 9,000 questions for 19,000 accounts. microsoft said it received 6,000 to 7,000 requests that affected up to 22,000 individual accounts. >> in very broad strokes, our expectations are lou. we're seeing a generation divide.

the under 35, the millennials, the younger generation, they are cool with this. used to living voluntarily a lot of life on line. it's midlife and older that this is a problem, troubling, one of theening things be we looked at, there have been statements from this company, they did not gaye any information and then they gave the information as requested, these companies are private companies, not a government organization that owes us transportation. pursuing their own corporation goals with or without the government. we're seeing problems emerge. >> thank you to all of you, appreciate your time. >> thank you. the angelina jolie decision. the gene testing that revealed jolie's risk cannot be patented. more drama expect next week

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trial of the refuted boston gangter whitey bulger kicked off this weekend. jurors heard testimony, some of it quite graphic, about very violent moments in massachusetts history. those who pose threats or crossed bulger would be handcuffed to chairs, questioned, strangled, or shot even. some buried in south boston basements, later exhumed and reburied so new homeowners would

not find them. before the trial started, a certain journalist that the defense tried to keep out to no avail. joined by said reporter, kevin cullen with "the boston globe." co-author of "whitey bulger, america's most wanted gangster and the manhunt that brought him to justice." you exposed his allegedly corrupt relationship with the fbi. the defense said they might call you as a witness and therefore don't want you in court, covering the story on a daily basis. do you think you might be depos deposed, or something more personal? >> it's all person. if they are going to call me as a witness, they haven't done due diligence, so they don't know what i'm going to say. the first thing you ask in law school, you don't ask a question

if you don't know the answer. the idea that i could be a benefit to whitey bulger's defense is somewhat laughable. who knows? stranger things have happened. >> what was bulger's demeanor like this week in court? >> i actually described him today as wearing bad clothes and a blank expression for the first three days. i said he looked like an old guy waiting for a bus, showed no emotion until yesterday. an old bookie named dickey o'brien he used to shake down came in to testify. and dickey is 84. confined to a wheelwheelchair, has his fastball. when he told some of the old stories of the shakedown, whitey smiled and one time even chuckled. as testimony went on, he resumed his frowned. dickey talked about if you ended up on the wrong side of these guys, a very good chance that you would end up dead.

>> what do we know about whitey's health? you wrote he participated in lsd experiments to shorten a prison stay one time. >> i think it's legitimate. he has had post-lsd trauma in terms of nightmares, things like that. night terrors and shelly murphy, my co-author and colleague, one of the things we found out while researching the book, talking to kevin weeks, like tony soprano, whitey went to see a psychiatrist because his nightmares were so bad. and the harvard medical school train trained psychologist said no mas. what kevin was telling the psychiatrist unnerved the psychiatrist.

>> kevin, lots of gruesome details, some of which trickled out this week. many of the allege ed crimes to place decades ago. is there an emotional pull on the people of boston in rarz to this case? >> i think so. as i described this, craig, the new norm. the end, the final -- the final scene of a long, epic tale, and i think everybody wants to hear bulger. he has suggested, or his lawyer has suggested, that he will take the stand himself. but every week, i think we'll find more drama. yesterday almost light hearted in some respects with the old bookie stories. on monday, as you mentioned in the promo. joey monorano, who used to do murders with whitey, and this will be the first time these two

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walk into history. we mark a pivotal civil rights event by talking to the sister of one of those students, 50 years later. and this. >> but you can call it something else but not marriage. >> if you call it something other than meaning, you get to fight for 1,013 benefits individually. i'm not doing that. marriage or nothing. >> married and counting, the new york gay couple getting married in every state they can. we'll talk to that couple live about where their mission takes you next. [ female announcer ] what does the anti-aging power of olay total effects

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cannot be patented. the case got a lot of attention because angelina jolie announced that she underwent a preventative mastectomy after finding out she carried that particular gene. mike saks, of the huffington post, a good friend of the weekend show. what does that mean going forward? >> if a company finds a naturally occurring human gene, brca one, brca 2, you just find it, isolate it? it's not good enough. you must find a meth to extract it that can be patented. but naturally occurring, you can't monopolize the market on it. >> let's talk about california prop 8 which bans same-sex marriage in the state. how could the court rule on that particular case?

>> narrowly, and probably divided. so with the prop 8 case is, from the oral argument. looking as though justice anthony kennedy would be the dispositive vote. he was trying to figure out if he wanted to junk the case all together, say we shouldn't have taken it, no reason to be doing this, and leave it at that. let the lower court ruling stand. or they couldn't find the mer merits. if that happens, narrow ruling. no equal protection case ruling will happen. >> let's talk about the defense of marriage act. what are the possible outcomes in this particular case? what could be the potential implications? >> yeah, so there are several different ways this could take shape. the protection claus argument

that the federal government violates equal protection of gay and lesbian couples trying to get married. forbidden under the constitution. because of justice kennedy and his fear of going this route, i don't think they will actually go this route. instead, might have four liberals saying equal protection argument. but justice kennedy giving the narrowest opinion, saying that the state has narrow in defense of marriage laws. >> how real is the possibility as we all wait on baited breath on some landmark ruling that the high court will come down with some sort of procedural decision that barely makes ripples in the water. >> very likely. because justice anthony kennedy seems quite reluctant to have any sort of decision that will have an effect, that will mean same-sex marriage across the country. >> how could doma affect a same-sex couple who is married in all states that recognize

same-sex marriage? >> it will affect them, because at this point they can obtain federal benefit. a couple that's binational. an english man and american man. they don't have immigration status. they can't obtain a green card, working papers if doma falls, they will be able to obtain those things. on the bedside on sickness or death, bankruptcy ruling, any type of estate ruling that otherwise falls to a heterosexual couple falls to a same-sex marriage couple. >> thank you for the insight. thank you for breaking it down for us. >> thanks, craig. regardless how the court rules on same-sex marriage cases, one new york couple who has been together more than 25 years has taken the matter into their own hands. 25th anniversary of their relationship.

this couple decided to get married in of state where same-sex marriage is legal. their story was made into a short documentary called "married and counting." >> we will seek equal protection. if we have to get it from several states one at a time, that's what we'll do. pat and steven join me now. >> hi, guys. hi, craig. >> steven, first of all, how did this idea of getting married in all states where same-sex marriage is legal, how did it come about? >> i'm going to let him start that one this is pat. >> so initially, so celebrate 25 years together, we wanted to have a standard wedding. the major obstacle, new york, our home state wasn't going to have legalized same-sex marriage in time for our 25th anniversary. on a goof at a party, steven said we should just go

everywhere same-sex marriage is legal and get married across the country. >> and that's how it started? >> it was just a joke at a party. >> how many states are you married in now? >> nine, but only eight in the movie. we just got married in maryland. >> when was this? >> about three weeks ago. >> congratulations, congratulations. >> thank you. >> how hard has it been for you guys to go and get married in every state? what's the process itself been like? >> you know, it's been really joyous. most of the states we're talking about are along the eastern seaboard. we would pile friends in a van as you see in the movie. pile friends in a van to where we needed to get married and get married, almost guerilla fashion. >> some states we could do pa r paperwork online. sometimes we had to travel there, get the paperwork, and then go back later.

>> a clip from the film here. this is when your dad refused to come to the weddings. take a listen. i want to talk about it on the other side. >> do you want your father to come to our wedding? >> if i were a criminal, he would visit me in jail. but as a happy, free gay man, he won't come to my wedding. >> what was the reaction when you explained this idea to the rest of your family and friends? >> we got nothing but support from our loved ones. my father, with whom i have a good relationship. we're good friends, he simply doesn't believe in what we're doing and could not support it by attending any of the weddings, but we're good friends, and i have to accept his stance. >> pat, there are, of course, two cases that are pending before the high court right now, prop 8, defense of marriage act. how would the outcome affect the two of you directly?

>> the court will twine these as narrowly as they can. ultimately what we are seeking in this act of civil disobedience is recognition. and the government does finally recognize us on the federal level, and afford us all of the same rights as heterosexual marriage, we will be able to 1300 rights we didn't have before. >> have you thought about going to one of the states it's not allowed and staging a protest of some sort? >> i don't think that's really us. we are crusaders, but not all crusaders have their fists in the air. we are lovers, not haters and want to get our message across in a different way. >> before i let you go, this most recent abc news/"washington post" poll, 57% of americans support same-sex marriage. do you sense that there is a

general change in attitude toward same-sex marriage in this country? >> oh, you bet. we would tell our nieces and nephews, your uncle steven and i are getting married, great. >> truly. >> truly the battle is already won. >> the genie is out of the bottle. >> pat and steven, good luck. thank you so much for being with me on a saturday afternoon. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, craig. we flash back to one historic supreme court decision of unmistakable message from the high court, 30 years ago today. also, it's a prescription for global health. also our big idea. the bold, practical approach taking medicine to the most remote places on earth. have a good night. here you go. you, too.

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alabama governor george wallace stood at the door and defied a federal court order allowing the school to enroll two black students. >> my abilities, under the constitution of the united states. the constitution of the state of alabama and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace and dignity of this state and the individual freedoms of the citizens thereof, do hereby denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action by the central government. >> the film, "crisis" takes us through events leading to that famous standoff between deputy attorney general nicholas cknin nba ch. sharon malone, sister of vivian malone. >> good to be here. >> let's listen to a clip from

that film provided by drew associates. this is a brief to your sister on the government's plan. >> come out in front of foster auditorium, park here, go up these steps, and whatever meeting that's held with the governor will be held on the -- in this particular area, and you should dress as if you were going to church, for example, modestly, neatly, or like you're going to school the first day, and you should remember that this is a very dignified procedure and won't take very long. >> just looking at the expression on your sister's face there tells it all. what's going through her mind during that exchange? >> you know, craig, i think it was a very, very tense time for

her. you have ton, this was 1963, two weeks before this confrontation happens, we have the children's march in birmingham, where beau connor put firehouses and dogs on children. so i am sure she was quite tense. >> how was she recruited for this? or was she recruited? >> she was. you know the university of alabama was one of the first schools to desegregate under brown versus board of education, desegregated first in 1956, but the first student did not last three days. and that stood until -- for another seven years until 1963. many people had tried to desegregate the university of alabama and i think by june of '63, it was just time. >> what was the conversation like in your family to send one of their daughters to the

university of alabama, knowing governor wallace's reputation, that he would be there on those steps? what was that conversation like? >> i can only imagine what my parents must have thought during that time. my parents grew up in the rural south. i don't think it was a surprise in terms of what they might have encountered. but my parent, like many people in the state of alabama at that time, felt it had been enough. necessity had waited long enough. 1954, brown vs. board of education, and many schools had not desegregated. i think they thought if not now, when. >> another clip from the movie. talking about the future. >> negro has come a long ways, and still has a long way to go. i think that's quite evident because of the movements, protests, demonstrations, going on throughout the country now. you know, every time -- you

know, they are not willing to sit and wait, saying it's coming eventually. >> how far have we come, 50 years later. >> craig, you know, when you think about it, 50 years is the blink of an eye in historical terms. in 1963, my sister was simply fighting for getting a decent education in the state of alabama. here today, an african-american president and african-american attorney general. i don't think in their wildest dreams they could have anticipated we were here. >> you mentioned the african-american attorney general. we should mention you are married to attorney general eric holder. i have to ask you, your husband, of course, finds himself embroiled in a number of controversies right now. several calls for his resignation. any chance your husband steps down? >> you know what, craig? we come from very tough people, so if you can imagine, if my

sister could stand up 50 years ago to the governor of the state of alabama, i think my husband can stand up to a little criticism here in washington, d.c. >> dr. sharon malone, good to see you. >> thank you. time to flash back. flash back of another sort. to 1983. on this date, the u.s. supreme court reinforced its position on roe vs. wade. >> for the first time, the supreme court gave broad approval to abortion critics and struck down local efforts to restrict their operations. the leading case involved a clinic in akron, ohio. >> i think this has been a tremendous victory not only for akron, but across the nation. >> reporter: the court said states and cities may not require that abortions be done in hospitalized for women more than three months pregnant, nor impose waiting periods nor

inflexible cparental consent, o inform women about abortion hazards. they may be licensed and do tissue studies on aborted g eed fetuses. this adds up to one unmistakable message. abortion will continue to be a woman's constitutional right, unless there are changes made in the constitution. karl, nbc news, at the supreme court. >> while the decision was reaffirmed, abortion rights remain highly contested to this day. in fact, house republicans intend to consider a bill this week outlawing abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, except in cases of reported rape or incest. this comes on the heels of trent frank's controversial comment. >> before when my friends on the left side of the aisle tried to make rape and incest the

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say can even bring more efficient health care to the united states. eric bing, co-author of "pharmacy on a bicycle." and senior fellow and director of global health at the george w. bush institute. it is, in fact, a mouthful. good to have you. >> it's great to be here. >> this is a great idea. i want our viewers to hear more about it. you and your partner in this book lay out health care taken the last mile. sometimes literally. explain what the last mile is. >> many places in the world where people just aren't getting health care. they live in rural areas, they live in developing countries and it really is being able to get care to them in a way that's high quality, that they will use and is affordable. >> how does the bicycle fit into all of this? >> it fits in literally and metaphorically. often, if you can't -- the

patient can't come to the pharmacy, the pharmacy needs to go to the patient. that's putting a pharmacy on a boy. people are actually doing that. >> quitting medicine and health care to people in developing countries, it's not so much a health issue as business issue. explain. >> absolutely. book written with my co-author, also a business professor. i really look at health care. look at what we have in global health, we can get coca-cola all over the world. we can get cell phones. we can use those same innovative ways of getting health care to people and actually governments, organizations are doing that. >> give me an example. >> living goods in uganda trains local women, mike on entrepreneurs, that act like avon ladies, instead of beauty product, they sell health krar

product, teach people how to use them, make sure they get well and keep them engaged. >> talk about telemedicine. you are talking about how mobile phones are changing health care globally. what precisely is telemedicine? >> what telemedicine does, it allows a doctor or health care provider in one location to enter act with a patient in a much different location, in rural areas or even a different country. a number of organizations are actually using it to help people. for example, there is a -- a cardiac hospital in india, that is able to connect with hospitals in rural areas, even in africa to teach them how to do cardiac summery. surgery. >> who is paying for this? >> a for-profit organization, and what they do, they provide such good, efficient care, they are able to use their profits to actually provide care to the

poor. it's actually quite amazing. they provide care -- cardiac care for one-fifth it costs in the u.s. >> can any of the solutions are you talking about, can they apply here at home, in the united states? >> absolutely. quite interesting, one hospital i just talked about, building a hospital in the cayman islands, 20 minutes off the clothes of flori coast of florida. a lot of them are using mobile technology. what we're doing is pushing innovation, moving entrepreneurs. >> m.d. and ph.d.. big idea of the day, pharmacy on a bicycle. >> wwww.pharmacyonabicycle.com. >> thank you. breaking news. a live look right now at instanbul, where the government forced out protesters, just

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>> being part of the program has really changed me. >> helping thousands of young people change their community and themselves. i went to philly recently to see what graffiti has become in the city of brotherly love. breaking news in turkey. richard engel on the grown in istanbul. turkish riot police have cleared a park of protesters. political headlines, faith and freedom coalition meeting wraps up in d.c. traditional values the theme. and former alaska governor sarah palin was a hit. wasted no time zeroing in on the irs controversy. >> the irs. it can't figure out how it managed to spend over $4 million

in a training conference, because it didn't keep its receipts. really? you try that. with the irs. new details this afternoon from facebook and microsoft about their participation in the nsa surveillance plan. facebook says the government requested data from 18,000 to 19,000 user accounts in late 2012. a tiny percentage of facebook's 1 billion users. microsoft received requests for data from 32,000 users. both complied with the requests. and more than half of the united states senate failed to show up for a briefing by intelligence officials on the nsa surveillance controversy. the senate had a short day thursday and "many lawmakers were eager to take advantage of the short day and head back to

their home states for father's day weekend." hard to believe, but six months now since the shooting in newtown, connecticut, that left 20 children and six adults dead. gunned down in their classrooms. this week, newtown families went back to washington, d.c. for two reasons, to remember their loved ones and to continue to push for stricter gun legislation in this country. met with lawmakers like senator joe manchin and continued to work with, despite the fact that his gun proposal failed back in april. this woman's 6-year-old daughter was killed at sandy hook elementary. >> i'm incredibly grateful we're here and have some senators working incredibly hard to support us. and we're not going away. this mother's heart break that i carry, this life sentence that i have, no one should ever bear this burden, and i'm incredibly grateful for the people still

here fighting the good fight. >> 6-year-old son jesse luis also killed. and kim director of moms for gun sense. thanks to both of you for being with me. neil, it's food to see you again, again, on behalf of all of my colleagues and the country, our condolences. >> thank you. >> let's start with the journey that this last half year has taken you on? oh it seems like it was just yesterday that it happened. hard to believe it's been six months, and hard to belief nothing has been accomplished on a national level in six months. i will continue to push for change, for common-sense changes

that will help make a difference and make things changes, i want our schools, it will be making it a safer place for our children. >> you were in d.c. this week, actual until the video clip we just played there, sitting next to the mother of another victim. are you encouraged at all by what's happening in d.c.? any progress in any of the areas where you have been pushing reform? >> only thing we can see that was accomplished, a vote in april which failed. turned into a political game. i feel confident there will be another bill back in the senate. i feel confident that this time

the bill will pass. more than just a background check that need to change. mental health a big part of making the change effective and being able to identify people who are potential risk and threat. >> kim, what would you say has been your group's singular success? since the shooting? >> the biggest success, harnessing the power of mothers and fathers. the tragedy in newtown, we were shocked to discover the state of gun violence in this country. utt a shame it took such a tragedy to do that. we're here. we'll fight this, get awareness out about this issue, legislatively and also from a cultural perspective. >> a new initiative. trying to get video game companies not to enter into

agreements anymore with gun manufacturers. what are they? what are you trying to do about them? >> that's exactly what we're trying to do. bring awareness. let people know where you spend your money makes a difference. video game companies often get into licensing agreements with gunmakers to place their products in these video games. these video games, as we all know, are often played by videos and teens. this is a back door arrangement, and gun manufacturers are profiting. they are advertising their products with these games. we need this to stop. our report shows that video games that use made up names for weapons are just as popular and just as profitable. they don't need to make these deals. electronic arts has agreed to stop this practice. we want other video game makers to do the same.

>> neil, i know that jesse was your only child. >> right. >> and without him, you are calling tomorrow no father's day. what is that? how are you planning on commemorating that? >> well, every year we used to go to a car show by our home. antique car show at our historical society. something that jesse looked forward to doing. you would get in free if you were a father and a child. and jesse made that point. he would say jesse and daddy here. it's going to be a real hard day. i can't bring myself to go to that car show. i think i'll just take the day and reflect on all the memories we had together. >> in honor of father's day, the

group is trying to get some pretty famous fathers. >> what are you sporting? >> we are handing out these ties to congressmen all over the country, asking them to support gun sense. so far, senator schumer has agreed, senator blumenthal, senator muff fooe, representative thompson and representative king. it's important that our legislators know we're not going away. this issue is important to us. we vote, and it matters. we cannot let anymore fathers go through this anymore. >> thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> good luck, sir. up next, breaking news. brand new video of the turkish government clearing ani istanbu park. richard engel on the ground. football and medicaid.

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marcus lattimore, a standout at the university of south carolina who signed a four-year deal to play with the san francisco 49ers, his list of college sports accomplishments is a long one. here are a few highlights. ncaa freshman of the year. single game rushing record, also holds the record for touchdowns scored in a career, 41. probably would have been more, had it not been for the injury.

but also tackling -- tackling a new challenge. working with the south carolina medicaid program to encourage young adults to get checkups. marcus lattimore joins me live now. good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you. thank you for having me on. >> thank you for coming. professional athletes, all sorts of endorsements, working with sports gear. sports gear maker under armour. ads for the south carolina lottery as well. what was your first thought that you heard that medicaid was looking for a pitchman? >> you know what? i was excited and to tell you the truth, i was honored. many people don't know, that was my major in college. i majored in public health, and that's what i'm pursuing right now. >> what is your personal connection to this particular issue, besides the college major? >> you know, growing up in south

carolina, you just grow up eating unhealthy. we grow up eating southern food and it's very important you go to your doctor, you eat right, and you stay active. and my dream of playing professional football has been life long and i realize those were the things that i had to do to reach my goals. it's been, you know, very engraved in me. >> according to select health of south carolina, the group are you working with, kids between the ages of 3 and 21, really need to see the doctor once a year. why are you focusing on 17 to 21-year-olds specifically? what is your involvement in the program going to be? >> the 17 to 21-year-olds, i feel like that's the most important time. are you in high school or going to college, and, you know, a lot of things coming at you, and you really don't think about staying

active, and being able to eat right and going to see your doctor for well visits, it's so important for longevity in life and, you know, just making good habits for your future. for your kids and everything that comes at you. >> like you said, again, i'm from south carolina as well, and there are a lot of folks from the palmetto state that need to eat a lot better. while i have you here, i have to talk a little about football. the 49ers are planning to sit you out next season because of the knee injury. how is rehab coming? what is the chance you could see action in 2013-2014? >> rehab is going great. doing a lot of different things, a chance to work with socht best doctors, right here at stanford university. rehab going great. constitutional a big possibility i could be out there, but, i

mean, i'm just going to trust in, you know, the doctors here, trainers here, and, you know, see what happens. i know i'll get my shot. >> last question, really quickly. burns high school in duncan, south carolina, a long way from san francisco, how is living on the west coast so far? >> oh, man. it's different i can tell you that. real different. but 65, 70 degrees, sunny every day. i love that. >> in south carolina, 95, nothing but humaniidity. >> no humidity. i'm loving it, i love the players, coaches, and excited about the next part of the journey. >> good luck with the rehab, my friend. >> thank you. have a good one. coming up, graffiti for good. a program that started as the way to start graffiti, it's the

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hey, there she is. >> reporter: buildings and bridges became places for peace and equality. >> it's a catalyst for social equality in a real way. >> reporter: mural arts program has connected student with teachers and world-renowned artists to paint more than 3,800 murals city wide. >> we're using mosaic, ceramic, light, technology, photographers and video. we grid the wall, part of it is stretched on the wall, part on parachute cloth. >> this a tribute to filly's favorite sons, the roots. >> one of the greatest moments of our career. >> reporter: what started as an innovative way to start as street can artists, is open to children as young as nine and old as 22.

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breaking news now. new images of riot police firing teargas on hundreds of protesters, gathered in gezi park in istanbul, turkey. hours after an ultimatum from the prime minister. protesters vow to keep up demonstrations against a planned demolition of a public park there. richard engel on the ground from istanbul. what's the scene like there now? >> reporter: for the last two weeks, these protests have been a thorn in the side of the turkish government. they have tried to disperse the protesters, protesters always come back. sth time, riot police came in to try and end this movement, once and for all in a quite organized, rapid manner. a couple of hours ago, riot

police backed up with sanitation workers, fire trucks, first started firing water canons to clear out the square and then went into the park, gezi park, part of the square where i am right now, and in the park as we speak, trying to remove the debris and tents protesters had set up. you can see some of the workers on the ground, wearing white jackets, wearing helmets and dismantling step by step this park. keep going and pan over, you can see it is almost now completely empty. taksim square filled with riot police, stragglers, many different vehicles. the large number of protesters that had been here are pretty much gone. go all the way to the back of the square, you can he see police are sealing off what is

roughly a round public space in istanbul. the largest open area in the city. one of the main entrances, a choke point, there are what looks like a couple of thousands of demonstrators trying to get in, but being held back by a line of police and by that vehicle there, the water canon. every so often, the water canon will fire into the large crowd of people trying to stream into the square and take it back. so far, not successful and kept back. this is to a degree, the eye of the storm, because some of the smaller side streets around here, there have been clashes, have been exchanges of stones being thrown. teargas fired by police. the prime minister ordered this operation. obviously, a controversial move. this country divided. many people with the prime minister, want to see this area cleared and law and order and regular traffic restored. but other people, using this as an opportunity to take a stand against prime minister erdogan.

many opposition members say he has grown too authoritarian. the prime minister plans his response tomorrow, he is planning on holding mass demonstrations, including here in istanbul of his supporters, and he expects that will be his way to show that the operation here is popular and that he still holds the majority of people in this country and by the way, to make sure people come to those demonstrations tomorrow, the prime minister, his party, municipal officials, offering free tpgs, ferries, buses, to make sure the crowds are big. >> richard, i know you are in turkey, but i want to talk to you about syria quickly and the administration's decision to provide rebels with small arms assistance. many rebel groups have been asking for armor piercing bullets, tanks, weaponry that

will help bring down aircraft and we'll give them small arms and ammunition. how much of a difference is that really going to make on the ground in syria? ith not going to make much of a difference, frankly. i spoke with the leader of the free syrian army, and he repeated emphatically what they need is game-changing kind of weapons, not just more guns and more ammunition, because that could lead to an escalation in kind and lead to more deaths. if they have more bullets and guns, hezbollah, russia, iran, the iraqi militias will provide that kind of weaponry and you could see an escalation. what he said, they need one of two things. either anti tank weapons and anti aircraft weapons, and he said the united states has been reluctant to give that to the free syrian army, worried they could get into the wrong hands, alternatively, he said how about

a no-fly zone, and we will take on the syrian regime with what we have right now. >> richard engel in istanbul, turkey. thank you. stay safe. numbers are alarming, 160,000 kids miss school every day because they are afraid of being attacked or intimidated. 1 in 5 kids are being bullied. one town in wisconsin started issuing $114 tickets to parent who fail to reprimand their children for bullying. called the parent liability ordinance. second offense will cost the bully's parents $177. with me now, winona's police department. good to see you, sergeant. >> thank you for having me on the show.

>> how does it work? >> well, right now, with this ordinance, we're going after bullying, cyberbullying. we have a parental liability to that, and we also go after those who retaliate toward those that report these violations. >> and how did you -- how did you come up with this? how long did that take? >> i started working on it, mainly researching it, that took probably about a year and with the help of my police chief, walter estrenga and city attorney william cole, we had to work through this with our city and that lasted about another year, we had special committees on it, and eventually in may, we were able to get this passed. >> what's been the reaction so far there in the town? >> u.s. been really, really good. constantly getting e-mails and

phone calls from parent, from people that were wishing they had this when they grew up. in their various cities, and phone calls are not only from around the nation, they are calls from other country as well. wie gotten a lot of support on it. this is a -- a hot-button type ordinance, because of the fact that we're going after the bullies. not just in the school, but city wide. and we also have the parental liability. i thought this would be a good ordinance, if there ever was one, to put some blame on the parents, if need be, and we would only be using this if we can show probable cause that the parents are not doing something after they have been notified that their kid is doing something wrong. it's another type of violation we can use in our schools and city. >> we know more than 1 in 3 kids has been bullied online. does this particular ordinance

cover social media as well? >> it does. the great thing about this is it covers both social media and communications on the telephone and on the computers. within jurisdiction of monona, where we work, and that's our biggest problem with bullying today, is, you know, become in the day, we would only have to endure it of those that did, the bullying for about eight hours and then you felt safe when you were at home. with the social media, it's a 24/7 thing, u.it's a permanent thing. a kid doesn't even have to look at another kid and put something out on the internet. a much broader audience than with kids in the hallway at the time this happened or on the schoolyard. >> have you had to issue any citations yet? >> no. we just got this passed like i said, and now our school year is done with. >> okay.

>> it doesn't mean we wouldn't be doing something in the summer, because this is a city-wide ordinance, but in all likelihood, if we had to issue citations it would probably be during the school year. >> detective, keep us posted, sir. >> i will. thank you for having me and putting this on the media. let's get to the brain trust now. this is generally that part of the saturday afternoon where we bring in guests to talk about a variety of different things. we have political analyst and contributor at the grio.com and bob franken is here, and amy holmes, an anchor. >> thank you for having me. >> so spirited. i love it. >> i feel like i'm being shunned. >> we have no travel budget here. >> here at detention hall. >> this is a story that caught our eye from the huffington post. i think you have seen this as well.

danielle powell, close to getting her bachelor's degree. kicked out of her university for being gay in 2012 and says the only way her school will transfer her credits to another school is if she pays $6,300. grace christian is the school. they have a student conduct code that bans sexual activity outside of marriage. the school stands by its policy. >> i think jesus needs new pr. we need to get to a point where we aren't discriminating against gay people because of who they love. and this student started this institution as a christian and later fell in love with a woman and she shouldn't be kicked out and then not given her transcripts when she is trying to just moe ve on her life.

>> i want to throw a statement up from the school. the school's president said in a statement friday "while we are under no legal obligation to do so, from the very beginning, we have been and remain willing to provide transcripts and transfer the student's credits. grace university run on biblical principals, therefore, we do not employee collection agencies or take legal action, nor do we report to credit agencies. our policy is to notify the student of the debt and we believe it is up to the student to uphold his or her christian obligations. we should also note a petition to have the school forgive powell's debt. about 34,000 signatures so far. this petition happened after video of powell proposing to her girlfriend was posted on youtube. the couple is now married. what is your take here, bob? is the school right? >> well, first of all, this whole issue of the school apparently is recognizing the pr problems here, but this whole issue is really rooted in the

fact that universities, if they get federal aid, must comply with the civil rights act. the civil rights act doesn't cover gays, gay rights are not considered sil rights. only in recent times, has that become a concept people are beginning embrace. >> always interested on your take on social media amy holmes. a social issue. what say you? >> indeed it is. i have two minds. first of all this is a private university. they had a very clear code of conduct for all students. as you mentioned, no sex outside of marriage, to me doesn't sound like very much fun in college, but they made their own choice to sign a contract by mutual agreement to abide by these values and principles and presumably no one forced danielle to go to this university. on the other hand, i don't want to get too theological about it. because i'm not too religious. there is such a thing as

christian charity. it seems that both of them can part amicably and she can move on with her life and grace university can move on with theirs. >> at some point, they would probably be someone who comes forward and says here is a check. >> i would imagine so. >> if it hasn't happened already. >> let's pivot. i want to talk about something we like to talk about here. hilary clinton, joining her husband on thursday. she captured the room when she talked about the role of women. take a listen. >> when women participate in the economy, everyone benefits. this also should be a no brainer. when women participate in peace making and peace keeping, we are all safer and more security secure. and when women participate in politics, the effect ripples out through society. >> does she look and sound like

a candidate? >> yes. she is running for president, i'll make a bet on that right now. maybe $10. i can afford $10. she's running for president. who better to speak to those issues that are impacting american families than an out feminist. talking about the war on women all the time. there is an attack on our rights. and i'm looking to hillary to speak to those issues. >> bock, when you saw her this week in chicago, did you think that was a president in training or what? >> well, i think both of them were, i mean, to me, the head line of this conference is not the appearance by hillary clinton much she's after all married to the guy running it, but you couldn't say that about chris christie and there you had them, he and mr. bill sitting there and they had like a 40-minute conversation about things and clearly get along. it could be a very interesting presidential race in a few years

if both of them run. >> amy, that particular scene was quite bizarre if you think about it. >> bill clinton suggested for christie to hang out with him was hanging out with a leper, very interesting when you think about extremities falling off when it comes to bill clinton. >> oh! >> that will be in every ad against chris christie. >> and right behind that, him walking the jersey shore with president obama. quick break. we'll talk about assistance going to the rebels in syria. will it do anything to tip the balance of power on the battlefield? brain tres trust, after this. ? yeah. ♪ [ panting ] uh... after you. ♪ [ sighs ] [ male announcer ] it's all in how you get there. the srx, from cadillac. awarded best interior design of any luxury brand.

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to meet with g8 leaders. how will the plan to provide small arms to the syrian opposition be received at the g8? >> a lot of people are very concerned about doing this, including the president. this is such a morass. a long-time friend of mine, robin wright, written a piece for time magnificent sdwle"tima. this is a battle by proxy between hezbollah and al qaeda. the weaponry, whatever you provide, may end up in the hand that are sworn enemies of the united states. >> let's talk about the weaponry for a second. a lot of people the past few days talk about how this is essentially the united states giving a bunch of knifes to go fight in a gun fight. >> that's right. and there is a lot of confusion over this inventory lust would be. are we talking about night vision goggles?

minor things. what i really think this is about is about the president's credibility. he set out a red line, if chemical weapons were used. i think the president is usidoi the bare minimum. >> how real is the threat that the president and the administration will be dragged into a prolonged quagmire? >> i don't think it will be prolonged. he did say we had a red line, and it's been crossed. we need checks and balances when these situations in foreign policy come up and there is owe personal for prolonged conflict. >> what more could congress have done? >> if we get to a point where there is a prolonged conflict, they have a duty to pass legislation, authorizing that conflict. >> but the president would have

to come to congress to ask for that authorization, and the idea of a no-fly zone. i want to make everyone aware what that requires. that means we would have to enforce it. our planes have to shoot down assad's planes. >> and approval by the security council. go ahead, bob. >> i was going to talk about the no-fly zone, the next step when this doesn't work. no i said when, not if. a no-fly zone, successful in iraq, would not be as successful here. syria has a very sophisticated air defense system. we could have some casualties. >> the fact that russia continues to be a thorn in the diplomatic side, military side, in this particular instance, any chance this is resolved diplomatically at the g8 or after? >> there is a sideline meeting between vladmir putin and the president at the g8 and subsequent get togethers.

one can only hope there is some sort of movement. but this is getting no the point where really it's beyond the point of no return. >> up next. a quick break, when we come back, we crown this week's biggest brain. a tremendous biggest honor on cable news on a saturday afternoon between the hours of 3:00 and 4:00. ♪ [ male announcer ] moving object detection. ♪ blind spot warning. ♪ lane departure warning. safety, down to an art. the nissan altima with safety shield technologies. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art.

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senator carl levin. senator, you have betrayed me and all other survivors of sexual violence. this week, you took out the essential provision in senator gillibrand's bill, the military injustice act that would move sexual assault outside of the chain of command. you blocked this provision and we demand answers. senator, why have you taken the side of the rapists? there is plenty of evidence that shows that the status quo is unacceptable and victims are revictimized by a process that sweeps the rapes under the rug and refuses to hold the rapists accountable for their crimes. senator, rape is a crime. it is illegal. this is not about someone being too sensitive or being harassed. this is about an act of violence that inside and outside the military should be dealt with in a serious manner. as senator gillibrand has said, when a victim of sexual violence

is forced to salute her attacker, clearly our system is broken. senator, what have you, what you have done is outrageous and unacceptable. you have put yourself squarely on the side of the rapists. you have picked a side. are you sure you want to stay there? >> i know that was tough. >> a little bit tough. it is important and i wanted to say it. >> we should note here senator gillibrand says that she is not going to stop the fight. this is something she is going to continue to push. what do you think is behind senator levin's reluctance? >> patriarchy and mysogyny. i think that too often we are not holding the rapist ts accountable. any time you're doing something to not hold them accountable, you're on their side and that's not where he should be. >> bob, you know, i want to get your take on this as well. this is something that has plagued the military for some time now and it is a problem

that quite frankly, not only has it not gotten better, it has gotten worse. >> to me what is so ludicrous about this, there were so many years of cater walling over what would happen when people who were openly homosexual were in the military and it turns out the big problem is by the heterosexuals. this is a growing problem. the military is not able to handle this. by the way i did want to point out as the father of a daughter, this is something that causes me to strongly support what we just heard. and if you don't mind, i'll do a little father's day shout out to my daughter jessica. she is a great kid and she is proof that the acorn can fall far from the tree so there's hope. >> we're going to leave it there on this father's day eve. a big thanks to you. a big thanks to amy holmes as well and a really big thanks to our biggest brain from the grio.com. tomorrow at 3:00 eastern, we follow "meet the press."

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