president obama back in berlin but five years later the cheers have turned to jeerz. >> the head of the nsa has a question for his critics. did you foil 50 different terror plots. they don't want special treatment, they want equal treatment. today the pentagon announces a plan to put women in combat. >> immigration reform is a del rat dance and now a top republican is ready to tango with his own party. >> there is nothing delicate about the debate happening in the house this morning banning abortions at 20 weeks. i've got a message for my fellow pro-lifers, we've got to change this conversation.

the g-8 is over and now president obama is in germany ahead of tomorrow's anticipated speech at berlin. when he was there as candidate obama in 2008, he drew a crowd of 200,000. this time his popularity across europe is 11 points lower. its most recent hit was the revelation of nsa surveillance programs. let's get right to it with nbc news whout correspondent peter alexander. peter, what's the expectation for the president's speech tomorrow? >> reporter: well, i see you made note of the numbers there. that was a remarkable speech when he was then senator obama and everybody was celebrating that he was the fact that he was the non-bush in that region. there are still pockets of obama mania. that time around there were 200,000 people as you noted. this time at the invitation of the german government that the white house insists is organizing tomorrow's event, it's expected to be invited guests only. the number, according to the white house, will be in the

thousands, certainly not the hundreds of thousands like we saw back at that time. now, this obviously comes almost 50 years to the day after the ich bin ein berliner speech by john f. kennedy. when that speech took place, obviously that was the height of the cold war. when obama was there in 2008, the weekly magazine celebrated him as a superstar. this time around the headline says "the lost friend" where you see the president, president obama, in the shadow of jfk. obviously there has been some disappointment as noted by one regional expert there, that now people in that region that president obama is not the all powerful, but they do insist and most polls show that he's still a fairly popular figure in that region despite some of the increased frustrations over the spying, the nsa, internet revelations about the ability to spy on internet communications of foreigners, also the fact guantanamo hasn't been shut down and some of the other issues

many people were hoping president obama perhaps alone would be able to resolve. >> peter, your german is impeccable, congrats. >> reporter: thank you. >> thanks for your time. as we mentioned, the president's approval rating abroad and here at home is being hit by the no longer secret surveillance programs. the nation is split on the program as a means to fight terrorism. 54% assume that the government has already collected data about their own personal communications. president obama tried to set the record straight about the program's use on the "charlie rose show." >> if you are a u.s. person, the nsa cannot listen to your telephone calls and the nsa cannot target your e-mails. >> and have not? >> they cannot and have not. >> should this be transparent in some way? >> it is transparent. that's why we set up the fisa court. some people say obama was this

raving liberal before and now he's dick cheney. dick cheney says yeah, he took it all lock, stock and barrel. my concern has always been not that we shouldn't do intelligence gathering to prevent terrorism, but rather are we setting up a systems of checks and balances. so on this telephone program, you've got a federal court with independent federal judges overseeing the entire program and you've got congress overseeing the program. >> after several closed door briefings today on capitol hill, the man who runs the nsa answered congressional questions during a public hearing. >> the documents that have been released so far show the rigorous oversight and compliance our government uses to balance security with civil liberties and privacy. >> is the nsa on private companies' servers as defined under these two programs? >> we are not. >> is the nsa have the ability

to listen to americans' phone calls or read their e-mails under these two programs? >> no, we do not have that authority. nsa may not target the phone calls or e-mails of any u.s. person anywhere in the world without individualized court orders. >> politico's josh gerstein joins us. josh, the administration is heavily promoting this charlie rose interview as if to say look at us, here we are talking, being all transparent and stuff. but is that interview in which president obama presumably only answered questions he wanted to combined with the congressional hearing today, is that going to satisfy folks like, say, bernie sanders of vermont who still think that this program is a dangerous one? >> i don't think it's going to satisfy the most strenuous of the critics by any means. i think the basic problem here

is that the white house is now asking people to trust them when just a few weeks ago, the white house didn't want to trust the public with the information that this program is going on so there's kind of a credibility gap here that some of the members at this hearing today pointed out. it's just difficult for the president to say he welcomes this debate when as of two weeks ago this was a top-secret program that he insisted had to be kept under raps. >> josh, in that sound that we played, you heard the question what about transparency and the president answered, well, we have the fisa court. we seems to be confusing transparency with court oversight. the oversight, i think, is good, whether it's individualized is actually open to significant debate when you look at the provisions of the patriot act being used and the one big warrant that we have seen. having said that, fisa is a secret court and supposed to be a secret court and we all know that. are we pretty far away from a good and deep public debate that has been so promoted that even

the president's defense tries to invoke a secret court for transparency? >> well, i think we're starting to have that debate. there were a lot of facts and figures brought out at this hearing today but there's no question as of a couple of weeks ago we didn't have the basic information. now the basic information is starting to come out. we're starting to see more of the context of what the supposed safeguards are. it was pointed out the fisa order that came out tells the government what they can and can't do with that data and we still don't know what that says. there were a lot of complaints about selective leaks. some of the officials wish maybe mr. snowden had leaked more information. >> to that point the nsa and related agencies are going to be declassifying to try to make the case that, hey, we have done good things for you, this has worked in your favor because americans don't know how it has helped them, they only know the sort of creepy looking big brother thing that seems to be looking in on their phone calls. nsa director alexander said these programs have foiled 50

terror plots since 9/11. he's going to brief congress on them more tomorrow. and today fbi deputy director shawn joyce detailed two of them. let's hear a little of that. we try to tell the people what they're saying and we still can't do it. >> i smell a speconspiracy. >> this is a problem for the deep state. they want to tell us what they're doing for us and have this credibility gap. can they tell enough of what's going on in the past to get over that credibility gap? >> i think they can with some people but i'm not sure with all. even today they were sort of smushing together two different programs. one that looks at the data on the internet from people that are overseas, foreigners, and the other this call tracking database. when we got down to the nuts and bolts of the call tracking it turns out fewer than ten terrorist plots were averted

because of this or it helped break them up but wasn't essential. it just gets very, very murky when you get into certain cases about whether this was essential to averting that potential attack. >> josh, i want to switch gears for a second and ask you how much of a pall did syria cast over the conversations between president obama and president putin? looking at the body language of president obama at the beginning of that press conference, we don't have it here, but when the president puts his hand on his face, he's sitting in the chair and hunched over, to me it brings me back to when israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu was lecturing the president in the oval office and he didn't take too kindly to that. what are we to take of what happened yesterday during that press conference? >> i think it's been very difficult for the white house to deal with this. this syria thing has been a protracted problem. i don't know if you'd call it a nightmare but it's been a nagging, nagging issue for a long time. one of the major sticking points is the way the russians are behaving.

there's also a lot of other reasons why the u.s. isn't particularly happy with putin at the moment having to do with the issues in his own country. so there's no question this is one of the most difficult relationships for the president to manage. he seemed more ill at ease with putin than he had a with jinping a week or two ago. >> josh, thanks. this afternoon a major moment for women in the military. we've got details and a spin on fwhen combat as "the cycle" rolls on for tuesday, june 18th. i am an american success story. i'm a teacher. i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer. and i shop at walmart. truth is, over sixty percent of america shops at walmart every month. i find what i need, at a great price. and the money i save goes to important things. braces for my daughter. a little something for my son's college fund. when people look at me, i hope they see someone building a better life.

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right now, the pentagon is presenting its plans to bring women for the first time into combat roles, including elite special operations forces. training for thousands of positions including those with the army rangers and even the navy s.e.a.l.s will begin in 2015. it will be some time before we actually see women assigned to the front lines, but still this is an important step toward that end. another important point, the pentagon promises no special treatment and no lowering of physical standards for women. let's face it, some of the strongest people i know are women. let's spin on this. i'm just going to say it's about damn time. what the pentagon is doing is making official what is really happening in practice. women are 14% of the armed forces. women are already flying in combat missions in the army, the navy, the air force. and, you know, we already have a woman combat veteran serving in congress, congresswoman debbie -- tammy duckworth of

illinois. she lost both her legs and seriously injured her arm in iraq in 2004. and i should also point out we have seen 150 women killed in combat in iraq and afghanistan. but i say again, it's about time. especially if women -- if women want to serve in those roles, then why shouldn't they? >> i totally agree. i think all americans who raise their hand and say i want to sacrifice, i want to risk my life, i want to be part of the cause, should be able to do it given they can meet the physical standards which are not changing for women so that's an important point. americans agree overwhelmingly that we should allow women into combat and these numbers cross the country, men and women agree, democrats and republicans agree, which is kind of a weird thing for democrats and republicans to agree on anything, but they definitely agree on this. one of the big questions that i've seen looking through military conversations about this is people saying will the missions be compromised? we now understand that a woman

would be a greater target for an army. to capture a woman would hurt us even more. will the soldiers will willing to protect that woman even more so will that compromise the mission and they have debriefed male and female soldiers about this and they have said no, these missions are not compromised. so if we have a situation where we can do -- where they can do the military tasks and we as a group can perform the military tasks, then we should do them and shouldn't be worrying about where are they going to be defecating when they're stuck in a humvee together in the middle of kabul. such silly issues. >> it's not sill you and i've done a lot of research and talked to a lot of men and women in these positions. look, i've always felt that these kind of political identity projects in the military should be left to military leaders, whether that was women serving in combat, the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. i am fine to leave that in the hands of the people who know exactly how this is going to

affect the unity of the corps and how that should be ruled out. in fact i was happy to let the military decide how they were going to handle sexual assault cases until it proved clear they could not do that effectively themselves. so i'm fine. if military leadership looks at all of the factors and it is complicated, the sexual politics between men and women is a real thing. and i've talked to a lot of military folks, men and women, who have enumerated a number of reasons why this might be problematic. if we can eliminate all of those concerns and military leadership decides we can do this and in fact this would be good for us, i'm all for it. but you can't just say i want this to happen so it should. and we very much like women and men to be equal. they're not, they're different. so i think we need to go through step by step in a very careful, thoughtful way, to figure out exactly what kind of

ramifications, sexual assault being one of them, this is actually going to bring about. >> and you're raising a skepticism that i think has a place in this debate. on a serious point, i know that after yesterday when it was just jonathan toure and myself. >> man show. >> i called it the man show repeatedly. >> and it was different. >> not only was it different and i don't mean to bring this up for the first time on tv, but there was talk about whether it should be just an all male army going forward and today should we let an woman into the army. there were tense discussions but i for one think that as a woman, you are as strong -- well, you're stronger than some for sure. >> no such discussions were had. >> for people who don't know what i'm doing right now and then i'll get to my serious comment. this is what toure does in meetings, the hand will come up and stay up an awkwardly long time. we love that you do it. >> he actually means it affectionately as well. >> i think he read about it in a

business management class. >> wow. >> keep your hand up and people will have to listen to you. putting that aside -- >> here's the topic and we are way over there off the road. >> i did bring some coverage of when west point first let women in, which was 1976, not of course for combat at the time. but i do think we can learn from the history because i think there was a lot of skepticism then, some of which may have come from the right place but my belief is over time it proved wrong. the times reported that sex barrier falls as women enter air force academy, showing over 100 women who were going to go in. there were a lot of concerns at the time of what that would do. west point, although it has had problems in the area of sexual assault and mistreatment, but i think west point is a stronger institution for our military having had women there for a long time and i don't think the doom's day comments proved true. one of them i want to read was from that time.

may, 1976, when this was a hot issue and general william westmoreland said, quote, maybe you can find one woman in 10,000 who could lead in combat but she would be a freak. we're not running the military academy for freaks. he also said they're asking women to do impossible things. i don't believe women can carry a pack, live in a foxhole or go a week without taking a bath. so it's interesting, because in some sense we've come a long way. in another, some of those arguments are familiar. i take your point that if we're going to do this, we have to set a standard. >> it's not a doom's day thing but there are legitimate questions we have to ask. this is an exclusive club. just because i want to go and bow a quarterback for the 49ers doesn't mean i can. it's an exclusive club and we need to make sure that the people that we're putting in these very tough jobs are the absolute best for them. if they're women, awesome. >> but if you could be a quarterback for the 49ers, if you could make those throws, then you should have the option to try for the job. >> it depends on what's best for

the team. >> to say the average woman is not as strong as the average man is really not the point here. >> i didn't say that nor am i talking about the qualifications. >> this is a self-selecting group. >> it's what is best for the team. >> we're talking about a minor sliver of women who would be able to even be in the conversation. if they volunteer and say -- >> it's not a question of ability, it's whether it's good for the team. >> and speaking of the team, i have just gotten a text from someone who is close to someone who is a part of this elite -- >> this is very deep throat. someone who's close to someone. >> an elite team who has said that these folks they talked to said if women can hold their own, they don't care whether women are serving with them. so i take your point -- >> that's not how everyone feels. >> not everyone, but i'm trying to give the other side of what you're saying. >> look, if they can do it, that's only half -- that's only half the story. >> with the pentagon considering new guidelines for women in combat, would you support your

sisters or daughters' decision to take on a combat role? ed says i would support her but i wouldn't like it. meanwhile my buddy, alicia knight, says i don't want any of my children going to be warriors, but if that was their choice, then i would support them. like us on facebook so you can weigh in. mark your calendar, former cyclist steve kornacki -- >> what? i know him. >> is doing a google plus hangout on air tomorrow on marriage equality. >> oh, wow. up next, guess who may bow stalling progress on immigration reform, and it's not who you probably expect. more "cycle" straight ahead. >> it's ar if the. is like hammering.

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this afternoon the senate is voting on amendments related to the gang of eight's immigration

bill. they include issues like whether to build a 700-mile border fence that congress approved but never followed through on. while immigration appears to be the one policy proposal that actually has a chance in this divided congress, political pitfalls remain. a protest broke out during the markup of a house judiciary bill that would allow states to have their own immigration laws. members of the senate are feeling the heat too. marco rubio has been forced into a delicate dance, supporting legislation he co-authored while threatening to walk away from it if certain demands aren't met. now rand paul is getting in on the act as well. he's set to introduce a number of amendments, including one that would eliminate the path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented workers. there's a lot to break down with this, so luckily buzz feed's washington bureau chief, john stanton, is here. john, thanks for joining us. >> it's good to be here. >> let me ask you about a

specific report that's been circulating. congressman mario diaz belart, a republican, said that the group, his group has been derailed twice by nancy pelosi and other democratic leaders who want illegal immigrants to benefit from health care subsidies. last month pelosi insisted they were not pursuing this option and diaz-belart said i'm not sure she wants a bill. break this down. what's happening here? >> a lot of republicans want the law to be written in a way that those who get into the pathway do not get any of the benefits like medicare, social security, that kind of thing. in some cases some of the proposals would even make it illegal for hospitals to serve them if they came in. it depends, some would like to see that only during the pathway. some argue it should be for the totality of their time in the united states even after they become citizens.

that's the realistici sticking . democrats want a progressive proposal that provides these benefits fairly early in the system. the argument they make is a lot of these folks have been paying into taxes for years and into social security, medicare and medicaid for years despite their illegal status and that to say that now that they have a legal status they should not be able to get the same benefits everyone else does is sort of unfair. >> but nancy pelosi just last month said we're not going to pursue that. we're not going to try to put illegal immigrants onto health care subsidies. >> well, this is sort of how they're splitting this a little bit. when she says that, she's saying so long as you are still have an illegal status, you will not be able to get it, which is true. democrats are not trying to do that. but i think what congressman diaz-belart is referring to once they get spo the system and the pipeline and their legalization begins. >> john, i appreciate you saying illegal status because no person could be illegal. but let's talk about marco rubio

with all of this. he's kind of in a tenuous position. he co-authored the bill and is now threatening to walk away because he's sort of in an immigration quagmire. supporting the bill will cost him. failing to drag it right will cost him. abandoning him will definitely be damaging to him. >> he is walking a very tight line on this one. to a certain degree some of this is him trying to make the case that he has been out there pushing for conservative amendments to it as a way to bring along conservatives for the final vote. for him and for members of the senate, the big question is how close to 70 votes can they get. democrats like senator durbin have tried to push back on this, but realistically to have any kind of a possible hope for a vote in the house, they need to get as close to 70 votes as possible. that means bringing along some of the conservative republicans in the senate that are not comfortable. so rubio is trying to make this

case that, you know, he was opposed to some of this and he would have walked away from it so i think at the end of the day when he says, look, we got some changes, i'm not totally happy with it but this is the best bill we could get and i'm going to stay on board, there's some legitimacy to that argument. >> rubio is only halftime of the equation. it was reported that speaker boehner said that the hastert rule meaning the majority of the majority would have to support a piece of legislation. it's an open secret in washington that there aren't enough votes for an immigration bill in the house, so my question to you is what's the house doing? do they really want an immigration reform bill to pass? >> i think that there's a majority in the house that does. you have all the democrats and there are a large number of republicans that would like to see it. the problem is, is with this hastert rule. i think for months people have been saying that john boehner

was not going to do this without having a majority of republicans. he sort of sounds like -- confirmed this to his members this morning. that is not much of a possibility. if you're going to pass a bill that can get to the senate, get through the senate and get signed by president obama. that kind of a bill will require them to have very little in terms of a pathway in terms of citizenship, very aggressive on enforcement. some of the programs some businesses would like to see probably would not be included in that. he finds himself in a bind. this really is the choke point, i think, on immigration is the house and the house republican conference in particular. >> john, on all these amendments that might add security or have certain triggers, it seems like some of them are certainly designed to sink the bill. how do you distinguish between good faith amendments and what may ultimately be poison pills? >> that's a difficult measure to have. there are certainly some of these amendments that are trying to create triggers that are

definitely good faith. i think most people believe that rand paul, for instance, is trying to amend in bill in a good faith effort. there are others, senator sessions, for instance, who doesn't like the bill at all. while he may support all of the amendments that he's putting forward, he understands if they were to get on the bill it would essentially kill it. >> yeah, and the fate of 11 million illegal immigrants hang in the balance. john stanton, thanks. >> sure. up next, detroit up in smoke. we all know motor city has had its share of economic troubles. but did you know those financial woes have led to an arson epidemic? we'll get a look inside the fight to save the city. go from a city of 1.8 million to 700,000. >> as long as there's people leaving, as long as there's vacant houses, there's more things to burn. >> can't picture another city like this where so many of the fires are arson. >> it's beyond me why people would want to burn their own city down. >> this is katrina without the hurricane.

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detroit is literally a city on fire. i mean it literally. given the data, it's likely there's a fire going on in detroit right this minute. globalization has led to a shrinking middle class. in a city where population and wages are in decline and joblessness is high, it's led to more than 80,000 homes being abandoned and that has led to a rash of arson. >> the population loss, you go from a city of 1.8 million to 700,000 leaves a lot of vacant homes. >> the bottom line is everybody that can seems to be fleeing. >> imagine two-thirds of the people in your city disappeared, but they left their houses, their garbage, their furniture. >> as long as there's people leaving, as long as there's vacant houses, there's going to be fires. >> detroit has about 30 fires a day and 95% of those fires are arson. our next guests have made that thrilling documentary from that. you're seeing from the point of view of detroit firefighters

where hundreds of men and women are risking life and limb fighting blazes in the homes of businesses of their fellow citizens, a place where your job really is a matter of life and death. >> there's some buildings you realize they're designed to kill firemen. >> you put your life up as collateral for another life. you don't know what life-saving is about. >> it looks amazing. welcome tom putnam and brena sanchez, producers of the successful documentary "burn" which comes out on dvd today. welcome, you guys. explain to me why it is that detroit has so many fires going on. what is it culturally about detroit? >> thank you so much for having us. you know, detroit, there are so many cultural issues, there's so much discontent. as one of the firefighters says in the film, you know, a gallon of gas is cheaper than a movie

ticket. if someone -- you know, you've cheated on me. you've evicted me. you've -- you know, you've wronged me in some way. it's relatively inexpensive way to exact my revenge on you by burning down your house and it's also a form of entertainment when there's very little entertainment to be had. >> that is really scary. tom, i actually had the honor of meeting a number of the firefighters in this film a few months ago in washington, d.c., and talked to them about their stories. they have a truly huge job. they put out a fire, there's another one next door and it never ends. what are some of the city or structural barriers that they're dealing with in trying to get all of this contained? >> detroit is a huge city. it has 80,000 abandoned structures. just the sheer scope of the problems are -- take these guys to their limit every single day. when we went to engine 50, which is our jumping off point for the film, we went to 21 structure

fires our first two shifts with them. that's more than some suburban or rural firefighters see their entire career. the volume is just -- it's just unheralded. >> brenna, before i ask you the question, let's play another clip that sets up my question. >> why do you do this? >> we love -- i love my job. it does -- it's something with adrenaline that gets you pumped up. [ bell ringing ] >> gets him pumped up. my question is why do these firefighters stay, given the volume of fires that they're fighting and looking at the clips that we've been showing since this segment began, it's a harrowing job? >> it is. but, you know, they're not like us. if they were like us, we wouldn't be fascinated by them. their fathers and grandfathers and brothers have done it before

them. they're all very type a guys. they don't take no for an answer. they don't take we can't do this for an answer. if you put them on a horse and gave them a bucket, they'd put a fire out. they're just -- they're not cut of the same cloth as the rest of us. and so they go so much further beyond what any of us can relate to. i think that's where this film lives, in that it's beyond the depiction of film and television before. it gets to the heart of who they are, what they do. sees these harrowing fires through their eyes and gets to the heart and gets to the action in a way that we were completely surprised by and we hadn't seen before. >> it seems like your film tells a story that a lot of people don't know. of course anyone who's been through detroit is familiar with the really depressing imagery of the bombed-out buildings and all of those abandoned lots and all of those places touched by fires and arson. i've been through detroit a lot

and it's depression. maybe this is a superficial comment but in some ways it's more depressing than the typical poverty that you might see just in any american city that's struggling. is there any impact that you found in the work that you were doing and the research that you did on these communities that it is bombed out and sort of has a real look of hopelessness? >> well, there's a huge impact. imagine coming home every day and having all the houses on the opposite side of your street be burned out. i think it's very -- you know, it can be depressing for people, but i think within that, there is still a lot of hope that we found. the firefighters are a great example. they come back day after day because they love the city. as much as there is that people can say is negative, when you spend time there and get to meet the people there, you tart to see detroit the way they see it as well and there are a lot of wonderful things there and that's one of the things that keeps people coming back and fighting hard to bring it back. it is ultimately a hopeful story. >> "burn" is not a coffee table

book of ruined homes and displaced dreams. it's about fight and courage and hope and, you know, it's a testament to, yeah, it may -- the scope of this problem may be so huge, but there's people out there on the streets doing it every day and they're going to win. i mean at some point they're going to win. they have such an incredible battle before them, but there's people fighting and that's the only way to win it. you can't just walk away. >> we surely hope they're going to win. detroit is really going through it right now. this film really puts it in perspective. thank you and congratulations on the film. >> thank you so much. straight ahead, a mob boss, a hitman and how america's crime fascinations actually helps put bad guys behind bars. my name is mike and i quit smoking.

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are the top ranked by passengers in the latest performance survey. still, the airline industry as a whole ranks near the bottom of the service sector beating only fees for television and internet companies. needless to say this guy doesn't work for either of these airlines. more than a million people have viewed this of a guy chucking packages onto a conveyor belt. as you can see, he doesn't have very good aim. and now crime time. >> hey. >> the 38-year search for jimmy hoffa's body is one of america's great mysteries and this field in a michigan suburb might finally solve it. or maybe not. acting on a reliable tip from the son of a detroit mob boss and self proclaimed friend of hoffa, authorities are once again digging for the infamous remains. so far no body has been uncovered but there's evidence of cement. that would be significant because the source says hoffa was buried alive and covered over with cement. and best friend turned snitch. the friend of whitey bulger and

former hitman john known as the executioner testified in the high-profile trial. he has confessed to 28 murders and said the duo killed so many people during the '70s and '80s because, quote, it's kill or get killed at times. and the fbi this week reached a milestone adding its 499th and 500th fugitive to the infamous or famous top ten most wanted list. since the list started 63 years ago, 469 fugitives have been apprehended or located. 155 of them as a result of citizen cooperation, which includes whitey bulger. america's crime fascination helping to catch bad guys. that's not a bad thing. now let's backspin. toure, what do you like out of these cases? >> i love the whitey bulger case. i group up in boston and the legends of whitey having a brother as a state senator, having his man in the fbi controlling that and keeping this fear over the city which is this sort of big boogie man and

of course he had to go on and make a movie about this. so i'm following this trial this boston. whitey is saying that he didn't kill women, okay. and he didn't inform, which we are almost certain that he did. but also that doesn't really go to the guilt or innocence of whether or not he killed men. so it's really just him saying, look, my mobland friends, my gangland friends, i'm going out on my shield saying i was an honorable guy. i didn't kill women, i didn't inform. >> he was a good gangster. >> yeah, the other stuff, maybe i did it, maybe i didn't. his lawyer in the opening said he was of irish descent and the worst thing an irish person could do was become an informant. ergo, he must not have been an informant. >> my legal analysis is that's hard to sell. >> identical, politics, lawyering. he's black, ergo, he couldn't have been swimming in that pool.

>> he would never have done that. >> so matt damon and ben afleck are making a movie matt starring as whitey, ben directing. i'm looking forward to that one. >> me too. i loved "the departed." or we sy the depatted. and their take on that story, good stuff. i think all of these stories great drama. we're also just i think still amazed by any unsolved mystery. the fact that whitey bulger could go so long without being captured that we're digging up jimmy hoffa for like the 900th time hoping we'll find him, that we haven't been able to find him for so long, like d.b. cooper, an meia earhart or charles lindbergh. how do these go unsolved for so longing? it boggles the mind. >> we can know everything but we feel like we can solve everything. look at all the crime shows on television. "law & order," "law & order:

suv" criminal intent, "csi." we feel like we're arm chair detectives. if there's a history to be solved in 60 minutes, we have all the tools and knowledge to solve these mysteries. in the stats we just showed where 155 of the 469 fugitives apprehended on the top ten most wanted list were the result of citizen cooperation. >> i always go back to something ari said when this was the dylan rhadigan show. if we don't know something, then it's impossible because wikileaks would have told us. between wikileaks and the internet all the information does seem to sift to the top eventually. >> that's not exactly how you said it. >> that's literally what i said. >> when you talk about these endless conspiracies and the idea that the government is sitting on some secret location of hoffa's body or something like that. given all of the releases that we've had in this sort of current era, it's hard to imagine certain things staying

completely under wraps. >> unbelievable. >> do you have anything more for us toure? >> no, i don't. >> thanks for the case summary. just over an hour, the house is expected to vote on a bill that would restrict abortions after 20 exwith of pregnancy. up next, thoughts on what the anti-abortion movement can learn from duck dynasty. >> you can't. >> if it's the last thing we do. >> if we find every beaver dam on the property, load it with dynamite, that will be a start. >> kill them all! wheat thins. who's gonna take your wheat thins? i don't know. an intruder, the dog, bigfoot. could you get the light? [ loud crash ] what is going on?! honey, i was close! it's a yeti! [ male announcer ] must! have! wheat thins!

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biggest duck call ever. >> i want to bid the world's biggest duck call because duck commander is the biggest and the best. >> the reported right now is 36 inches. >> three foot long. you all need to figure out how to build this thing. >> wanted to us do something that's never been done before in the history of mankind in a few days. >> exactly. >> my friend willie robertson, the man behind the a & e hit television series "duck dynasty. >> caller: is perhaps best known for his beard, duck calls and family. you might not know that 11 years ago, willie and his wife cory added a special child to their growing family, adopting will junior after they already had two children and another on the way. it was something they felt called to do. when i talked to willie about in this week, he put it this way. i've got to do all kinds of incredible things but adopting will was the most rewarding thing in our lives.

they were two people who wanted to give a child a home. too many children are born to young single parents, disjointed families and unwanting parents, incapable of providing in the ways that they ultimately want to. and they are told they have but one option, abortion. too many children are unborn, the result of a difficult decision but one that ultimately robs another willing family of the chance to be the good parents that will junior and so many others had. adoption is the unspoken and uncelebrated third option escaping our political discussions. we debate only two decisions, to keep a child or abort a child. we rarely spotlight the alternative, to have a baby and give it to a loving family. this is a failing not only of our culture but of the right to life political movement to which i ascribe. if we believe that life is paramount, in the absence of abstinence and marriage, we must be far more vocal in celebrating adoption and making the legal

process easier and more efficient. i haven't given adoption much thought. it recently came into focus while watching an oxygen program called "i'm having their baby," which showcased courageous young women who made the tough decision to give their babies up for adoption. it's raw and heart arbreaking, illustrating a real and complicated internal struggle. they talk of the judgment they face and agony they go through in admitting they cannot sufficiently care for an unplanned pregnancy. in light of other programs that glorify teen pregnancy, it's a series that should be applauded for its its fortitude and honesty. the pro-life movement has been missing something and republicans have dropped the ball. while we've made significant strides in arguing for the sanctity of life, we have failed to make adoption a significant part of our policy platform. while it's right we oppose the abortion agenda, we haven't offered women a compelling

opinion with as strident a voice. we also have to embrace gay adoption adoption. if fight are not rights of the unborn is the foundation of conservative values, we must fight for all willing parents who want a child to be able to give them homes. this not be comfortable but it's morally imperative and good politics at a time when it seems the abortion conversationing is fraught with so many ep pitfalls for conservative politicians. shifting the narrative to adoption is a productive alternative. either way it's not enough just to rail against abortion. it's time for conservatives to fight for policies that make adoption not only easier and more efficient but that celebrate an impulse that is the definition of who we are as americans. we should want every child to be born into loving homes, the loving homes are there, ready and waiting. let's make this a top priority. okay, that does it for "the cycle." martin, it's all yours. >> thank you. it's tuesday, june 1th.

the economy, immigration reform, national security, forget it. it the house of representatives wants to go back 40g years. -- 40 years. ♪ i've got the power >> one of the things you learn as president, you do have differing perspectives on problems. >> it is very easy to slip slide deeper and deeper. >> these programs have protected the u.s. and our allies from terrorist threats. >> the nsa cannot listen to your telephone calls. >> over 50 times of since 9/11. >> i don't pay a lot of attention to what barack obama says. >> i don't think we ought to be playing games. >> women have said you need to do something about these late term abortions. >> we have got to get serious. >> we're going to take that action today. >> what have you done for me lately? that's my job. i accept that.