serious questions about the immigration bill after last night's stunning defeat for speaker boehner and house republicans. they felt they had to vote to pass the farm bill but failed. and it comes just as immigration appears to have huge momentum coming out of the senate. there it looks like 70 votes is now possible for a deal. the break through came when the gang of eight joined corcoran and hogan on border security. and 15 republican senators could sign with nearly all the democrats to pass immigration reform. >> we secure the border so we are not back in the situation where we have millions of illegal immigrants in this country ten years down the road. >> but that's the senate. back to the house where speaker boehner's miscalculation on the farm bill may not bode well for more complicated negotiations like immigration. republicans blame democrats. democrats bash the gop. >> what is happening on the floor today was a demonstration of major amateur hour.

>> it is pathetic that the republican whip team would be trying to point fingers at others when what you see is their latest inability and failure to govern. >> in order to lose control of the floor, you have to have control in the first place. and i don't think speaker boehner has had control of this caucus and of this congress. >> now in simplest form the farm bill failed because conservative republicans voted against it because they said it cost too much. democrats voted against it because it cut too much from food stamps. i want to bring in reid wilson, the editor and chief of national journals hotline and shara is here as well. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> in case you missed what adam shipp just said on "the daily rundown." >> he's running one step ahead of the mob. >> reid, after two years of negotiations, how does this

happen? especially to a guy who said he would bring immigration to the floor if he didn't have the votes? >> remember, the farm bill, it met the rule with a majority of the republican votes, but this is a failure of the vote counters on the republican side. if you are a majority, you don't put a bill on the floor unless you have some guarantee it's going to pass. you didn't see a lot of this happening when the democrats, when nancy pelosi was speaker. they had a tight whip operation when republicans were in control of the senate and dennis laster was speaker before 2006. these sorts of votes rarely if ever happened. sometimes they would keep the votes open for hours while they con joeled members just enough to get to the 218 votes they needed to pass a bill. this time we have seen this now four or five times in which republicans have lost votes that go to the floor when they expected to win. you know, in a lot of cases, they can say, well, democrats didn't bring the votes that they had promised, but at the end of

the day, they've got a checklist of where all their members are. they should know where all the votes are coming from. it's embarrassing more than anything else. >> frankly, even if they got the 40 democratic votes they were promised it still wouldn't pass. that argument is a little weak. john boehner did an interview with maria bartiromo at cnbc before the vote and she asked him about the difficulties of being speaker and the road ahead to immigration. here's what he said. >> as the speaker, i take a lot of hits, i get a lot of hatches thrown at my back every day. it comes from the territory. and if you're going to lead here in washington, you know, you're going to take some hits. but i've got a good relationship with our members. work closely with them, and i have made clear how we intend to proceed on immigration. i think people are comfortable with it. >> again, that was done before the farm bill vote. is his speakership in trouble? >> not immediately, i would say. i certainly would watch after

this congress. we'll see what happens in the 2014 elections. it's also possible he may not want the job anymore. i think the speakership he envisioned for himself is not the one he's had. he ascended the house in the 1990s when newt gingrich was speaker. it is just a very different time and the caucus was different then. now he's dealing with an unwhipable caucus. i agree with reid it's the fault of the vote counters in the republican congress, house with kevin mccarthy, he's deputies, he's got a dozen of them, but in many ways the members are either not telling the whip leaders how they are going to vote, there's some kind of communication error going on and this caucus is unwhipable. >> let's talk about the implications this will have for immigration. bob corker was specifically asked about that yesterday. >> i'm always learning in life the best way to be successful is focus on the job at hand, okay? and the job at hand right now is to pass a bill out of the senate. i hope if we pass a bill out of

the senate they will take it out and i hope we'll have a conference which produces a very balanced piece of legislation. >> reid, if they don't get some momentum on the senate side, meaning 70 votes, is there any chance in the house? >> well, i mean, why 70 votes? why are we talking about whether or not the senate has any impact on immigration if it gets a big margin? i mean, the farm bill passed with 66 votes in the senate. came to the house and died by 25 votes. so, you know, i'm skeptical of this notion that a big margin in the senate is going to translate into the house. marco rubio and republican members of the gang of eight have been working very closely with house members, especially the more conservative ones, but they are not getting a great reaction. they are getting a lot of skepticism from republicans who don't think that this immigration bill is the right way to proceed. so they've got a sales job to do within their own conference. shira is right, this is an unwhipable conference. and there are a number of

members for whom it's good politics to be against leadership, to say this bill isn't conservative enough so i'm going to vote against it even if house leadership is for it. this is a fascinating time in a lot of the commentary on immigration today, people who were saying this bill is going to pass in july and it will get through the house before the august recess, i'm now seeing people say, well, if this bill passes at all, and they are talking about a much longer timeline than the one they talked about a few weeks ago. >> are they talking about a much longer timeline? is that what you think, shira? >> perhaps, but i think the august recess looms over members and their schedule. that's a really important deadline because as we saw with the health care bill, they also spread that over august recess. and all the members went home and they got an earful from their constituents at the town hall meets. it is really a pivotal time in the congressional calendar. i think if they have a prayer of passing this bill, time is the enemy and they have to get it done before the august resays. >> shira and reid, thanks to

both of you. opening statements in the george zimmerman trial are set to begin on monday after a juror of six women was seated yesterday. both sides were back in court briefly this morning to hash out remaining motions, although no ruling was made on the lingering and potentially crucial decision over whether to allow testimony from a state audio expert. nns's kerry sanders is live outside the courthouse in sanford, florida. kerry, do we know when we'll get that decision we've been waiting for for so long? >> reporter: it made be today. the judge says she's working on it and will be trying to get that wrapped up by 5:00 today. meantime, as we look at who the jurors are, we now have a pretty good idea, even though they are anonymous who the jurors are, there are six jurors in this case. all of them are women. five of them according to the prosecutor are white. the prosecutor says the other juror is either hispanic or black. now, when those jurors come to the courthouse here on monday, what they're going to begin to

start to do here is basically move in because when they are not in the courthouse, they are going to be taken to a hotel. it is called sequestration. and they are going to remain back and forth between that hotel and here until this trial is done. and this trial could last up to a month. now, one of the things the judge sort of organized today is that what can and what cannot be said in opening statements, specifically the judge told the prosecutor that when they start the opening statements in this case on monday, they cannot use the term "racial profiling." they can't suggest by using that word that zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin when he was shot and killed. again, remember that george zimmerman has pled not guilty even though he's admitted he shot and killed trayvon martin. he claims it was self-defense. but what the judge did allow the state to use is the word profiling. and the state suggests, well, profiling could be the way he

was dressed, his age, the way he was walking. and so whether the jurors here profiling and think racial profiling, the judge has been very specific they can't link those two words together. also, allowed in the opening statements, despite the fact that the state said they didn't want to hear were the words like individu vigilante and self-appointed cop. that will be allowed in the opening statements, but it is unclear what impact all of this will have on the jury until they get to their point of actually deliberating and coming back with a conclusion and decision in this case. >> nbc's kerry sanders, thank you. now back to washington with the surprising defeat for the farm bill last night and questions are raised on the implications for immigration. i want to bring in senator chris murphy, a democrat from senate. senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> on your side we've seen a lot of encouraging signs for

immigration. we've really been seeing the opposite in the house. and i'm wondering what you make of the farm bill going down and do you think it has implications for immigration. >> the house has become a pretty dysfunctional place and the farm bill is another example. right now the right-wing tea party crowd in the republican caucus seems to be running the place. luckily that's not how the senate works. as broken as the senate is, republican senators on this issue of immigration understand that the world is changing and the senate needs to catch up. so we are right now putting the finishing touches on this new amendment to the senate immigration bill that will get much tougher on the border. we hope that will bring along another potentially 10 to 12 republicans to get a very, very big vote. and the question is, if we were to get 70, 75 to 80 members of the senate voting on this, could the tea party in the house of representatives still stand in the way of this knowing that the bill could get a majority vote if john boehner just brought it

up next week or the week after? this will be the true test for john boehner of whether he is really going to be the speaker of the house of representatives or whether he's just going to basically go down to the right wing of his caucus. >> i don't think i have ever heard the word 80 come out of a senator's mouth. is that a possibility in your mind? >> yeah, i don't know. i mean, maybe i should dial that back a little bit, but there's a lot of enthusiasm near the senate right now. let me be honest with you, i think this amendment is overkill. you are essentially going to have enough border agents across the border so the guys can hold hands with each other. i think that's not necessarily wise money spent given all the other things that we have to do in this country, but that being said, i've been surprised. pleasantly surprised at the genuineness of republicans to try to get so something they can support. listen, maybe the number isn't 80, but i certainly think 70 is

in sight. and there's going to be a lot of pressure, frankly whether that number is 65, 70 or 75, it's going to be a big vote with a lot of pressure on boehner to bring this bill up before the house in some way, shape or form. >> i guess the question is, do you think he has the power and influence to do it with 70 or a 75 vote which i'm sure the supporters on the senate side of this bill would be doing the happy dance if those numbers came in, but does it matter at all? >> well, listen, he's not the speaker of the republican caucus. he's the speaker of the house. and, you know, he has done this before, brought bills before the house that got a majority of democrats and a handful of his caucus. nancy pelosi did it all the time where she would pass bills with republicans and a handful of democrats. so i understand there are people making threats to his speakership, but he's got a responsibility to the nation here. and i think that's what you've seen from republicans in the senate. marco rubio and bob corker and john hogan are going to get a lot of grief, but they know

their responsibility to the millions of undocuments workers here who deserve a shot at citizen ship and they need immigration reform to pass in order to move forward. >> i want to ask you about a bill you're introducing to block military funding to go to syria. what are your concerns about giving arms to rebel groups? >> here's what i'm concerned about. i think we've made big mistakes in the past whether it be in iraq or the way in which we conducted ourselves in afghanistan where we didn't set out clear goals on what we need to accomplish. i'm worried we are going to get into the same thing in syria today. there are two problems, one, the momentum is on the assad regime side right now. and so in order to turn that, we have to give big weapons to the opposition. the problem is al qaeda is part of the opposition and the weapons flow to those we are fighting across the globe. >> when you do the calculus, and obviously a big argument in this is about the humanitarian crisis, the thousands of people dying there literally every

single week, that's more dangerous than what we are seeing on the humanitarian side to you. >> i think it is. i think the potential for these weapons, like they did in afghanistan, to flow into the hands of al qaeda is a real problem. now, i do believe we should dramatically increase argumentative assistance inside syria and to the ref you gee camps. that should be our focus. let's have a full debate about this in the united states senate. whether or not this is an act of war or not, the president shouldn't do this without the american public getting to have a full debate. and that's what senator paul and senator lee and senator myself are asking for. >> senator chris murphy, good to have you on the program. >> thanks, chris. >> and we'll be right back. ♪

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mayors from across the country are gathering in las vegas for the u.s. conference of mayors that kicks off later today. one major issue on many of their minds, the impact of the sequester having back home. philadelphia is scrounging for money to reduce child led poisoning. in mesa, arizona, sales tax revenue is softening as boeing suppliers cut back. and oklahoma city anticipates less spending from its largest employer, tinker air force base. mr. mayor, thank you for joining me. >> good morning, chris. >> there's one big example for your city, but what are your overriding concerns about the sequester and what it means for oklahoma city? >> i think we have already seen the impact of the sequester. two or three months ago we started to see the sales tax start to slip, and at that point the sequester hadn't taken place. just the thought of it had a lot of our federal employees start to think maybe some of the discretionary spending habits

needed to be toned down. and so we are still growing from a sales tax perspective, but the growth has slowed and the sequester has played a small role in that. >> local governments are dealing with the sequester because republicans and democrats couldn't compromise to avoid the $1.2 trillion in cuts over nine years. $85 billion is being withheld for the fiscal year ending september 30th. we heard about some of the short-term impacts, what about the long-term impacts? what are your biggest concerns for your budget? >> well, i do not believe that the military is where they need to start making these spending cuts. i think they need to, you know, get after the entitlement programs and try to figure out long-term solutions. so unless they address entitlement spending long-term, things like the sequester are going to continue to hamper us. in oklahoma city and a lot of cities around the country, we rely on sales tax for the bulk of our expenses, hiring police officers and hiring firefighters. and it comes back to the economy.

and if the sequester cuts are not done effectively and accurately, it's going to affect us on the streets where main street lives. >> so this may be an area where republicans and democrats, mayors from across the country will agree this weekend, but what can you all do about it? i mean, what kind of influence can you have? what can you accomplish with this meeting? >> well, i think congress listens to what mayors have to say, but, you know, congress is not necessarily a functional legislative body to begin with. so sometimes on some issues, i'm not sure our voices is as loud as it could be or received as loudly as it should be. but, you know, people live in cities. and i think they look at city government right now as being stronger and stronger and a more vital part of our economy than ever before. cities are where the jobs are being created. it's where the growth in our national economy is going to have to take place in we are going to continue to build this country. >> and finally, before you go, you and i spoke after the moore problems, the tornadoes, and i

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hagan, and of third tank, matt bennett, who served in president clinton's administration. good morning. >> good morning. >> so "the daily beast" writes this, quote, it was a letter some noted that could have easily been endorsed by the likes of carl rove and other republicans operatives who would have liked nothing more than to see marginal democrats starved of campaign funds. if the mayor didn't send his letter, then it wasn't on the paper he printed it on. miscalculation by mayor bloomberg? >> mayor bloomberg has done an norps amount of good in this debate and brought huge resources to bear on it, but in our view this kind of thing is a mistake. and we tend to agree with victor, the right target here are people like mark pryor and mark baggage, it is people like kelly ayott who know better and

should have voted for the bill and didn't and could lose because they failed to support this. i think the problem is if mark pryor loses, i don't think he will, nobody will say it's because of his vote on guns. >> senator joe manchin who coo-authored the gun control bill talked on "morning joe" of supporting the gun bill in his home state of west virginia. take a listen. >> i work on all sides of the aisle and these are all my friends. they know it's right, too. and you know what? guys, listen, if i can do it in west virginia and tell you that you have to go home and work it, you can't back off of it. if you know it's right, what other purpose do we have here? >> is he right about that? is there a duress of people willing to do maybe what they think is right? >> well, i don't think he's right about it and politically clearly it hasn't been something that enough people have gotten behind. and no one yet has paid a price for that, so i don't think you'll see a different political outcome on the background check

legislation. having said that, the bigger change, i think, for conservatives and republicans like kelly ayott with this bill and the bills being talked about, new bills, is their national registry. so when you take this debate in the context of a now nsa debate, i think it makes the odds of passage even less likely. >> do you agree with that, matt? do you think the odds of passage are even less likely? >> i don't agree and i think the idea that the bill would create some kind of national registry is one of the great red herrings of modern political history. the bill explicitly makes it illegal to create a federal registry, which we do not have and will never have. the manchin/tooney bill would expand background checks to people buying guns on the internet or through gun shows. they would be run through licensed dealers and there would be no registry. this is the thing kelly ayott has been talking about but is

completely fake. it is an excuse to distract from the fact she voted against the bill she knew in her heart she shouldn't have voted for. >> sara, let me ask you when you say no but it has not paid a price yet, since newtown we have not had an election, but markey is up 20 points in the race in massachusetts against gomez, and he released a new tv ad about gun control. i'm going to play a little bit of it. >> where would a civilian need a weapon where they could shoot a gun with 100 bullets in it in under two minutes? >> gabriel gomez never answered the question. >> never answered the question. >> so, mr. gomez, why are you against banning assault weapons? >> fred markey, this has been a signature issue. as i said, the latest poll out late yesterday is that he's up 20 points. so do you think that ultimately this is going to be an issue that candidates will have to answer for in 2014? if not in this massachusetts senate race? >> i think it will be an issue in some states, but the reality

is, when you take your assault weapons, there are a lot of people who compete in shooting sports, including with assault weapons. they are -- they have the right to do that. just like anybody who competes in any sport. and so in a situation like massachusetts and you have gabe gomez who is running in a very blue state. and at the end of the day in the final analysis, i don't think the gun control issue will be the deciding factor. >> we will continue to talk about this issue. sara agan, matt bennett, thank you to both of you. checking the news feed this morning, a family friend has now released what he says is the official cause of death for actor james gandolfini. in rome the spokesperson said the 51-year-old died of a heart attack. nothing else was found in his system. he died wednesday while vacationing in italy with his 13-year-old son. with a million people demonstrating across brazil last

night, this morning the braz brazilian president is holding a special meeting to talk about what to do about the sometimes violent protests. an 18-year-old was killed when a jeep smashed through a barricade in the small city in the state of south palo. another 120 people were hurt in brazilia, the nation's capital. several downtown neighborhoods have been evacuated in calgary due to flooding and 100,000 other canadians could face evacuation orders. torrential rains and flooding throughout the southern alberta area have washed out roads and bridges and caused mudslides. new details this morning of a stunningly close near miss in the skies over new york city last week. a delta boeing 747 cleared to land at jfk missed an approach and ended up flying in the same direction as an american regional jet leaving a runway at nearby laguardia airport. a source tells nbc news the planes came an estimated 100 feet from each other in the air. both planes did land safely but

the faa is investigating. call it a reheat. the miami heat beat the san antonio owe spurs 95-88 in game seven to win their second nba championship in a row. lebron james won his second mvp title. and get this, nike put out a congratulatory commercial featuring lebron's answering machine. [ phone ringing ] >> you have reached lebron, please leave a message. >> yo, lebron, what's up? this is spike, congratulations, what love. i'm out. >> do people still use answering machines? okay, probably not, but nike has set up a line where you can call lebron and leave a message. the full commercial and phone number up on the facebook page, facebook/jansingco. stocks are bouncing back after the worst two days of 2011. mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. i was listening to jim crime they are morning who says it is

not time to panic. so is wall street taking a breath this morning saying things aren't so bad? >> i have just been watching the tape here and obviously it's a little bit volatile. we are back to where it just turned negative for the three indices, but compared to what we have seen the past couple of days, chris, i guess you can say we are somewhat stabilizing. in fact, we had the biggest drop of the year yesterday. if you add up the losses from wednesday and thursday, the dow has lost over 500 points. that really wiped out all those gains that we saw this both may and june. the market is worried the safety blanket will be taken away by the fed. it does look like the fed will scale back the massive bond-buying program later this year if the economy continues to improve. so in light of that, the thing we really need to watch here, chris, is treasury yields. the fed has kept those yields low. that's kept borrowing cheep for us, the consumer, and also for businesses. so that's what we really need to watch going forward. >> yeah, and obviously the closer you are to retirement the more you're probably freaking out about this. i know you've been speaking with

a lot of money experts, what's their advice for average investor who is see the scary headlines? >> well, i think the first thing to do is to really put it in perspective and say, okay, we have had a bit of a bumpy ride of late, but still the s&p 500 is still up about 12% for the year. so in terms of your portfolio, you're still probably in the money so far this year. obviously, i would say go and see a financial adviser if you're worried. do not panic. seek out some good advice out there before you do anything. >> cnbc's mandy drury, have a great weekend. >> you too. >> did you know today is the first full day of summer? so what better way to kick it off with a list of the best summer songs of all time. number five, surfin' usa with the beach boys. all summer long. summer in the city by lovin spoonful. number two, summertime by will

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on monday we'll finally get the key supreme court decisions on same sex marriage and voting rights. there's a new birth partisan move to tell vise the meetings. they are requiring all high court sessions to be televised unless they violate the cameras would violate those arguing the case. i want to bring in pete williams and supreme court pete goldstein expert. good morning. >> good morning. >> lawmakers have been pushing for cameras in the high court at least since 1999.

i want to play what justices kennedy and briar said back in march before testifying before the house appropriations subcommittee. take a look. >> there would be considerable reluctance to introduce a dynamic where i would have the instinct that one of my colleagues asked a question because we are on television. i just don't want that insidious dynamic. >> the first time you see on primetime television somebody taking a picture of you and really using it in a way you think is completely unfair. the next day you'll watch a lot more carefully what you say. >> pete, do you think that's the overall view of the court? >> i do. i think it's among the many views the court has on why they don't support television. the interesting thing is the two most recent appointees to the court both said during their confirmation hearings that they might be inclined to support cameras in the supreme court and have since changed their minds after they got there.

they have a host of reasons, but i think it's fairly unanimous that they don't want to see cameras in the supreme court. >> well, tom, let me ask you, nigh the sky, you are a veteran watcher of the supreme court, and most of white house are out here in the real world and don't get a chance to actually sit in on one of these arguments, would stars emerge? what would be the dynamic? do you think things would change? >> i really don't as somebody who argue there is and has talked to judges from a lot of courts who have cameras in their courtroom. there's a lot of fear on this and the justices are fair people and do want it to be a serious place, but there are state supreme courts, there are foreign supreme courts that have been doing this, and their reports are all really positive that people do tune in occasionally. they watch it and they have greater faith in the judges and justices, not less. >> you mentioned you've been before the court, i think you argued more than two dozen cases, and the other part of it besides the justices themselves are the lawyers who argue before

the court. look, we heard this when there were arguments about cameras in the lower courts you mentioned with every show boding by lawyers. >> i don't think it's a real possibility, it's a concern of the justices for sure, but if we get up there and grandstand, we are going to get slapped down so hard, so fast, that we are going to be embarrassed. that's the last thing in the world we want. it also fades into the background. you're really focused on arguing your case to these nine people. i understand why it is they have that concern, but it doesn't seem to have played out as a real problem in other courts. >> the other side is transparency and would one hope, pete, a greater involvement by regular americans. and it was interesting what you said about the last two justices that when they came in they seemed to be more open to cameras in court. and i wonder if this is like a lot of things in our society, the younger the court gets the more people who grew up with cameras around them all the time, if it won't change. >> it may at some point, but

it's not going to happen in my lifetime, maybe not yours. >> really, not in your lifetime? >> no, i don't think so. there's a strong feeling about this. and the other thing you have to look at here, chris, is whether congress can force the supreme court to do this. >> yes, so what if this bill did pass, what would happen? >> then you get into a separation of powers question whether the supreme court can be ordered to install cameras by the congress or whether as an independent branch the congress can't tell the supreme court what to do anymore than the supreme court could issue a ruling forcing congress to put cameras in the house and senate, which of course they chose to do on their own. as you say, it's been tried before. i don't know that it will pass. i think really the purpose of the legislation i would gather is to try to get the supreme court to think more about this. but the supreme court has thought about this a lot and is right now very much against it. they don't even allow same day release of audio. they don't even allow live audio to come out of the court. remember, the only times we have

gotten audio was after the argument is over. then they release the audio on the occasional times they do it the same day. we have never had live audio. it would be a huge step to go to live television. >> i think one of the most listened to pieces of audio, i don't know, you may actually know, tom, maybe it's when justice clarence thomas who has not asked a question in more than seven years, spoke ever so briefly in a matter of seconds in january cracking a joke. maybe cameras in the courtroom would change that. >> i mean, one thing we did see when it came to audio was in the affordable health care argument there was an excerpt that went into an advertisement by the republican party solicitor john worley coughing at the beginning of the argument and somewhat stumbling. and i think that advertisement, that excerpt really did give the justices a lot of concern that things would be taken out of context used to embarrass them. >> fascinating conversation, thanks, guys. good to see you both.

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it's been a very good week for proponents of the affordable care act. just yesterday hhs released an analysis that found americans saved nearly $4 billion on health insurance policy costs in 2012 thanks in part to obama care. released on wednesday that nine states' premiums for middle of the road policies newly unveiled in the price exchanges are pricing below estimates.

and on tuesday a report shows that increases in health care costs have slowed. in october the key component of obama care will go into effect. around 30 million americans without health insurance policy will be eligible to enroll in statewide exchanges. one group that's been trying to fill the health care gap is the national association of free and charitable clinics. msnbc is teaming up for a one-day free health clinic in new orleans on july 3rd. i'm joined now by the group's executive director, nicole lamiro. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> people see the need out there on the personal day-to-day basis the way you and the people who work in the free clinics do. help us to understand the need in places like new orleans. >> well, let's talk about this. 20% of people in the state of louisiana have no access to health insurance. >> one out of five has no ax sesz seven in. >> no access to health insurance. and that's heartbreaking to us. now we have governors all across the united states saying they are not going to expand the

medicaid program. and those people in louisiana need access to health care. they need it so they can help us have a good and stronger economy, a stronger education system, and they need it just because they are an important part of our society. when we are not expanding these programs, we are saying to them, you don't matter. that's a problem. 83% of the patients who come to our clinics come from a working household. 58% are women. they are making that hard choice between putting food on the table and caring for their children. it shouldn't happen like that in america. >> so this is truly the working poor. when you're looking at a number like 83% actually do work, give us the idea of the typical kinds of case that is you see in the health clinics. >> well, we see everyone who needs things from a physical so they can go to work. a lot of construction workers need to have that physical before they can go to a job. substitute teachers, a lot of substitute teachers come to see us. we even saw someone who came to the clinic who was a radiologist at the hospital who couldn't get

the health care they needed. we have the basic coverage. we need to get diabetic testing, but we have those physicals. and unfortunately at times we've stopped suicides. and we have even had people who had cancer who came to see us and gotten them their health. >> what can people do who want to help? >> well n the past msnbc viewers have been so generous. and we are asking them to help us again to stand with us and say, we are not going to let the uninsured suffer. please go to our website and donate and volunteer with us. every little bit will help. >> i was at one of these clinics in new orleans a few years ago. it is stunning the great work that your folks do and it is stunning the need as well. thank you so much. it's good to see you, nicole. >> thank you so much. >> again, this note about our partnership on this continuing health initiative. msnbc's sponsoring the eighth free health clinic. reverend al sharpton will be at the clinic there on july 3rd. i'm chris jansing.

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good friday, everyone. i'm craig melvin in for thomas roberts. could the longest day of the year finally be enough time for the senate to seal the immigration deal? you're looking live right now at cap toil hill where the overhaul hammered out by the bipartisan gang of eight will dominate today's debate on the senate floor. it picked up serious steam in the last 24 hours with the break through on border security. and an amendment is expected to be filed today. a duo of gop senators wrote it. the goal? to get members of the party onboard. the border surge calls for hiring 20,000 additional border patrol agents. it would complete a 700-mile fence along the border. the price tag? about $30 billion. supporters insist it's worth every cent. >> some people will describe this as a border surge.

and the fact is that we are investing resources in securing or border that have never been invested in. >> you'll have a border patrol agent every thousand feet on the border 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. >> we need to fix this. and this is our chance to fix it. >> even with the new border surge, some republicans still aren't sold. here's senator ted cruz explaining why he's one of them. >> it starts with legalization and it promises border security sometime in the future, like the famed character wimpy from popeye. i'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. >> and it remains to be seen what the house will do. >> it's border security and confidence that we've got the border secured before we begin to go down this path of addressing both the legal immigration issues and the illegal immigration issues. but regardless