>> how do you really feel? privacy versus security. president obama holds his first meeting with civil liberty advocates, as the "guardian" posts more classified documents about the secret spy program. and heat repeat. miami scorches the san antonio spurs to win their second straight nba title. king james becoming only the third player behind bill russell and michael jordan to win the mvp two years in a row. >> i'm lebron james from akron, ohio. from the inner city. i'm not even supposed to be here. that's enough. every night i walk into the locker room, i see a number 6 with james on the back. i'm blessed. >> and good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the latest documents leaked by edward snowden to the "guardian" suggests the government was able to retain some personal information on residents even in surveillance programs aimed primarily at foreign targets.

but congress doesn't seem exercised about the disclosures, compared to other issues, other controversies. are americans simply more interested in security than privacy? nbc's david gregory is moderator of "meet the press." david, you've done a lot of reporting and thinking about this issue. we saw benghazi and other issues that approach the scandal level. this one has a different tone to it, at least in terms of congressional oversight. >> well, i think that's the key. because i think what congress may want to do is have more oversight. they may want to make -- put some more parameters around these programs. i keep saying the bigger issue is we have to have a debate in this country about whether we want to abandon the level of security state that we created after 9/11. and congress has to have the guts to do that. i think people want to learn more. i think there's a lot of the country that is not concerned about this, if it's in pursuit of terrorists and people still perceive a real threat. but i think what it really comes down to is oversight and, you know, mike haden said on "meet the press" last sunday the idea

that is be politically sustainable is a more important standard than it was immediately most 9/11. >> and congress also has to be held to account here, because the more you look at it, the more it's very clear that outside of the intelligence committee, there were invitations during debates, during reauthorization of the patriot act, where people, members, could go, yes, without their staff. but they could go ask questions, and then complain to the intelligence chairs if they didn't feel they had enough staffing to best understand what's going on. >> right. there's that, and, look, civil libertarians get overwhelmed by a public sentiment. if something were to happen, god forbid, you know, some of these civil liberty concerns get overwhelmed by the security concerns and that's frankly the environment we have still been in over a decade. and a democratic administration has not done anything to tap that down. the idea that there is -- the level of acceptable risk has just gone way, way low. i don't care if you're a democrat or republican president or lawmaker.

nobody wants to be accused of not doing everything they could and should and were capable of doing in the face of some threat. >> and the fact that, you know, edward -- keith alexander, rather -- keith election kerr, head of the nsa and fbi director, in their testimonies were talking about edward snowden and these leaks. and we're all saying, you know, we're accused of not connecting the dots and of not being invasive enough on the tsarnaev brothers after boston. so what about all of that? now we've got james comey coming in and being sworn in today as the new -- rather, introduced today as the new head of the fbi as the nominee to replace muller after 12 years of muller, who took over right after 9/11. this is a very big transition, assuming he gets confirmed. >> yeah, and i think he will. i think he will be confirmed. but there will be some questions. and it's also an opportunity then for an fbi director to be part of that debate that says, okay, let's get real about some of the constraints we put on these programs.

the kind of debate we have around these programs. we keep secret what we need to. but when the president says he welcomes the debate, well, he doesn't really. because all this has been secret. let's have the debate. but let's do it in a way that's sustained, where you really start thinking about how much power should the president have, and where -- there's a danger, i think, in this sort of -- a little bit of outrage and then if congress pulls back that nothing is really going to come of it. >> and the subtext is that the data mining technologies were really invented in silicon valley and in the private sector, and we know that our purchasing proclivities, what kinds of books and movies and other kinds of things we buy online, that's all known. and that is all mined and already used in the private sector. so are we willing to accept those tradeoffs already? want to ask you about foreign policy. there is a general, you know, concern about the government and a lack of confidence in government and in intelligence and now we're hearing concerns about the chemical weapon finding that the intelligence

agencies community communicated to the white house and the decision that syria had crossed the red line. do you think that the president is vulnerable on that, or going forward? and they sustain the confidence with allied, obviously, british and french support? >> you know, i just think in the case of syria, it's strange. because it's -- the red line is there. some sort of international norm to say we don't want to get in the business of using chemical weapons, but 100,000 dead through conventional weapons is, you know, short of that. it seems to be kind of vague. i mean, i think -- i think the president is humbled by the fact he doesn't have great overseas relationships with foreign leaders, where he needs them. especially if the united states is not playing the lead on these things. and i just think the world is tough right now. syria is a tough challenge. this is not madeline albright saying we have this great military, why don't we use it to solve this problem. we have been using the military and i think some of the experience is a big bet on syria, nobody knows the outcome and the united states government is agonizing over how much

ownership it wants over the problem. >> and it's a little bit false to say, well, you can't prove that syria -- that the regime has used these weapons, because you're not on the ground able to check it out when syria will not let the u.n. get in to find it on the ground. and this, as secretary kerry is right now in the air heading to the middle east, heading to doha to have talks about afghanistan and the fact that the taliban are about to get into negotiations with the karzai regime and the u.s. is stepping back and saying you guys go at it. but this is the end game, is to have a negotiated solution in afghanistan. >> the soviets were there for a decade. they did horrible damage to that country. the united states was there just as long to stop al qaeda, which it did, but also its host, which is the taliban. and now the taliban is going no negotiate. and by the way, they want to run at least in part this country. and i think there's a lot of reason to suggest that they actually will run the country in

part. again, some huge bets about whether they can pull off respect for a central government. will the taliban respect the constitution of afghanistan you talk about, you know, a long way to go. i think this respects that. >> and what will happen to minority rights and women's rights. right. >> david, "meet the press" on sunday. >> >> we want to do our own congressional summit on immigration, the economy, spying. we've got terrific four some to talk about this, as well as to really examine the president's standing right now politically with some of these issues. and we'll do that with our round table. >> thank you very much. we'll be watching. >> okay. >> and senate approval of a broad overhaul of the nation's immigration system could get a boost to spend billions on border patrol. but while it is raising hopes for republican support, there is strong opposition to it. >> if it were actually needed and work, i would help deal with that. but i don't -- i have my doubts that this is the best way to spend our money.

i think this was a political response to a failing piece of legislation, a dramatic, desperate attempt to pass a dramatic piece of amendment so they can say it does everything you want and more. so we'll see. hopefully it does improve the border. but again, the border is just one part of the overall failure of our immigration system. and joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell and "usa today's" immigration reporter, allen gomez. welcome, both. first of all, do we need this $25 billion? there has been some suggestion that it's really excessive, just sort of a feel good to get the votes. but what will $25 billion do? >> believe in the people writing this call it overkill and in part is supposed to be an overwhelming symbol and commitment to say that they will more seriously address this security problem.

and they acknowledge quite quickly, so much of the security problem in terms of the border is in the interior, with visas and those kinds of things. it's not at the u.s./mexico border in as great an amount. so it's a big, big number aided in part because the congressional budget office gave the original package a score that indicated there would be money saved. >> and john mccain was speaking on fox today, and, of course, he's a prime mover on this. let's watch. >> i think that this legislation should reassure anyone who is concerned about a lack of security on the border, is it more than i would have recommended? honestly, yes. but we have got to give people confidence. and by the way, if there is anyone who still will argue that the border is not secure after this, then border security is not their reason for opposing a path to citizenship for the people who are in this country illegally. >> allen gomez, that's the old

straight-talking john mccain. he's absolutely dealing with this. if you don't think that $25 billion more is going to secure the border, you're just afraid of those people of color coming over. >> yeah, a big part of getting this amendment through is to be able to say exactly what senator mccain said there. trying to put to bed any concerns about does this secure the border enough. but immediately there have already been criticisms it's not focusing on what they need to. talking about exit entry and being able to track who is in the country, who has overstayed their visa is a big priority. and another big sticking point in the senate so far coming from senator cornen of texas, senator sessions of alabama, is tryi requiring the government to prove the border is secured. even with this huge influx of troops, there is still nothing that says you have to stop 90% of people coming across the border before the 11 million undocumented -- >> it's that trigger. >> can can get to citizenship. >> what do you think the prospects are for a successful vote on the senate side? >> on the senate side, this does

an amazing thing to get to it over there. you have seen republicans lining up, expressing their support. kelly -- senator yaut from new hampshire signed up as a co sponsor. so this gets it to maybe that 70 that chuck schumer mccain have been hoping for. the question is if that sends a strong enough message for the house to do the same. >> overnight, the farm bill goes down. and the way i've been studying it, no matter how you cut it, failure to count votes, cantor coming out and undercutting the ag chairman who was managing it, the republican ag chairman, who had come up with compromises and was doing trades with the democrats and working its way, and then cantor comes out in what seemed to be a grandstandy way. and that jettisoned a number of democratic votes, because it went after the food stamp subsidies. so just seems as though on the republican side, they weren't thinking in a real leadership way of what do we need to get

this through. >> and everybody agrees, some sort of farm bill needs to happen. it's just too big a part of our economy, too many things at stake there. >> is it dead-dead now? >> there is an option of bringing the senate pass bill over and taking a vote on that. the benefit, had the house passed its own in the senate, then it would go to the conference where some of these differences could have been worked out. but a bill that fails effectively dies. and takes away another option to look for more common ground. there has been a lot of finger-pointing, saying democrats didn't come through with the votes they had promised. >> you cannot ask the minority party to produce. >> exactly. and i think that shows the inability to control their own conference by saying we had to rely on the democrats. the public may want bipartisan votes in this way. but when the votes don't come, the finger-pointing certainly doesn't set up an atmosphere for the next time around. >> kelly o'donnell, allen gomez, thank you very much both. and brazil's president has now called an emergency cabinet meeting after more than 1 million people poured into the streets last night in anti-government protests as the

country spends millions preparing for the olympics, of course, and the world cup. an 18-year-old was killed when a car hit a crowd of demonstrators. another 120 people were hurt in brasil brasilia, the nation's capital. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. easy-to-use platform.

no, thank you. we know you're always looking for the best fill price. and walk limit automatically tries to find it for you. just set your start and end price. and let it do its thing. wow, more fan mail. my uncle wanted to say thanks for idea hub. he loves how he can click on it and get specific actionable trade ideas with their probabilities throughout the day. [ male announcer ] open an account and get a $150 amazon.com gift card. call 1-888-280-0157 now. optionsxpress by charles schwab. call 1-888-280-0157 now. i'to guard their manhood with trnew depend shields and guards. the discreet protection that's just for guys. now, it's your turn. get my training tips at guardyourmanhood.com ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm working every day. ♪ ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm saving all my pay. ♪ small businesses get up earlier and stay later. and to help all that hard work pay off, membership brings out millions of us

on small business saturday and every day to make shopping small huge. this is what membership is. this is what membership does.

proponents of comprehensive immigration reform saw the good and the bad thursday as the senate is inching toward broad pipe support. and a house that demonstrated with the farm bill, bipartisan solutions or pathways to 218 votes on any bill could be an impossible task. south carolina congressman james clyburn is the assistant democratic leader and joins us now. mr. leader, thank you very much for being with us. you know how to vote count. what's the problem with some of your republican colleagues? >> well, first of all, thank you so much for having me, andrea. you know, i think that if you

look at the vote two days ago, yes, they had the votes two days ago. they did have the 40 democrats, and i was one of them. but after those meetings, all of a sudden, they started putting up these amendments. and it was just one partisan peelout after another. and every time you looked around, they were going a little bit more. $20 billion in cuts. $31 billion in cuts. cuts to the s.n.a.p. program, food stamps, if you please. one of the things people don't seem to understand, over 5,000 military families in 2011 qualify for food stamps and were receiving them. now, what is this about? this is about insulting people who often out there are defending this country, and/or

are in need of supplement to their incomes, and we're insulting them. and then we said to food stamp recipients, you can only get them if you take a drug test. we didn't say that to wealthy farmers who get subsidies, you've got to take a drug test. so why are we applying these different standards to people who are receiving governmental assistance? if wealthy people can get assistance for their farms without taking a drug test, why are we requiring low-income people to do the same, even if they're military and defending this country? that's the kind of stuff they are doing. it was insulting to us democrats, and we then began to whip against the bill. i know a little bit about whipping. >> you know a little bit about whipping in the legislative sense, you know how to count the votes and get people in line. but was there a breakdown on the

republican side in that from my reading, the agriculture committee floor managers were working with democratic counterparts to protect against deeper cuts in food stamps and other members of the leadership came in on top. and those agreements broke down. is that correct? or am i wrong? >> that is absolutely correct. mr. lucas, i thought, was doing a real good job working with mr. peterson. >> the republican ag leader, exactly. >> yes. the chair, chairman lucas, and, of course, the ranking member, peterson. they were doing a good job of working together, working with their caucuses. then all of a sudden you get so this called sutherland amendment, which would not be so bad, except that eric cantor came to the floor in support of the amendment. and then you get 61 people who voted for that amendment, and that was supposed to be the price of them supporting the bill. and then 62 republicans voted

against it. 61 of them are the people who voted for the sutherland amendment. now, that is some kind of a breakdown which defies the real explanation. i really can't explain how that happens. the speaker, the leader, seem to be working cross-purposes. and then all of a sudden he has the chairman of the committee, and i don't know where mccarthy, the whip was, in all of this. but something just was absolutely amateurish about this. >> is that the end of the farm bill, or do you think there is a chance to bring it back? >> well, my advice would be, bring up the senate bill. the senate has a bill over there, bring it to the floor. i think the speaker would be perfectly within his rights and with his responsibilities. get a rule. you can bring the rule from the rules committee with the senate

bill, put on the amendments that make sense. let us democrats have our amendments, your republicans have their amendments. and then let's put the amendments on the floor and let them rise or fall on their own weight. then whatever goes out will certainly be changed and it gets to conference. so the easy thing to do, to me, would be to put the senate bill on the calendar, let's vote on it wednesday or thursday, whatever amendments you put up. that's the easy way to get the farm bill done and do it before july 4th break. >> congressman jim clyburn, thank you very much. have a good weekend, sir. >> well, thank you. same to you. >> thanks. and the dow jones is fighting its way back, at least fighting its way back into positive territory midday after the opening bell. investors are hoping that any slight dip today doesn't turn into another nose dive. let's bring in our expert, cnbc's senior economics reporter, steve liesman and

preeminent fed watcher, as well. all of this did begin with the news conference you attended the other day with chairman bernanke, where he was indicating as everyone has known, we're going to begin to wean the economy from the stim -- the fed stimulus. and that apparently was the senate for a two-day selloff. >> yeah. the markets took chairman ben bernanke's guidance pretty badly, andrea. he came out on wednesday and he said, you know what, we're likely to end this quantitative easing, this purchases of assets we have had, to drive down long-term interest rates. we'll start to reduce it sometime later this year and end it a year from now. it was kind of funny, andrea, in that that was sort of what the market already knew. but bernanke hadn't said it and when he said when we hit a 7% unemployment rate, that will be a signal to stop pumping up the economy. he said you know what, that doesn't mean we're trying to tighten the economy, it just doesn't mean we're going to be adding to it.

but the market took those words hard. the big story, andrea, i think is the rise in interest rates which i think leads to a rise in mortgage rates out there. there are some mortgage rates now well over 4%. there have been some before that were below 3%. so that's something that could hit potential homeowners in a bad way. and then, of course, higher interest rates could filter in. but, again, it's probably well worth mentioning, interest rates remain historically very low. and some increase does not make them expensive by any -- by any possible means. >> we've all been spoiled with the near-zero rates for so long now. the other, of course, subtext, and it's not necessarily driving markets, but certainly what the president said to charlie rose on pbs was the most open statement signal that ben bernanke is probably -- told the white houseority treasury, rather that after the tough time that he's had, that he's probably ending his term when it ends rather than seeking a reappointment. so who is in line, do you think? what's your reporting showing? >> well, i think the odds-on

favorite out there, andrea is the vice chairman, janet yellen. but there are some other contendsers out there, including christina roamer, advising the president. larry summers' name comes up. roger ferguson, former vice chairman under allen greenspan of the federal reserve is another person who comes up. but right now i think yellen and probably christina roamer. and it's interesting, andrea. i think in today's world, this was not true maybe when paul volcker was appointed. today's world, you're going to have a monetary policy expert in that job. it's become much more of a technocratic position, if you will. and, i don't it's interesting to think about. would paul volcker even get the job today, given what the credentials out there, and roamer and yellen, among others, would be others to be considered to be academic monetary policy experts. >> of course, steve, you know better than anyone, we would not be having any conversation with

the thriving american economy, thrived for years, and at least now poised for a better revival without the legacy of paul volcker. >> that's definitely true, yeah. >> thank you, steve. we'll be right back. ican success story. i'm a teacher. i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer. and i shop at walmart. truth is, over sixty percent of america shops at walmart every month. i find what i need, at a great price. and the money i save goes to important things. braces for my daughter. a little something for my son's college fund. when people look at me, i hope they see someone building a better life. vo: living better: that's the real walmart. chantix... it's a non-nicotine pill. i didn't want nicotine to give up nicotine. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. [ mike ] when i was taking the chantix, it reduced the urge to smoke. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation,

depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these, stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which could get worse while taking chantix. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you develop these, stop taking chantix and see your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have a history of heart or blood vessel problems, or if you develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. use caution when driving or operating machinery. common side effects include nausea, trouble sleeping and unusual dreams. it feels wonderful. i don't smoke. i don't smoke. [ male announcer ] ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our history matter to you? because for more than two centuries,

we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. ♪ and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ [ male announcer ] moving object detection. ♪ blind spot warning. ♪ lane departure warning. safety, down to an art. the nissan altima with safety shield technologies. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪

the fallout from thursday's failed farm bill vote has house republicans and democrats pointing fingers at each other. but it may be speaker boehner who has taken the biggest hit. joining me now for our "daily fix"s in contributor, politics.com, and here "usa today" washington bureau chief, susan page. thanks very much. chris, you've been writing been what happened on the house side. we heard from jim clyburn, the democratic perspective. but it's fair to say there was a compromise worked out by the chairman and the ranking member, the republican and the democrat, on the agriculture committee who are managing the bill. and then all hell broke loose. >> yeah, well -- >> doesn't that sort of go back to the republican leadership?

>> yeah. look, republicans were insistent in the aftermath of the bill failing that colin peterson, the ranking member on the house agriculture committee, leading democrat, said he could deliver 40 votes. and 24 democrats wound up voting for it. still shall andrea, you know this from years of watching how congress works, the majority in the house should never lose a vote on the house floor, except under absolutely sort of extraordinary circumstances. they literally control the rules by which the bills are brought to the floor of the house. now, i know john boehner said he wants to have a more transparent process. i understand all of those things. but on something like the farm bill, you have to know if you're john boehner, majority leader, eric cantor or whip kevin mccarthy, you have to know, okay, we have this many in reserve in the event the democrats don't deliver all the votes they have. and if you don't have enough, or you think it's going to be

close, wait until you do have enough. it seems to me blocking and tackling 101, but goes back to a broader conversation we have all been having, which is this is a house republican conference set, i don't think can be led by anyone, certainly not right now by john boehner. but i'm not sure there's someone else you could put up who would be able to say, okay, we're all rowing the boat in this direction. >> and susan, we have yet to start digging through the outside influence of various groups, ideological groups, business groups. but the bottom line is, you cannot change the rules about food stamp cuts and expect democrats to fall back in line. >> right. definitely cost significant votes. and you know whose spine is now chilled by this farm vote, and that's advocates for the immigration bill. because getting that immigration bill -- getting any immigration bill through the house and then getting some compromised version out of the conference committee that could get to the house, that's going to require enormous skill, it's going to require twisting arms of republicans. who is going to do that? because it is clear that john boehner is not in a situation

where you can control his caucus and deliver them on a tough vote. immigration is a harder vote than the farm bill. so the idea that 70 votes -- you get 70 votes in the senate and gives you momentum to get through the house, i don't think that's going to apply. >> now, i want to switch subjects to maine. because maine, we know in the senate, has been -- there's a tradition of good governments from the senators from maine. we know olympia snow and susan collins and angus king subcommittee past bill cohen and george mitchell, a long history of maine producing wonderful public servants. about but then you come to governor paul le page. and chris and susan, i don't know how to explain this to people who haven't covered legislature. how do you have a governor now who has an edict that no one in his administration will even talk to reporters from the leading newspapers of the state to even give out a daily

schedule. public document. >> you know, there may be -- every governor in the country who wishes he or she could do this to the newspapers that write the stories about -- >> what is going on in maine? >> but -- well, he's a governor who is running for re-election is in some trouble. his approval rating earlier this year was 39%. that happens to be the vote he won with, when he won the governorship, because it was a three-way race. he needs this to be a three-way race next year for him to win re-electi re-election. one of the republicans most endangered governors. and, you know, relations like this with the -- with the respected newspapers in your state, man, that is a tough thing to explain to voters. >> and these newspapers, chris, are moamong the most respected, doing extraordinary work, which is exactly why he doesn't want to talk to them. >> part of the problem, and this is often the case when i always say people who are bad at tennis, don't blame the racket. you're just bad at tennis. >> why blame the racket, what the heck.

>> paul's problem is not the media. he does have a tendency to say impolitic things. he said another one this past week. and he is a lot less prktable than your average politician, andrea. i just read a story before i came on that he is now considering running for -- there's going to be an open house seat, because a guy named mike niccio, a democrat, is running for governor. he might flip-flop and run flip-flop with misho and the house seat. this is not your average politician in lots and lots of different ways. >> great. then we can have him here. thank you very much. chris, alyssa. >> i do my best. >> you do. and changes coming soon in the air. listen up. the faa is considering relaxing its ban on using personal electronic devices in flight. current rules require passengers to turn off all gadgets below 10,000 feet. but new recommendations may allow some electronic devices like e readers to remain on.

cell phones, though, will need to be turned off. doing? oh, hey. using night-vision goggles to keep an eye on my spicy buffalo wheat thins. who's gonna take your wheat thins? i don't know. an intruder, the dog, bigfoot. could you get the light? [ loud crash ] what is going on?! honey, i was close! it's a yeti! [ male announcer ] must! have! wheat thins! i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? we'll help you get there.

rescue workers have opened up a lot of dawn. ♪ they rely on it because it's tough on grease yet gentle. but even they'll tell you, dawn helps open... all: 3, 2, 1! [ male announcer ] ...something even bigger. this year, dawn is also donating $1 million to rescue efforts. go to facebook.com/dawnsaveswildlife. find out how the little things you do

can make a big difference. a half hour from now, president obama is going to be announcing the nomination of james comey to lead the fbi, best remembered in the debate over domestic surveillance, as acting attorney general under george w. bush. comey's reputation, though, is a fierce defender of the law, holds perhaps more relevance today as the nsa's once secret programs come under fire from republicans and democrats alike. joining me now, a critic of surveillance programs, democratic congressman from virginia, bobby scott. congressman, thank you very much for being with us. there's been a lot of talk over the last couple of days -- it's good to see you. i know we were on "meet the press" last week and i wanted to follow up and talk about the surveillance programs, because in the intervening days, we have seen testimony from the fbi director, outgoing director, director mueller, testimony from keith alexander, of successes, alleged successes, instances where they say terror plots were

averted. 50 plots, according to keith alexander. you still confident you were correct in voting against the fisa amendments permitting this program? >> well, the discussion has been on terrorism. and all of this information that's being gathered apparently every telephone call that's been made in the united states, it's supposed to be limited to information relevant to national security investigations and how there's any limitation on all phone records for five years, that leaves a lot to be desired. but one -- the question is, what do you use it for after you get it? if the limitation was it's just going to be used for terrorism, as director mueller indicated when he was before the house judiciary committee a couple of days ago, then that's an easier conversation. but when we asked others in the administration, attorney general gonzalez, he indicated that information that was gathered could be used in routine

criminal investigations. without probable cause of crimes or anything else. so i mean, there's a question of what you use it for. now, there's a different standard in getting information and what you use it for. there is a supreme court case just a few days ago on dna. if you're charged with sexual assault and they properly take your dna, they found out it's not you. okay. they can still keep your dna and run it through the database if they're curious as to whether or not you have committed a crime. now, they couldn't approach you and take your dna to see if you've committed a crime without probable cause. but once they've got it, apparently there is a different standard. so let's see -- let's get a little more precise on what they can use it for, because in those records, there's a lot of information, even though they -- they're saying they don't listen into the conversation, the fact that you have called a bankruptcy attorney or aids doctor or marriage counselor or they have all of the sources that you have been talking to, they have it. now who has access to it, and

what can you do with it? when we were doing this to begin with, they were complaining that the fbi didn't know whether the cia knew and everything and you need to spread this information all over town. if you have friends that are -- work for the local police station or the sheriff's office or people that work in the fbi, they may see some of this information. so we need to be a little more cautious on exactly what is being done with information after it's collected by law. not by little practice. they say we don't look into it. or we get another warrant if we're going to look into it. that's practice. we want to be clear on what the law permits and what it prohibits. >> i'm going to follow up here in a few moments with jerry mcbash who helped write the law. but i want to ask before i lose you, congressman, we are on the eve or brink of some major supreme court decisions next week, most likely, unless they extend. and two of them have huge significance, the voting rights act and also the whole question

of affirmative action and public higher education. i know your father was involved in richmond in higher education during desegregation. >> right, and he was on the school board of newport news during -- when brown v. board of education was decided. >> and how do you feel, just as a member of congress? we know it's a conservative corp, we don't know how they're going to rule, obviously taken longer than anyone expected to get back to that the texas case argued back in october. what would you say if you were speaking right now to tony kennedy or some of the deciding votes on the supreme court? >> well, if you prohibit race being used in an affirmative action way at all shall then you create a very curious situation, because any criteria that you use that has a discriminatory impact becomes illegal. now, you use things like legacy, when the school may have only admitted whites.

you give an advantage to those with legacy. and then you give those -- they've got this thing called developmental admits. if your parents look rich and the development department wants you in, then you get an advantage. all of these things may have discriminatory effects. but then you have affirmative action. so in a broad brush way, things work out. well, if you're not going to have any affirmative action, then anything you to thats a discriminatory intent becomes a target for a discrimination lawsuit. and i don't think anybody wants to -- wants to go there. and in voting rights, if you don't have section 5, you have southern states that haven't been able to pass a redistricting plan without discriminating. i mean, they always do it. i mean, and the idea that you can force a little county to raise money to protect their voting rights act after every discriminatory scheme that's come up with, sequential after

one right after the other, right after the other, without the preclearance, when these covered sections -- the covered areas got covered, what i call the old-fashioned way, they earned it by having in place schemes of -- with discriminatory effect. they earned that coverage, and to have the idea that they can benefit by discrimination after discrimination and force these little counties to raise money, if they can't raise the hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars to overturn unfair redistricting or any other scheme, then they're just stuck without their rights. that's -- that would be a major step back. >> bobby scott, congressman, thank you very much. good to talk to you. >> thank you. and joining me here at the table, jeremy bash, former chief of staff to leon panetta at both defense and cia. when you were on the hill in house intelligence, you were dealing with the rewritten patriot act and fisa provisions.

what we have seen with the new documents released guy the "guardian" the rules of the road are supposed restrict information aimed at domestic targets when sweeping up foreign conversations. yet at the same time, there are waivers. and there are a lot of cases where they can use and can then act on information on domestic targets if they are useful in criminal investigations or because of a threatened terror plot. . great to be back, andrea. let's break it down. this morning we saw out of the "guardian" and "washington post" two sets of documents posted. one are the guidelines approved by the court, by the federal court, that says that all these targets are overseas, not americans. the second document says that if americans' conversations are inadvertently collected in this surveillance, they have to be, quote, minimized, and that means they can't be disseminated, have to be blacked out, expunged, except in the rare case that information is relevant to a national security investigation.

now, i know there may be some people who don't want to have any of that in our database. but that's like driving down the road without a rear-view mirror. you basically can't see what has happened. so take the example of the chechen terrorist group. let's say three years ago we were tracking a chechen terrorist group and they cents an e-mail to two brothers in boston. and nothing went on, wasn't enough for the fbi to open a fuel field investigation, but the boston marathon bombings occurred. and now we want to go back and see whether that terrorist group had connections to the tsarnaev brothers. without a database, without that information in our database, we would never be able to make that link. >> i want to also ask you about james gandolfini, because leon panetta was portrayed by him in "zero dark thirty." i think we've got a clip, actually, from the movie, where you're actually portrayed as briefing the cia director. we can see you in the movie

briefing james gandolfini character. what contact did you have with him, if any, when leon was being portrayed by him? >> after the film came out, james gandolfini wrote secretary panetta a note. and i actually looked at it and opened it for the secretary and showed it to the secretary. and it said something to the effect that, hey, i'm an italian, if you're anything like me, you're probably upset at the way i did something in the movie and i apologize. leon panetta went back into his office, picked up the phone and called james gandolfini. >> i guess if you're the director of the cia, you can get through right away. >> secretary of defense at the time. but they had a great chat. and secretary panetta really thought he was a great actor. and they had a good laugh about how tough guys can have a heart of gold. and secretary panetta commented that he played him right. swear words and all. >> that was one of the things that was note worthy in the movie, because those of us who have been around leon panetta know, he's warm and cuddly, but he certainly has a good vocabulary. >> sure does.

>> i also want to ask you about the sort of failure of -- failure of american confidence and intelligence. because now we're hearing new questions being raised, whether or not the syrian chemical -- syrian regime was involved in chemical weapon use. the president said finally, somewhat reluctantly, agreeing with the british and the french and other intelligence services, that the red line was crossed. now they're coming back and saying, if you're not on the ground, you can't really trace the chain of evidence, but the syrians won't let the u.n. inspectors on the ground. have we reached a point where no assertion like this is going to go unchallenged, because of the failures on wmd ten years ago? more than ten years ago? >> there is an old saying in intelligence, paralysis by analysis. and sometimes you can't analyze a situation to death. here i think the intelligence community was highly confident. they felt that the red line had been crossed and so the president acted. >> jerry bash, thank you very much. because i'm here with all of you today, i'm not joining all of the other men and women at this

hour saluting barbara walters at the national press club. barbara is being honored todayta for breaking all of the barriers for we news women. even though i'm not there in person to toast her, let me just say, here's to you, barbara. is like hammering. riding against the wind. uphill. every day. we make money on saddles and tubes. but not on bikes. my margins are thinner than these tires.

anything that gives me some breathing room makes a difference. membership helps make the most of your cashflow. i'm nelson gutierrez of strictly bicycles and my money works as hard as i do. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. every day we're working to and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america. bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any other place in the world. in fact, we've invested over $55 billion here in the last five years - making bp america's largest energy investor. our commitment has never been stronger. mommy's having a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle.

the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not afraid to question the path they're on. because the one question they never want to ask is "how did i end up here?" i started schwab for those people. people who want to take ownership of their investments, like they do in every other aspect of their lives. a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to say? ♪

an all-woman jury has been chosen to decide whether george zimmerman is guilty or not of second-degree murder as charged in the shooting death of trayvon martin. he, of course, says it was self-defense. ron mott joins me now. what can we expect as the trial is set to open on monday? >> reporter: hey, andrea. there are probably a few nervous lawyers here in seminole county. while we await the word on whether she's going to allow this testimony from audio experts in this case. the prosecution wants it in because they have experts who say that it is trayvon martin screaming for his life on that 11 call. the defense would like to bar that information from getting

into the court. we're going to know hopefully by the end of the day. the court said she would like to get that done by today. opening arguments are going to be on monday. over the weekend, these lawyers will be preparing for these opening arguments. they'd like to know whether this information will be allowed in this testimony. andrea? >> ron mott, thank you so much. we'll be talking to you monday, i'm sure. we'll be right back. s our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading. their quick trade bar lets my account follow me online so i can react in real-time. plus, my local scottrade office is there to help. because they know i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. i'm with scottrade. (announcer) scottrade. voted "best investment services company."

[ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪

chris is back with us. within the hour, we're going to hear the nomination of james comey, the new fbi director. a big appointment, especially now given all the controversy over surveillance. this is going to be a confirmation that going to be very closely watched, chris. >> very much so, andrea. let's not forget james comey, long history. this is the guy at the bedside of john ashcroft during a very, very interesting piece of history that will get revisited. yeah, he's certainly coming into office at a very difficult time. >> and that does it, chris, for us for today and for this week.

a very special bittersweet moment because this is the final show for our extraordinary line producer bridget flanagan. she's been promoted to a big new job. she has been with me from the beginning, six years in full, before we were even "andrea mitchell reports." bridget, you have been amazing. you're only going to be a phone call away, but we will miss you. we love you dearly. happy trails. my colleague tamron hall has a look at what's next. >> bridget a fellow texan. that's why i love her. in just a few hours before the final closing bell for the week, stocks are reacting for a third day to the possibility the fed will soon start pulling back its stimulus. we'll take a look at what's going on today, how the week is ending. plus, investigators go back to the home of patriots star aaron hernandez just a few days after questioning him in connection with the death of a man less than a mile from his home. we'll tell you about a new report that says the patriots

want him to stay away from their field. and paula deen just announced on twitter that she will very soon release a video statement at any moment. her first comments after admitting she uses or used racial slurs and after cancelling a big interview on the "today" show this morning. i'm the next american success story. working for a company where over seventy-five percent of store management started as hourly associates. there's opportunity here. i can use walmart's education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it, or be an engineer, helping walmart conserve energy. even today, when our store does well, i earn quarterly bonuses. when people look at me, i hope they see someone working their way up. vo: opportunity, that's the real walmart. from capital one... boris earns unlimited rewards for his small business. can i get the smith contract, please? thank you. that's three new paper shredders. [ boris ] put 'em on my spark card. [ garth ] boris' small business earns 2% cash back

on every purchase every day. great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. read back the chicken's testimony, please. "buk, buk, bukka!" [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. choose 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase every day. told you i'd get half. what's in your wallet?

right now on "news nation," president obama moments away from officially announcing his pick for fbi director, the new chief set to take over the bureau as it faces major pressure over drones and phone surveillance. investigators back at the home of patriots star aaron hernandez today amid reports police have surveillance video of hernandez with a man the night before that man was found dead. plus, paula deen takes to her twitter account to announce she's about to