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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> did you trip over something? a prison inmate is covering up his own brutal beating.
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>> murray denies any ties to gangs, and decided to file a grievance. >> it's not a gang. it does not promote gang mentality or any criminal elements at all. it's a religion based on the virtue and knowledge. >> the ban also has. stopped murray from recruiting new members. his latest, william jones, jr. >> he's been teaching me about what the hammer means, what the
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different gods and goddesses are. >> jones, who also denies being a white supremist, came to wabash three years ago at age 18. he was sent tensed to six years for burglary. >> i was hanging out with the wrong people, strung out on drugs and broke into a house. i took a tv and a bunch of other little items, took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he robbed was his father's. >> my dad called the police and said i strongly believe it was my son. >> jones said he would like to rebuild a relationship with his father and will soon have the chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> why would you enjoy the weather, man? you get to enjoy all that when
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you go home, next week. >> next thursday. >> he wants to be influenced, because he's still being molded as a man. he's still a kid and turning into somebody. >> delivering papers. >> no, that's just temporary. just long enough for me to find a job. >> i'm glad you have aspirations. coming up -- >> i got a $100 million tattooed on any penis. >> two boyhood friends, now cellmates, find themselves at a crossroads. i'm asking you, miss moore, to open your heart. >> leonard tries to rehab his image. >> i treat him with respect, but i do not trust him.
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needs me. i've been spending a lot of time away from me. i can't say i've always been the best for them. as a matter of fact, their lives probably would be a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash valley correctional facility is isolated among miles of corn and soybean fields in southwestern indiana. some of the state's most violent inmates are housed here, and they've been known to hurt each other. james has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder, and he's had more than a few scrapes in that time. while some have been known to create knives out of toothbrushes, several years ago when stone was at another prison, he created another
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weapon. >> the cheese graters, i took pads off the inside of welding gloves, dipped them in varnish, let it dry, drip back down in the varnish, then went to a drill press, i dipped down in a punch of them so it looked like a metal bush on top of my gloves. then i ran them through the top layer of the top varnish in the can and let them dry on your hands while your hands stayed balled up. once they dry, they last forever. every time you hit someone, it's like taking cheese through a cheese grater. it's like making slaw. >> once boyhood friends on the
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outside, they now rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met like at different places we hung out when we was what, 13, 14 maybe. >> at the latest, maybe even 12. >> robbie is serving six years forearmed robbery and is no stranger to prison. >> i'll be 23 in a couple of days. with parole violations, all together i've came to prison five times. if i keep coming, it's going to be for a long time and i don't want that. i really don't have nobody out there. i wish i had someplace to go. i wish i could get on my feet, get a job and live life productively. this ain't for me. >> up like his boyhood friend, who has been in and out of prison five times, this is
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bradley napier's first time behind the walls, but as a juvenile, he was twice placed on house arrest. now he's serving 16 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> when i heard my sentence, i was crying. >> at 18, getting 16 years, you know, it seemed like forever. it seemed like oh, man, i ain't ever getting out. >> we've got a good relationship. we talk to each other crazy, smack each other around when nobody is looking. >> it's always good right afterwards. >> even though they're from the same hometown, their lives in prison would make it seem like they're from different sides of the track. >> his tv is an older model. mine is one of the flat screens. it's expensive, but it's just a
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bigger picture. everything in here is ours. it's not -- whatever is mine is his, whatever is his is mine. >> thanks to support from his family, he also has more money to spend on the commissary, so once a week, he loads up for the two of them. >> he eats half of everything. oh, man, he needs to carry half of everything. robbie! >> why would you just grab that? >> all the commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it 6r789 >> he doesn't have a lot of things going for him that i have. so it's hard for him to stay on the right past. >> one thing he does have is an
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abundance of tattoos. >> i got these praying hands for my dad. that's my mom's name and the heart, honor they mother and father. then i got my south side done. over here is money bags. some naked girls. everybody likes naked girls and money. >> don't you have a $100 bill? >> i do got a $100 bill tattoo. >> where's that at? >> it's crazy. i got a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> so what do you tell the girls about that? >> it's money to blow. >> the imagery on his body only tells part of his story. it's the pictures he keeps tucked away in a photo album that tell the rest. >> how often do you look at that? >> every night. >> he has. seen his son in more than two
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years. he's had a contentious relationship with his son's mother. >> since i came back to prison, we got into it when i came back and i ain't seen him at all. it's been 26 months ago. >> napier is also the father of a young boy, 2-year-old bradley jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. there was another little thing that came with it. it's any world, my whole life. >> like other aspects of their friendship, their relationships to their stops are also marked by a have and have not quality. napier enjoys regular visits with his child. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what he's going through not seeing any son. >> there ain't no reason behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we're in two different places. >> while he longs for a visit with his son, markus murray has
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been playing father figure and teaching his religious beliefs to william jones jr. >> when you're hanging out at the house and you realize you got bills to pay or something like that and somebody comes over and they offer the opportunity for you to, you know, make a little bit of easy cash, go rob something, things go bad. things break bad. people get involved. people that weren't supposed to be there with shotguns come out and you get killed. you end up being another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> i'm not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i have taken under my wing that get out before i do and they get out there and they mess up. in fact, i lost a friend about six years ago, justin. he got shot by a police officer in indianapolis.
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so i feel like i failed him. >> i promise i will send you a card every month. but if you come back, i will send a blanket party your way. >> i'm not coming back. >> all right. thank you. coming up, leonard mcway gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought i had lost my mind. later, marcus murray lashes out when a church member says the wrong thing. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ].
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every day, islamic prayers can be heard drifting from the cell from leonard in indiana. >> five times a day, it's mandatory for muslims all over the world, five times a day. >> he's serving 60 years for the
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murder of a corrections officer at another indiana state prison 16 years earlier. since then, he's been in administrative segregation. whale he says the koran has helped him grow spiritually -- >> this is my weight bag, where every day i do me some curls. i do these, i do what they call shrugs. i do these. i do the back of the arms like this. like this. it's probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> he's spent years trying to earn his way back into general population, but his try as a violent offender continues to
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haunt him. >> i basically engaged in what i consider to be an emotional response to being disrespected. >> i was warned, when i came into this job regarding offender he yard mcway. he's very smart and very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> those beverly gillmore has raised serious questions about his trustworthiness, she recrennelly made a controversial decision. after mcway completed a life skills program, she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought i had lost my mind. i would never, they say, let him get out of his cell.
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and i said, let's give him a chance. i talked to leonard. i said one time, buddy, you pass a scrap of paper to another offender, you will be without your job. we are watching him more closely than any of them. these i am, because i've got something to prove, because i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing, your behavior must change. and i believe my behavior has changed. >> he hopes a positive job performance will help him win his transfer and his fate will be determined at his next review. >> the bottom line is, i'm still somebody that deserves respect, to be treated like a human being. and if it's given to me, i'll give it. treat me like a human being, give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal, and you'll receive the same.
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coming up -- >> i don't have nothing against him. >> and then hears about it later. >> you sank my boat.
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here's what's happening. a computer problem has forced southwest airlines to ground all of its departing flights. the system went down more than three hours ago. a new wave of protests in brazil friday night. 1,000 people are demonstrating against poor health services, corruption and low wages. and brazil's president broke her silence to address their grievances. she warned, however, against acts of violence. now back to "lockup."
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isolated in rural southwest indiana, the wabash valley correctional facility is more than 100 miles from a major urban center. but it has plenty of reminders of urban problems behind its walls. >> wabash valley has approximately 43 different gangs and around 400 different gang members. that doesn't reflect all of our suspected members. those are all confirmed members. and we have somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. but the majority of gang members here belong to white supremist gangs like the arian brotherhood. prison officials suspect that a growing religious movement known as asatru might be a front for white supremist gangs. marcus murray, one of asatru's
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leaders, denies that. >> there's never been anything in my studies that says one race is more dominant than another, nor one religion dominant over another. asatru believers believe that our religion is fine, your religion is type. >> guy ratcliff, who has been practicing asatru, says there is one group that is not welcome. >> if we found out somebody would be a child molester, he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. you cannot be a sex offender and be an asatru. >> ratcliff defielded tended th that some members have a swastika tattooed on their bodies. >> it was around a long time before adolf hitler came around. i don't have nothing against
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uncle adollf, but he took something from my religion, which was a sup wheel, and made it part of his party. they had a swastika in persia, way before national socialism. >> his comments disturbed murray, who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk about this with you. i'm sorry, marcus. i [ bleep ] up. i'm sorry. i apologize. damn it. try not to get mad at me, man. >> it's hard not to. you just sank my boat. >> later, we told murray we recorded his exchange with ratcliff and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad.
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i mean, he didn't mean any harm. he just, you know, ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles and i think now that he has seen, you know, that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators. to appeal their ban on group worship with asatru members. robbie faces a different challenge. he not only feels isolated from his young son, but from his boyhood friend, who just happens to be his cellmate. >> my celly is a great dude, i've known him for years, even before we came to prison. but i've got my problems that i
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ain't seen my son in two years and [ bleep ] he gets to tripping and acting like he knows how i feel when he has. seen his son for a week. he gets visits every week. everything he can get in here, he gets it. >> serving six years forearmed robbery, he wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance, because i've had a lot of wrong done to me. i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built up when i got it. i'm hoping i can let things go. it ain't worth coming back to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her. she's tolding my son from me. >> but that could be changing.
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a recent letter are indications she's planning to bring his son to see him. >> this ain't the first time she said she's going to visit or let me be in his life. then she falls off again. so i'm not really going to get my hopes up. last time i seen him, he couldn't walk or talk. i can't wait to see him. >> while he clings to the hope the visit will take place, his cellmate, brad napier, is enjoying one of his regular visits with his 2-year-old son, brad jr., and his son's mother, jessica corn. >> score a touchdown. >> say touchdown. >> touchdown. >> bradley talks about his bad all the time. when we pull up and he sees that guard tower, that's daddy's house. so inside, you're like, great, he sees the guard towers and thinks of his dad. but in another sense, that is his dad's house. >> this type of one on one is
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rare in most maximum security prisons, where visits typically take place in a large common area choked with noise and distractions. but napier's session is in a private play room, part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> the fatherhood program is great, because i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room and everything is great. it's one on one, me and him running around, playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator, joshua cullens. >> they have a responsibility is what we're trying to teach them. even though they're in prison, that doesn't give them a copout not to be a dad. >> you're okay, bud yif. get up. >> come on. he hit his head. let me kiss it. tell daddy to kiss it. >> you'll be all right.
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>> say i'm beast mode. >> you're all right. >> glad to see you. have a seat. >> following each visit, napier undergoes a review. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think, you know, when he starts crying, i tell him get up, you're fine. he's raised by a whole bunch of women, and little boys raised by a whole bunch of women get babied and i don't want him to grow up getting babe yesterday. i want him to have a little bit of toughness, because the world is tough. just get up, you've got to go on any way. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry and okay for you to say he's okay. and then address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from just, okay, quick fix, let's get him on to something else. it's okay to acknowledge he's
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crying and find out why and move on. do you understand? >> i fully understand. >> appreciate you coming in. >> i like to hear insight on what people think about how i am as a father. i'm going to give it some thought, but i know how to be a father. i've done good with it, you know? coming up, williams jones says goodbye to his mentor and hello to life on the outside. >> don't come back. >> and leonard argues for a transfer out of confinement. >> give me a chance, that's all i need.
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people forgot about me, man. acting like i'm dad. y'all keep it going. help me stay strong and you don't even know it. you know.
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>> as the predawn darkness hangs over indiana's wabash valley correctional facility, most of the 2,200 convicted felons housed here will treat it as one more routine day of incarceration. but not william jones jr. today, after three years, he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave, but it sucks to have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he most hates to leave behind is his spiritual mentor, marcus murray, serving 60 years for murder. >> it's going to be hard, dude. >> going to miss me, you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> while jones spends his final
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moments in prison, just outside the walls, his older brother casey, and casey's family, arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm just glad i get to pick him up and not have to leave him here. i've been up here like eight different toims and had to leave. it was hard. >> have a good one. >> appreciate it. >> good luck. stay out of here. >> it feels different. i guess there's nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right. >> being in jail is not real cool. i don't like it. >> what's your name? >> jones. >> here's your clothes. >> thank you. >> get your property and we'll escort you out of here.
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release from gate two. let's go. >> be right with you, ma'am. >> come on, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you anymore. >> i ain't coming back. >> get him, sissy. >> let me do the honors. >> cigarettes are in the car. >> take picture. >> oh, man, that's good. finally. >> all right, everybody in.
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>> while jones savers his first moments of freedom, back inside wabash, convicted murderer leonard mcway fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a review hearing to determine if he's ready to be released back in general population from administrative segregation, the only world he's known for the past 16 years. >> you're going all the way out with you, ain't you? >> all right. >> the prospect of mcway, the killer of a correct sthupal officer, being released back into population has some staff on edge. >> he comes off as a very well spoken, quiet individual. that being said, he does have the conduct history with the assault on staff, the murder charge of a staff member from a previous facility. so even though he does come across as a quiet individual, you have to keep that in mind.
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>> he's so evil now. they so barbaric, putting all them chains on that guy. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect, but i do not trust him. >> the last time he had a review with his case manager, she approved his request for a job. he hopes he can now persuade her he's ready for general population. >> hello, mr. mcquay. >> i got my presentation for my review. >> what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look, not only at my past, violent
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behavior, and my new, more humbled progressive behavior. and i believe that i've made some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right, leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually have soaked this in and believe it down into the bone and marrow? >> i'm asking you, miss gilmore, and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please, give me a chance. that's all i need. and i won't let you down. >> i will summarize that in a statement. thank you. >> all right.
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they got reason to be concerned because of, you know, prior incidents, you know, associated with me and the only way that they can see that i'm not only a changed man, but i'm ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance, and that's what i'm hoping for. coming up, marcus murray defends asatru. >> you have a salute. kind of like a lot of white supremists do. >> no, sir. >> and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay.
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♪ this is my little boy right around my birthday. here is the day he was born.
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i don't know. this [ bleep ] is hell. >> robbie has within in prison for a little more than two years. in all that time, he hasn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old some. recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent. but now the child's mother, represented in a tattoo on his arm, has changed her plans. >> all she's been talking about for the past 2 1/2 months, i'm going to bring trey down there. now all of a sudden, she's too busy. i think i'm going to turn her into a clown. >> don't do that. >> i will turn her into a clown. >> he's just talking [ bleep ]. he loves that girl. >> she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> he's just talking [ bleep ]. >> later, he revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that
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happened before he returned to prison. something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery, and i haven't seen him since then, which was -- yeah, that's the last time i seen him was the night that that happened. >> he can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today, marcus murray is hoping to make a big change on the inside. >> how are you doing? >> he miled a grievance to have asatru removed from the prison's list of threat groups or gangs. today, security threat group coordinator robbie marshal and jack hendricks have granted a hearing. >> if you saw someone coming into your community or into your services with ill-will or intent
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to participate in a threat, what would you say? >> i would tell them to go back from where they came. there is no reason to bring ill-will in. it's a sacred place. if one person is sick in the group, we're all sick. if you're in the community, you have a say so. if it's anything that's kind of, you know, controversial, it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate? >> say somebody had a new idea how we salute each other -- >> you say salute, are you talking about greeting. >> like particular hand shakes, like as a fraternalty, people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you referred to as a salute. can you show me what that refers to? >> no, i never said that. >> no, no. >> oh, you mean, we say hail sa
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which means hello. >> so you weren't referring to a salute like white supremists do what the hitler salute? >> no, sir. >> what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one, regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, nationality, origin or of their religion. >> do you have a minority in a leadership role? >> no. >> if that opportunity arose, would you allow that to happen? >> yes, i would. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> a final decision would still be weeks off. but the wait is over for leonard. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him, but when you really sit
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down and you really listen off of the unit, when he thinks that you can't hear him talking, some of the things that he talks about negative towards staff, when a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cell house, he was applauding. so that's a telltale sign that he's not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind on a unit like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. to i'm saying i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back here in solitary confi confinement, i can't do that.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. i don't beat around the bush when it comes to the racist term. i'm absolutely a racist. >> inmates find themselves in racial conflict. >> he and two white offenders were involved with assaulting a black offender. >> anything can pop off from this situation, you know? you've got haters everywhere you go. >> but some seek conflict elsewhere. >> child molesters are the crap on the bottom of my boot if i were out tending stalls. >>

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