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dayton, ohio. a plane has crashed at an air show at the dayton international airport. it happened just a short time ago. witnesses say a plane carrying a wing walker was trying a maneuver of some sort when that plane hit the ground and burst into flames. waety is the breaking news reporter for the news. she joins me now on the telephone. i understand that you watched it live on the internet, is that correct? >> yes. we were watching it here in the news room. >> what can you tell me about what happened? >> well, we don't have any official word on the condition of either of them. we have not, however, seen any medics remove anybody from that scene. we're waiting on the official word about fatalities. and i watched it. the plane was doing an inverted move, it was upside down. she was sitting on what would be the bottom of the wing facing front.

and the plane all the sudden just dipped into the ground and exploded on impact. >> and again, she was sitting on the wing as the plane crashed? >> yeah. she was sitting on the wing. she was completely exposed. >> when the plane crashed, was there debris that flew into the stands? any spectators being hurt. >> not that we know of. it looks like it was pretty far from the crowd when it happened. >> we are watching very closely this plane crash at an air show in dayton, ohio. we're going to continue to monitor that story and update you over the next few hours. meanwhile new developments in the nsa leak case, edward snowden. the former nsa worker who has admitted to leaking secrets. he's now facing espionage.

>> they are not responding, but i can tell you that congressman peter king has backed these charms and we expect bipartisan support for the charges that are brought against edward snowden. and it was partially unsealed on friday. here's what we can tell you about the charges specifically. snowden facing three counts, theft of government property as well as violating two espionage laws that make it a crime to reveal classified information to anyone who hasn't had clearance to get that information. now each of those carries a maximum of ten years in prison. they're reporting that u.s. officials and officials in hong kong have been going back and forth to make sure that the complaint adheres to the extra

decision treaty between the yates and hong kong. the big question is what happens now. we can tell you that the united states has asked hong kong to arrest snowden. it's not clear exactly where he is hiding out. once that happens, u.s. officials will set in motion the extra decision process. snowden has said he will fight that process. it is something that will go on for several months and it will be governed by chinese law. and legal experts expect to drag out for quite a while. again, they don't know where he is and they hadn't even gotten to that step. >> thank you. on what happens next in the snowden case, thank you for that. i want to bring in gayla money, kt director of -- >> great to see you. >> assuming snowden can be found and assuming he can be arrested,

how easy is it going to be to extra diet him to this country? is it going to be as difficult as it sounds like it's going to be? >> it sure does. it seems like there are any number of escape pads and first of all whether iceland is an option for him. and what happens in terms of the court case, how long does it take, does china get involved? how happy will the relationship be between the conversations hong kong and the united states. and i think right now there are more questions than answers. the ohm certain thing is that the united states government would like to see his 30th birthday the last one in which he's a free man. >> do the charges fit this crime? >> it is such an interesting question. and i think what is so fascinating about this administration, 2/3 of the indictments have coming during this administration. they are not shy about defining that fairly broadly.

and i think this is just another case of that. >> let's pivot here. the secretary is facing two foreign policies on this trip. and he talks with the taliban and afghanistan. kerry himself is not expected to meet the with the taliban while he's there. but they could have talks. what if anything can we expect from those talks? >> that -- these talks have gone off on stop and start for years. and i think right now we are the closest to start that we have been in several years. but whether they actually happen, how productive they end up being, i think that is an open question. embassy dobens is going to have these conversations if all the pathwayed open up. he's now the person in charge of afghanistan and policy for secretary kerry.

and what they want is to start a dialogue that will eventually lead for a durable peace. whether this round of talks is going to be the magic round that actually breaks through, i think state department officials are really holding their breath. this week started very magically with everybody full of harmony and peace. and then a day later they were pulling out of the talks. >> secretary kerry is also going to be meeting with representatives of 11 nations to talk about syria, to coordinate aid to the rebel forces. this morning he kwunsd to call for a political solution to the crisis. take a listen. >> the only real solution to the problem of syria is a political solution. we don't believe there's a military solution. certainly not one that produces the syrian people as the winner. >> is it too late for a peaceful

political solution in syria? >> the state department says no. but the truth is, when you talk to state department officials about when gentlemen knee have a is going to happen, no one can give you a date. so right now, the idea is could weapons on the gronsd or could the arming of the rebels change the equation. but you have the united states sort of with light arms and much more hesitant about going all in on its side. so whether the arming of the rebels is enough to change the equation on the ground and actually push people to the negotiating table, right now it's unclear. i think the united states is trying to get to the goldly locks policy, where it's just right. and now now it looks more like a mess. >> always appreciate your

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to our saturday political edlines. barack obama mom mated comey as

the next fbi director. once served under president george wx bush. towering over his predecessor. he had kind words to say about his legacy. >> i must be out of my mind to be following bob mueller. i don't know whether i can fill those shoes. but i know that however i do, i will be standing truly on the shoulders of a giant. someone who has made a remarkable difference in this country. >> the nonpartisan congressional budget office crunched the numbers and concluded that passing the immigration bill will boost the economy. >> court to this independent report, reforming our immigration system would reduce our deficits by almost a trillion dollars over the next

two decades and boost our economy over more than 5%. >> and july first, that's the day the rates on many student loans will spike. they passed the speaker john boehner's bill that would put them 2.5 percentage points above the rate and -- he's frustrated with democrats not for getting on board. >> the president has failed to talk about this issue and hasn't lifted a finger to push his own party to pass his own proposal. the time for games is up. i think our kids deserve better. and the democrats need to get their act together so we can prevent these rates from doubling on july 1st. >> student loans are not the only piece of highly contentious legislation in d.c. right now.

the republican led house didn't past the -- deep cut to food stamps combined forces to kill the bill. how does this body for issues like student loans. i'm joined now by two panels. you have been covering all the back and forth on student loans. you wrote just yesterday with less than two weeks before subsidized student loan interest rates double, they're finding common ground on a compromise involving cap on rates while also tying themg to the market. are we looking at another 11th hour deal on this. >> yeah. if anything is going to get done, it's going to happen in the 11ed hour. you have a small group of bipartisan group of senators who are trying to come together to

craft some sort of compromise so that they can act before the rates increase from 3.4% for 6.8 in july. a number of democratic senators who are opposed to the idea of tying the rates to the treasury note, they seem acme kabl or that they would go along with that kind of plan. but capping the rates, that's nonnegotiable for them. >> let's go back to the farm bill. they didn't deliver the votes they were promised. republicans were way short opposite their own bill any way it seems. what happened in the simplest of terms and what might it mean for future legislative debates going forward. >> basically it don't pass and it didn't pass because you didn't have enough republicans voting for it when you combined those with who were opposed to

it with the democrats that were opposed to it. the house version of the bill would have splashed about $20 billion out of the food stamp program which was a bridge too far for the democrat. and the senate would only cut about $4 billion in the next decade. let's just cut a little less. now 20 billion and 4 billion there's a lot of daytime there. and it's not clear whether they'll even be able to get a deal. this will be a big issue, not only for republicans who live in med western and rule states. but also as you mentioned, if you can't get a must passed farm bill done, how can you expect them to get immigration done? and speaker boehner is probably going to face the decision. if he ignores a bill, he's going to face a lot of criticism.

>> i want to play a clip here and then talk about it on the other side. take a listen. >> you said that you won't move a bill on immigration on the house floor without a majority of the gop support. why? >> i think big issues here in our country need to be done in a bipartisan basis. what i said, we need a majority of both parties to work together in a constructive way to deal with our broken legal immigration system and the problem with illegal immigration. >> on immigration, how much sway does the speaker boehner actually have within his own party right now? >> i mean, i think the farm bill defeat really illustrates and highlights the limit of that. you had over 62 republicans who voted against that piece of legislation saying it wasn't conservative enough. even when you have a piece of legislation that includes that

many cuts to programs like food stamps, if it can't sway those conservative members it's questionable whether you would be able to get any kind of immigration reform that provides some sort of pathway to legalization. >> thanks to both of you. i want to continue this conversation right now by bringing in kate dawson is who the former chair of -- rick parry's presidential campaign. and most noticeably, a fellow south carolina. let he pose the same question to you. inside the party right now, what kind of stature does john boehner have? >> boehner is still well respected. they won't voting against john boehner, they were voting against i guess business as usual in washington. and it had subzaers for wood-burning heat products. the big one i got was sheep and

goat herder marketing subsidiaries. the same thing came to the conservative wing to the republican party that we loaded it up with pork one more time. it was easy to see, you had urban democrats and rule republicans voting for their con stit win siz. those things happened, it happened to nuts beginning risch. and we'll move on and get a decent farm bill. >> how do you get a decent farm bill out of a gop controlled house when it seems like the conservative parts of your party, the skefbtive members of your house have so much sway compared to the likes of moderates like john boehner. >> thief coming back home. and you've been in south carolina and some of the deep south. they're coming back home where they continue to hear we don't have a revenue problem in washington, we have a spending

problem. and both of them, most of these people have to go home and explain what they're doing to spending in washington and this is part of that explanation. i don't think this was a rebuick of john boehner. i think he's well represented and doing a good job. it's a tough job herding a whole pack of cats in washington. >> wet cats. >> yeah. mad cats. >> rand paul. he's becoming increasingly high profile inside the gop. he's heading a state dinner next week. this weeks washington post, they asked if rand paul is going mainstream or vice versa, what most explains the new seriousness with which paul is being regarded is request for the identity inside the republican party. is his rise in the ranks a

reflex of the party that's till in disarray? >> we lost the last election. i fie ransd paul is finding his space. how big that space is is yet to be defined. he's got the talking points. but the big light or the presidential light that looks like that's where he's headed hasn't shined on him exactly. >> what do you mean by that? >> i think the jury is out on rand paul. the vote 99 to 1 on a decision and he's the loan vote. those things start mattering? >> so you think he maybe too fringed to be a serious contender. >> i think once we get competition, once you get more people in there and it becomes a republican race, i think that light is going to shine pretty brightly. and when you start having talent up against you in debates, i think he'll have trouble.

>> let's talk about the immigration bill. now that thief come out and said this thing would be a boost to the economy. what kind of effect should rand paul or hard line conservatives, what kind of say should they have on the im dprags bill? >> just like any, senator demint is certainly a respected, and rand paul is cut from the same cloth. i think with the immigration debate, some people will suspect those. i think at the end of the day, the republican party is going to decide are they going to take a big stance and big chance to get this bill passed. i hope they do. i hope for the sake of america and what we have. and when you took a look at it, we finally for once of republicans threw a lot of money at something. when you're talking about 20,000

employees, i always said let's take -- but my point is, on a serious bases is you're going to have to secure the boarder for the 62 that just voted against the fampl bill, you're going to have to secure the border to sas fie the republicans. >> always good to see you. john stewart, taking a break from his hosting of the popular late night show. but he did find time to stop by the daily show last night. he and on the show with a black cloth over his head. the audience applauded wildly when his identifity was revealed. he was even jailed on allegations that he insulted president's --

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we'll keep you up to day. we're also following breaking news in texas on this saturday afternoon where a part of the ekwek treeian complex at texas a&m collapsed. but let me tell you about texas right now. in texas, again, part of the ekwes treeian complex has collapsed there. injuring four construction workers, three of them critically. a university spokesman said the school officials there are looking at the damage. the complex was under construction we're told at the time of fgt collapse. meanwhile, crews in colorado are fighting more than a dozen wildfires across the state. so far in colorado, 42,000 acres have been destroyed. officials are optimistic. they say they're optimistic that they can protect the tourist town of south fork colorado. we'll keep you up to date on what's happening in colorado as

well. and food network star paula deen is under fire for using racial slurs, now she's apologizing. yesterday, she released three apology videos. >> i am so sorry. i was wrong, yes. i've worked hard and i've made mistakes, but that is no excuse. and i offer my sincere apology to those that i have hurt. and i hope that you forgive me. >> we're going to take a closer look at the apology and what it means for paula deen's brand coming up in our next hour. joshua due bau, his cover story on news weeks website is an absolute must read. it's a stark look at the crisis of low income black males being left behind.

from the article, why talk about this world. after all, it's simple enough to ignore. we can safely talk these men away in our inner cities and allow them to interact among themselves. we can murmur slightly when the nightly news tells us of you a shooting across town. yet if we're hoechkt when one single group of people is left behind, it never bodies well as society as a whole. our panel here to talk about this, thanks to both of you for being with me. mark, let me start with you. more blacks on probation, parole or prison than were slaves back in the mid 1800s. it cited the problem as racially

biased -- it's included in a study by by the american civil union, it shows that the problem of racially biased arrests is far more extensive than was previously known and is getting worse. the costly ill-advised war on marijuana might be described as a tool of ratio pregs. >> the criminal justice system and the policies we've embraced over the last 30 years plays a significant role. about four out of every five drug arrests are for simple possession of drugs. and this is not and should not be a debate about the criminal justice division. but the book so notes and the article so notes, the criminal justice system is a center piece if we're serious about trying to confront the fact that we have

locked out and left out black men in this country. >> reducing racial despairize. there's a movement afoot to make prison populations considerably smaller even in red states. are we witnessing a sea change of sorts in of in how we approach incarceration. >> we've got to work to sustain the conversations. these conversations become blips on the screen. ever so often there's a article in a mainstream newspaper but this takes place at the community level each and every day. we're doing our part called the urban youth empowerment program where we're working with those involved in the criminal justice system, both juveniles and adults in 17 cities. that's something, but it's only a start. we need a bigger conversation. and we've got to confront this very directly. this is a morale outrage.

>> and in the article, you say, quote, drug dealers, gang organizers, they're all natural business man, they get up early, work late and hustle. but they have misplaced values and terrible role models. how do we go about harnessing that misplaced talent. >> the first thing we do is recognize they have talent. and they have done things that are immoral and wrong and they need to pay their debt to society if that is the case. i'm not talking about the minor crimes. and i want to comend you on your great work. some does serious crime they need to go pay their debt to society in a very big way they may be immoral and wrong, but they're not stupid. they understand security, territory, you're talking about people with natural hustle and

skills with bad role molzs an a horrible business plan. and i'm convinced than when i grew up, he went one way and fortunately i was plesed to go over. i'm no better than my neighbor. but today, i employ almost 200 people, 20 million dollar annual budget and meet a payroll ever two weeks and adding to america. we're taking the young people and locking them up and throwing away the key. and they can't go work for a clothing designer because of their record but they can become the clothing designer as a business owner. and i think we need to see this as an opportunity, rainbows after a storm. 60% -- the whole world is getting younger. the middle east needs a hundred million jobs in the next eight

years. we need to turn the negatives into positives and start getting role models and business internships into these neighbors to move the business role model needle. >> yesterday something interesting happened. a senator from vermont proposed a new, a new effort within as an amendment to the immigration bill to put -- invest a billion dollars in year around youth jobs. the truth is is that washington has been silent on this issue or those obstructionists in washington have blocked even modest steps to create job opportunities for young people. so the public policy response has to be schools, jobs. and the conversation can't just be one time it's got to be consistent. >> john, tell folks really quickly your organization and the work that you are doing down

there. because it really is -- it really is pretty impressive. >> i think the thing most relevant is hope business in a box. we're going to give kids a course in business, a course in literacy, dignity. self-esteem and self-help. then we're going to give them 25 pbss that you can start between 500 dollars or less. think shark tank for kids. they get two minutes to pitch their idea. the endor fins fire on the right side of their brain. people are looking at them and investing in them. they're going to fund their business and give them a bank account. we think this is a game changer. all kids want is a good job or a shot at economic opportunity. while i agree with mark aen on the public policy piece, this is something we can do for ourselves.

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the classroom of the future. that's today's big idea. some innovative thinkers are exchanging textbooks for tablets. changing the way we look at our education system in the process. the numbers alone are staggering. >> the thing about the education am is is it's a very impersonal system. it's a factory model. >> one student drops out of high school every 26 seconds. roughly 30% will not graduate. that's 1.3 million in all falling through the cracks of

our education system. worldwide the numbers grow greatly. a whopping 80% of kids will not get a high school diploma. >> how many einsteins and others and michael jordans are we losing every generation because we're not giving them the opportunities that some of us have. >> what if that can be changed? what if an internet connection is the difference in getting a world class education? today, it's having that internet moment. >> we're trying to revolutionize education across the gloek. >> newton is an doptive learning program based on everyone's strengths and weaknesses. and they go at their own pace and it adapts to their learning style. >> if you learn math best with

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coming out here to mountain rushmore, it reminds you of issues of the pursuit of happiness and issues of freedom. and this country standing for something. these guys are all looking forward to what they wanted to build in this country, every one of them. and it's not about petty arguments over tax and environmental regulations but about what kind of country you want to live in. >> it doesn't seem complicated to me. she is by far the strongest, most qualified kansd dat for a president of the united states. and i am part of a lot of group of people that really wants her to run. and it seemed like coming out publicly and stating the obvious that we all want her to run was important thing to do right now. >> that was missouri senator talking about her endorsement of

hillary clinton running for president. mrs. clinton has no problem fuelling the fire. here she is toronto just yesterday. >> let me say this, hypothetically speaking, i really do hope that we have a woman president in my lifetime. and -- [ applause ] >> so, is mrs. clinton the lady of the hour absolutely not says tim miller. he just launched a stop hillary 2016 campaign. why laurge theest now? why not at least wait until she says she's running. >> two reasons. we learned a lesson from 2008 where president obama started campaigning for re-elect the day he was inaugust rated and we

didn't have mitt romney until the summer of 2012. and the second reason is, secretary clinton might say she's not campaigning, but launching a twitter feed, calling senators who endorse her, there's another word for that, and it's called campaigning. she's gearing up and we are as well. >> what's your group going to be doing? >> america rising was launched to make sure we didn't have to deal with 12 years of democrats in the white house. what we're doing is laying the ground work and doing the research so we're prepared to pass that over to our nominee, whoever that is, four years from now. that's why we launched stop hillary 2016.org. >> one could argue that perhaps your group's time, effort, and money might be better spent on recruiting potential candidates or conducting research that might help the eventual

republican nominee. why play so much defense when you can be playing offense? >> well, look, everybody plays a role in the republican party. we've got a lot of great up and coming candy cats for 2016, rubio, paul, walker. i could go on down the line. what our role in this process, keep an eye on the democrats, hold them accountable and to make sure we can beat them three years from now. >> tim miller, new superpac, america rising. thank you. >> thank you, craig. >> paula deen apologizes for using racial slurs, but the food network did not bite. what can deen do now? and she makes three. alaska senator, the latest republican senator to support same-sex marriage. why they say that's consistent with gop principles.

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good saturday afternoon. i'm craig melvin. you're watching msnbc. the place for politics. searching for snowden. new criminal charges including espionage against the man who leaked details about government surveillance programs. also major ruling, opening statements in the george zimmerman are set to start in less than 48 hours. the judge made an important rule on the dramatic 911 call on the night of the shooting. and this. >> i beg for your forgiveness. please forgive me for the mistakes that i've made. >> saying i'm sorry after admitting to using racial slurs. did her three apology videos make matters worse? we'll talk about all of those things in just a few moments.

first we start with breaking news in ohio where two paem have been killed at a plane crash at the dayton international airport. no spectators were hurt. a wing walker and their pilot were both killed when their opportunity plane crashed to the ground and burst into flames. witnesses say the plane and to be flying too low when its wing clipped the ground and crashed. the identity of those killed have not been released. the air show has been closed for the remainder of the dead. two people dead at an air show in dayton, ohio. we'll update you throughout the hour. today in ka tar, secretary of state, john kerry, said that the united states wants to be proposed peace talks with the taliban get back on track. peace talks with thrown off course wednesday after hamid

karzai suspended his involvement because of a assist put over signs and a flag at the opening of the taliban office. >> now we need to see if we can get back on track. i don't know whether that's possible or not. if there is not a decision to move forward by the taliban in short order, then we may have to consider whether or not the office has to be closed. >> for the third week in a row, the republican weekly address focused on student loans. they passed a bill in the house and as the july 1st deadline creeps closer, the pressure is on the senate and president obama. >> thief actively blocked the plan and refused to consider ours. if i didn't know any better, i would say they are content to let rates double. >> and a new report out of the

los angeles times says that the cia has been trapging operatives for months now. >> what i can tell you is that we have stepped up our assistance, but i cannot inventory for you all of the elements of that assist tans. and as the president said, i cannot and will not get into the specifics about the assistance that we provide. >> former nsa contractor edward snowden has now been charged with two counts of espionage and left of government property. >> good day to you, craig. the honk coming authorities were being tied lipped today refusing to comment either on the charges in the u.s. or whether they've been approached, whether thief had any requests from

washington. now the commissioner of police said today that any case would proceed court to hong kong law and procedures. now under hong kong procedures, a request for extra decision or even a professional arrest warrant would have to go to the minimum trihere and the leader of hong kong who would then need to determine whether it was legitimate under the agreement between hong kong and the u.s. only then would the police be authorized to seek out snowden and arrest him. that's assuming, of course, they can quickly find him. he's hypeding out in this city. then a process begins which affords him all manner of delay and appeal. he can have for asylum and claim that the charges are politically motivated. and at every stage there's all sorts of delays built in.

initially lawyers will be looking closely at the charges filed last week. two of them under the espionage act would appear not to have an equivalent crime here. and you have to have an equivalent crime in the two your zixs to qualify. the third charge, theft of state property, does have an equivalent here. this could be a long and complicated process. >> i want to get back to our breaking news now. holly samuels is with our nbc affiliate and she was there at the air show in dayton, ohio. she joins me now via telephone. first of all, what do we know about the two people who were killed? what can you tell us. >> i know the wing walker, her name is jane wicker. and i know that she started flying in the late '80s. and in 19s 90 she started doing

wing walking. and her ex-husband was actually the pilot. apgtsd according to the bioon the website, his name is kirk wicker. they were married while they flew together for a long time. she is one of the few who does this untethered. >> we talk about this wing walking, what precisely is this? >> well, the wing walking is actually when she's on the wing and she walks from side to side of the wing and she actually does something that few do where she hangs from the bottom of one of the wings of the by plane by her feet untethered. so it's definitely something that's a thrill and is very dangerous to do. >> holly samuels from our affiliate joining me now via telephone with the very latest on that plane crash in an air

show in dayton, ohio. thanks to you. this week, marriage equality advocates when alaska senator became the third gop to back same-sex marriage. she wrote, likery began, alaskans believe that government works best when it gets out of the way. they want to give themselves to one another and create a home together, i support marriage equality and support the government getting out of the way to let that happen. >> jeff, first of all, what kind of contact had your group had with senator mur skous ki before she announced her evolution on this issue? >> there's been a process that's been going on in washington and across the country for a number of years now where republicans, conservatives, independents,

moderates lib tearians have been having conversations with legislators like her and her staff making the conservative indicate for the freedom to marry. and what we've been seeing across the country is that americans are really opening their hearts and recognizes as they think about the rights and freedoms of their gay and lesbian neighbors. its extremely exciting to see the role that republican lead ares like her are playing in this fight. >> you just wrote, quote, there's reason to expect many more republican profiles encourage in the months to come. do tell, who is next? >> we would all like to know the answer to that. we've seen now 221 times at the state level, republican state legislators taking a step out on the right side of historiment we've seen it six times at at federal level aside well. and i think this continues to

happen more and more. republican legislators are seeing and recognizing that our party was really founded on the principles of individual liberty and stronger families that those values are consistent with the idea of treating our gay and lesbian neighbors as ourselves. and i thinks that that happens across the country, we'll continue the see the numbers rise, but also see a number of additional elected officials showing kurm as well on the issue. >> is it courage? is it a great shift or is this just political opposite tunism of the worth sort. >> i think it's a good question to ask. clearly electric sd officials are looking at things through a politics lens and policy lens. but also as human beings. senator portman's statement came

three days before secretary clinton's statement came. and after she made a statement, we saw a flurry of democratic senators come out in support for the freedom to marry. we believe that's the case because often times when a republican makes a conservative case for the freedom to marry, it opens the flood gates or democrat who otherwise would be lacking the political cover and who are really afraid of being to the right of a conservative republican senator like senator portman. so these changes, whether they happen with her or the senate republicans in rhode island who helped convince an anti-gay leadership in rhode island and moved marriage forward, it's important. and the community now pursuing a bipartisan strategy is why we're seeing such major strides moving forward. >> thanks. what went wrong. a deadly chemical blast

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new today, the city of west, texas is now suing the owner of the fertilizer plant that blew up in april. i want to show you the before and after pictures of the area

near the blast. before on the left, after on the right. authorities say a fire ignited the chemical amoney numb nitrate which caused the 93 foot wide crater in the ground. meanwhile, the after effect is now rever ber rating on capitol hill. they are reviewing storage and handling of dangerous chemicals. >> mike, always good to see you, sir. >> good to be back on the show. >> at the senate hearing next week, the chair of the committee is looking closely at west and that other explosion in louisiana where two workers died earlier this month. how likely is it that we're going to see any change. >> i think it's highly unlikely

since the gop is going to block it. they do have the ability using the clean air act to -- and tut it into their factories if fees able. a chemical plant are a big problem in this country. 1200 people a year die in over 30,000 chemical spills and accidents in this country. >> let's go back to west specifically, state of texas is now considering an on line public database. here's what the direct are had to say about that. >> at the echbtds day the pub has a right to know what's in their facilities. this is not the only chemical out there. sometimes we spend a lot of times planning for the last disaster and not thinking about the next disaster and next threat. >> what would a database on a state website, what would that

do to protect the public? >> one of the big issues in the wft, texas explosion were not apair what the chemical was. and it would raise awareness and allow local emergency crews to plan. there are 2500 chemical plants within that are within reach of thousands of people in this country that could kill them. something needs to be done to raise awareness. as well as when communities are aware that when there are deadly chemical plapgts near them, they're more like i will to ride the companies about making sure they're safe. it really allows to get the community involved. >> and it would probably also help folks decide that they might not want to live near one of these facilities. fema has refused to designate west as a major disaster area because it is, quote, in their words not of the severity and magnitude that warrants a major

disaster. it has proofed money for survivors of west. what else could be going on here? >>'s complicated to say. it looks like there's a $17 million gap in rebuilding west, texas. fema has denied aid in this situation and it's going to hurt the town of west of the earlier this week, moody's downra graded the credit rating for west, texas and its school district. now some republicans have said that fema didn't working with the texas government because they're republicans. it's unclear if that's the situation. fema has denied fundness similar situations. now let's focus back on what obama said. he promised that the federal government would always be there. it sounds like that the federal government isn't coming through

with what's not a large sum of money, $17 million. >> texas has a proud reputation for the and the trgs of celebrating small government. they don't like a lot of regulation there. if this had happened in a solidly blue state would the reaction be different than what we're seeing? >> yeah. even the mayor of west, texas, he had 15 people killed, 60 homes destroyed, the mayor of west, texas says they don't even need more regulations. it's clear that this guy -- who is operating the plant wasn't following the law. and these folks are saying we don't need more regulations. it's pretty incredible. there was an article where some counties in texas actually add ver ties that there's no statewide fire code to wbs businesses. they add ver ties you can come here and run your factory any

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24 hours. zero heartburn. a big decision in the george zimmerman trial this morning. the judge has ruled the prosecution's audio experts cannot testify about the 9121 call the night trayvon martin was killed. zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder. he claims that he shot mart tin in self-defense. ron, first of all let's start to the reaction to the judge's ruling. what has that been? >> the prosecutors have to be disappointed with this ruling. they argument in that closing argument on thursday to get these experts in. but the judge went the other way. obviously the defense attorneys are happy with this call. i spoke to mark o'mara just

moments ago. this is what he had to say. >> i think she did a great job of analyzing the case law and most importantly applying to the facts of this case. good science can be a very good benefit to a jury. when it becomes junk science as it would have been in this case, i'm glad it was kept away from the jury. >> and the methods that these particular experts two audio experts that the prosecution wanted to bring in, they use new and novel techniques. the software that they use is accepted in may the scientific community, but how they applied to the 11 call known could vouch for besides the two gentlemen in the hearing. that's why the judge went with it the defense in this case. now that doesn't mean that the tape cannot be played and that people perhaps trayvon martin's parents or george zimmerman or people on his side can testify

about who they think is on that tape. >> the trial will effectively start in less than 48 hours. opening statements monday morning. what do we know about what can and cannot be said during those opening statements? >> well, as you know, both sides are obviously preparing this weekend. long nights for both sides in the lead-up to monday. ment prosecution was arguing back against a defense motion to prevent them from saying certain things during monday's opening statements. take a look a some of the word that the defense was hoping to get the judge to ban the prosecutors from using. profiled, vigilante, wan to be cop. now, wrpgts to profiling, she is not allowing them to say racial profiling because there's so many other ways besides race that people can be profiled. they're going to allow the prosecutor go in there and say that george zimmerman profiled

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we continue to follow this breaking news in ohio where the faa is now on the scene investigating a deadly plane crash at an air show at the dayton international airport. our nbc affiliate reports that a wing walker and a pilot who is also her ex-husband were both killed when their stunt plane crashed and exploded into flames this afternoon.

all of this happened about 1:00. known on the dprounsd was hurt. witnesses say that the plane and to be flying at a low altitude when of the wings clipped the ground and it burst into flames. air show itself has been canceled for the remainder of the day. we continue to follow this breaking news in dayton, ohio. two people dead after a plane crash at an air show. we are also following breaking news in texas this afternoon. where part of the ekwes treeian complex at texas a&m has collapsed. three workers injured critically. a university spokesman says school officials are now looking at the damage in texas. the complex itself was under crux at the time of the collapse. other stories making news this hour. right now crews in colorado are fighting more than a dozen wildfires across the state.

the flames have destroyed tens of thousands of acres. officials say dry conditions and hot conditions mean that the fires can actually get worse. and new details with nelson mandela. the ambulance that took him to the hospital two weeks ago broke down on the way. government officials say that men da la was quickly moved to another ambulance and the incident did not put him in any danger. today he's still in the hospital reportedly in serious but stable condition. well, while the nation waits for its high court to rule on the much aeched issues of same-sex marriage, voting rights and also affirmative action, one ruling that they did issue is raising eyebrows. they struck down a federal law that barred private health organizations from receiving

federal aids funding without denouncing progressionty contusion. kelly, so the court based its ruling on free speech grounds. but you write in part, quote, the ruling has already been greeted with enthusiasm but those who believe that prostitution should be decriminal i'ded. how is this a first step towards that? >> so first of all, the grounded that the obama add tradition was arguing, they were arguing that if someone receives federal subsidiaries for fighting aids, for anti-aids fund, that they should denounce prostitution. but here's the rub. there's always been a question of whether or not decriminalizing prostitution would actually keep women and the communities at large safer from stds. if you actually look at the

numbers where nevada and it's legalized, they have lower std rates among those working in brothels there than those working in the important industry here in the u.s. so the very argument that the administration was using, which is that if legalized prostitution helps spread aids, if they want anti-aids funding, then they should have to denounce prostitution. and the fact that the supreme court says this is a free speech issue sort of seems to indicate that we're getting into a round where there's going less stigmatization about prostitution. >> do you see this at all as a women's rights issue? prostitutes are the ones typically arrested but rarely are those that use their services. >> you took the words right how of my mouth. you have kristen davis who is

well-known for being a repeat candidate for governor. but her real claim to fame is that she went to jail for the elliott spits december scandal. because she ran one of the brothels that the former governor was alleged to have frequented. the same for heidi flies and char lean sheen. so there really is a level of massage any and gender inequity. i would say that in sweden, for instance, they have actually decriminal i'ded prostitution and what they have done is criminalize using the services of prostitutes. and the number of propertity tuts ended up decreasing in general in the population because of that. at least if you're going to have a law, that's a fairway to carry out a law. the larger question is such laws

should they be on the books in the first place. particularly if women in legalized brothels in nevada say they feel safer because report someone abusive, women who are in states are it's illegal cannot do that. they're forcing us to have a conversation about is our society ready to evolve on this? >> there was a month-long sting operation it roundinged up more than a hundred men for patriot niesing prostitutes. now both the johns and prostitutes, it's likely going to affect their chances of future employment and community standing as well. is that another rope to decriminalize the sex trade? >> we know that there was sort of a zero row tolerance policy on drugs 15 years ago. and then we see people like

mayor bloomberg -- so what did mayor bloomberg finally step up and do recently? he said i'm not going to have my police officers arresting people for spending the night in jail for marijuana possession. >> you just connected pot and prostitution. >> my mother is very proud of this segment. >> let's go ahead and get to the brain trust. are you still with? >> till friday. >> she's now with msnbc.com. david is still with the washington post. amy homes and anchor at the blaze. good to see all three of you. shame on you for those who don't join us regularly. the thing that we do is called biggest brain. at the end of the segment whoever makes the best points

gets to spend about 60 seconds going on a rant of their choosing. >> it's a rant? >> it's a rant especially if it's you. let's talk about prostitution here for just a bit. daft i won't start with you down in d.c. first of all, do we think that we are witnessing a sea change or reading too much into this? are we going to come to a day in the next 20 or 30 years where prsty contusion is decriminalized in this country? >> no. no we are not a country tore decriminalization. it's clear that it harms the lives for people in sex work. i've done a lot of reporting on this. even in places where they say they're going to arrest the john, they also arrest the seller of the services. in illinois they had felony charms for people who are arrested. people were going to prison for prostitution at the same time they were saying they saw them as victims. i think we have a criminal

justice system more interested in tarring them with a criminal record for their lives. i think that would be a better approach. >> what bill. >> there's a tension between harm reduction and people who want to eliminate prostitution. people interested in harm reduction want to admit there's going to be prostitution and work with people. cops have been arresting sex workers and when they find anyone that they arrest, if they find condemns on them they use that as evidence so -- evidence that they're engaming in prostitution. now there is is a growing movement to ban the use of condoms as evidence. >> you've got a bit of a lib tearian streak in you. >> i do. >> should governments at all be engaged in regulating

transactions between two consenting adults? >> well, reregulate business transactions every day. that's not really the question. we see that different locales have different attitudes toward it where prostitution is legal in certain places and illegal in others. i think the a analogy between prostitution and marijuana is sort of appropriate. i think it's a reflex of that community's attitude. i'm a little more of a federal lift on this issue than a lib tearian. >> let me bring you in here. nevada decriminalized prostitution in parts of the state. we just herd from kelly that found in part sex workers there again felt safer with all of the legal protections that come with being a legal member of the u.s. labor force. why shouldn't we sl the same protections? >> i think they should.

but i'm not sure again that's really the issue we'reu talking about. the ks court to had to deal with aid money from the government to enact their health care policies. and i think in this case with -- for the workers themselves, they certainly do -- we have now most bars who don't allow smoking, they do deserve those rights. on something like that, there's a lot of cultural barrier still in the country. i think it could be that specific jurisdictions might take a look at it. if anything, the obama administration was trying to, you know, have these groups denounce prostitution and in exchange for the money that they were going to get. >> up next, paula deen gets the chop. her tv home will not be resigning her contract after she admitted using racial slurs, allowing folks to watch

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while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ] our panel is back. let's talk about paula deen, y'all. >> only if tur dunk yon is involved. >> i think it's going to be a long time before we hear her talk on television. folks who have been under a rock for the last 48 hours her use of racist language is all over the place. i want to give a snippet here. this is the full screen. yopg we're going to show the video right now. i think folks have seep the video. this is a lawyer from the deposition. have you ever used the n word

yourself? >> deen. yes, of course. >> in what context? >> it was probably when a black man burst into the bank where i was working at and put a gun to my head. >> it was the yes answer. we're not going to get into watching important in the workplace and all that stuff. but in the commercial break we were talking about whether she coulding labelled a racist? and your contention is she shouldn't be? >> no no no. we ought to take it seriously if we lanl someone a racist. i find it peculiar, troubling that she so casually answered of course i use the n word. but there are folks who do use that who are both black and white. i think it's a strange case. it's just getting worse and worse. >> what we haven't talked about is this bizarre fascination that

she seems to have with with the antebellum south. >> she said she wanted her brothers wedding to have men like slafbs, african-american men serving. if if you go as far as saying like slaves and racism that she perpetuated as a kid, it's a weird mix of self-aware and unself-aware. she doesn't seem to see any reason to hide them or she incident examine what's behind them or bother to defend them. that's why the apology was so strange. >> let's play, again, there were three different apology videos that were released yesterday. it was a publicly cyst's nightmare. this is part offier apology. take a listen. >> i want people to understand that my family and i are not the

kind of people that the press is wanting to say we are. i spent the best of 24 years to help myself and others. your -- the color of your skin, your religion, your sexual preference does not matter. >> david, first of all, one would assume with paula deen's money would have fired a production company. >> i think she did on the second video. >> but that apology there, does that do anything at all to save her career? >> i don't think so. i mean these things, part of to separate it out, she's already lostier contract with the food network after it expires. but i don't think it really saves her. the problem with folks like paula deen and all the sudden you find out they're real people and they maybe different when they're not on the screen is

that when they're back on the screen and sort of apologizing seem sad and even crying, is that a an act? this is something very successful on tv. and it may have been done on purpose that way to look sort of honest. but i'm not sure. i think people would be very skeptical. in a court deposition you're supposed to be honest. >> and i've said this before and i think that we live in a forgiving society. but there seem to be two things that the american public aren't willing to forgive. child abuse specifically when someone is labelled a child abuser it's difficult to come back from that stigma. and a racist. when someone has that moniker of racist attached to them. >> people are -- >> actually there are exceptions

to that. when he made those repull sift comments about the rutgers girls i was all over the networks and saying nsnbc did not need to cut a check for him talking about that on the air. paula deen is based on outside of the this topics. she has fans and she has an empire. and the swer tamt business is cynical and someone is going to want to pick her up and take up her fan base. >> when we come back, the moment that we've all been waiting for on a saturday afternoon. we're going to crown the biggest brain this week. a big check involved, there's a trophy. you don't want to miss this. neither of those things are true, actually.

as promised, the biggest brain. this is when we give one of our regular brain trust guests a moment. here's the thing, we think you

may be dish ququalified since ye an msnbc employee now. david, i didn't spend enough time talking to you today. but on prostitution -- >> quite all right. i'm not an expert on prostitution. >> thank you for clearing that up. almost by default, amy holmes who is also quick to correct the host earlier today, which i always enjoy amy is our biggest brain and gets a few seconds here to talk about whatever she wants. >> craig, that's so grudging. >> go ahead, talk. >> some food for thought. it has got to scorch to entertain ugly thoughts and ugly behavior. a court will decide that. of course, i refer to paula turduken dean. it was late and i was playing solitaire. she let me introduce my college

roommate who couldn't believe it was paula deen. i haven't followed the scandal very closely that she got fired. but here's what i do know, she admitted to using racial slurs in her personal life and i'm very sorry that a that's the case because i also a know in my family, such talk was never tolerated, not for one second. it happened on occasion that older relatives. my mom and dad put the hammer down and they made it a rule that attitudes like that would not be tolerated across our threshold. my parents were protecting me and my brother and also a protecting their sense of proprie propriety, human decencies and core values. she may not deserve what she's now suffering. i don't know, i can't know. she did make choices and i hope from all of this that we'll take a pause, examine our own choices because i know we can always make them better.

>> i want to talk about what we were talking about in the break. the way that paula dean handled the fallout. again, oft aentimes, the crime itself is bad, but the way that the crime is handled is even worse. would you have done anything differently? >> well, she waited a few days to deal with it. she could have gone a lot more correctly and directly and i think in the case of these sorts of things, she had an appointment to go on to "today" show with matt lauer and came on direct and accounted for her feelings. i was raised in a certain time and i'm still working through this and i apologize to everyone that i hurt. she didn't show up, which made its own story. she made a video, two videos throughout the day. if i were a pr person right now, i would be calling her and asking her to take pity on herself. >> david, really quickly before i get out of here, what do you make of this idea that amy holmes brought up before the break that this may not be, forgive the pun, but we may not

need to stick a fork in her yet, she may not be done. >> i think i said on the food network, if she might be done. stories already. outrage on the facebook page in support of her outrage that she was fired and visit savannah a, chamber of commerce down there sort of sweeted o ee eed out. i think there are people who will support her. she has cookbooks and restaurants in vegas that she still runs and her shows are going to be on. still room for comeback there. david from "washington post" amy holmes, this is the second time you've won it. >> thank you, craig. >> you win it three times there's a car. >> is there? really, under my chair? >> thank you for watching. i'll be back tomorrow 3:00 eastern time. up next on the other side of this break, "disrupt with karen finney."

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