types of pastries for breakfast but not in front of secretary vilsack. >> right over here. >> you see, there's a lot left on the plate. >> what have you learned, jonathan? >> i learned that christine legarde, director of the imf is as grand in person as i've seen her on television and in print, newspapers and things. >> top of the hour. >> it is. all right, if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around right now. it's time for the fix, baby, straight ahead. >> have a good day. supreme change. the high court's decision will make california the 13th state with same sex marriage in nearly one-third of the country's population will now live in states allowing those unions. we'll have the latest reaction this morning from president obama in africa. texas two-step. a lone star emerges in austin

with a fiery filibuster against restricting abortion rights as governor perry vows to bring lawmakers back for another special session to try again. in south africa, family and friends gather at the pretoria hospital where former south african president nelson mandela is in critical, but stable, condition. good morning from the interns at the republican national committee in washington, d.c. it's thursday, june 27th and this is "the daily rundown." here's chuck todd. >> good morning, i'm chris liz in for chuck todd. george zimmerman's legal team will continue to cross exam one of the state's key witnesses in the second degree murder trial. the second day of testimony from the 19-year-old. when she first took the stand on wednesday, she told the jury about her final conversation with martin. joining me now is msnbc analyst

lisa bloom in new york and from sanford, florida, where the trial is taking place, former u.s. attorney kendall coffey and msn msnbc's craig nelson. give us the rundown of what happened yesterday and what we expect today. >> well, right now, chris, just moments from now, we expect the 19-year-old to take the stand. the defense will continue their cross examination. yesterday, rachel jeeantel's testimony was revealing, quite contentious as well. she and don west, the defense attorney, got into it several times. at one point, she asked hi, are you listening, are you listening to me? at the end when the judge informed them they would have to come back today, she was visibly annoyed at the fact she was going to have to spend more type in the courtroom. not a surprise. yesterday, her attorney told me that jeantil is going to be a reluctant witness. she lied about her age at one

point. she said she was 16 when she was 18 at the time of the killing. she said she lied because she wanted to retain her privacy. she also admitted that she lied about going to the hospital. which we expect the defense to spend some more time. she said she went to the hospital and did not go to trayvon hospital's funeral or his wake. she said she did that because she did not want to see her friend lying in the casket. again, another piece of testimony yesterday that we all found quite interesting was the portion where she said in terms of talking about the final phone call, she said, quote, i kind of heard trayvon say, get off, get off. that was the first time we heard that in court yesterday. again, that's the i havery late. we expect rachel jeantel, we expect her testimony any minute. >> i want to start with you, lisa, which is craig talked

about miss jeantel. what do we make of her approach on the witness stand and what impact, if any, that will have on the case? >> you know what's fascinating about trials is different people see different things. this is obviously a young woman that can be perceived a number of different ways. my assessment overall is her testimony is fair. she stuck to her core story. that is trayvon martin told her on the phone he was being followed. he told her that several times. at the end, the phone dropped, the headset dropped or the phone dropped or both and she heard him say, get off, get off. that's her core story. i expect her to stick to it. but, boy. her testimony is about to start here in florida. thank you. >> -- why are you following me is what you said that he said,

correct? >> yeah. >> the first thing you told mr. krump you heard from mr. zimmerman was what are you talking about, remember saying that yesterday? >> yes. >> and then that changed to, what are you doing around here? >> rephrase your question. the objection to the word "changed." >> the first time you answered the question what did you hear, you said that the other man, mr. zimmerman, said what -- what are you talking about? remember that being your answer? >> i don't remember -- yes, i don't remember but yes. >> you saw that on the deposition and you agreed that's what you said. >> yes.

>> then when asked again, instead of saying, what are you talking about, it became, what you doing around here, correct? >> yes. >> and then at your deposition, when i took your deposition, you said -- in the letter you wrote -- >> i'm going to object again as to restating what occurred yesterday as opposed to asking a question. >> okay, it's a preliminary question. i'll allow it. from an overnight recess, just to set where we are. >> in your deposition, you said, in fact, that in the letter that you wrote to sabrina fulton, you said, what you doing around here was what you attributed to mr. zimmerman. >> yes. >> at your deposition, when we learned for the first time that you had written a letter, correct? >> yes. >> you had never said that in

any of your other statements. >> no. >> the letter was the one that you and your friend put together, the one that you gave to miss fulton on march 19th. >> yes. >> and you had never mentioned that to anyone prior to you mentioning it to us in miami in march of this year. >> it was a personal letter for her. >> that's what you said. you didn't even tell the prosecutor about it. >> no. >> you met with the prosecutor though in jacksonville in early august, correct? >> yes. >> and that's when you told him, oh, i didn't go to the hospital, i lied about that. >> yes. >> but you didn't tell him you'd written the letter? >> no. >> may i have the letter please?

marked as defendant's cc for identification. let me approach you for a moment and show you this letter. it's a copy of course. will you take a lack ook at it >> if the intent is to introduce it, i have no objection to it being introduced into evidence. >> are you seeking to have it introduced? >> yes. >> it will come into evidence as defendant's next -- i don't -- 17, thank you. >> should we mark it now? [ inaudible ] >> okay.

>> let me show you the letter. it's marked as defendant's 17. let me then ask you a few questions about that. >> i'm going to object to this witness, the letter, there's no reason why -- i don't want to make a speaking objection but -- >> okay, well, please approach. >> let's talk about this. this is the start of the second day of rachel jeantel's testimony regarding the zimmerman case. a lot of talk yesterday about her as a witness. what to you make of it?

lisa, i'm sorry. >> just to jump in. she's a mixed blessing as a witness. certainly not a perfect witness. does she seem like a real person? yeah. does she even seem real about when she talked about why she lied about her age and being in the hospital? she does indeed. i think we're getting ready to see the other issue, which is not her contentiousness, it's going to be, is she consistent with the essential points of the testimony she gave during direct. because at the end of all this, the jury's going to be able to work through a lot of issues, but if they think she's making up something new and different with respect to the critical testimony about what she said trayvon martin said in the final minutes of his life, then this prosecution witness could be something that does not give them the help they need. >> yeah, and let's ae's be cle about -- >> lisa, we're going to quickly

go back, i believe, listening to the testimony. we may pop back in with you. thanks for sticking with us. >> -- to be given to miss fulton? >> yes. >> and that letter was prepared with the assistance of a friend of yours named francine serb? >> yes. >> and you and miss serve talked about what you wanted to be in the letter, and then she helped write it in a way that was legible, correct? >> yes. >> but the contents of the letter are yours. >> yes. >> are you able to read that copy well enough that you can tell us if it's, in fact, the same letter? >> no. >> are you unable to read that at all? >> some of it, i do not -- >> can you read any of the words on it? >> i don't understand, um --

cursive, i don't read cursive. >> did you sign it at the bottom? >> yes. >> what name did you use? [ inaudible ] >> i'm sorry. >> donny eugene. donny eugene. >> are you saying that -- >> i have no objection. this thing keeps flashing right here on the computer, i wonder if we could do something -- >> can you take the flashing -- [ inaudible ] >> that's your name that you signed at the bottom? >> yes. >> but it's not actually your name. >> no. >> that's a name that you made up. >> that's my nickname. >> but your last name isn't eugene. >> that's my mother last name. >> you signed it diamond eugene so as not to use your real name.

>> yes. >> i'll read the letter then. can you not read this here? >> yes. >> what does this say? >> march 19th, 2012. >> can you read this at the bottom? >> thank you. >> and then you signed your name? >> yes. >> and you can't read any of the words here? >> not at all of them. >> but you can read type written words, just not cursive? >> yeah. >> subject to correction by the state, the letter reads as follows -- i was on the phone when trayvon decided to go to the corner store. it started to rain. so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining too hard. he started walking. then noticed someone was following him. then he decided to find a short cut -- >> there's an objection here.

>> should be then -- you stated he. >> would you like to read it? >> i don't mind, but i don't mind you reading it, but -- >> direct your comments to me please. go ahead and read and correct the sentence. >> i'll start it. >> okay. >> i should take the podium probably. >> i was on the phone when trayvon decided to go to the corner store. it started to rain. so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining too hard. he started walking then. noticed -- he started walking, then noticed someone was following him. i'll read that again.

it -- i was on the phone when trayvon decided to go to the corner store. it started to rain so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining too hard. he started walking. then noticed someone was following him. then he decided to find a short cut because the man wouldn't follow him. then he said the man didn't follow him again. then he looked back and saw the man again. the man started getting closer. then trayvon turned around. and said, why are you following me? then i heard him fall. then the phone hung up. i called back. and text. no response. in my mind, i thought it was

just a fight. then i found out this tragic story. thank you. diamond eugene. is that the letter that you and miss serve prepared to give to sabrina fulton? >> yes. >> and contrary to what you said at the deposition, this letter does not, in fact, contain any response that the person gave to trayvon martin when he said, why are you following me? >> yes. >> further, you say that you thought this was just a fight. >> yes. >> this was the letter that you gave to miss fulton on the same day that you talked with her and told her basically what happened. >> yes. >> and you told her, i take it, then, this same thing that you said here or did you tell her more? >> tell her more.

>> did you tell her that the man that trayvon said why you following me to responded in some way? >> yes. >> and what did you tell her that he said? >> can you repeat your question again? >> uh-huh. did you tell miss fulton what the man said when trayvon martin said why you following me? did you say to miss fulton what the man said in response? >> yes. >> and what did you tell her? >> what you doing around here? >> i'm sorry? >> what are you doing around here? >> so that's what you told miss fulton? >> yes, in the car, yes. >> and you're sure you're actually had a conversation with miss fulton -- >> not for that -- not for that long. >> agreed. i'm not challenging that. but you're saying that you had a conversation about the facts of the case, if you will -- >> yes. >> correct?

and those facts included you saying that mr. zimmerman said, what you doing around here? >> yes. >> you do acknowledge, though, the first time that you were asked that question in your interview with mr. crump later that day, your response was that mr. zimmerman said, what you talking about? >> yes. >> are you sure those were the words that trayvon martin said, or could you have been sort of trying to figure out what was said and that's what you came up with? >> i'm sure. >> which are you sure about? that he said what are you talking about or why are you following me? >> why you following me.

both. why you following me. what trayvon said, why are you following me for. >> but you first said in response to that question, what are you talking about was the answer. >> i cannot hear you, sir. >> your testimony today is what you heard on the phone the man say that george zimmerman was, what you doing around here? >> yes. >> and then the first statement that you made to mr. crump in his interview of you, you said mr. zimmerman response was, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> it was in the interview with mr. crump that you said you thought this was a racial thing. >> he had asked me if it was a racial thing. >> what did he say? >> do you think -- the situation

was a racial thing. >> mr. crump asked you that on the recording? >> yes. >> have you had a chance to look at the transcript? or listen to the recording? did you ever hear him say that on the recording? >> your honor, i'm going to objection to the comb pound questions. >> please break your questions up. >> sure. do you remember him saying that specifically to you during that phone interview? >> yes. >> have you ever seen a transcript of the recording or ever listened to the recording to know whether or not, in fact, it's there? >> yes. >> and is it there? >> no. >> but your comment is you think it's a racial thing? >> yes. >> mr. crump didn't record that part of the conversation when he asked you if you thought it was a racial thick but only recorded your answer -- >> objection what mr. crump did

or did not do. >> sustained. she can't testify what he thought, she can only testify as to what she heard. the question is, did mr. crumper do that. if she's not around, there's no way for her to know if he did that when she was not there. she can testify as to what she heard. >> yes. i'm trying -- what i'm focusing in on is this. you believe that mr. crump asked you in that recorded interview whether you thought it was a racial thing. >> yes. i'm sure -- >> and then when you had a chance to listen to the recording or look at the transcript, you can't find his question anywhere in it. >> no. >> you have had a chance though to review your transcripts or prior statements, haven't you?

>> yes. >> so you decided it was a racial thing because someone told you it was a racial thing or you came up with this on your own or why did you conclude that this was a racial thing? >> how the situation happened. how the situation happened. >> how about what was being said on the news? >> on the news? >> uh-huh. >> that -- happened before the news -- even knew about it. [ inaudible ] nationwide news about the situation -- >> so your belief is that you had the interview with mr. crump before this story was in the news about george zimmerman

racially profiling and murdering trayvon martin? >> yes. >> you never heard that before? >> hu. i told you, i don't watch the news. >> how about when you talked about with tracy martin, did he say, will you please come forward? because we are saying this is a racially motivated murder. >> no, he just asked me can i talk to his attorney. >> how about when you talk to miss fulton, did she say, will you please come forward and talk to our attorney and record it because we think this is a racially charged event -- >> no. no. >> and you didn't have any information from the news that this was a racially charged event? >> no, i had told you, i don't watch the news. >> okay. are you okay this morning? >> yeah. >> you seem so different than yesterday. i'm just checking. did someone talk -- >> is that a question? >> yes.

>> did someone talk to you last night about your demeanor in court yesterday? >> no, i went to sleep. >> so your testimony is that you hadn't heard anything on the news about this being a racially charged incident? >> all right, judge, asked and answered. now he's repeating the answers. >> sustained. >> your honor, may we approach, please? >> no. you didn't know anything about this case on the news following the shooting on february 26th, prior to your interview with mr. crump on march 19th? >> no, sir. i haven't. i had told you that yesterday. >> uh-huh. >> i don't watch the news.

>> and no one else told you -- >> no, sir. >> -- that there was a lot of noise about this being a racially charged event? >> no, sir. >> so when you asked -- answered mr. krump's question that's not on the recording what you think about it being a racially charged event, you said yes it was? >> yes, sir. >> and what did you base your answer that you thought it was a racial thing? what information did you base that on? >> because the situation, happened -- situation happened. >> tell me, what is it about this event specifically that convinceded you it was racially based? >> trayvon was being assaulted. and it was around 7:00. and it's not that late. and it's in the rain. like, come on -- >> it's in the rain --

>> it's in the rain or around raining or -- >> all right, so it's raining. >> yes. >> and he's out by himself walking around. >> yes. >> and -- >> not walking around, just standing under a shade when it's raining. >> but you don't really know what he was actually doing, do you? >> under a shade, yes. >> you don't actually know that, do you? >> i know he -- i asked where he at. he told me he's under a shade -- >> right, so what you know about this whole event is what mr. martin told you and what you interpreted it to mean -- >> objection, argumentative. -- the question -- >> overruled. >> repeat your question. >> sure. that you didn't see anything, you weren't there. >> no. >> you still don't know where the mail thing is or where any of the streets are or where on the map trayvon was -- martin was staying, correct? >> no. >> you don't know how far the

man was from him at any given point in time. >> he wasn't that far because he turned around, told me that a man was just -- was watching him. >> right. so -- before i lose track here, everything that you've told us is based upon whatever trayvon martin told you that you can remember. >> yes. >> and then how -- what you interpreted it to mean. >> yes. >> so when you say it's a racial event -- >> yes. >> what did he tell you that made you think it was a racial event? >> somebody was watching him. and then he described the person. the person that was watching him, following him. and that was kind of strange.

and a person keep watching you and following you. >> so he said -- >> like he being stalked. >> i'm sorry? >> like he being stalked from that person. >> what makes that racial? >> that wouldn't racial -- racial -- >> what's one thing about what trayvon martin told you that made you think this was racial? >> describing the person. >> pardon me? >> describing the person. >> i just didn't -- >> describing the person. that was watching him and following him, sir. >> i see. describing the person is what made you think it was racial? >> yes. >> and that's because he described him -- [ muted ] -- racial but it was because [ muted ], you don't think that's a racial comment?

>> no. >> [ muted ] -- racial comment? >> no. >> [ muted ]. >> that's just a person that's -- >> all right, you didn't tell -- >> that's just a personal letter to the mother -- >> you didn't tell miss fulton that the man that was following him was a creepy-ass cracker, did you? >> no. >> you didn't tell mr. crump in the recorded interview that trayvon martin described george zimmerman as a creepy-ass cracker? >> no. >> and when you met with mr. de la rionda, you didn't tell him

in your interview that trayvon said a [ muted ] -- >> yes. >> so the reason you didn't say that, though, was because you didn't think it was relevant? >> nobody asked me. you come ask me what exactly that trayvon said that night about the person that was following him and watching him, that's what you asked me when i met up with you. >> so never before i met with you in march did you ever tell anyone exactly what you heard trayvon martin say? correct? >> about the person, describing the person? >> yes, in any of your interviews were you asked what was said, what happened next -- >> what was said, yes, i did. describing him, no, i did not.

i just said creepy -- >> you said some dude's following him -- >> one at a time because the court reporter has to take down both voices. if you'll allow her to please finish her answer. are you finished with your answer? >> yes. >> okay. you may ask the next question. >> of course you wouldn't say it to sabrina fulton because it was offensive, correct? >> yes. that was disrespectful. >> pardon -- >> that was disrespectful -- >> of course it was, yes. you may not consider it a racial comment -- >> no. >> but it's certainly offensive, isn't it? >> no. >> you don't think calling someone a creepy-ass cracker is offensive? >> no. >> so -- but you specifically chose not to tell miss fulton that's what trayvon martin said. >> no. >> because you thought it would hurt her feelings, didn't you? >> no. >> you didn't think that would

bother her if you said that her son described the man that was following [ muted ] -- >> [ muted ] -- >> objection, asked and answered. [ inaudible ] >> can we move on to another topic? >> just to be clear, then, you didn't include that in the letter and you didn't include that in the conversation you had on march 19th with miss fulton? >> no. >> and when you were interviewed by mr. crump and later that day you didn't say it? >> no. >> and then you were interviewed

in -- but you did say to mr mr. crump that you thought the event itself was a racial thing? >> yes, he had asked me and i said yes. >> and i was asking you, then, what made you think that. and then you were saying just because of the description, is that what you're saying? >> yes. >> the description being there was a man on the phone in a car watching him. >> yes. >> and you -- >> -- and following him -- >> pardon me? >> and following him. >> right, so you took that to be racial? >> yes. >> without any additional information? >> no. >> on april 2nd, on april 2nd, you had an opportunity to meet with the prosecutor, correct? >> yes. >> up until that point, you had

never spoken with law enforcement. >> no. >> even following your interview with mr. crump, you didn't then go to the police? >> no. >> even after hearing part of your interview on national television or hearing about it, you didn't go to the police. >> no. >> and apparently the police hadn't contacted you. >> no. they were trying to find me. >> pardon me? >> they were trying to find me. >> what makes you think that? >> because they just had my -- well, fake name, diamond eugene, they couldn't find me. >> how did they have your fake name? >> by the parents -- >> with you speak up? >> by the parents. the parents did not know my real name. they only knew me as diamond.

>> but they had your phone number. right? >> yes. >> because there were texts and phone calls. >> between who? >> you and miss fulton. >> no. >> she sent you a text. >> that was march the 19th. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> yes. >> after march 19th, you didn't go to law enforcement and law enforcement never contacted you, correct? >> correct. >> but miss fulton had your phone number. >> yes. >> so she could have given that to the police. >> yes. >> she could have given it to the sanford police department. couldn't she? >> yes. >> object as to what somebody else could have or not done -- >> sustained. >> she didn't have your real name because you'd lied about that. but she did have your phone number. >> yes.

>> and in between march 19th and april 2nd, nobody from the police department called you. >> i can't recall but no, 'cause my phone was -- >> i can't recall -- >> i can't recall. my phone was off. i shut it off. >> did you shut your phone off are you saying between march 19th -- >> no, i shut it off. it was a lot of phone calls. >> i'm sorry? >> it was a lot of phone calls. >> was it disconnected? >> no. i shut it off. >> you turned it off. >> i turned it off. >> how long did you leave your phone off? >> maybe three -- in a day, it would be three hours or four hours. >> when you turned it back on, you would get voice mails, wouldn't you?

>> yes. >> you get any text messages -- >> i didn't get no text messages. >> but you would if someone had sent you one, after you turn your phone on, you would get text messages. >> yes. >> and when you turned your phone back on between march 19th and april 2nd, there weren't any text messages from miss fulton telling you to please go to the police. >> no. >> or any messages from law enforcement saying would you please -- >> by me watching the television, i thought the police was already in the case. >> say that again. >> by me watching the television, i thought the police already knew about the case. >> so when you -- i didn't think you watched television, i'm sorry. >> that was before march the 19th. march the 20th, that's when i started watching the television. that's when -- became on the television. that's when i started paying attention to the news. >> so in march 20th when your --

when they had the press conference about you -- >> i ain't seen a press conference. it only showed half of it, saying trayvon were in -- was on the phone with a -- final moments -- >> did -- the news, then, area ta you're talking about that had your voice on it was the recording made by abc news? >> yes, i think so, i don't know -- >> did you talk with somebody from abc news separately from your interview with mr. crump? >> yes. >> and when and where was that please? >> i don't remember but it was -- >> i don't remember -- >> i don't remember. it was by phone. >> and when approximately after march 19th was the day that you were interviewed, when did you, after that, talk with the reporter from abc news? >> i don't remember.

>> roughly. >> before -- before i even talked to the state attorney. >> sometime between march 19th, after -- when you gave your interview to mr. crump -- >> yes. >> and you didn't know you were being recorded then by abc, correct? >> no. >> but after that, though, you had a separate phone interview with abc? >> yes. >> was it the next day, the day after, a week later, any idea? >> no. >> and who was it that you talked with? >> i don't know the name. >> did he know your name? >> he don't know my real name. >> did you give him a name? >> just said -- >> i can't hear this witness. will the court ask the witness -- >> will you speak up a little bit, please? >> he had told me he had gotten my number -- or she had gotten my number from the abc reporter.

she had text me. saying she wanted to know about trayvon. what kind of person he was. can i have a talk with her boss i think about trayvon, what kind of person he was. >> so you got a text from somebody that -- where the media wanted to talk with you further. >> the abc woman. >> the -- >> it was an abc woman. >> and then you gave -- >> she didn't call, she text. >> and then you agreed to have a separate recorded interview. >> yes. >> and do you know the person that interviewed you? >> no. >> did you tell them the name diamond eugene? >> i just told them -- he had asked me how -- to call me -- >> he had asked me -- >> he had asked me how he want me to say in the media.

i say dede. that's when dede started popping up. >> so you used the nickname dee dee to identify yourself? >> yes. >> did you tell that person how old you were? >> no, he didn't ask me that. >> did you ask -- did he ask you your real name? >> no. >> so that was some time after march 19th but before april 2nd, correct? >> yes. >> and did you have any other interviews with anybody between march -- between the abc interview and april 2nd? >> no. >> on april 2nd, you were interviewed by mr. de la rionda, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and there were other agents there with the florida department of law enforcement? >> yes, sir. >> so this was your first interview with law enforcement? >> yes, sir. >> when you were interviewed

with mr. crump, you were rushed, you didn't take it seriously and you weren't under oath, correct? >> yes, sir. >> but on april 2nd, you were? >> were -- >> under oath? >> yes, sir. >> and you were being interviewed by the police? >> yes, sir. >> and it was recorded? >> yes, sir. >> from the state attorney's office -- now, at this point, the jacksonville state attorney's office was involved in the case as opposed to the seminole county state attorney's office, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so mr. de la liondra said, i'm from jacksonville, i'm down here to interview you, and introduced you to the fdla agents that were present and his state attorney investigator mr. osteen.

>> yes, sir. >> and you already had met the other people in the room? >> what other people? >> well, tell me who else was in the room with you when mr. de la rionda was conducting the first interview by law enforcement. >> trayvon mother -- >> trayvon's mother sabrina fulton, correct? >> yes. >> was in the room with you when mr. de la rionda was asking you questions for the first police interview. >> yes, sir. >> and where was she in the room? >> beside me. >> so she's sitting right beside you as de la rionda was asking you questions as his office was investigating this murder case? >> repetitive.

also the nature of the questions. >> sustained. >> your honor, may i have a little latitude on cross examination please? >> you're being given a lot of latitude, as you're entitled to. the objection is because you repeat the answer of the last question in your new question. and i think that you're required to just ask a new question. if you want to ask another question that gives an answer, you may do so. but the objection's to continuing to repeat the answer in your new questions. >> i apologize. my effort's to be precise so the witness knows exactly what we're talking about, but i will try to do it a little differently. >> thank you. >> right beside you during this interview was trayvon martin's mother, sabrina fulton, correct? >> yes, sir.

>> mr. martin was also there but not in the room, correct? >> no, sir, he left before i stepped inside the living room. >> he left the living room in other words? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know that he left the residence though, do you? >> no, sir. >> he may have still been there, but just not in the room with you. >> yes, sir. >> also in the room was one or more martin family attorneys, correct? >> yes, sir. >> who were they? >> i don't know their names, sir. >> do you know natalie jackson? >> yes, sir. >> was she there? >> inaudible ].

>> i'm sorry? >> on top of the stairs. >> so you knew she was there and present, correct? >> yes, sir. >> was mr. crump present? >> no, he left before they stepped inside the house. >> but you saw him that night. >> not that night, that afternoon. >> when you say that afternoon, tell me about that. i'm sorry, maybe i misspoke. the interview itself took place in the early evening, didn't it? >> yes, sir. >> so you met with mr. crump earlier that day? >> no, sir. >> tell me then what you mean that you saw him. >> when he went to -- when he -- detective and miss sabrina and -- >> i'm sorry, the detective and -- >> miss sabrina and -- he had joined in -- >> he had -- >> came with them to pick me up from my friend residence. so i could go back there to have

an interview with the state. that's when i met crump. that's my first time meeting crump. >> the other time it was only on the phone -- >> yes. >> when you talked with him? >> interview, yes. >> on this day, april 2nd, 2012, you met him because he was one of the people that went to your friend's house to pick you up? >> yes. >> to bring you to miss fulton's house, correct? >> yes. >> this interview actually took place at sabrina fulton's home in her living room, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so mr. crump came to your friend's hope to pick you up along with whom? >> i was outside already. i met him. >> but of your friend's house? >> yes. >> so mr. crump came to get you, correct? >> not come and get me, he was in another car. >> two cars came together -- >> detectives and stuff. >> so that afternoon, mr. crump was in one of the cars that was dispatched to go pick you up? >> yes, sir.

>> and you were in the front yard of your friend's house. >> yes, sir. >> and law enforcement also was involved in picking you up? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know why then law enforcement would permit mr mr. crump to come with them? >> i don't -- >> objection, argumentative, beyond the witness' knowledge. >> sustained as to beyond her knowledge. >> i was asking whether she knew or not and she said no. if the court would give me a little leeway on this. >> ask your next question. >> do you know why law enforcement allowed mr. crump to come with them to pick you up? >> no, sir. >> who else was there? was mr. fulton with them? >> yes, sir. >> do you know why law enforcement allowed miss fulton to be there? >> because she's the only -- she's the only person who knew where my friend live at, she live by my friend aria. >> miss fulton lives near where your friend lives?

>> yes, sir. >> but law enforcement had your phone number. they could have just called and asked you where you were, correct? >> yes, sir. >> mr. crump had your phone number. he could have called and asked where you were. pardon me? >> i don't know if crump had my number. >> i don't know -- >> i do not know if crump had my number. >> in the interview he took of you on march 19, didn't he say, we're having trouble with this phone, let me call you back? >> he had my number then. >> from a 904 number. and he called you back on your phone. >> yes, sir. >> miss jeantel, i'm not saying you did anything wrong, so please don't take it that way -- >> i know -- >> i'm trying to understand the dyn dynamic, of this. [ inaudible ] >> i know -- >> i'm sorry? >> i know, sir. >> okay, thank you. if i'm harsh in my tone, it's

not because i'm suggesting you did anything wrong here. but i'm trying to understand what the overall context of this first law enforcement interview was. so the people that came to pick you up included law enforcement, but it also included law enfor also include ben crump -- >> he's repeating the witness already gave. >> just ask her the question who was there. >> i would like permission to ask leading questions of this witness on cross-examination one step at a time. >> and i ask you do it one step at a time. >> my question is there, just to be clear as to who was present. law enforcement were present, ben crump was present, sabrina fulton was present in these two vehicles that came to pick you up on the afternoon of april

2nd, 2012? >> yes, sir. >> and was mr. delrano present? >> i don't remember him. i was in the back of the car. >> do you know of anybody else being present? >> i do remember tall person. >> can you repeat? >> a tall person. >> did you ever see him again later that evening? >> yes, sir. >> was he in the room? >> yes, sir. >> you don't recall his name, though? >> t. c. >> t. c. do you know that person to be an investigator? >> yes, sir. >> was there anybody else? >> in the car? >> either of the cars? >> i don't know who was in the other car but die know who was in the car i was in. >> i can't hear you, ma'am. >> can you speak a little louder? >> i do not know who was in the

other car, but i do know who was in the car i was in. >> let's start there then. who was in the car with you? >> t. c., and i think he was in the car that -- i think he was in the car. >> mr. delrano? >> yes. a tall dude. no offense. >> didn't hear the answer. can you please speak up? face the microphone a little bit better. >> t. c. -- >> that's the wrong microphone.

>> t. c., in front of the car was t. c., bald headed dude. >> this guy? >> yeah. sorry, man. and sabrina and me. >> and you went from your friend's house to miss fulton's house? >> yes, sir. >> and the people that you've already identified so far were in the room with you when the interview took place? >> yes, sir. >> anybody else? any other family members? >> no, sir. >> any other lawyers? >> another lawyer from the martin family. >> right. a big guy? >> a big guy, yes, sir. >> do you know his name? >> no, sir. >> would you know it if i said it? >> no, sir. >> no. so, when the interview began in miss fulton's living room you were seated next to miss fulton, and were the other people that

you've identified other than tracey martin in the room then or close by? >> yes, sir. was in the living room. >> i take it you knew that miss fulton would be hearing exactly what you said because you were sitting next to her? >> yes, sir. >> and you certainly didn't want to say anything that you thought would hurt her feelings or make her grief even worse? >> yes, sir. >> 0 so because of that, you were very sensitive to miss fulton's feelings when you answered mr. delrano's questions? >> yes, sir. >> and that is y-for example, that you cleaned up some of the language that trayvon martin

used? >> yes, sir. >> you wanted to be helpful because you wanted to help the prosecutor arrest george zimmerman? >> i was a witness. >> at that point being interviewed by law enforcement under oath you still hadn't concluded that you would be a witness in the case? >> not an important witness. >> not an important witness. >> no. >> because of that, did that also shape some of the things you said and why you said them? >> yes, sir. >> yes? >> yes, sir. >> for other reasons you didn't want to hurt miss fulton's feelings and that you really didn't think you were going to be an important witness in the

case? >> no, sir. >> is that why when mr. delarano want dmod what trayvon martin said, you said this man is watching me rather than what he actually said? >> yes, sir. >> you thought that would be offensive to miss fulton and the other people in the room? >> just miss fulton. >> just miss fulton? >> yes, sir. >> so, when you answered the questions that mr. delrano asked you about what was said by whom, you were concerned about how miss fulton would feel or react if you actually spoke the

accurate words or the accurate truth? >> objection. compound question. complicated. >> did you understand -- i'm sorry. did you understand the question? >> yes, ma'am. >> could you answer it? >> no, sir. >> let me see if i can say it better then. when mr. delrano was asking questions about what happened and who said what, you were making it sound different than it actually was to keep hurting miss fulton's feelings? >> not all of them, sir. >> i'm sorry? >> not all of them, sir. >> not all of the answers, correct >> yes, sir. >> but some of the answers? >> yes, sir. >> some of the answers about

language, for example? >> yes. that's the only thing that i changed around, yes, sir. that i did not say. >> so the only thing that you didn't say that was accurate was the language that trayvon martin used? >> yes, sir. i didn't think it was that important. he did not ask me what was trayvon -- he did not ask me what trayvon was describing the man. i didn't think it was that important at all. he kept asking me -- i said creepy. the only thing i said was creepy. i'm not going to say in front of the whole world, in front of

people. >> you were going to say what trayvon martin actually said in front of his mother? >> yes. >> of course. no one is arguing with you about that. but that's the decision that you made was basically to clean it up. >> yes, sir. >> you knew she was grieving. she just lost a son. you were very sensitive to that, correct? >> yes, sir. >> in fact, as you were explaining what happened in answering mr. delrano's question with miss fulton sitting there right beside you, she was crying, wasn't she? >> ah-ha. she was not crying, just tearing up about when i started telling what happened that night. >> again, it's so hard to hear, but did you say that she wasn't

crying but she was tearing up? >> yeah. was tearing up. >> tears coming out of her eyes. >> yeah. >> do you associate that with pain and grief and suffering? >> of course. >> you also, though, told mr. delrano that you had gone to the hospital, correct? >> he had asked me did i want to go to the hospital so i said yeah. >> i know that you had said that earlier to mr. crump and to miss fulton to give a plausible explanation to them for why you didn't go to the memorial service or the wake. is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and then when mr. delrano asked you about it again you gave the same answer.