crying but she was tearing up? >> yeah. was tearing up. >> tears coming out of her eyes. >> yeah. >> do you associate that with pain and grief and suffering? >> of course. >> you also, though, told mr. delrano that you had gone to the hospital, correct? >> he had asked me did i want to go to the hospital so i said yeah. >> i know that you had said that earlier to mr. crump and to miss fulton to give a plausible explanation to them for why you didn't go to the memorial service or the wake. is that right? >> yes, sir. >> and then when mr. delrano asked you about it again you gave the same answer.

>> yes, sir. >> but you knew that was a lie? >> yes, sir. >> again, you lied because you wanted to give a plausible answer to miss fulton as to why you didn't go to the wake? >> yes, sir. >> but on april 2nd interview you were, in fact, under oath. >> yes, sir. >> and you knew that? >> yes, sir. >> and you made a decision then because of how difficult the situation you had just been put in, you decided to lie about going to the hospital rather than say something that might be painful? >> yes, sir.

>> in the interview -- in the first conversation with miss fulton on march 19th, and there's a letter on march 19th, at no time did you mention that you heard trayvon martin say "a little, get off, get off"? >> yes, sir. >> is that correct did you say that? >> yes, sir. >> in the meeting that you had, the conversation that you had with miss fulton on march 19th, before you did the interview later, and in the written statement that you prepared for miss fulton, a personal statement, in neither of those

instances did you say that you heard trayvon martin say as you said later," a little get off get off," correct? >> yes, sir. >> that's because you didn't think it was that important at that point? >> crump asked me about when the fight started in the grass, he didn't ask me about that. he asked me about that. >> so, when you decided what part of what you knew to tell miss fulton, you decided not to tell her that part? >> your honor, objection. >> i'm not sure that was her answer so you need to reask the question. i believe she said they never asked her that. >> all right. i'm asking about this witness's

thinking. so when you decided what part of the information that you had about the events on the evening of february 26th, you decided in what to tell miss fulton not to tell her that you heard a little "get off get off" from trayvon martin >> objection. compound. argumentative and mischaracterizing what this previous witness said. >> as far as compound, do you understand the question >> no, ma'am. >> pardon? >> no, ma'am. >> you need to break it down. she says she doesn't understand. >> okay. on march 19th -- >> yes. >> you had a meeting with miss fulton -- >> yes, sir. >> -- out in front of her home? >> yes, sir. >> you had already written the

letter with miss serve to give to her? >> yes, sir. >> when you wrote the letter about what happened on the evening of february 26th, and decided what to put in it, you made the decision not to include that you heard trayvon martin say, "a little, get off get off"? >> yes, sir. >> then when you between miss fulton's house to talk with her and she was so anxious to know what happened -- >> i wasn't in the house. >> know that you were out front. >> when you went to miss fulton's house with the letter in hand to talk with her and she so desperately wanted to know what happened, you among the things that you chose to tell her decided not to tell her that you heard her son say, "a

little, get off get off" on the phone >> yes, sir. >> that's because she didn't specifically ask you? >> no, sir. >> you could explain your thinking? >> i didn't want to be there, sir. >> of all the things that you decided were important to tell her, to write the letter -- >> she didn't ask me. >> she didn't ask -- >> for example definition -- >> she didn't ask me for -- >> programs, reason, none of that. the state asked me that. crump asked me that. so, no, sir. >> how would they know to ask you if you didn't tell them what you knew? >> objection. he's wanting the witness to get in my mind why i would ask something or not. >> to the extent of her explaining why or why not the

state did something i'll sustain. >> whether or not someone specifically asked you, you made the decision not to volunteer that information. >> i didn't think it was important. >> i didn't hear you. >> i did not think it was important so i was not being asked for that, for that part. so it didn't matter. he had asked me that. the state had asked me that. >> all right. we'll talk about that in a little more detail in a minute but let's -- let's progress now to the interview that you gave to mr. crump on the phone on march 19th, later the same day. you acknowledge that nowhere in

that -- what was it about 30 minutes all together? >> you asking me? >> the interview. >> i don't remember. >> but nowhere during that interview did you say in response to any question specific or general that you heard trayvon martin say, "a little, get off get off." >> he didn't ask me when the fight happened i told him beforehand. he asked me did you hear when he was fighting going on, did you hear something was going on between the fight. no, he did not ask me that. the state asked me that, sir. >> what you told mr. crump was that you heard trayvon martin say why you following me, and

then you heard mr. zimmerman say either what your talking about or what your doing around here and then you heard something that you described as sort of a bump, and that the phone cut off. >> the guy had said it's always left other the speaker. >> what you said to mr. crump was at that point the phone cut off. >> yes. i heard a click. >> once the phone cuts off -- >> called back. >> there's nothing else that you have to say, correct, because once the phone cuts off you certainly can't hear anything else that might have been said because the phone had been disconnected? >> yes, sir. >> so you told mr. crump that the phone cut off? >> yes, sir. >> so, if you say at the point

where there was this exchange, the conversation, the exchange, and the bump, and the phone cut off, done that leave the impression that there was nothing else you could hear after that? >> yes, sir. >> and you didn't at that point say oh, by the way, no i heard more after that, actually >> actually more, sir. the state had asked me more, sir. >> well your saying then that

when you told mr. crump that after you heard the bump and the phone cut off that you decided not to tell him that after the bump but before the phone cut off you heard trayvon martin say, "a little, get off, get off"? >> objection, compound question. >> do you understand the question? >> yes, ma'am. >> you may answer the question. >> that interview i think lasted about 13 minutes, i don't know. didn't last that long. because i did not want to be on the phone, sir, so i did not take my time and just like i took my time and i had more time when i was talk being to the state. crump now, so the question is no. >> so all of the things that you thought might be important for them to know about what you

knew -- >> i had told you -- >> -- you decided not to say that before the phone shut off you heard trayvon martin say, "a little, get off get off." >> objection. asked and answered. >> may we approach the bench? >> no. >> yes, sir. >> so, you made the decision then not tell mr. crump that you had actually heard trayvon martin say, "get off get off" because you were in a hurry? >> objection. asked and answered. >> the word "in a hurry" is an additional part to that question, so i'll allow her to answer. >> yes, sir. because crump had other sources. >> you weren't worried about telling him the truth or the whole story? >> first of all crump is not an

officer. i knew that he was not an officer. so, like i told the mother from the beginning, if the officer want to talk to me, know the exact story, everything about what happened that night they will reach me at my number. you got it? >> if i got it, what i heard you to say is you told miss physical opportune is that if they wanted to hear everything that an officer that you would tell everything to an office center >> yes, sir. >> but they didn't put an officer in contact with you? >> i don't know about that, sir. >> you know you didn't get any messages or any calls from an office center >> objection. asked and answered. >> overruled. >> yes, sir. >> so then when you were talking with mr. crump in this recorded interview, for the first time

ever being asked to tell the story about what you knew, you're in a hurry and among things that you chose not to say was that before the phone cut off but after the bump you heard trayvon martin say, "a little, get off get off"? >> objection. asked and answered. >> this is the last time the question will be asked and answered. you may answer. >> yes, sir. >> so let's move into the april 2nd interview where you did have a chance to tell mr. delrano

everything. >> yes, sir. >> and that was your purpose? >> yes, sir. >> this was the interview by law enforcement that you had been waiting for? >> yes, sir. >> that you knew was coming? >> yes, sir. >> and that you were ready to tell everything just like it was? >> yes, sir. >> even if that was different than what you had said before? >> i never thought the mother -- the interview in another white house the mother. >> i never thought the interview with the mother's house with the mother moves. is that what you said? >> yes. >> have you had a chance to read

the transcript of your interview with mr. delrano on april 2nd? 2012? >> no. >> when is the last time you had a chance to look at it? >> two weeks ago. >> pardon me? >> two weeks ago. >> where did that happen? i can't hear you. can you speak up just enough. >> i said fdle. >> the florida department law enforcement? >> yes, sir. >> two weeks ago at the florida department of law enforcement, you had a chance to review the transcript of the interview you gave with mr. delrano.

>> no. i had a chance to listen to tape. >> you had a chance to listen to the recording? >> yes, sir. >> this was at the fdle in miami? >> yes, sir. >> and who was present, if anyone, from the state attorney's office? >> no, sir. two detectives. two fdle detectives. >> do you remember the date that this took place? >> no, sir. >> a couple of weeks ago, those you went to fdle in miami and they gave you a chance to review the statement? >> yes, sir. >> and did you? >> yes, sir. >> did you review any other statements at that time? >> the interview i had, i watched the interview i had with you. >> that would be a video-taped

deposition? >> yes, sir. >> did you have a chance or did you review any other material in anticipation of coming to court? >> no, sir. >> did you review the transcript or listen to the recordings made by mr. crump? >> no, sir. >> let's talk a little bit about the interview on april 2nd, 2012. i know you talked about, in this case already and that you talk about in that case the idea that the phone kept hanging up that day. >> yes, sir. >> so, in other words you and trayvon martin would be talking

and for no apparent reason the call would be lost? >> yes, sir. >> not because you hung up, correct? >> no, sir. >> or because that you know of -- >> bad signal. >> so you were plagued with a bad signal all day. >> yes, sir. >> you really never knew when the phone would disconnect? >> no, sir. usually what would happen when the phone disconnected one or the other of you would call each other back? >> yes, sir. >> so throughout the course of the day you wound up actually speaking with each other several hours? >> yes, sir. >> what you remember about this case, though, and the phone disconnecting was that there were points in time within the conversation after george

zimmerman saw trayvon martin and began watching him that the phone hung up and that you dialed mr. martin back or that he dialed you back? >> yes, sir. >> and then there were points in time where you would remember what was happening after the call was reconnected? >> yes, sir. >> it's your recollection while at the mail box that's when the phone hung up at least once? >> yes, sir. >> and before that, after mr. zimmerman was keeping his eye on trayvon martin, do you remember the phone hanging up and having to reconnect? >> yes, sir. as he began walking back home to try to lose george zimmerman, whatever, george. >> first before you get to that,

we were using this, this point where trayvon martin says to you that mr. zimmerman is watching him. so from that point, you said the phone did cut off a couple of times after that. but think this first. before that point, do you remember talking to trayvon martin after he entered the complex and having the phone disconnect? >> yes, sir. >> where was he and when in the conversation did that take place? >> the middle area. the middle area. >> the only time you remember the phone disconnecting prior to learning from mr. martin that george zimmerman was keeping his eye on him was while, what you believe to be when mr. martin was at the mail area? >> yes, sir. >> and after that -- so after

mr. martin left the mail area, as best as you know, and began walking towards where his -- where trayvon was staying. >> yes, sir. >> did the phone cut off again? >> yes, sir. >> and then did you call him back? >> yes, sir. >> and then after you called him back, that was, in fact, the last call of the evening between you and mr. martin? >> yes, sir. >> that's the call that was cut off? >> yes, sir. >> the call that you lost, whether it was disconnected, before the last call, was when mr. martin was -- >> walking back. >> -- was walking towards where he was staying. >> yes, sir.

>> and he was -- he had told you at that point that the man was in the car? >> yes, sir. >> the man was on the phone? >> yes, sir. >> and that he was, he had decided to go ahead and go on home. >> you told him to do that, right? >> yes, sir. >> in fact, you told him to run? >> yes, sir. >> and as far as you know, de? >> yes, sir. >> and at the point that he ran, mr. zimmerman was still in the car? >> i don't know about that, sir, because he told me he was following him, sir. >> let's break it down step by step. at the point that you told trayvon martin to run, your understanding from piecing it all together was that trayvon martin was headed towards the back of where his father was staying. run from the back? >> yes. >> which means to go in the back

of the house as opposed to the front? >> yes. to try to lose the man who was following him. >> gotcha. so at that point when he was walking and decided to go on home. >> yes. >> that mr. zimmerman was still in the car? >> still following him, sir. >> in the car? >> yes, sir. >> and that mr. zimmerman was on the phone? >> don't know about the phone, sir. >> thought you said that trayvon martin told you -- >> that he was watching him. that he was watching him. trayvon told me the man was on the phone watching him. >> so, trayvon martin had told you that when he noticed the man watching him, that the man was in a car, and that the man was on the phone? >> he was watching him, yes, sir. >> exactly. exactly. >> yes, sir. >> and that he started walking in the direction of his home? >> yes, sir. >> and that the man followed

him? >> yes, sir. kept following him. >> yes. in the car. >> yes, sir. >> and that you had a conversation with mr. martin where you told him, well just run on home? >> yes, sir. >> and as far as you know, he did, correct? >> no, sir. he -- i told him to run home. then he said, no. then said later he would make a run for the back area where his father and fiancee lived. >> let's break that down just a little bit. so at the point -- at the point that he says the man is following me -- >> yes. he was trying to throes man. >> let's break it down this way. mr. martin leaves what you think

is the mail area. and walks in the direction of where he's staying. >> yes, sir. >> yes? >> yes, sir. >> and at that point mr. zimmerman was still in his vehicle? >> yes, sir. >> and mr. martin continued to walk? >> yes, sir. >> and he observed and told you that the man is following him in the car? >> yes, sir. >> and then you said well run? >> yes, sir. >> and he did run? >> from the back area. >>ers on the street or on the sidewalk in front of mr. zimmerman's car at the point that want he decided to run? >> yes, sir. >> and he ran? >> yes, sir. from the back area to try to leave him. >> you don't know whether he ran into the direction where you

could only travel by foot, or whether you could drive? >> no, sir. i don't know the area. >> agreed. no. what you knew at that point, though, was that mr. zimmerman was still in his vehicle, probably still on the phone, because trayvon martin never said he wasn't, and -- >> words are speculating to what mr. zimmerman was or wasn't doing toward phone. >> stainsed. rephrase the question. >> mr. martin never said he wasn't on the phone >> the only time that trayvon told me the man was on the phone when he was at the mail area. that's the only time. he never told me about that. >> right. >> he just told me the fan started following him. >> and that he was on phone and never told you that he wasn't on

the phone? >> no. >> but he was still in the car? >> yeah. yes, sir. >> and then you said well run, and he ran? correct? >> yes. from the back area. >> that's what's confusing. when you say from the back, are you saying that at the point that want he decided to run -- >> yes. >> that he decided to run from where he was to the back of where he was staying? >> yes. >> and you don't know what direction he took to head that way? >> no, sir. >> because you don't know where he was at the point that he decided to run? >> no, sir. >> but do you know that he ran? >> yes, sir. >> and you could tell because you could hear the wind? >> yes, sir. >> and then the phone cut off? >> yes, sir. i think, yes. yes, sir. >> so, at that point you knew

that he was running? >> yes, sir. when i called back -- >> let me take it a little slower. at the point that he ran you knew he was running? >> yes, sir. >> you didn't know if he was running around on the street or sidewalk where mr. zimmerman could continue to follow him in the vehicle, or whether he ran through a cut through or something where no vehicles -- >> objection. are a argue and intive to what mr. zimmerman was doing. he had no knowledge what trayvon martin was doing. >> it would be speculation if -- you have to ask her what she knows, what she thinks somebody else may have been doing. >> yes, of course. what i'm focusing on is at the point that trayvon martin ran, you have that point pretty clear in your mind, correct? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know whether he ran on around on the street that he had been walking on? >> no, sir. >> or whether he ran through a

part of the community where you can't drive? >> no, sir. i told you, when he ran, the phone lost contact. it shut off. so i called back again. >> so, at the point that he ran the phone cut off? >> yes, sir. >> and then you called back. >> yes, sir. >> and how long was it in between you losing the connection and you calling back? >> i don't know, sir. >> well, do you think the phone was shut off by somebody? you didn't hang up, right? >> no, sir. >> you have no reason to think that trayvon martin hung up? >> no, sir. >> so it seemed to you like what had been happening all day that for no apparent reason maybe a bad signal, the call was lost? >> yes, sir. >> so you talked with him then again, was that a minute, two minutes, five second, do you have any sense of after he ran

when it was that you talked with trayvon martin again? >> i don't understand what is your question. >> if i might have a little -- >> let me show you defendant's 16. it's that call chart that we talked about yesterday. >> yes, sir. >> go ahead take a minute and look it a it. yesterday you said that as far as you knew those were accurate times of the calls that you and trayvon martin had on february 26th, correct? >> yes, sir. >> because it was represented to you that those times were taken from the actual phone company records? >> yes, sir. >> so you don't have any

argument with that? >> no, sir. >> well, take a look at the second to last call. >> yes, sir. >> it began at 6:54:16 p.m. and disconnected at 7:11:47. do you see that? >> yes, sir. >> the next call picked up at 7:12:06. do you see that? >> yes, sir. >> and disconnected at 7:15:43. correct? >> yes, sir. >> so let's work backwards. let's assume that at 7:15:43, the phone cut off. when you're describing the interaction between mr. martin and mr. zimmerman. >> yes, sir. >> okay? so that call had started at 7:12:06 which was a little over three minutes, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and there weren't any

interruptions in that phone call? >> no, sir. >> and, frankly, your don't know at 7:15:43 when the phone cut off whether it cut off for any reason other than it was just one more lost call? >> no, sir. >> so, look at the other call, though, the one before it where it says it disconnected at 7:11:47. do you see that? >> yes, sir. >> the next call started at 7:12:06. >> yes, sir. >> if do you the math and figure out how long it was between 7:11:47 and 7:12:06, to me that is -- >> if you need to take a copy of that -- >> that's about 19 seconds, correct?

>> yes, sir. >> so, does that seem to you to be about right? that when trayvon martin ran, ran towards the back of his father's house, while george zimmerman was in the car, that about 20 seconds elapsed before your call reconnected? >> yes, sir. >> so the only time from before 7:00, before any part of this case actually started -- >> yes, sir. >> you were on the phone with mr. martin for all of that time except about 20 seconds? >> yes, sir. >> and it was the 20 seconds

we're talking about where mr. march in this decided to run, and then you reconnected with him? >> yes, sir. >> would this be a good time for a short recess? >> for a brief recess yes. we'll take a 15 minute recess. please remain saeptd miss jeantel. ladies and gentlemen, put your note pads face down on the chair and follow the corporal back to the jury room. >> good morning, i'm chris jansing. you've been watching a blockbuster day of testimony under way in sanford florida. key witness for the prosecution in the george zimmerman trial who has been back on stand for another round of intens questioning this hour. you have been watching 19-year-old rachel jeantel the woman who was on phone trayvon

martin shortly before he was shot by george zimmerman. let's go to our legal analyst, lisa bloom. >> the first thing that jumps out she has a different attitude this morning. the defense attorney even commented about it. almost every question she's answering with sir, yes, sir, no, sir, much more muted attitude. a couple of times she rolled her eyes. a couple of times she gave it back to him a little bit. she said she a good night's sleep. for whatever reason her attitude is different. it seems a big part it but a big part of it is he spent a lot of time talking about who she told in the conversation with trayvon martin she heard him say "get off get off." let's talk about the significance much that. >> one of the biggest issues in this case who was the afwrggrag. the prosecutor says george zimmerman was the aggressor. the defense says george zimmerman acted in defense after

trayvon martin attacked him. we know she was on the phone with trayvon martin. she said the very last thing trayvon martin say was "get off get off" and then the phone went dead which implies zimmerman assaulted him. the problem she has is she told different stories prior to coming to trial and telling that story. she told benjamin crump the family attorney for the martin family she heard a bump and heard the phone cut off. she didn't say she heard the words "get off get off." she wrote a little to trayvon martin's mother "why are your following me" and then the phone cut off. >> we'll continue to follow this trial and have other news of the day. quick break and back with "jansing and company" after this. [ whispering ] shhh. it's only a dream. and we have home insurance. but if we made a claim, our rate would go up... [ whispering ] shhh. you did it right.

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morning about the condition of nelson mandela. he has improved overnight but in critical condition. a spokesperson told nbc news mandela does respond and tries to open his eyes when spoken to. today family members visited the memorial outside the hospital where the anti-apartheid leader is being treated. president obama meantime in senegal this morning where he talked about mandela during a news conference. >> i've had the privilege of meet meeting him and speaking to him and he's a personal her jobs but i don't think i'm unique in that regard. i think he's a hero for the world. and if and when he passes from this place, one thing i think we'll all know is that his legacy is one that will linger on throughout the ages.

>> a lot of conflicting information over the last 12 hours or so. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. those i think, we know more now than we did maybe an hour or so with family members giving interviews, one of nelson's mandela's daughters who has given an interview to our nbc special correspondent, an exclusive interview in which she describes her dad as a fighter and says that the family would welcome a visit from president obama if the doctors allow it. another of nelson mandela's daughters has also given an interview in which she says quote, i don't want to lie, it doesn't look good for her father, but if we speak to him he responds and tries to open his eyes. he's still there. he's waning but still there. we got some of the interview now.

>> he's comfortable. he's responding. he was sleeping when i was there. >> right. >> so when i got in he opened his eyes, smiled at me. he touched my hand. >> so that's some of the interview. i just want to show you some of the scenes out here, the celebration that's happening out here of nelson mandela. look at this. these are -- you may not even be able to hear me. these are young people from the fraikian national congress who have been dancing in the streets here, up and down, all morning, just incredible scenes. i don't know whether you can hear me, but if you want to know how people feel about nelson mandela and about the news this morning that he's still responding. look at this. >> amid the celebration of

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>> this morning president obama said two supreme court landmark rulings on same sex marriage are a victory for democracy and lgbt rights. >> now that the supreme court has spoken, it's important that people who deserve these benefits, that they are getting them quickly. >> as couples celebrated across the country, the president has already asked cabinet members to start going through the federal statutes and regulations that need to be changed. republicans aren't giving up. one congressman says he'll reintroduce a constitutional amendment to make marriage between a man and a woman. >> they won't be satisfied with

this decision. they now want to go on and force their way into people's religious freedoms, and see that churches may have to perform things that they are against. >> i want to bring in politico senior correspondent and editor-in-chief of the national hotline. i'm sure you guys know the human rights campaign is pushing the obama administration to cut through regulatory clutter. diane feinstein said a full repeal of doma is necessary because it would simplify the whole process and she has 39 co-sponsors. how quickly will we see things happen. in a way it's a test of how well government can work. >> how well government in washington, d.c. can work and how well government outside the beltway can work. one of the things we'll see real fast is litigation happening in a number of states, sort of pushing the boundaries of this particular supreme court decision. we've seen coverage this morning of lawsuits that are being filed

in places like tennessee. you can imagine that those lawsuits will be filed in pretty much every state that doesn't allow same sex marriage right now. >> i'm wondering about some individual departments. i was thinking how is the irs going to deal with this? we know 13 states but d.c. including california have legalized same sex marriage. things could get complicated at the irs which has its own problems. >> that's right. the president has directed an effort to try to clarify exactly how federal agencies will deal with this. what will be interesting to see is whether or not that review will prompt any need for doing act, whether congress needs to step in and clarify the statute further. if that happens then we could see a big fight here over this issue once again. but i think you'll try to see the white house sidestep the need forgoing through congress and do things through executive orders and regulatory efforts. >> speaking about a big push one thing it has an immediate impact on is immigration.

senator leahy taking his bill off the table. >> a judge in new york stopped the deportation of a man who was northeastward his partner just moments after the decision came out, so i don't think this has any huge impact on the immigration reform measure going through congress but the fact that leahy's amendment is off table clears what some republicans thought was a poison pill that would have gone into the estimate bill. >> conservatives are not backing off. they will re-introduce a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. ted huelskamp is this like repealing obama care 37 times, largely symbolic >> you're seeing conservatives pushing this but you're not seeing the republican leadership in either house or senate rushing to embrace this. they see the public polls and opinion shift thoechk forth and

saying look this is more of a states issue than a fed issue. there will be a contingent within congress pushing this but i don't think you'll see a ground swell of support and aggressive effort to support it. coming up we're expecting more testimony from that key witness in the george zimmerman trial. it will continue after a short recess ends. we'll have it four live.

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still on a short recess at the george zimmerman trial. we're waiting foray chel jeantel, key witness for the prosecution to take the stand. leapt me bring in two msnbc legal analysts. kendall, let me start with you because lisa said earlier so sensed a change in the demeanor of rachel jeantel. how do you think overall yesterday and today she's doing. is she turning out the be a

significant witness that many people said she would be? >> well the cross today she's more respectful in a sense doing a little better. i still don't think the jury knows what quite to make of this witness. it will be especially important in the prosecution's redirect to not so much rehabilitate her but define her. define her as somebody who is just her because a friend of hers is dead and she happened to be some things he said in his final moments. doesn't want to be here. doesn't want to be around prosecutors, ben. crump -- ben crump or anyone else and if they can define her as not conventional but real and truthful that could be a key to the prosecution getting real value out of this witness. >> we'll have much more coverage ahead. take a quick break and be back with more of this trial after this. "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers,"

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racial comment? >> no. >> you don't think that creepy ass cracker is a racial comment? >> no. >> don west for the defense attorney asking why she left out certain details when talking to benjamin crump. for example before her conversation with martin cut off she heard martin say "get off get off." well jeantel was visibly agitated. >> up weren't worried about telling the truth. >> first of all crump is not an officer. i knew he was not an officer, so like i told the mother from the beginning, the officer want to talk to me, know the exact story, everything about what happened that night, they would reach me at my number. got it? >> joining me right now from sanford, florida,g