right now is president is in capetown, south africa and expected to speak to young people there. we will bring that to you live. in egypt, they are racing if are more deadly demonstrations after a new wave of aspect morsi protests called for today on the first anniversary of his presidency. from new york to san francisco, huge gay pride celebrations are under way with the supreme court victories bolstering those events. meanwhile, an emergency motion is filed to block the gay weddings that have begun in california.

plus, paula deen fallout as she loses another deal. what's next for her? >> hello, everybody. it is high noon in the east and 9:00 in the west. welcome to welcomes with alex witt. alex is off today. we will give you a live shot of the university in cape in south africa where president obama is set to speak momentarily. the president arrived earlier today. this is his latest stop on his visit to africa. ahead of his speech, the first family visited the jail where former south african president nelson mandela was held for 18 of his 27 years behind bars. we are taking a video of that visit. a very important moment for both the president and his family as they look back on history there in africa. right now at this moment, we are waiting for the president to speak at the university of capetown. he will be talking about a lot

today including nelson mandela. as soon as that gets under way, we will bring it to you live. kristin walker is in cape and we will go tote her in a few minutes. we will move on for the moment. just in time for pride week, the landmark decisions by the supreme court gaving same-sex couples. they have turned the gay pride parades into joyful victory celebrations. take a look, new york's empire state building in support of lgbt pride all lit up. in new york city with the latest. michelle, how meaningful is today's parade with the supreme court victories? >> it has very special meaning, the annual parades that take place and mark the anniversary of the gay and lesbian rights movement. we are at the end of the parade route here in new york city and the parade is just getting under

way in the chelsea area about 36th street and it winds down here to the birth place of where that movement took place 44 years ago at the stonewall inn where this parade will endoup. joining in this parade to mark this week that it has been for equality for the lgbt group edie windsor who was at the center of the lawsuit that the supreme court this week said that they could receive, gay couples could receive federal benefits and gave that equality. the 84-year-old widow was at the center of that and serves as grand marshall as they march down here. a lot of significance as well as what you mentioned. weddings taking place in san francisco. since the supreme court also decided this week that they

could allow and restore the same-sex marriages to take place in that state. >> i want to talk about this. even though there celebrations and challenges to the recent decision, what's the reaction there to that? are you hearing about that? >> today's seems to be focused on the celebrations and the festivities and what a historic weak it has been. there more struggles ahead and say this is more milestone and they will not give up a fight for equality. >> thank you. >> we want to head back to capetown, south africa where president obama is expected to speak any moment now. kristin welker is there traveling with him. what are you expecting him to say today? >> betty, good afternoon. this is president obama's key note speech of this entire trip. first of all, i expect him to talk about the impact nelson

mandela had on his life as you pointed out earlier. they toured where nelson mandela was held for 18 of the 27 years he was imprisoned. i expect him to invoek another larger than life figure which is robert kennedy who gave a speech here in 1966 against apartheid, speaking out against it. i expect him to talk about how far they have come since then and talk about the challenges that remain and the big announcement today will revolve around how president obama will announce a partnership between the u.s. and six african nation says over the next decade and announce that so far between the government and the private sector, they have come up with about $16 billion to begin that. that's one theme. i expect him to talk about opportunity and the importance of investing in food security,

health, to try to combat hiv and aids which is a pressing problem here in south africa and throughout the region. i also expect him to talk about the importance of democracy and celebrate the demock rasys that emerged and the regions that are challenged including congo and the sudan: if you put it into the broader spectrum of the president's trip, his overarching message has been that the united states and african relationship needs to shift from aid-based to mutually beneficial. i expect his theme to fit into that broader theme. the president has gotten a warm welcome here, however he did get a mixed reaction where there were protesters actually who were opposed to his foreign policy for a number of different reasons. that is what i am expecting from

the president's speech which should get under way shortly. >> a lot of people are thinking about nelson mandelmandela. what are you hearing with his condition. >> to some extent it is overshadowed by nelson mandela's health. at last check, he is in critical, but stable condition. his ex-wife said she had seen some improvement in the former president of south africa, but obviously there is a lot of concern. his wife has been at his bed side for the past several weeks that he has been in the hospital. president obama yesterday called her along with the first lady and the president also visited with family members. two daughters and eight grandchildren to extend his concern and support of them during this difficult time. it is to say that the health of else in an mandela has been a theme throughout this trip. president obama paying tribute to him on various stops he made

over the past few days. >> indeed. we will be waiting for the president's speech and bring you that live. >> to front page politics and new today, house minority leader nancy pelosi is speaking to "meet the press" about the landmark decisions on same-sex marriage. >> look how fast things have changed. even when we went over to listen to the oral arguments at the time of doma in march, the chief justice said people seem to be falling all over them, tripping all over themselves to come out and support gay marriage. the generation of people think in a different way about this kind of discrimination. i'm optimistic that the momentum is with ending discrimination. >> five years is achievable, you think? >> i certainly hope so. >> less than 24 hours after

california started issuing marriage licenses, lawyers for sponsors of the gay marriage ban filed an emergency motion with the supreme court asking it to put an immediate stop to the weddings. they are arguing that the ninth court of appeals acted unfairly by asking the marriages to resume on friday. >> the california congresswoman is weighing in on immigration we form passed boy the senate and whether she thinks there is enough support to pass it in the house. >> i believe that the members of congress, many more than are directly affected themselves by the number of hispanics in their district will do what is right for our country. it is right for the republicans if they want to win a presidential race. i think there enough. the question is do we have to have these pi r scared math mall cal formulas. >> joining me to break this down

is reporter for "the washington post," emily heil and contributor and editor of the grio. thanks for being with us. >> let me start with you. nancy pelosi thinks there enough votes. is she being optimistic? >> there enough votes in the house, but the question is are there enough republican votes? that remains to be seen. the pr issue is on house speaker john boehner to figure out what he is going to put on the floor. that's not clear just yet. he said he is not putting the senate bill on the floor. whatever the alternative is. it's going to have to take up or get the support of a majority of republicans, another bar he set. it's unclear what will wind up on the house floor. that is evolving. the other thing that she might be optimistic about is the willingness of house republicans who don't face pressure from latinos at home to think about

this more broadly and think about the presidential implications. it might seem like a rudimentary point to make,us about the important to understand what's going on right there. that's what house members face the different dynamic. they don't have to run, but they have to answer the folks at home. there 24 house republicans with districts that have more than a quarter of hispanic population. >>. >> i will bring you in. pelosi did make the point that republicans need to pass this if they want support from latino voters in the future. if they want to win a presidential race and immigration stalls in the house and it is not passed, where will that leave the gop with latino voters? >> it will be problematic with republicans. they are about 10% of the electorate and obama won them by 70%. romney only 30%. it makes it hard if they are

losing by 40 points. that said, if you are asking them to vote against their own self interest for the president later on. for most it is a smart things. >> i am going to have to break in. i understand the president is walking out right now. he is about to -- he is at the podium speaking. let's take a listen. >> [speaking foreign language] i have been practicing. [speaking foreign language]

see, i have been practicing. howzit? did i leave anybody out in? i didn't want to leave anybody out. i want to thank vice chancellor max price who is here as well as arch bishop. it's wonderful to have them in attendance. i am so happy to be here today. it is wonderful to see all of these outstanding young people. i had the honor of going to robin island with michelle and our two daughters this afternoon. this was my second time. i had the chance to visit back in 2006, but there was something different about bringing my children.

malia is now 15. sasha is 12. seeing them stand within the walls that once surrounded nelson mandela, i knew this was an experience they would never for dpet. i knew they now appreciated a little bit more the sacrifices that they made for freedom. what i also know is because they had a chance to visit south africa for a second time, india and everything in between. learning and living in a south africa that is at peace. obviously today his health

weighs heavily on our hearts. like billions all over the world, i and the american people have drawn strength from the example of this extraordinary leader and the nation that he changed. nelson mandela showed us one man's courage can move the world. he calls on us to make choices to reflect not our fears, but our hopes. in our own lives and in the lives of our communities and our countries. that's what i want to speak to all of you about today. some of you may be aware of this, but i actually took my first step in the political life because of south africa. this is true.

[ applause ] i was the same age as some of you. 19 years old. my whole life ahead of me. i was going to school on a campus in california. not quite as pretty as this one, but similar. i must confess i was not always focused on my studies. there were a lot of distractions. i enjoyed those distractions. as the son of an african father and a white american mother, the diversity of america was in my blood. but i never cared much for politics. i didn't think it mattered to me. i didn't think i could make a difference. like many young people i thought that cynicism, a certain ironic detachment, was a sign of wisdom and sophistication.

but then i learned what was happening here in south africa. and two young men came to our college and spoke. i spent time hearing their stories. i learned about the courage of those who waged the defiance campaign and the brutality levelled against innocent men, women, and children from sharpsville. i studied the leadership. and the examples. i anyhow that while brave people were imprisoned just off these shores on robin island, my own government and the united states was not standing on their side.

that's why i got involved in the divestment movement in the united states. it was the first time i ever attached myself to a cause. it was the first time also that i ever gave a speech. it was only two minutes long. i was really just a warm up act at a rally we were holding, demanding that our college divest from apartheid south africa. i got up on stage and started making my speech and then as a bit of political theater, some people came out with glasses that looked like security officers and dragged me off the stage. fortunately there no records of this speech. but i remember struggling to express the anger and the

passion i was feeling and to echo in some small way the moral clarity of freedom fighters an ocean away. i will be honest with you. when i was done, i did not think i had made any difference. i was even a little embarrassed. i thought to myself what's a bunch of university kids doing in california that is somehow going to make a difference. it felt too distant from what people were going through in places like this. but looking back, as i look at that 19-year-old young man, i'm more forgiving of the fact that the speech might not have been

that great. because i knew and i know now that something inside me was stirring at the time. something important. that was the belief that i could be part of something bigger than myself. that my own salvation was bound up with those of others. that's what bobby kennedy expressed far better than i ever could when he spoke here at the university of cape in 1966. he said each time a man stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. and crossing each other from the million different centers of energy and daring those ripples

build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. now the world was very different on that june day in 1966 when bobby ken doe spoke those words. mandela faced many more years as a prisoner. apartheid was entrenched in this land. in the united states, the victories of the civil rights movement were still uncertain. in fact, on the very day that kennedy spoke here, the american civil rights leader james meredith was shot in mississippi where he was marching to inspire blacks to register to vote. those were difficult, troubled, trying times. the idea of hope might have

seemed misplaced. it would have seemed inconceivable to people at that time that less than 50 years later, an african-american president might address an integrated audience in south africa's oldest university and that this same university would have conferred an honorary degree to a president nelson mandela. it would have seemed impossible. that's the power that comes from acting on our ideals. that's what mandela understood. it wasn't just the giants of history who brought about this change. think of the many millions of acts of conscious that were part

of that effort. think about how many voices were raised against injustice over the years. in this country, in the united states. around the world. think of how many times ordinary people pushed against the walls of oppression and resistance and the violence and the indignities they suffered and the quiet courage they sustained. think of how many ripples of hope it took to build a wave that would eventually come crashing down like a mighty stream. so mandela's lifelike kennedy's lifelike gandhi's life, like the life of all of those who wanted

a better south africa or more just america. they spanned as a challenge to me, but more important low as a challenge to your generation. they tell you that your voice matters. your ideals. your willingness to act on those ideals. your choices can make a difference. if there is any country in the world that shows the power of how many an beings to effect change, this is the one. you have shown us how a prisoner can become a president. you have shown us how bitter adversaries can reconcile. you confronted crimes of hatred and intoll rens with truth and love and wrote into your constitution the human rights that sustained freedom. those are only the most

publicized aspects of south africa's transformation. alongside south africa's struggle, other battles have been waged to fulfill the lives for far too long were denied economic opportunity and social justice. during my last journey here in 2006, what impressed me so much was the good works of people on the ground. teaching children, caring for the sick, bringing jobs to those in need. in -- township. i'm still working on some of these things. i met women who were living with hiv and this is at a time back in 2006 where there were still challenges in terms of the policies around, had iv and aid.

they were keeping their families together and helping and working on behalf of each other. i met people who were striving to carry forward the legacy of hector peterson. at the rosa parks library, i was struck by the energy of students who wanted to capture this moment of promise for south africa. and this is a moment of great promise. south africa is one of the world's economic centers. obviously you can see it here in capetown. the country that saw the first how many an heart transplant, new breakthroughs are being made in the treatment of hiv and aids. i was just talking to your vice chancellor. people come to this country from over 100 countries to study and teach. in america we see the reach of

your culture from freshly grounds concerts to the -- [ applause ] we have the in, andos a couple of blocks from the white house and thanks to the first world cup held on this continent, we know the sound of the vuvu. i'm not sure that's the greatest gift, but progress is also rippled across the african continent. from senegal to malawi. democracy weathered strong

challenges. many of the fastest growing economies in the world are here in africa. there is a historic shift taking place. from poverty to a growing middle class. fewer people are dying from preventable disease and more people have access to health care and more farmers are getting products to market at fair prices. from the finance products to cell phone entrepreneurs in nairobi. an energy can't be denied. africa rising. we know this progress rests on a fragile foundation and we know that prodpresz is uneven. across africa, the same institutions that should be the backbone of democracy can too often be infected with the corruption.

the same technology that enables record profits means widening a canyon of inequality. the same interconnection that binds our faiths makes south africa vulnerable to the under toe of conflict. there is no question africa is on the move. but it's not moving fast enough for the child still anguishing in poverty in forgotten townships. it's not moving fast enough for the protester who is beaten. or the woman who is raped in eastern congo. we have more work to do. these africans must not be left behind. that's where all of you come in. the young people of africa. like previous generations, you have choices to make.

you get to decide where the future lies. think about it. over 60% of africans are under 35 years old. so demographics means young people are going to be determining the fate of this continent. and this country. you have time and numbers on your side. you will be making decisions long after politicians like me have left the scene. i can promise you this. the world will be watching what decisions you make. the world will be watching what you do. because one of the wonderful things that is happening is where people used to only see suffering and conflict in africa, suddenly now they are seeing opportunity. the resources and for investment

and partnership and for influence. governments and businesses from around the world are sizing up the continent and making decisions about where to invest their own time and energy. as i said yesterday at a town hall meeting up in johannesburg, that's a good thing. we want all countries, china, india, brazil, turkey, europe, america, we want everybody paying attention to what's going on here. it speaks to your progress. i traveled to africa on this trip because my bet is on the young people who are the heartbeat of africa's story. i am betting on all of you.

as president of the united states, i believe that my own nation will benefit enormously if you reach your full potential. if prosperity is broadly shared here in africa, that middle class will be an enormous market for our goods. if strong democracy takes root, that will enable our people and businesses to draw closer to yours. if peace prevails over war, we will all be more secure. if the dignity of the individual is upheld across africa, then i believe americans will be more free as well. because i believe that none of us are fully free when others in the human family remained shackled by poverty or disease or oppression.

america has been involved in africa for decades. but we are moving beyond the simple provision of assistance for an aid to a new model of partnership. between america and africa. a partnership of equals that focuses on your capacity to solve problems and your capacity to grow. our efforts focus on areas that shape our lives. opportunity, democracy, and peace. so first off, we want a partnership that empowers africans to access greater opportunity. in their own lives, in their communities, and for their countries. as the largest economy on the continent, south africa is part of a trend that extends from south to north, east to west. more and more are poised to take off.

and increase trade and investment from the united states has the potential to accelerate these trends. creating new jobs on both sides of the atlantic. i am calling for america to up our game when it comes to africa. we are bringing together business leaders from america and africa to deepen our engamement. we will launch new trade missions and promote investment from companies back home. we will launch an effort to renew the african growth and opportunity act to break down barriers to trade and tomorrow i will discuss a new initiative to expand our ties across the continent. we want to unleash the entrepreneurship and markets to create opportunity here in africa. it was interesting yesterday at the town hall meeting i had with a number of young people. the first three questions had to

do with trade. there was a recognition that these young people said i want to start something. i want to build something and then i want to sell something. now, to succeed, these efforts have to connect to something bigger. this is not just about numbers on a balance sheet or the resources out of the ground, societies and economies only advance as far as individuals are free to carry them forward. just as freedom cannot exist when people are imprisoned for political views, true opportunity cannot exist when people are imprisoned for sickness or hunger or darkness. the question we have been asking is what will it take to empower individual africans? for one thing, we believe the countries have to have the power to feed themselves. instead of shipping food to

africa, we are now helping millions of small farmers in africa make use of new technologies and farm more land. through a new,a loins in the private sector, we are investing billions of dollars in agriculture that grows more crops and brings more food to market and gives farmers better prices and helps lift 50 million people out of poverty in a decade. an end to famine, a thriving african agricultural industry. that's what opportunity looks like and what we want to build with you. we believe the countries have to have the power to prevent illness and care for the sick. ourests to combat malaria and tropical illness can end child and maternal deaths from preventable disease. already our commitment to fight

hiv and aids saved millions and allows us to imagine what was once unthinkable. an aids-free generation. while america will continue to provide billions of dollars in support, we can't make progress without african partners. by the end of my presidency, south africa determined it will be the first african country to fully manage the hiv care and treatment program. that's an enormous achievement. [ applause ] healthy mothers and healthy children and strong public health systems. that's what opportunity looks like. and we believe the nations must have the power to connect their people to the promise of the 21st century. access to electricity is

fundamental to opportunity this this age. it's the light that children study by, the energy that allows an idea to be transformed into a real business, the lifeline for families to meet their most basic needs and it's the connection that is needed to plug africa into the grid of the global economy. you have to have power. yet 2/3 of the population in subsaharan africa lacks access to power. the percentage is much higher for those who don't live in the cities. today i am proud to announce a new initiative. we have been dealing with agriculture and health. now we are talk about power. power africa. a new initiative that will double access to power in subsaharan africa. double it.

we will start by investing $7 billion and partner with the private sector who themselves committed more than $9 billion in investment and in partnership with african nations, we will develop new sources of energy and reach more households not just in cities, but villages and on farms. we will expand access for those who live off the power grid. we will support clean energy to protect our planet and combat climate change. [ applause ] a light where currently there is darkness. an energy to lift people out of poverty. that's what opportunity looks like. so this is america's vision. a partnership with africa that

unleashes growth and the potential of every citizen not just a few at the very top. this is achievable. there is nothing that i outlined that cannot happen. history tells us that true progress is only possible where governments exist to serve their people and not the other way around. [ applause ] if anyone wants to see the difference between tyranny,

citizens brave bullets to have that right, the ability to be free. to determine your own fate in your own land. mandela's example extended far beyond that victory. like america's first president, george washington, he understood democracy can endure when it's bigger than just person. his willingness to loaf power was as profound as his ability to claim power. [ applause ] the good news is that this example is getting attention across the continent. we see it in free and fair elections from gona to zambia. we hear it in the voices of civil society. i was in senegal and met with

civil society groups including a group that meant fed up. that helped to defend the will of the people after elections in senegal. we recognize it in places like tanzania. text messages connect citizens to their representatives. we strengthen it when organizations stand up for democratic principals like they did. but this work is not complete. we all know that. not in those country where is leaders enrich themselves with impuni impunity. not in communities where you can't start a business or go to school or get a house without paying a bribe to somebody. these things have to change.

they have to change not just because such corruption is immoral. it's also a matter of self interest and economics. governments that respect the rights of their citizens and,a bide by the rule of law do better, grow faster, draw more investment than those who don't. that's just a fact. just look at your neighbor. zimbabwe. the promise of liberation gave way to the corruption of power. then the collapse of the economy. after the leaders of this region led by south africa brokered an end to what is a long running

crisis, zimbabwe has a new constitution, the economy is beginning to recover. this is an opportunity to move forward. but only if there is an election that is free and fair and peaceful. zimbabwe can determine their future without fear of intimidation and retribution. after elections, there must be respect for the universal rights on which democracy depends. these are things that america stands for. not perfectly. but that's what we stand for. that's what my administration stands for. we don't tell people who their leaders should be, but do stand up with those who support the principals that lead to a better

life. that's why we are interested in investing not in strong men, but strong institutions. independent judiciaries that enforce the rule of law and police forces that protect the people's interest instead of their own. an open government that can bring transparency and accountability. yes, that's why we stand up for a civil society. for journalists and ngos and organizers and activists. they give people a voice. that's why we support societies that empower women. no country will reach its potential unless it draws on the talents of our wives and our mothers and our sisters and our daughters.

just to editorialize for a second, my father's home country of kenya like much of africa, you see women doing work and not getting respect. and i tell you, you can measure how well a country does by how it treats its women. [ applause ] and all across this continent, men all-around the world, we have more work to do on that front. we got some sisters saying amen. now, i know there some in africa

who hear me say these things and see america's support for these values and say that's intrusive. why are you medaling? i know those argue that ideas like democracy and transparency are somehow western exports. i disagree. those in power who make those arguments are usually trying to distract people from their own abuses. sometimes they are the same people who behind closed doors are willing to sell off their owncountry's resources so long as they get a cut. i was telling the truth. [ applause ]

ultimately i believe africans should make up their own minds about what serves african interest. we trust your judgment. the judgment of ordinary people. we believe when you control your destiny and you have a handle on your governments, then governments will promote freedom and student. that will serve you. it shouldn't just be america who stands up for democracy. it should be africans as well. here in south africa, your story inspired the world. through the power of your example and through your position and organizations like the african union. you can be a voice for the human progress that you have written into your own constitution. you shouldn't assume that's unique to south africa.

people have aspirations like that everywhere. this brings me to the final area where our partnership can empower people. the pursuit and protection of peace in south africa. so long as parts of africa continue to be ravaged by war and mayhem, opportunity and democracy cannot take root. across the continent, there places where too ahn fear prevails. from mali, senseless terrorism perverts the meaning of islam, one of the world's great religions and takes the lives of innocent africans. from congo to sudan, they rob men, women, and children of the lives they deserve. too many countries, the actions

of thugs and war lords and drug cartel s and human traffickers hold back the promise of africa and enslaving others for their own purposes. america cannot put a stop to these tragedies alone. you don't expect us to. that's a job for africans. we can help. we will help. i know there is a lot of talk of america's military presence in africa. if you look at what we are actually doing, time and again we are putting muscle behind african efforts. that's what we are doing where the nations of west africa have stepped forward to keep the peace as mali rebuilds. that's what we are doing in central africa. we are a coalition of countries that is closing the space of

where the army can operate. that's what we are doing in somalia where a union forces helping a government to stand on its own two feet. these efforts have to lead to lasting peace and not words on a paper. or promises that fadeaway. peace between and within sudan and south sudan so they get on with investing. peace in the congo. with nations keeping their commitments so rights are at last claimed by the people of this war torn country and women and children no longer living in fear. [ applause ] >> peace where people will make their voices heard in new elections this summer. in each case, africa must lead.

and america will help. america will make no apology for supporting african efforts to end conflict and stand up for human dignity. this year marks the 50th anniversary of the oau, now the african union. an occasion that is more historic because they are taking on these challenges. i want america to take our engagement not just on security issues, but on environmental issues and economic and social issues. educational issues. i want to take that engagement to a new level. i am proud to announce that next year, i will invite heads of state from across subsaharan africa to a summit to launch a

new chapter in u.s.-african relations. [ applause ] >> as i mentioned, i will host a summit to engage the leaders and tomorrow's leaders in figuring out how to best work together. let me close by saying this. governments matter. political leadership matters, and i do hope that some of you here today decide to follow the path of public service. it can sometimes be thankless, but i believe it can also be a noble life. but woe also have to recognize

that the choices we make are not limited to the policies and programs of government. peace and prosperity in africa and around the world also depends on the attitudes of people. too often the source of tragedy, the source of conflict involves the choices ordinary people make. that divide us from one another. black from white, christian from muslim, tribe from tribe. africa contains a multitude of identities, but the nations and people of africa will not fulfill their promise so long as some use these identities to

identify subjuigation. an excuse to steal or kill or disenfranchise others. ultimately that's the most important lesson that the world learned right here in south africa. mandela once wrote, no one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion. people must learn to hate. if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love. for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite. [ applause ] i believe that to be true.

i believe that's always done true. from the dawn of the first man to the youth of today. all that came in between here in africa. kingdoms come and gone. the crews bell of slavery and emergence of colonials. senseless war and iconic movements for social justice. squandered wealth and soaring promise. mandela's words give us a compass. we always have the opportunity to choose our better history. we can always understand that most important decision. the decision we make when we find our common humanity in one

another. that's always available to us. that choice. i have seen that spirit in the welcoming smiles of children. and the children on kenya's indian ocean coast. that spirit exists in the mother who wants a life of dignity for her daughters and in the south african student who braves that to get to school. it can be heard in the songs that rise from villages and city streets. it can be heard in the confident voices of young people like you. it is that spirit, that innate longing for justice and equality for freedom and solidarity. that's the spirit that can light the way for you. it's in you. as you guide africa down that long and difficult road, i want

you to know that you will always find the extended hand of a friend in the united states of america. thank you very much. god bless you. thank you. >> and you have been listening to president obama speaking there at the university of capetown. he talked about a number of subjects, obviously about nelson mandela and his effect on the country. man's courage can move the world. kristen welker has a wrap up of what we heard from the president. hi, kristen. >> hi, betty. it's notable that president obama was speaking to an audience of young people. you heard him remark that 60% of the country is under the age of 30. a stunning figure when you think about it. it fits into what we see this president do when he travels to israel and really talk to young

people. they have been supportive of him in the united states and particularly in his last campaign. again, reaching out to the next generation. as you pointed out, he framed his speech by starting off talking about nelson mandela, someone he called a personal hero. earlier he visited robin island where mandela was imprisoned for 18 of the 27 years he was imprisoned here in south africa. you heard him talk about the legacy he left. namely he brought about democracy and freedom and justice here in south africa and you heard the president talk about another huge figure. robert kennedy who delivered a historic ripple of hope speech in 1966 when he spoke out against apartheid in the middle of the civil rights movement as well. a charged moment. the president talking about how far south africa and this entire region has come since then. you heard him talk about the challenges that remain.

poverty is an issue and disease is still an issue. he really challenged those youth to tackle some of the challenges that they are facing as they head into is their adulthood. he made a big announcement during that speech that he, the united states is going to partner with six african nations to double access to electrical power here in subsaharan africa over the next decade and the experience of that moving forward. you heard about investing in foot security and health and safety and hiv and the fact that south africa will be taking the charming over the aids relief program here and they will be the first african nation to do so. really a lot boiled into that speech, but it plays into the overall theme he has been addressing during his past several days here in africa. namely that he would like to see the u.s. relationship with africa shift from that is based

primarily on aid to that is more mutually beneficial. a partnership, he called it. president obama has gotten a warm welcome, but there has been opposition and protest when he was at the yesterday of johannesburg. people protested his foreign policy and use of drones. failure to close guantanamo bay. a number of africans just disappointed that he department make this trip sooner. part of that speech is an attempt to reach out to some of his critics and say we are here now and trying to work towards a stronger relationship with africa. really that speech being the key note speech of his entire is trip and his last stop will be tanzania tomorrow. >> it's his last chance to leave a significant impact on the continent. an initiative that can be vital to africa.

he mentioned over 60% of africans are under 35. time is on their side. doubling access to electricity, that is going to be huge to that continent's future, isn't it? >> that is the hope. so far the united states government along with the private sector have found $16 billion to commit to doing exactly that. it's important for the obvious reasons. you heard the president talk about a child who wants to do their homework, but obviously more complex reasons as the country tries to move forward in terms of development. it will be significant if that is something that the united states and africa can achieve. betty? >> we appreciate your time. thanks if are joining us. more reaction to the president's speech and the latest on the nsa leaks. joining me is alan grayson. thank you for being with us.

first off, i want to get your key take away from the approximate the's speech. he covered a lot of topics. what really struck you? are. >> it was an excellent speech and hearing a speesh like this reminds me of what we first saw when he was running for president. this is the speech where president obama is doing hard work of elevating america's image around the world. he is doing his best to remind people that america stands for democracy and freedom and justice and e kwa willity and peace. i am happy to see we are making prodpresz in that regard. >> he made it clear that america stands behind africa. i want to shift gears to julianne assange who is speaking out about edward snowden, the nsa leaker. i want you to take a listen to this. >> no one is alleging that any of these acts, anything other

than political. he acted in a manner to draw attention to the very serious problem in the united states where without the will of congress and the population, we have a state within a state. we have a transnational surveillance apparatus. >> okay, so contrary to what julianne assange said, many say this is more than political. you recently gave a speech saying uncle sam's big brother. is snowden a whistle blower or traitor? >> it's irrelevant. all he did was release do you means that speak for themselves. one document in the case that every phone call in this entire country even if you call your mom, even if you call across the street to the pizzeria. they result in meta data being delivered to the defense

department. the second thing he identified through releasing a document speaks for himself. there is a program called prism that appears to be dragneting e-mails and online photos and every time you touch a computer including log ins and log outs. it simply doesn't matter whether he's a good or bad person. that's irrelevant. it's an iq test for america. are we smart enough to recognize we don't need to go to these extreme measures to protect ourselves from several hundred people living in pakistan and af ga know stan who might want to do us harm one day. >> susan rice said in an interview the stories have not damaged u.s. foreign policy nor have they weakened the obama presidency. do you agree with that? >> i think that the spying is what has damaged u.s. foreign policy. they think we are spying on them.

we still don't know it is truth. we will learn more about that. if you live in germany and japan. if you live anywhere else in the world and you say to yourself, i have nothing to do with america. i have done nothing wrong. i am not part of any group. why are they reading my e-mails? is it that's a good question. it's not anything that snowden has done that hurts america. it's the fact that we are doing this in the first place. it's an unforced error. it's harming our reputation in a deep and long lasting way and serves no purpose. it's an iq test. do we have to be spying upon the japanese to stop terrorism? i don't think so. >> according to the nsa head, keith alexander said that 54 terrorist events were thwarted and said that the programs provided the initial tip in all but one. do you believe that and do the claims say that all of these ends, if you will, justify the means?

>> no. listen, there lies and damn lies and statistics. in this case it's all three. if you tease ought the nuances, he is saying that every time they thwarted a plot that had anything to do with data, that justifies spying on any american and we don't even know the extent yet. that doesn't make sense. can't we parse out what is useful from what is mot? are we that stupid? >> all right. we,a appreciate your insight and thanks if are joining us. >> developing now in egypt, hundreds of thousands of people you see right there gathering in cairo at this hour on the an verse of president morsi taking office. there have been large anti-government demonstrations all across the country and here in cairo, protesters filled the square and surrounding the presidential palace. joining me from cairo is nbc

news correspondent. with so many people gathering, you can hear them. how peaceful is this crowd? >> this is one of several taking place across the country. it is extremely large alone outside the palace. you can probably see it is at least a mile and a half long of this main street that runs in front of the presidential palace and a short while ago and hovering above overhead is a military helicopter. not only here in cairo outside the palace, but also inside the iconic tahrir square and cities across the country. by some estimates, it is as many as 22 million people. that number is based on the number of signatures and opposition campaign here managed to get over the course of the last several months. they are calling on president mohammad morsi to step down from power.

a year after being elected he failed to live up to the promise of the revolution. the situation has gotten worse and polarized the country and it is as divided as it has been between the liberal and secular youth opposition. the supporters including the brotherhood that backed mohammad morsi. two camps have taken root and right now the battles unfolding over the next several days really are a test of wills about which one of these two will prevail. president morsi and his supporters say he is the democratically elected president of the country and it would be unacceptable for him to step down because he garnered the most votes, but there people who voted for him who say he abused his power and run the country amok. the concern is that it can get violent. they have seen protests in the past since wednesday when the

street started to swell with the opposition protests. since then we have seen seven people killed including one american and that's why the country is on a heightened state of alert and the military is being deployed. we heard from the secretary of state john kerry that the united states is watching closely what is going to happen in egypt in the coming hours. >> we are watching close low as well. a test of wills. thank you. >> to front page politics and new reaction today in the senate passing comprehensive immigration reform with bipartisan support and the chances of passing in the house, here's what and chuck schumer are saying. >> i'm hopeful to convince our house colleagues and i intend to address him with respect. i believe that speaker boehner has a tough job ahead and i

admire his leadership. we have a lot of work to do. >> by the end of this year, the house will pass the senate bill. that's not what they think now and they say no, that's not what's going to happen. i think it will. >> we are just hours away from student loan interest rates doubling fre ining for millions students. they scheduled a vote for july 10th to freeze the current rate of 3.4% for subsidized stafford loans for a year, but that rate will double to 6.8% tomorrow because congress failed to reach an agreement before leaving for a week long vacation. in a moment, what were cia agents doing working inside the new york city police department? i mean, i haven't actually lost any weight, but i feel skinnier, you know? not really. aaah! jessica! whoa!

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it is a revelation that shocked many people. a new declassified report details how the agency had at least four agents embedded with the new york police department up until last year. the agents reported no limitations on the work and unfiltered access to police records. joining me now is the man who literally wrote the book on the nypd. christopher dickey. bureau chief for news week and the daily beast and author of securing the city. the n.y.p.d. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> you have been reporting on the close ties for a very long time. now the "new york times" publishes this report with surprising details. can you surprise how close this relationship is?

>> it is close since 2002 since they took over for deputy commissioner. he was a former director of operations for the cia with a lot of connections there. what happened was they were desperate for information. a deal was cut between cohen and kelly and george tenet who was the head of the cia to have somebody embedded to act as a conduit to all the intelligence about threats to new york city. they wanted a direct line to the agency so they have an idea what the threats were to new york rather than waiting for the bureaucracy to sort it out. that's how it started. >> one of the most fascinating characters is lawrence sanchez. you want that he is the who said he had no limitations, zero on what he could do. describe for us, who is sanchez and what did he do?

>> he was a long time operative for the cia and worked with the department of energy in a senior intelligence role. he went to the nypd on temporary duty still on the cia payroll. there were limitations on what he could do. then he moved over into a position where he was being paid by the nypd and still had his security clearance and he was on loaf without pay from the cia. under those circumstances he said he felt there were no limitations. none of the limitations that applied to the domestic intelligence gathering applied to him. that's a very murky area. he played a fairly interesting, but problematic role within the nypd. he believes you can not only do a lot of surveillance, but you can actually get a jump on

terrorists not only by knowing what they were planning, but knowing what they wanted to do before they knew themselves what they wanted to do. that all got into a murky area. he is no longer with the nypd or the cia. >> the people are watching this and a lot of people are shock and wondering is this program just unique to the nypd or could it be happening in other places as well? >> i don't think it would do them much good anywhere else. one of the advantages, if you will, for the ccia. 40% of the people in new york city were not born in the united states of america. it is a window on the rest of the world. if you want to know what's going on in yemen, you can go to the yemeni community in new york city and start to talk to people through many different ways and find out more about what's going

on than if you are walking around other places. that is a useful thing. the ny approximate, d has yrkn. they speak languages that are hugely useful in counter terrorism. most don't have anything close to those resources. i don't think the cia would be as interested this them and also that they would be as interested in, wooing with the cia. new york and washington, d.c. are the targets. that's a special city kept safe. >> what i find fascinating about all of this, you might i keep coming back to that basic question are what are the alternatives. i have yet to find an answer that seems satisfactory. it should be said, new york city has been secure. in this case do you think the

ends justify the means? was it worth it? >> i think any new yorker would say it is worth it. there have been a few close calls that make people wonder just how vulnerable they still are. we think anybody who lived through 9-11 and anybody who looked at them kept the city safe. >> indeed. we do appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >> we reached out for a comment and the commissioner said we are proud of our relationship with the cia and training experties which is this part responsible for the 11 years since 9/11, there has not been a single casualty of a terrorist attack in new york city. >> vice president biden calls about edward snowden. what do you think he told him? that is still ahead.

. there new developments involving leaker edward snowden. vice president joe biden has spoken with ecuador's president about asylum in ecuador. it was wide ranging, but the white house will not provide more details about the call. the president said he asked him to turn down the asylum request in a friendly and cordial conversation. joining me now is editor for the news hour. political reporter for "the washington post." thanks for being with us. aaron, let me start with you. this is a buck statement from the obama administration. he said he was not going to personally get involved in at this time snowden dealings. is the vice president's call a sign the wows is more involved in the situation than they are letting on? >> i think the obama statement that he was not going to

scramble jets to get this guy was more a reflection of he was not going to cause an international ipsident ncident. he would rather put a phone call in taking away his passport that is a very effective strategy isolating him in the moscow airport according to the president. the administration is doing certain things. they are not doing things to cause them any heartburn or infringe on the rights of other countries. they want to avoid that. this is a sensitive topic for them. >> the u.s. believes snowden is holed up in moscow's transit zone somewhere there. officials say they can't consider his asylum request until they arrive at the embassy. how is this going to play out? we are doing a lot of where in the world is snowden? >> i don't know how it's going

to play out. we know it sounds like there more documents that will be released and more reports coming forward that snowden was able to dig up during his time as a contractor. that's something that you expect political pressure on the president and members of congress from the intelligence panel. they have a week at home and it may not be that intense, but mid-july you can expect more when they come out. >> it's not over yet. i want to shift gears, the same-sex marriage race to marry. they are racing to stop them. they sent an emergency request to the supreme court asking it to stop the weddings on the groups the decision was not legally final. are they grasping at straws? >> it's a difficult path for them as far as the federal government goes. the justice department is not going to do anything to prevent california from moving forward with same-sex marriage.

on the other hand, they solved this decision as a major victory for gay marriage supporters. it was, but it wasn't a blanket gay marriage is legal across the united states. this will still be played out in a number of states in the coming months starting with states like new jersey and hawaii and oregon and new mexico. they are gearing up for this. we have the sense that this is kind of a matter of time before this becomes a reality nationwide. there there a lot of states where there is a lot of resistance. conservative groups will put a lot of money into the fights on the state level. they may have lost the national fight for now, but there is a lot of fighting to be done at the state level and they think eventual they can reverse the momentum and roll back this gathering storm. >> it seems like it's still under way and marriage is proponents will not stop until

all 50 states recognize the unions. opponents say they won't back down either. which side is better equipped? are pa. >> you saw them organizing for action put out an e-mail almost immediately after they announced a decision saying they wanted to start getting efforts going in certain states. if you have grass root activity, it steps up and takes a lot of signatures and money and energy to get something on a ballot and every state has different laws for how something gets on ia ballot. you have several states that might be the next grounds whether they have laws on the boo beings or can be revisited. you have a lot of states have their marriage between man and one woman cemented in stone. are there going to be legislative efforts? i am not sure you will see a lot of money coming from the social conservatives. >> why is that? >> they might be better off

spending it on abortion measures where the groups have a lot of success at the state level. that's a better place perhaps for their money because public sentiment has changed so dramatically. >> your article is to recruit more women. what program programs are you talking about? >> they want more women involved in at this time process. they want to move away from the so-called old boy's network that still exists in the party. you look at the house and there three times as many women in the democratic party as republican women. in the senate, there four times as many women as republican women. even at the senate level have started to elect more hispanic candidates and more african-american candidates, they haven't made a lot of progress with women. this is a recognition that they need to start at the base level and get them involved in the

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did you see it? week two of testimony in george zimmerman's trial. we saw week and it was fascinating. george zimmerman pleaded not guilty. he said he killed trayvon martin in self defense. the jury is sequestered after a busy week of compelling testimony after a long line of witnesses. joining me now are attorneys and prosecutors. thanks for being with us. let me start with you. i watched this testimony throughout the week. i was glued to it. what struck you the most?

>> i was stunned by the aftermath of rachel's testimony and what it created in this country. she turned out to be a polarizing figure. >> she was on the phone with trayvon moments before all of this went down. what about the demeanor of rachel? it seems like a lot of people have been talking about that. before you consider that, i want to get to video that shows that testimony and her demeanor. >> i thought in fact that you said that it could have been for all you know trayvon martin smashing george zimmerman in the face is what you heard. >> what? >> just earlier today. >> my who? >> by you. >> you didn't get that from me. >> what effect will that have on the jury? >> i think it's going to have a good effect. she came across as believable. she is 19 years old and she comes across as a bit naive and not super educated. a common girl.

a good person. she didn't want to be dragged into this. >> you can tell she didn't want to be there. >> anyone who is a witness doesn't want to be a witness and to be a witness in a case that is nationally televised. a lot of people said she was put in a tough situation and she didn't want to be there. it's difficult to be a witness. >> do you agree with that? the jury is an all female jury and there a lot of moms. she is just 19 years old. she didn't want to be there. there have been inconsistencies in her story. did that testimony show her as believable? are. >> the inconsistencies are so slight and insignificant if you take it as a whole. she presented incredibly credible. she stuck to her guns when it came down to it. there were clearly times she was combative with mr. west. she never backed down from the essence of her story. if are that i think the

inconsistencies will be set,a side. >> i agree. she said i didn't go to the wake because she was in the hospital. i don't think that's a big deal. >> she is a 19-year-old who doesn't want to be there and doesn't want to get caught up in this so she is telling a lie to stay out? >> loo being at the ramifications of her life. we continue to talk about her after this trial is over. now let's take a step back. you understand why she was so hesitant. >> the main thing the prosecutor wanted is she is on the phone and saying somebody is coming towards me. in spite of whether to use the word cracker and that doesn't matter. zimmerman is approaching trayvon and that is what the prosecution want and that's what they got. >> they provided interesting insight as to how that went down. that being john good, the neighbor. how key was the testimony? >> that's the defense case.

they almost don't have to put the case on. he said zimmerman was being beat up. he testified the whole time he was watching, that's all he saw. you have zimmerzimmerman's 0s a that's their case. >> my position is and what i would argue for either side, there may have been wrestling that you have to explain the different testimonies. one woman said trayvon was on top and another said zimmerman was. my explaination is that there was rolling around and each was on top at different moments in time. >> are you expecting to hear from martin and zimmerman's family members this week some. >> that's a dangerous thing. with any of the family members, if trayvon's people go on the stand and say he was an angel and a great kid, they say why was he kicked out of school. might he have had drug problems

and the same with zimmerman. >> i believe the parents have to testify to corroborate the voice on the 911 call. >> even with that, the father said it wasn't my son's voice. it's risky no matter how you slice it. . >> we will see how it plays out. thanks if are your insight. we appreciate you being here. george zimmerman sued nbc universal for definition and the company denied his allegations. >> paula deen and a discrimination lawsuit gone public revealing she used a racial slur in the past which she doesn't deny. she is struggling to keep her empire together as businesses it know to distance themselves from her. joining me now is chris witherspoon at thegrio.com. thank you for being with us. how is the african-american community reacting to the

accusations of racism against her? >> there a lot of people in the african-american community are shocked by what she said. we are shocked at the backlash that she received with all these major corporate companies like qvc, target, sears and wal-mart, they are distancing themselves from paula dean because they know a lot of their shoppers and consumers are african-americans. paula deen has gone and hired a crisis manager who is a black woman who knows better than anyone how to put out a scandal. it is based on judy smith. she may not know needs to be done to save paula deen. >> former president carter who has known deen saidy think she has been pubbished perhaps oversee verly for her honestly and a use of a word in the distant past. she apologized profusely. >> what is your reaction to that? >> i agree with what she is

saying. i think she hasn't apologized enough. to go on a media blitz and do every show? >> you don't think she is talking too much? are. >> she only talked in bit sbrou. >> one was on the internet and she did it again on the "today" show. >> i don't think it's enough. she needs to talk about this saga and this horrible thing that happened to her. say is over and over and over until journalists and the media are tired about that. we want to focus on her cooking. >> are book deals have been canceled including wal-mart and home depot and jcpenney have severed ties with her. how much more can the brand take? >> she was one of the highest grossing celebrity chefs. right now she lost $12.5 million. she can't endure too much more

to keep her empire up and running. >> deen has been aapologetic, bt also de90. here's what she said on the "today" show. >> i have apologized. i would never and i can truthfully say in my life, i have never with any tension hurt anybody on purpose. i is what i is and i am not changing. >> she is what she is and she is not changing. was that the right strategy? >> i think that was the wrong strategy. i think judy can handle this. if she can get her in front of the right person like oprah to allow her to weep and mourn and ask for forgiveness and take it from there. >> very interesting topic. thanks if are joining us. mayor michael bloomberg ignites

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call us. we're here to help. . texas showdowns. stop and fisk. this week's must read. let's bring in the big three panel, editor for roll call. msnbc contributor and msnbc contributor and strategist jimmy williams. thanks if are being with us. let me start with you. take a listen to texas governor rick perry talking about democratic senator davis after her successful filibuster of a controversial bill in texas. >> she was the daughter of a single woman. she was a teenage mother herself. she managed to eventually graduate from harvard law school and serve in the texas senate.

it's just unfortunate that she hasn't learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and every matters. >>. >> i watched this closely and grou up in texas from there. does this governor have a point or was that simply poor taste? >> once again we have another man prognosticating about women'ses and privacy. it has nothing to do with the woman getting up and filibust filibustering. you have to commend her for that. it was a little bit pat ronizing. that's the male attitude you find in texas and especially le coming from him. >> she is not backing down and spoke on "meet the press" and here's part of what she said. >> i think the comments that he

made demeaned the high office that he holds and saw such a strong reaction to it. >> what's your reaction to this controversy? >> she has a point and she feels strongly about this. i believe the governor could have made his point more artfully, but you have to remember two things. he was speaking to the and this is texas. no disrespect to your home state, but this is conservative. the last polls i have taken a look at support this abortion legislation. it's not like they are out of the mainstream. he is speaking on behalf of constituents. the bottom line is i do think he was patronizing in his remarks. >>. >> you are a woman. how do you feel about this? >> i will be looking for what happens in the next couple of months. if rick perry decides to run for reelections, he has not been shy

about running for president and how this will and that comment affect that? i will look at wendy davis and the governor's association reached out to her. they would like her to run for governor. a lot of people here in washington would like to see her run for congress. we will see how far she goes. texas is a very republican state and conservative state. it may not be a question of whether she can win. maybe she can't given the political nature of the state, but how far can she get? >> they needed to broughten their base and make inroads with the women. if they made any headway, are they losing it by focusing on issues like abortion? in. >> they are making a more organized effort in washington. we saw six different committees organized parties and on friday roll out the female recruitment program. they are on the operative level, this is a concern for them.

in many ways, the party is working against its own best efforts. any time they get momentum, someone said something that is insensitive and a lot of women would perceive as insensitive. >> we will move on and that is stop and frisk. the "new york daily news" writes pushing back against critics of stop and frisk policing, mayor bloomberg said it could be argued that the police department stops white people too many times and nonwhites too middle. they made one day after they passed two bills to in the police tactic touched off a firestorm of criticism. hoerz a listen to what the mayor had to say about it. >> most crimes in our city are committed by male minorities 16 to 25. it comes to policing, they have to be able to go out and stop, look for those that fit the

description of a witness or a victim after a crime. >> the mayor said racial profiling is not a problem with this program. what do you make of the mayor's comments? are. >> two say, mr. mayor, try looking like me. try to bring a brown person, an african-american male, maybe you're driving what is perceived to be an expensive car down the turnpike. all of a sudden the police pull you over and frisk you for no apparent reason just because you're black. mayor, you don't know what it's like to be a brown american. i don't understand his comments. except to say he's living in an ivory tower and not rooted in reality. it is offensive. it is extremely, extremely sensitive. and one would think that being the mayor of such a diverse city, he should know better. >> jimmy, is this sensitive? >> if i were an african-american man or woman, i would think so. but i'm not. i have no problem with stop and

frisk. my problem is, the mayor is now saying less whites need to be stopped and frisked. i don't agree with that. if you have a policy keeping the residents safe, it should be applied across the board. don't just stop 15 to 25-year-old black males, stop white males as well. i'm pretty sure there are white males in the city that commit the crimes and you should stop them as well. >> shari, do you agree? >> i think so many times, especially in this last fourth term of his, he said many things that have left people's heads scratching. there might be an argument against term limits, because he has nothing to lose by saying something as insensitive as this. the big three's must reads. the big three's must reads. stay with us. no we're good! the big three's must reads. stay with us. this is your first time missing a payment. and you've got the it card, so we won't hike up your apr for paying late. that's great! it is great! thank you. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card with late payment forgiveness.

taking a live look right now, you are watching the gay pride parade making its way through the streets of new york. obviously this having special

meaning on the heels of the supreme court wins this week. in fact, our big three are going to be talking about this in their must reads. >> my must's read for today is in the "washington post." they did a deep dive into what the decision really meets for gay rights. gay rights activists are very happy with the supreme court's decision. gay rights supporters set goals of the majority of the population that live in the state, 60% support. the movement still has a long way to go. >> jimmy, what's your take for the must-read? >> the great pulitzer prize "new york times" reporter has written a smart piece on the insight, the brain of chief justice john roberts, and how he was the scourge, and the scorn of fellow

conservatives last year at this time, when he came down on the side of obamacare. but he has firmly planted himself into the conservative side of the court with his dissents in the perry case and prop 8 indication. it's a very good read, and something that linda is a brilliant writer, so something worth reading. >> and robert, you've got an interesting one as well. >> thank you, betty. in "the new york times," a great story on hillary clinton in 2016, and how karl rove and mitch mcconnell are basically saying, hit the rewind button here, because the clinton in 2016 may be a rerun of the golden girls, trying to classify hillary clinton who's been a has-been. and the question is, is somebody ready for someone who's been around for quite some time and be 69 when she runs for president again. >> all interesting stuff. thank you very much. appreciate you joining us.

>> thank you. and that wraps up this sunday edition of "weekends with alex witt." up next, "meet the press." have a great day. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+.

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