somebody who learns to shoot a gun with their nondominant hand after a brain injury is not looking to take your guns away. but she is also somebody who doesn't give up easily after a few setbacks. we have updates on the situation in egypt tonight and on the testimony in the george zimmerman case. but first, the fight over abortion rights has moved to north carolina. >> surprise republican sneak attack in north carolina? >> the anti-abortion bill. >> the effects of this bill will close clinics. >> the enslavement and domination of me and my body and my uterus.

>> a surprise move against abortion rights. >> the medical misinformation. bad public policy. new this bill does not even merit debate on this floor. >> and the process that god is here is not worthy of this body. >> began as a bill to ban al-sharia law? >> designed to shut down as many clinics as possible. >> because they don't have enough parking spaces or their awning doesn't need a certain standard. >> my faith and values are strong and valid and important. and legitimate as yours are. >> they're hiding what they're doing. >> north carolina republicans may have just picked themselves a serious fight. >> and going to get out of town before the public can react. >> that crowd is going to descend on you.

>> republicans in texas, ohio, and now north carolina are trying to pass legislation that would shut down abortion clinics. today, the republican-led north carolina senate passed this bill, the family, faith and freedom protection act, not one democrat voted for the bill. the bill reads, no qualified health plan offered through an exchange and operating in this state shall include coverage for abortion services. the physician providing any drug or chemical for the purpose of inducing an abortion shall be physically present in the same room with the patient when the drug or chemical is administered. the department of health and human services rules shall ensure that standards for the clinics certified for the purposes of abortion are certified for the licensure of ambulatory services.

opponents say it would shut down all but one clinic in the state. they added the amendment to the bill, banning sharia law, to limit the debate on these measures. this was the scene at the north carolina legislative building after the vote. the bill now heads to the desk of republican house speaker tom tillis, who has announced a run for u.s. senate. if he wins the nomination, his general opponent will be democratic senator kay hagan, who will join me in a minute. her colleague in the senate, senator marco rubio, plans to be the moderator. a rubio adviser tells "the washington post" today says he has been asked to introduce the bill in the senate.

he did not make the final decision before leaving on a family vacation. i expect an announcement when he gets back to d.c. next week. joining me now, democratic senator from north carolina kay hagan, and msnbc's joy reid. senator hagan, what would this bill mean to the women of north carolina if it becomes law? >> well, if this is a health care bill about women, i am glad any state legislator in raleigh is not my doctor. when i look at what the leadership and the general assembly is doing, under a sneak attack they put forward -- they forced a sweeping anti-women's health care bill that -- with no public notice, no transparency, and that doesn't pass a public scrutiny test in north carolina. those are not the values that we hold. this is certainly a distraction. what we've got to be focused on in north carolina, everybody

tells me the number one issue is jobs and the economy. and what does our general assembly do? you know, once again, right before a holiday weekend with no public notice, no transparency, this is the kind of legislation that they put forward. they have been working on anti-middle class legislation, anti-women, and anti-voter rights. and it is wrong. it is not the values in north carolina. >> joy reid, do you get the kind of sense there is a kind of cross-border reaction among the states that are taking action this week? >> yes, absolutely, lawrence, when you look at what is happening in texas and now north carolina, i sort of see a hand on to group of americans united for life. you know, while the national right to life committee, the committee that says they would like to see marco rubio sponsor that legislation nationally. they get a lot more ink. but they are a legislation-writing factory, they write legislation that

really sounds very similar to the bill in texas, to the provisions here and in ohio. and i think what probably happened here is that the legislators in north carolina looked at what is happening in texas and other states where women are fighting these laws, where they're fighting these bills. where they're coming out and protesting, where it is becoming national news. and decided to make the world's sneak attack. what they think it is, is exactly what they're doing in these bills, imposing a religious dictate to these women. >> this came up in the governor's campaign debate when he was running, let's listen how governor pat mccrory handled this question, on what he would do in a situation like this when it came up in a debate. >> if you're elected governor, what further restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign? i'll start with you, mr. mccrory? >> none. >> senator kay hagan, you rarely hear one-word answers in political debates.

that was a pretty solid and clear answer. >> well, i think just like the distractions that are taking place in ohio and texas and now in north carolina, i don't think people have learned about what took place in the 2012 election. women want to make their own decisions. women listened, and when women's access to preventive health care and treatment is being brought in a sneak attack like what occurred last night in raleigh they pay attention. women vote, and women vote with their feet, which means they work in the grass roots. they work the polls. they work phone banks. i don't think this is what people in north carolina want to be discussing. and i think we need to go back to looking at the real issues and that is jobs and the economy. >> senator, what are the prospects for this bill, given that the governor said in the campaign that he would not sign such a bill?

and your potential opponent, tom tillis, in the house of representatives there, did you expect him to bring it up in the house of representatives and get it passed there? >> you know, lawrence, we'll have to wait and see. once again, when under the sneak attack yesterday before a holiday weekend, with no notice, i think this is the wrong way to put forward legislation. we'll have to see what happens in the house. and the governor in north carolina, a law can still be passed without his signature. he just doesn't have to do anything. so i am concerned. >> oh, i see, joy reid, there is some real pressure on marco rubio now when he returns from vacation. >> yeah, the idea would be that this would be a palate cleanser from the republican base on immigration. so this would be a chance to sort of rehab at a time himself with the far right, but once again we're looking at the legislation model, where the anti-abortion movement is trying to provoke a supreme court

showdown by going state to state to state, passing very similar bill, i guarantee you, lawrence, if you asked the legislators what are in the bills they probably wouldn't even know. there was a story in texas, the two sponsors of the texas bill when asked by their colleagues couldn't even explain the bill. but these are so dangerous, because where there is a republican governor or legislator, that could provoke the challenge that the opponents hope will overturn roe v. wade. >> senator hagan, if they move to limit the abortion to 20 weeks, what will happen? >> you know, once again, i think we've got to be focused on jobs and the economy. when we go back next week we have got to take immediate action to be sure that the students' debt doesn't double. right now, people are telling me

we need to work on that and have a focus. when i think about a bunch of men sitting in raleigh debating how wide a hallway should be in a women's health care clinic i think that is totally absurd. >> joy reid, harry reid has said that he would not bring up such a bill, if it looks like it wouldn't have any real chance of getting through the senate. >> yeah, it clearly wouldn't, these are the type of bills that take place in the house. if marco rubio were to introduce it, i think ted cruz would introduce a bill trying to one-up him. this is really about getting right with the base of the republican party. on a national level these guys know that these kind of bills won't pass. they know they don't pass the smell test nationally, but they know they can pass it in the state. and i think marco rubio, if he wants to run for president is going to be very tempted to push

this issue for those who say he is not conservative enough. >> senator kay hagan, thank you for joining us from this important issue from your state, and joy reid, thank you for joining us. thank you. coming up, it was csi day today on the george zimmerman trial. the forensic scientist is here to talk about the evidence heard in court. and we'll get the latest from egypt where president morsi is is out and the military is in control.

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it never has before. simply by placing an announcement on the treasury department's website. we have listened to your feedback and we are taking action. the administration is announcing that it will provide an additional year before the affordable care act, mandatory insure required acts begin. that is mr. obama deciding to delay for a year the implementation on employers providing health insurance. now, you might think that republican opponents of obama care who want to see the legislation never go into effect would cheer the administration for delaying at least part of the law's implementation. but, big surprise. they didn't cheer. >> well, if he can just delay obama care what else can be delayed that he doesn't like? what is the reason we go through the legislative process if when

it is all over the president can pick and choose what he is going to allow, and what he is not going to allow. what he is going to permit and what he isn't going to permit. what he is going to implement. what he isn't going to implement. why even go through the legislative process? you know, we -- we thought egypt was a country in trouble. obama just cancelled the game. he didn't want obama care to play out so he cancelled it for now. he will play the game, we'll go back to it when he has got the congress in his back pocket. then he will reschedule the game. i mean, folks this is the stuff of banana republics. laws have no meaning. >> to explain all of this is ezra klein, editor of "the washington post" blog.

and a columnist. ezra, what is going on here? they slipped this out, did it so quietly. seems like it is a very significant change. >> i am not sure, i can explain the rush limbaugh comments, but they have this part of the bill. it says if you're a -- an employer who has more than 50 employees and you don't offer health insurance, you have to pay a penalty between $2,000 and $3,000 for every employee over 30 employees. so it is a little bit complicated. it is worth saying in the history of the employees, he wanted employers to pay 70% of the cost, when bill clinton put forth his, he wanted them to pay 80%. it is about 2,000 firms employing 1 to 2% of the work force.

this is the part of the situation that gets the most criticism. it focuses on this 50-employee cut off. it gives the employers who are right around the number 50 a reason to have fewer full-time workers. gives them a reason either not to hire or to cut hours. and so on the one hand, the reporting, to figure out how many hours they have, how complicated it is, on the other hand the stories coming out are very bad for them. this is where rush limbaugh has a little bit of a point, where they're not going to enforce the penalties for a year. they say it is to streamline it. i think a lot of people think it is political. either way it is not a huge political deal, but it is a big change, because the republicans thought it would be their best weapon against it. which is the story of the employers struggling with the bill and maybe even firing people. >> ezra, i know this particular provision is not a favorite of yours in the bill, it is not

mine, either. there are ways to manipulate it, making full-time employees not full-time, which means there could be 30 hours or less, there are so many ways to manipulate to get around it. also there is a financial possibility that a company would look at it, saying i would rather pay a fine of $2,000 per employee than actually pay for health insurance for those employees at 5,000 a head, or something like that. >> the average employer basically, $16,000. i agree with you, i don't like this part of the bill. and i think i'm more radical than you maybe on this. i don't like employers being involved in health care at all. i don't think it should be working this way. now, what i do think is that you need to pick which road you're on. the area we're moving into is not a great one. if you're going to keep employers in the center of health care, then you need to ask them to do something. we're not asking very much of them.

in the long run i would love to see it get repealed entirely in place of a much better way of doing it or with a more aggressive plan. this is where you get into why the obama administration did it the way they did it. the republican party thinks there are all of these things wrong with obama care. what they will not do under any circumstance is improve under any of them. even if they agree something is wrong. they want it to collapse, so they won't do anything to help it. so you have situations where the obama administration, instead of being able to go to congress and say okay, you guys didn't like this part of the plan. we don't like it or we don't think it is working that well. let's change it. the only option they have -- they said don't enforce the penalties for at least a year. i don't think it is a great way to run a railroad. but on the other hand, we can't make the american health care system any better because republicans are hoping that on

an issue where they have already lost or it is already law they can essentially try to get the law repealed simply by making it work very, very poorly, no matter how many people get hurt along the way. >> yeah, it used to be if the side passed the bill that the other didn't want, if both sides down the road agreed it was a problem they would work together to try to fix that thing to at least make it better. but you're right, there is no real legislative hope for that good sense these days. ezra klein, thank you very much for joining us today. >> thank you. coming up, an emergency meeting at the white house with egypt once again under military control. that is next. and later, it was a day of ballistics and dna evidence in the second degree murder trial of george zimmerman. out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged.

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members of his presidential team are now under house arrest. nbc's richard engel is in cairo with more, richard? >> reporter: good evening, lawrence, from a very noisy tahrir square, some people called what happened today a coup. that is certainly the way the now ousted mohammed morsi is calling the situation. in fact in his only speech, he said a revolution has been taken from us. they are not calling it a coup. they say the army intervened at the people's request for change. just watch, and listen. it is the cry of millions of egyptians, an outpouring of joy and relief that a weight has been lifted from their shoulders. the end of an experiment in political islam gone wrong. >> i am crying because i'm so happy. so happy we get rid of them.

>> we are now free, egypt, out of the muslim process. >> reporter: pushed once again, by the military. tonight, the army helicopters flew over tahrir square dropping flags. egyptians lit them up with lasers, thanking them for driving out morsi, who they claim neglected the needs of the people while in power. make no mistake, these celebrations are not against islam or even islam and politics but against morsi and the muslim brotherhood for using religion to win votes and then governing badly. the celebrations were triggered by this highly anticipated outrage. morsi out, the head of the constitutional court, the new president, but only until the elections. the army stressed it doesn't want to run egypt. but can it be believed?

and what about morsi and their supporters? they're calling this a naked coup, and a front to islam, a plot by israel and america. they're furious. the army has deployed armored vehicles to contain them, but they are armed. and some could start an insurgency. what about democracy? is a military intervention really what they wanted? no, but they say it was the only choice to fix the mistake they don't want to repeat. but lawrence, while the scene here appears very much a celebration and positive, there are deep concerns in the country about what will happen next. in fact, the u.s. embassy which is located just to the back of tahrir square has ordered the evacuation of all non-emergency personnel and their families and is even telling u.s. citizens living in egypt to leave. lawrence? >> richard engel, thank you.

joining me now is embassy dennis ross, a former envoy to the middle east for former president clinton and assistant to president obama. he is now a counsel for the washington institute for near east policy. embassy ross, is this a positive step in the right direction for egypt at this point? >> you know, it is a very difficult question to answer. if you look at the scenes that we were just watching there is very little doubt that i think a very significant part of egyptian population feels that this was a necessary course correction. many of the people who are out there celebrating now were also a year ago celebrating the election of president morsi. it is not that they don't want democracy, it is that they feel in a sense the revolution was hijacked by president morsi and the muslim brotherhood. and they didn't necessarily want the military to be once again intervening but they felt they didn't have a choice. they didn't see much of a recourse. so the question is, is the

military going to come in and preside over an administration that really does permit and encourage institutions to develop? or will they in fact play the kind of role they did immediately after hosni mubarak. my guess is they don't want to play much of a role politically because they didn't do very well the last time they tried. also, they're looking at the political situation in egypt and know it will be difficult to bring about something positive very soon. they felt the country was on the road to collapse. you had the defense minister who was the one responsible for leading this intervention, warning over the last couple of months that if something was not done to create greater stability within egypt there was a dark tunnel that the military had to prevent from unfolding. and they would do so. their ultimatum again, was another chance for morsi to try to find a way to be inclusive,

and not have a government that was shaped in a way to have control and not to share power. there is enormous uncertainty right now. we have to see how the muslim brotherhood responds to this. they have failed, but the question is do they try to mobilize their own support and react with force or do they decide to bide their time? if it is the latter, they wale wait and see which direction. >> president obama said he is concerned by the decision of the egyptian forces to remove president morsi as an elected president. he says i now call on the egyptian president to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected government as soon as possible. what would you be advising president obama tonight? >> well, i think the main thing

i would be advising is to stick to that line. keep a focus on general principles, which are in fact, one, create a basis for drafting a constitution that in fact, can be much more inclusive. one of the problems that morsi created was that he basically tried to issue a decree where he ruled out any judicial oversight. he rushed through a referendum to ensure that a very narrow body could draft a constitution. so i would be focuses on one, drafting a new constitution, two, setting a date for new elections, three create a government that would focus on the needs and address the fundamental economic problems. and also try to restore security and law and order. i think if we could emphasize those kinds of principles, and if the military was appointing this type of technocratic government, we would be on track

and consistent with where most of the egyptian people are. one of the problems we see is that many in the streets felt like they were supporting the muslim brotherhood. that is not a position we were necessarily or necessarily wanted to be. >> ambassador, thank you for being here. >> you're welcome. and coming up, did george zimmerman lie to sean hannity? that was one of the questions, as well as the forensic evidence in the case. .

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. >> a lot of this case legally has to do with "stand your ground." you've heard a lot about it. and i'm just curious, prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground? you had never heard about it before? wow. >> that video was shown yesterday in the trial of george zimmerman. then today, the man who taught george zimmerman about the "stand your ground" law testified. >> i wanted to teach a class from a practical standpoint where these students can really relate and take something from it and apply it to their own lives. you know, with florida and other states they have what is called the "stand your ground" law, which evolved from the castle doctrine through case law.

>> and did you cover that specifically? >> yes. >> did you discuss specifically self defense and "stand your ground" laws in connection with the violent crimes such as murder? >> yes. >> that was alexis carter who taught a course in criminal law, a course where one of his students was george zimmerman. >> and actually, do you remember what kind of grade you gave him? >> i gave him an a. you always kind of remember your smartest student, or the one that stood out the most. the one that probably was not the best student. and he was probably one of the better students in the class. >> joining me now, faith jenkins, a former criminal prosecutor, and gary casimir, a former new york city prosecutor who handles criminal and civil litigation now.

faith, the jury now knows what george zimmerman looks like when he is not telling the truth. that sean hannity tape, his response clearly is not the truth. as -- the guy who taught him about self defense and stand your ground law proves today. >> right, and that interview is going to be so crucial. the prosecutors are going to play that tape in their closing statements. because it is not just the fact he lied, it is how he said it. he looked right at sean hannity, with his attorney sitting by him, the entire nation watching. and his demeanor is the same, when he recounts the events the night he shot trayvon martin. he doesn't flinch for a second, he obviously didn't tell the truth. he said he never heard of "stand your ground." and then his professor testified that he went over this law numerous times in his class because he wanted the students to understand the practical impact of this law.

it was a clear and bold lie. >> and it is obviously something that george zimmerman understood since he got an a in the class, sean hannity says wow, because it is a surprising answer. and an important answer to a good question by sean hannity. and also in saying wow, it kind of gives the person you're talking to a chance to amend what they're saying. he could have said well, i knew a little bit about it. we talked about it in class once but i'm not an expert on it. >> right, i think what you're going to have is the defense team trying to explain that the self defense course, maybe they didn't use the "stand your ground"s. regardless of that, the question becomes what do the facts present themselves -- what is the effect of knowing the "stand your ground law"?

does it change the fact or circumstance that it happened? and i think it shows that doesn't change the facts today. >> he didn't have to lie about it, he chose to anyway. if he is going to lie about the small things just because he thinks he can get away with it, he is going to lie about the big things. >> the jury is going to end up deciding what happened that night. you saw a lot of things here, a guy trying to go to school trying to be a quote unquote, cop. that is a rarity. the prosecution is bringing this guy out, trying to suggest oh, he is a bad guy because he is taking classes? >> no, he is an over-zealous neighborhood watch guy, he is taking these classes, he failed, trying to pursue the endeavor, he was not watching, he was driving and carrying a loaded gun. >> i guess the question becomes, does that make you a bad person? you want to be a cop?

you're a want to be person? is that going to change the jury's mind? or did he do it on his own? did he get a's, go to class? i don't think they're going to make him into a bad person because he went to school. >> this testimony brought in a -- brought up an opportunity for a larger discussion of self defense law, since there was an expert in effect on the stand. so i want to show what prosecutor richard manti brought out, about what they call imperfect self defense, where in effect, you use too much self defense, too much power. let's listen to this exchange. >> when i talk about what i call imperfect self defense, there is a situation where you do not need -- the force that you are encountering, you meet that force disproportionately.

it is excessive force. >> so i guess in the ultimate level of force in these scenarios is deadly? >> deadly force. >> like a gunshot. >> like a gunshot. >> faith jenkins, that seems to be what this case is all about. once that encounter was under way between trayvon martin and george zimmerman, what was the proper amount of force to use? >> right, and george zimmerman was -- is arguing deadly force was necessary. and the prosecutors are countering that argument with based on everything we know about george zimmerman, his attitude towards trayvon, before he ever knew him, ever saw him, he called him a punk, an a-hole, he was a suspect. he was inclined to over react, he was inclined to be the initial aggressor in the situation. and he had his gun and it was ready to be loaded and fired.

>> i think there are two directions, you can't say is -- if you're a prosecutor, he was a second is degree murderer, and then say he overreacted. there were two very different allegations and resulted in different sentences. there is a sign they could be losing this case, that is not a great move. >> faith, if the jury were to go for a lesser charge in terms of a conviction, do you think it is a -- i mean, gary seems to be saying there could be a very high risk in the prosecution overcharging at this stage of the case. >> i don't think the prosecutor overcharged her with second degree murder, based on the statements that george zimmerman said about trayvon, assuming he was committing a crime when he was just walking down the street, referring to him in a group, these people, putting him in a category with other people he saw in the neighborhood that

he thought were suspicious. and they always got away. and trayvon was not going to get away. now in hindsight, after trayvon martin was killed everybody learns he was not doing anything wrong. that is why they charged him with second degree murder. it is a high threshold, i think there will be a possibility they ask for a manslaughter charge, and there could be a compromised verdict -- >> well, faith, i tell you, if they charge him simply because he used f, punk, or was a watchman, he thought they did certain crimes, it is not enough. >> it is a depraved mindset. >> not enough. >> faith jenkins and gary casimir, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up next, the forensics in the case, so far including the dna evidence on the gun. la's known definitely for its traffic, congestion, for it's smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus.

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>> what did you find distance-wise when you conducted the test with this particular sweat shirt? >> this was consistent with residue and physical effects of a contact shot. >> so again, evidencing that the end of the gun was against the material when it was fired? >> yes. >> all right. >> that was firearms expert amy seawort, testifying about how close the gun was to trayvon

martin's chest when george zimmerman fired the gun. it was a day when the testimony was not as much about the dna that was found as it was about the dna that was not found. anthony gorgon told the court that the gun did not show dna that matched trayvon martin. he also said that he could not find george zimmerman's dna under trayvon martin's fingernails, or on the cuffs of his hooded sweatshirt. the defense tried to suggest the evidence was compromised on. on don west's cross examination, the dna analyst testified about the condition of trayvon martin's hooded sweatshirt, which he said was wet, smelled like mold and ammonia and had been put in a biohazard bag, instead of a brown paper bag. >> ideally, yes, you would like

to air dry them before you package them. and on top of that, you know, we encourage our agencies not to put things into plastic bags, because they don't allow the evidence to breathe and that will trap in any kind of moisture. >> and that would be a red flag to you as analyst that there is something going on that places the evidence at a risk of degradation? >> correct. >> joining me now is forensic scientist, larry kobilinsky, scientist. what do you make of the testimony? >> i think mr. gorgon is correct. biohazard material has to be kept dry. if you seal it in a plastic container, moisture is present.

and any kind of bacteria or fungi will grow. you can lose evidence, valuable information by storing it the wrong way. >> but that applies to the sweatshirt, it doesn't apply to trayvon martin's fingernails where there was none of george zimmerman's dna, do you consider that a major finding? >> no, i really don't. i have worked on many cases, looking at fingernail scrapings in a post-mortem setting. and almost always, you find no foreign dna. and i have to add something very important here. the results that we're hearing on the gun and other testimony, where they failed to find somebody's dna, that is because this testing that is used in this laboratory in florida is the normal pcr testing. in new york city, they do a high sensitivity testing which could have provided different results. i'm not saying anything is wrong with the results that they got

but it might explain failure to get any dna where it actually exists. >> well, larry, when they didn't find the dna using the standard level of testing on a case this important does it surprise you that they didn't reach for that higher level of analysis? >> that is a very good question. they happened to use it in new york city. the fbi does not favor this kind of high sensitivity testing. but there is a lot of research going on. it has been validated. it has gone through the courts in new york. and it is what is considered to be a reliable technique. >> now, of course, arguing the other way here, had there been the presence of any trayvon martin dna on the gun, this case would be in a very different posture tonight? >> i think that is correct. you know, finding foreign dna on an object, you have got to reconstruct the dna, that would

explain the fact that he not only reached for the gun, but touched the gun. >> the defense, trying to talk about how close the gun was, whether it was jammed into trayvon martin's body or not, and she simply testified that her testimony is simply that the gun was touching trayvon martin's clothing. and she didn't distinguish as to whether it was jammed in there, or not so hardly pushed in there. do you think there was any significance to that? >> no, i think i saw the evidence she put forward. the gunshot residue patterns. clearly it was a contact shot. the autopsy showed that it was not.

that it was a shot from an intermediate distance. and i think it was explainable. it was a contact shot. >> dr. kobilinsky, thank you very much for joining us tonight. egypt blows its top. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews back in washington, leading off tonight, the prosecution begins to rest its case in the george zimmerman case. but did it make the case for murder two? did it beat the case for self-defense? did it? or did it simply show weaknesses in its witnesses and in its evidence? but we start tonight with the military coup, yes, military coup in egypt.