animation in this particular case, the better part of the first hour was spent on talking about his experience and other trials, his experience making animations like this, what he did before he was making animations. the whole thing really has been a dad bizarre. at one point, we did find out that the motion capture suit that he used for this particular animation, the motion kaurt shoot has been used in several movies, "ironman" and avitar," and "x-men" as well. one of the defense attorneys said should we have him sit down? o'mara said he is wrapping this up at that point. we should see the end of it. this has been the longest hearing since the jury has been brought in since the testimony

portion of this trial started. shoemaker, by the way, he relies on several things to create these crime scene animations and graphics. he relies on police reports. he relies on audio calls and he also relies on crime scene photos as well. we also learned during the course of the last hour or so that apparently he did visit the crime scene here in sanford, florida, on two occasions. he took some traditional fophot and infrared photos as well. we know he has done animations like this for 59 other criminal trials. we also know that this is not -- the animation they are talking about now, is not the original animation that was introduced. that original animation actually had trayvon martin punching zorg zimmerman in the animation there was also no weapon in the animation, no 9 millimeter gun showing the animation. the state successfully argued

that should not even be considered. the animation they are talking about now has essentially been reduced to a series of still photos. the state is objecting that the animation itself should not be he said edited or altered any more and should essentially be thrown out. >> the ruling on whether or not this animation will be allowed, there was a key ruling yesterday by the judge and that is allowing evidence of thc into trayvon martin's system to be allowed in as evidence. tell us about that. >> the hearing you mentioned yesterday happened around 5:00. judge necessarily decilson deci the defense to introduced evidence that was there a small amount of marijuana in trayvon martin's system at the time of the shooting. if you recall at the beginning, judge nelson decided that that toxicology report would not be allowed to be introduced in opening statements but she did reserve the right to revisit that issue later in the trial.

what we saw and what we heard yesterday was judge nelson's revisiting of the issue. it's also important to note here that judge nelson has allowed the defense to introduce that evidence. at this point, we do not know whether the defense is actually going to introduce that evidence p. shiping baa who was on the stand six hours who was the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy, he testified that back in november, he concluded that the thc that was in trayvon martin's system would not have any sort of measurable effect on his ability to function. then on the stand friday, we found out from dr. bao the past 60 days or so he decided to change that opinion based on research he read and books he pores over according to dr. bao and he decided the thc in his system did have or would have

had some type of effect. but, again, that was yesterday in terms of headlines from the bench, that was by far the biggest headline. chris, that is important because if you recall in george zimmerman -- in the phone call we have had so much of at this point in time, on that call he talks about why he is following travon martin or suspicious of trayvon martin. he said it looks like he is on drugs. >> craig melvin who will continue to be there and watch this for us, thank you. we will continue to watch the proceedings and we will take you back to sanford cht jury returns to the courtroom. other news today. the battle over abortion rights fos on the lone star state. a controversial bill failed last month but it's back up for a vote now. a special session is under way and nbc's gabe gutierrez has more on today's expected showdown in austin, texas. >> 40 years after roe v wade the

state capital is at the center of the national abortion debate. testimony lasted past midnight after dueling rallies at the capital. today the texas statehouse is scheduled to vote on the controversial bill that would ban abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy. it would also mandate that abortion clinics meet the same standards as hospital style surgical center answers they would require that a doctor who performs abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. the bill supporters say these new rules would make abortions safer but the bill's opponents say the rules would force 37 of the state's 42 abortion centers to close. now, of course, the bill, a version of the bill was derailed during the last month's special session when state senator wendy davis wearing her now famous pink running shoes, filibustered the bill and that thrust the issue back into the national spotlight. so far this year, 17 states have enacted some sort of abortion

restriction 37 today's scheduled vote at a busy time a day after texas governor rick perry after 13 years in office announced he would not seek re-election next year. however, he said that this bill would likely pass very quickly. the bill is expected to pass a republican-controlled house, but it is unclear when it will come up in the state's senate, although that could come up later this week. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez, thank you. for the first time those cleveland women who were held captive for nearly a decade sent a video message to supporters last night. in a youtube video that is both heart breaking and inspiring, the three ladies thanked people saying the outpouring of support is helping them rebuild their lives. >> i may have been through hell and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face and with my

head held high and my feet firmly on the ground. >> it's been a blessing to have such an outpouring of loan and kindness. >> thank you for the support. >> now the man accused of keeping them against their will castro has been indicted on 329 counts. he is pleading not guilty. but joining me, cliff van zandt nbc analyst and former fbi profiler on the phone with us this morning. cliff, good morning. >> hi, chris. >> obviously, it would have been simple for the three ladies to put out a written statement to say what they had to say. i wonder what you make of the active making of this video. what does it tell you in terms of their recovery which is a very short really less than two months since they gained their freedom. >> well, i think they are on the road to recovery, chris. you know, you think you and i, you know, we have bad days sometimes, at least i do, and in

this particular case, these young women had 36,000 bad days strung together one after another after another. tennees they were in confinement and just underwent things none of us even want to think about. it sounds like some terrible torture in some third world country, only it happened right here in america. as you just saw, and i think your word is right, inspirational, we have to draw inspiration these young women after two months, they are getting care, they are getting love. the community has reached out. the families have reached out to them. they have a lot of support and every day, chris, they are replacing bad memories with good memories. every good day is something else that is -- it's on their frontal lobes of their brains and it helps them remember today and helps them forget two months ago, five years ago, ten years ago. so this is a long road. anybody who thinks this is just

a trip around the block, i think, we are kidding ourselves. these women will always remember what they have gone through but very, very slowly, as it goes on, these good memories will take the place of bad memories and they will join and find their right place in society. >> i was absolutely amazed to see them in many cases looking up beat. all of them were smiling. obviously, they are doing, i think, better than could ever be expected under such extraordinarily horrific circumstances that they faced. they talked about a couple of things that struck me, clint, and one was they thanked people for their privacy, thanked people for allowing them the time to heal and, yet, we know they have been in contact with one another. how important is that? >> well, it's critical because none of us can say i understand what you've been through. of course, we can't. the only person who can understand are the three women who were involved in this and what i thought was critical too,

chris, is none of the three women made any reference to their alleged abductor. in essence, they are becoming empowered saying this guy had power over us for ten years, but we are not going to give him that power any more. we are going to move on from this point. i mean, it makes you want to cry and cheer at the same time. >> yeah, and one case actually saying i'm in control of my life, i'm in control of my future. they also wanted to thank people. there have been a lot of donations. obviously, a lot of letters and messages of support which also has to help. >> yeah, it is. there's been over a million dollars that have been contributed and, obviously, their care is going to take a lot more than that as they impok into society. and as they take control and realize, chris, it's like being aer of war where in their case the past ten years, somebody told them when it sit down, when

to sit down and when to eat and not eat and when to get locked up. all of a sudden they are allowed to make decisions on their own. chris, they don't have that experience in making these decisions. they only have two months of freedom right now. so it's going to take a while and people are going to have to understand that. the media is going to have to give them lots of room and the family and friends are going to have to give them lots of love. >> the one person that we did not see, for obvious reasons is the 6-year-old child who was the result of this and when i was home in cleveland last week, there was a lot of reported on the alleged kidnapper's captors' request to be able to see his daughter, which has been denied. but what does the child face going forward and, obviously, we know that, again, you have a situation where this is a child who is being surrounded by love

and support. >> well, this is a child that obviously was not consieved off love. you'll see rape victim children they move to a new area where nobody knows them and they can move on again. realize, of course, one of the women that was impregnated was allegedly beaten and lost that child and that results in a possible murder charge, in essence, killing the fetus while it was in the womb, that is going to be put against this kidnapper too. ohio is one of the states that will allow somebody to be charged like that. so i would hope, if there is any

shred of decentsy but if there is anything there he would not make these women go through a trial, but, again, he may want to confront them and, chris, if that trial does take place, there may be value in these women finally being able to confront him and finally being able to be in charge and saying you are not in control of me any more, you will not -- me any more. there is going to be good and bad either way this case goes. >> i remember seeing elizabeth smart if nher his courtroom experience. again, the strength that she showed. something i will never forget. clint van zandt, always good to talk to you, sir. thank you so much. >> thanks, chris. we have new details on the health of secretary of state john kerry's wife. she suffered a grand malseizure on sunday and experts call it the most serious type of seizure and involves the whole body. she is in fair condition in a

boston hospital after being flown from a vacation home in nantucket. she is also a breast cancer survivor. eliot spitzer getting emotional this morning on "morning joe." >> what has changed personally of who you are? >> a lot of pain. a lot of pain. >> that's it? >> yeah. you go through that pain, you change. >> all right. >> the former new york governor was swarmed by the press yesterday. h five years ago, he resigned in disgrace as he was client number nine a patron of high priced prostitutes. he thinks he deserves another chance at public office. >> i failed. i had flaws. made horrific judgments. was unfaithful to my family. to the elect rorate. >> he must collect 3,750 signatures by thursday to be on

the ballot. a developing story out of washington. a senate committee are holding a hearing. these are live pictures from capitol hill. the fbi agent's association supports the nomination but civil liberties group are concerned that comy enhanced the interrogation techniques during the bush years. in gegypt right now, thaws march in the streets when the interim president says in 15 days he will form a committee to aemed the institution once it's proofed. he will call for parliamentary elections and we will bring you the latest on the situation there shortly. we are keeping a close eye on the zorg zimmerman trial. we will take a quick break and continue our coverage next. [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness...

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to resume shortly at the george zimmerman murder trial. trite now, they are in a short break. outside the jury's presence, the court has been hearing from a forensic animation expert as the prosecution tries to block the defense from showing the jury an animation of zimmerman's version of events. let me bring in msnbc news legal analyst lisa bloom. lisa, good morning. where are we we this hearing which has gone on much longer than expected. >> it has. the court has taken a five-minute recess. when they return, daniel shoemaker of the animation company will take the stand outside the presence of the jury to talk further about the animation to see whether it meets the legal standard of sufficiency so that it can be introduced in the courtroom in front of the jury. >> what does that mean, legal standard of sufficiency? what will the judge be looking at? >> the judge is going to look at whether essentially this is junk science or whether this meets the technical standard that is appropriate for a court. whether he is following the generally excepted principles in

his community. he has already testified that he has testified in dozens of cases, primarily in california where he is from, that he has used this animation many times to help a court or trier fact like a jury understand the facts and in this case what he has done is put together information from the police reports, from the audio recordings from all of the evidence in the case to try to create a representation of what happened from the defense point of view. >> let's talk about some of the significant things that have happened the last 24 hours and craig melvin and i were talking about this at the top of the show about the decision by the judge to allow the thc or the marijuana use evidence in now. we don't know for sure whether or not they are going to use that but what are the chances they would and how significant could it be? why would they use it? >> if it does come in it's one of those intriguing pieces of evidence in the case that you can argue from both sides. like a lot of evidence in this case. for the defense, george zimmerman told the police dispatcher that trayvon martin looked suspicious. he looks like he is on drugs.

the prosecution says he was profiling trayvon martin. the defense says, no, i was just calling in about a guy who looks suspicious. if indeed there are trace amounts of thc in trayvon martin's system and that comes into evidence that is an argument for the defense that you know what? he looked like he was on drugs and maybe the thc had some effect. that is what dr. bao, the medical examiner, now says it might have some effect. for the prosecution marijuana is a downer and it mellows people out and it's a depressant. trayvon martin was less likely to have thrown the first punch and to have been on top of george zimmerman pounding and grounding as the defense argues. i think it gives each of them something to work with. >> we heard yesterday interestingly enough, from somebody who was teaching george zimmerman some sort of self-defense and said he was kind of a softy so that all plays into it. i want to ask you about the other side of this which is that george zimmerman and his prescription drug use, will that be entered into evidence in this

trial? >> so if those who have been following the case closely may have heard the physician's si assistant testified for the prosecution that there were prescription medications that george zimmerman was taking and the judge has not ruled that and the jury has not heard that. for the prosecution if we hear what is in trayvon martin's system we should hear what is in george zimmerman's system. i think that is an issue that remains to be seen. if the thc comes in we should hear about the pharmaceuticals that george zimmerman may have taken. >> thank you, lisa bloom. we will take you back to sanford when the jury returns to the courtroom. egypt's interim press has announced a timetable to amend the execution and elect a new parliament by next year. here is the latest from cairo. >> reporter: late last night, the interim president announced

a road map for egypt's future with the constitutional declaration consisting of 33 articles that will be in effect during egypt's six-month transitional period. in that time he hopes they will have parliamentary elections leading to presidential elections. in the decree he announced the next 15 days he will form a ten person committee made up of judges to review and amend the 2012 stalled institution created under morsi's leadership and that institution was highly criticized by the masses for being too conservative and, in effect became one of morsi many misstepped leading to his ouster by the military last week. this is going to be a very tough task for mr. mondsour. but mr. mansour believes the

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he had been standing at least for the better part of an hour and a half, he is the guy that created the animation in question. this is an animation that depicted the events that rainy february night last year when trayvon martin was shot by george zimmerman. there were at the end of the questioning, if you will, of daniel shoemaker, it appeared as if the state was getting ready to start and judge nelson asked, point blank, how long do you think this is going to take? attorn the attorney said 45 minutes and the judge said i have a jury waiting and i want to bring them back out. they are going to finish the hearing about the animation after testimony is heard today. so that is going to make for a longer day for the court. not necessarily a longer day for the jury but definitely a longer day for the court.

we should note also here, chris, the defense indicated over the weekend that they have every intention of resting their case or they have given every indication that they are going to rest their case middle to latter part of this week. so i don't know if they were factoring in a hearing that we expected would take 30 minutes, whether they factored in the fact that this hearing has taken two hours is going to end up taking at least another 30, 45 minutes on the back end as well this afternoon. >> anybody who has ever been in a courtroom knows, the best laid plans often go astray as we are seeing this morning. i want to bring in lisa bloom, the msnbc legal analyst. can we talk a little bit about the jury? at some point, and it seems to be maybe part of the concern of the judge, you got them sitting in a room and they are waiting and they are getting bored and their minds are wondering. do you want to get this up and going again? >> can i just tell you something about i really like about this judge? many judges in jury trials will let a hearing like this go on

and on and the witness and expert witnesses go on and on and the jury sit in the jury room and have to cool their heels and wait. this judge really has respect for the jury's time. i think especially because they are sequestered. she has center consideration for them. she makes the lawyers move this thing along. it may seem like us on the outside this hearing is taking a long time. throughout this trial from 9:00 to 5:00 or 6:00, it has been witness testimony with the jury in there listening and there has been very little of this because she really wants the jury to be in the courtroom hearing system, more so than most judges i've seen. >> let me ask you about one of the key witnesses tread that was tracy martin, trayvon martin's dad. we may interrupt because they are actually calling a witness. >> i think it was a misfire by the defense. it was unnecessary. i think the jury understands if you have to call the victim's family members for a key point,

okay, we will understand that but it was unnecessary. they had already called seven witnesses for their point that it was george zimmerman on the 911 call and why did they need to call tracy martin? simply so say he wasn't sure or initially he said no and then he said yes, it is trayvon martin. they got that out of him and some kind of inconsistency with the police witnesses. on the other hand, he was so emotional on the stand, so, obviously, grief stricken and reliving the moment when he sat with the police detectives and heard the voice screaming on the 911 call and then the bullet that took his son's life. i think it made the defense look insensitive and it was unnecessary and frankly it was a blunder for the defense. >> what do they need to do now? where do you see the big gaps in the defense case at this point? what kind of testimony did they need to do to have to fill those gaps? >> i think it's time to move on to the physical evidence and i know they are trying to do that by way of the animation. i know that they also have

vincent denay yo who is a gun expert. most juries like give me the hard, cold evidence and give me that "csi" stuff and what juries like to decide cases based on. >> who is the ballistics expert we may hear from today. george zimmerman who helped advise him about buying a gun was questioned by the prosecution. you're not an expert, are you? no. you can't really say about the details of this gun. he acknowledged that. what will they want to get from this ballistics expert? >> they will try to sew confirmation of george zimmerman's story that he was on the bottom on his back and trayvon martin was straddling him and attacking him. they will say zimmerman got the gun first and fired upward tra vecketry shot and killed trayvon martin. does the trajectory establish

that and does the gravity weighing down the shirt that trayvon martin was wearing with the heavy ice tea in the pocket which would have pulled it forward, does it substantiate that? i expect their expert witness will be testifying on that subject. >> we just saw some of that evidence coming in and we saw the shirt. they will be bringing the jury in and gives us a perfect opportunity to take a quick break. lisa, thank you so much and we will be back with more and we believe the next witness, defense witness number 16? number 13 coming up right after this. it starts with something little, like taking a first step. and then another. and another. and if you do it. and your friends do it. and their friends do it... soon we'll be walking our way to awareness, support and an end to alzheimer's disease. and that? that would be big. grab your friends and family and start a team today. register at alz.org "that starts with one of the world's most advancedy,"

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just a few minutes ago, judge debra nelson asked george zimmerman to stand up and asked him a series of questions about the gunshot expert who is about to testify in this case. >> enter zimmer, please stand up for just one moment, sir. i have been informed by counsel that the testimony of dr. demayo is going to be carved down and i don't want to know what the discussions were.

i just want to know, did you have discussions with mr. o'mara about dr. demayo's testimony? >> yes, sir, your honor. >> and based upon those discussions, do you agree with his representation that he is not going to ask certain area topics from dr. demayo? >> yes, ma'am. >> that is your decision? do you agree with that? >> yes, your honor. >> has anybody promised you to get you to make that decision? >> no. >> has anybody threatened you? >> no. >> are you doing volunteer freely and voluntarily? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you so much. are we ready to bring the jury in? >> the jury is in the courtroom. we believe this is a gunshot expert, dr. vincent demayo. attorney mark o'mara says he is going to testify that the gun was 2 to 4 inches from trayvon martin when george zimmerman fired. he believes the gun is at a 90-degree angle and all of this

will become crucial as we head into the evidentiary part of the defense case. let's listen in to the defense witness now, defense witness number 13, dr. vincent demayo. >> you may proceed. >> thank you, your honor. good morning. >> good morning. >> >> if you would, please state your name. >> my name is dr. vincent j.m. demayo. >> would you spell your last name, please? >> di a space, capital maio. >> what is your provision. >> i'm a physician privatelily impleed in pathologist. >> did you have a degree? >> i tanned my degree from the state of university of new york back in 1965. >> dr. dimaio, would you please

outline for the jury and your court your occasional background then, beginning at medical school? >> okay. as i said, i graduated medical school in 1965. i then did a one-year internship in pathology at duke hospital in durham, north carolina. from there, i did a three-year residency in anatomical and clinical pathology at the state university, down state medical center hospital. following that, i did a one-year fellowship in forensic pathology at the office of the chief medical examiner for the state of maryland. after successfully completing the three residency programs, i took my specialty board exams and was certified as a specialist in the fields of anatomical pathology, clinical pathology, and forensic

pathology. >> is that board certification, is that what you're referring to? >> yes. a board certification means that you've successfully completed a number of years of training in a subspecialty of medicine and then you have taken a written and practical exam and passed the exam, and then you are certified and you're recognized by other physicians as a specialist in these areas of medicine. >> dr. di mai, let's start first what is pathology and maybe more detail about those other areas. >> well, pathology is a branch of medicine concerned with the study and diagnosis of diseases. anatomical pathologist generally work in hospitals and they examine tissue that is removed from somebody. if you had a mole removed from your skin, had you a breast

biopsy or some tissue, you know, from inside your body or a part of an organ removed, this is examined by a pathologist, who then tells your physician what the disease is and if it's there. the extent of the disease and then he tells you what the diagnosis is. a pathologist generally are doctor's doctors. you won't contact them because your physician has contact with them and that is an anatomical. the clinical pathologist is concerned with the laboratory studies done on patient in the hospital. if you've had a blood test, a urine test, all of those are done in clinical pathology laboratories. the forensic pathologist is concerned more with the application of the medical sciences, the problems. most forensic pathologists function as medical examiners,

that is, they determine the cause of death, what killed the person, and the manner of death, how it came about in individuals who are thought to have died of violence, such as accidents, suicide, or homicide, or who have died suddenly in and unexpectedly and the exact cause of death is not known. at that time, they may elect to perform an autopsy to make such determinations, and then based on the circumstances surrounding the death, the autopsy findings and tests done, they will make a determination as to the cause of death, what killed you, and manner of death, how it came about. >> let's talk for a moment about the professional physicians that you've held following the training that you've outlined at this point. >> i'm sorry, but i'm having trouble hearing you. i apologize. my ears are getting a little,,

you know, less sensitive. >> let me touch this and see if it's -- i'm happy to speak up, judge. i think i was facing away but, of course, if the doctor might prefer some assistance. >> we can make him available if he needs some assistance. >> sure. >> apparently, we don't have a p.a. system in the courtroom that amplifies my voice so i'll just try to be more careful to speak up. >> yes, sir. >> so following the training that you've outlined, would you please give us an idea then of the professional positions that you've held? >> yes, sir. after i completed my training, i went into the army for two years. i was a major assigned to the armed institute in washington,

d.c. on the watlter reed campus. following this, i moved to dallas, texas, was a medical examiner there. from the summer of 1972 till the end of february in 1981. in 1981, i became chief medical examiner of bexar, county, texas. i was chief medical examiner there. the major city is san antonio which i'll give a plug. it's the seventh largest city in the united states. a beautiful place to live. so i was chief medical examiner there from march 1st, 1981, until i retired december 31st,

2006. for 16 of the years i was there, i was also in charge of the crime laboratory. i then retired and i went into complete private practice of forensic pathologist, which i have been doing since then. i'm also the editor of the american journal of forensic medicine and pathology, which is an international journal of forensic medicine. and i'm chairman of the texas forensic science commission, which is a state agency charged with -- i guess you could say, monitoring the practices of crime labs in the state of texas. >> dr. di maio, you mentioned you were the director of the bexar county crime all about for 16 years. can you expand to that a little

bit? what was your role more specifically and what did the lab do? >> i established it. the police department had the crime lab. the county took over when i came there. it started out as just firearms and documentation and we were one of the first laboratories west of the mississippi to establish a dna laboratory. it just does the usual things. dna, trace evidence. >> did some of that work include knowing how to package evidence that may have biological or perhaps dna evidence? >> well, yes. i mean, that -- but usually you just teach the forensic pathologists, they know that even if they have no association with a crime laboratory that you have to -- there is some techniques for handling trace

evidence in collection, establishing a chain of evidence and packaging. so if you -- >> is it well known that there are certain -- certain requirements when you are packaging evidence that may contain biological samples, blood, other fluids that may have dna that are wet? >> yes. you have to dry out the material and then package each item individually in paper, because if you don't let it dry out and especially if you put it in plastic karcontainers, the back love that and they multiple and you get mold and it just stinks to high heaven and everything deteriorates. >> that is something that is well known in the forensic pathology community? >> oh, yeah. that's standard practice. >> it's been well-known for a

while? >> yeah. i would say about 30 years that i know of. >> back to the work that you have done with the group that monitors forensic labs. i think you said you were involved -- >> texas forensic science commission? >> yes, uh-huh. what is that work and what does that involve in so far as you and other pathologists? >> okay. essentially it's a government agency and if there are problems, somebody thinks there is a problem when a crime laboratory either an individual or the whole laboratory, whether their techniques or whether -- that somebody in the lab is doing something wrong, then it's reported to state agency and then we investigate it and then they issue a report. actually, most of the problems with the laboratories are actually reported by the

laboratories themselves because they want the tests to be done proper, so they -- half of our investigations in laboratories are reporting themselves that there is something wrong with them. >> in addition to the professional positions that you've had and talked about, have you also had academic appointments? >> yes. i started out as an assistant professor and associate professor and then i ended up as a full professor before i retired. >> in what subject matter, please? >> pathology, specifically forensic pathology. >> have you, in addition to your day-to-day work as a medical examiner and your work at the university as a professor in pathology, have you published any books or articles --

scientific articles in the area of pathology? >> yes. i have punished 88 articles in peer review journals. i think 13 book chapters. and then i've published four books. the first book was "gunshot wounds," which i wrote myself. and it's been published in english, french, and spanish. then i wrote a book called "forensic pathology," with my father who was chief medical examiner of new york city. he is deceived now. and then the third book was a handbook of forensic pathology which i wrote with one of my colleagues, dr. suzanna dana. the fourth book is so 0 what is called excited delirious syndrome which i wrote. well, i'm the junior author of

that book. the senior author of that book is my wife who is a forensic nurse. so we wrote that book. that is the last one we have written. >> let's talk, for a moment, about your work in gunshots that was, i think you said, the first book that you wrote and has it been updated over time? >> there's been two editions published and the third edition is going to the publishers. we kind of delayed it but it's going in about two weeks with the third edition. >> would you describe for the jury generally the purpose or the focus of that book, if it isn't otherwise self-explanatory by its title? >> the jury in the george zimmerman case getting to hear the experience of dr. vincent di

maio. when we are talking about the evidence in this case and the gunshot that killed trayvon martin. he is a forensic pathologist and a gunshot expert. we expect the meat of that to get under way very soon but most of the morning in front of just those in the courtroom, not the jury, the question of whether or not to allow an animation, that the defense had created, that gives george zimmerman's version of events the night of that shooting. we are still waiting for a decision from the judge on that. we will take a quick broke and be back. that does it for me. i'm chris jansing. see you tomorrow and thomas roberts is up next with more live coverage of the george zimmerman trial. credit card purchases and even your bills. for seeing your spending by category or by month. so you can set a budget and get alerts when you're running low. for keeping track of your spending to see when you're coming close to the limit you've set. for seeing how pnc virtual wallet® can help

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