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defense to everything. >> the defendant didn't shoot trayvon martin because he had to. he shot him because he wanted to. this case is not about standing your ground. it's about staying in your car. >> if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman, what would your verdict be. >> your verdict finding george zimmerman either guilty or not guilty must be unanimous. >> at 2:28 this afternoon, judge debra nelson sent out the jury to begin their deliberations in the trial of george zimmerman, this coming after 12 days of testimony, 56 witnesses and several hours of passionate closing arguments earlier today. the options for the jury, a guilty charge of second degree murder, a guilty claurge of
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manslaughter or an acquittal. mark o'mara presented his arguments. he showed a chart called self-defense burden of proof. >> we're not going to ask you not to have impressions. that's absurd. my fear is that if that allows you to sort of diminish or minimize your task that you've taken on here, that it works against my client. because when we, even when we talk about things like common sense, we want you to use your common sense, but be, be careful with your common sense. but the reality is, until you get to the idea, the concept of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, then you just don't get it. what happens if you don't get
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here? what stays in place? it's not a civics exam, but that presumption of innocence that we talked about, never dissipates, ever. >> and so the burden was on the state in their rebuttal to eliminate the reasonable doubt. he used his argument to refocus on the answers that took place before the confrontation. >> everything they want you to think about in this case starts from the t. don't do that. that's not fair. that's not fair. let me suggest to you you start at the beginning. let's start at the 7-11 where that child had every right to be where he was. that child had every right to do
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what he was doing, walking home. that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him, first in his car and then on foot. and did that child not have the right to defend himself? >> and then the prosecution offered a simple summary of what they believe happened on the night george zimmerman met trayvon martin. >> the defendant didn't shoot trayvon martin because he had to. he shot him because he wanted to. >> for more now, i'm joined by msnbc analyst lisa bloom and kerry sanders. you were there. you spoke, i believe, to the parents of trayvon martin and
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their legal representatives. can you tell us how they were feel, how they felt the proceedings had concluded? >> well, when they, when john guy, who is the prosecutor, completed his rebuttal in the closing, they then exited the court. there was still some activity going on in the court. but they exited. and i walked out of the court with them. and i spoke to tracy martin, who is trayvon martin's father and just said how do you think the state has done, the prosecution has done. he said they did good. they did good, meaning the prosecutor. sybrina fulton didn't want to comment but their attorney was with them. andly a chance to talk to ben crump. and he said john guy gave a strong close. and he went on to say that john guy cut to the heart of the matter. and that is where this case is, a heart. and he emphasized heart. so they went into a small little area. you know these courthouses have little side rooms where attorneys can meet with clients.
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and they're holed up right now away from the activity, as everyone is waiting to see whether the jury is going to come back with a verdict today. then the special prosecutor, the one who's in charge of all this, while you haven't seen her sitting at the table, you have seen her in shots at the courtroom. she was seated in front of trayvon martin's parents there. she's the one who chose to bring the second degree murder charge after reviewing what she said was an overwhelming amount of evidence. and she's the one who is the administrator of john guy and the entire team there, and i asked her how she felt that things had gone and where things are now in terms of waiting for the jury. and she said we do this all the time. we put in the hands of the jury and now we wait. and so it's very sort of matter of fact at this point. bernie didn't want to say too much as he came out.
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he said i'll wait until we hear back from the jury. he has a very successful record from 2004 to 2012 of 49 cases. he's won 48 of 49 cases. so he knows how juries work, but he also has a sense of confidence as he has brought other case does juries and has been very successful. and then mark o'mara came out of the courtroom, and i will a chance to talk to him and asked him where things are, and he said look, kerry, i'm happy with the way we did and the summations. and now we wait for the jury. now the question is where is the jury, what's happening right now. let me tell you what we know about the alter gnats. there were four initially, one had to leave. the three alter gnats have been released. they're no longer here necessarily on the premises. they're hot going to tell us where they are. the judge has been an aenon i amity order in place for all the
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jurors, including the alter gnats. we don't know who they will, we just know they've been release from their duty. if they want to talk we'll invite them out here to get their opinions, but at this point, they're gone. the other question is what if the jury comes back with a decision. how are we going to know? the initial plan was that the court was going to tweet out and give everybody an hour's notice. they say now ha it appears that the attorneys and family members and those who are so closely connected to the outcome of this are going to remain inside the courthouse. they're not going to do that hour long wait. they just are going to say the jury's coming back to the courtroom. >> does that mean the families of both sides will be in the court over the weekend? >> it means that they will be certainly proximate to the court if they're not inside. like i said, there are certain rooms that they can go into. i spoke to some of the bailiffs here. and they said of the five
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stories, they're going to shut down several of the floors here, turn the lights out and everything else, but up there on the first floor and the fifth floor, they're going to keep it open, and i guess the intention is to have everybody nearby so they can move quickly when the jury comes back. >> thank you so much for that up-to-the minute information. lisa bloom, the prosecutor, the assistant attorney, mr. john guy said the human heart has a great many functions. it moves us, motivates us. it inspires us. if we want to know what happened on that dark, rainy night, should we not look into the heart of the grown man and that child. and will that not tell us what really happened. that was a very powerful and passionate point, wasn't it? >> you know, as you said or someone said earlier today, it's a very poetic way of speaking. and add to that that trayvon martin was shot and killed through the heart. now i would have liked to seen more legal kinds of arguments. maybe that's because i'm a
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lawyer and i want to see all the elements of the crime met, but from what i've heard from everyone else, that passion and poetry had a profound effect on most people who heard it. and in the courtroom, i think he had a certainly very mesmerizing way of speaking. i mean, he just trues your attention in, the way that he speaks very slowly, choosing each word carefully. and really, i think coming from his heart. >> and lisa, defense attorney, mark o'mara almost began with a lecture on american constitutional history. and then he proceeded to labor this point about the burden of proof. can i ask you, did he do that? because it was a tacit acknowledgement that he was not going to address the inconsistencies and the alleged lies that george zimmerman has told? >> well, i think that was his smartest move was to hit hard on reasonable doubt. from the very beginning all the way through to the very end. >> but did he do that because he didn't want to address the
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specific falsehoods that mr. zimmerman is alleged to have made? >> and i have taken him to task for not addressing the heart of the prosecution's case which is those inconsistencies. he had enough time in three hour does do both for goodness sakes. he could have talked about reasonable doubt as he did for an hour even and talked about all the other aspects of the case, all the witnesses that he went through, the concrete slab. he had a lot of visual exhibits. he could have addressed the inconsistencies, what the prosecution calls the lies in the case. he didn't touch on that at all really exstoept say when people tell stories other and over there are going to be inconsistencies. that's true, but george zimmerman had so many inconsistencies. i want to talk about the jury. we talk about how five of them are mothers. i want to know if we it talked about male jurors if we said they were all fathers. i like being defined as a mom, i
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like being defined as an attorney. i noticed one of them is a nurse in an alzheimer's ward. and another is a chiropractor. to two out of the six have some medical work that they do. and that may be critical because one of the big issues in the case is george zimmerman injuries, there was a physician's assistant that diagnosed him and treated him the day after the crime and whether her testimony should be given a lot of weight compared to the medical examiner. there was a good bit of medical testimony in the case. it will be interesting with two out of the six having some medical work that they do deciding the case. >> lisa bloom and kerry sanders. thank you very much. much more on the trial of george zimmerman. we'll bring in the attorneys for trayvon martin's family in a moment. when we come back. stay with us. d the adelante movement. teaching tools for success, and fostering creativity.
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so, if we really want to know what happened out there behind those homes on that dark, rainy night, should we not look into the heart of the grown man and the heart of that child? to the living, we owe respect. but to the dead, we owe the truth. what do we owe trayvon martin? 16 years and 21 days, forever. he was a son. he was a brother. he was a friend.
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and the last thing he did on this earth was try to get home. >> that was prosecuting attorney, john guy, just a short time ago as he completed the prosecution's rebuttal to the defense's closing arguments. and we're joined now by attorneys representing the trayvon martin family, mr. benjamin crump and daryl parks. we did reach out to the attorneys for george zimmerman and have not yet received a response. thank you first of all for joining us. can i ask you how trayvon martin's parents have responded to the closing arguments today? >> as we have talked with kerry sanders, it was very emotional, martin. and they really believe that john guy got back to the heart of the matter, what this case is
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really about. and remember when we first started this journey almost 17 months ago, their son was dead on the street. and the police told them effectively, he had been shot by the neighborhood watch volunteer with a .9 millimeter gun, and they were not going to arrest him. and i remember talking to trace martin than they didn't need me, i said certainly they're going to arrest him. give it a couple of days and then he called me back a couple days, and he said i told you, attorney crump, they're not going to arrest him. so when the prosecutor talked about that in his closing summation about if it was reversed what would they have done, i think that's the heart of the matter. that's why so many people are watching this trial, to see if everybody in america gets equal justice. >> indeed. mr. parks, defense attorney mark
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o'mara said this. the person who decided this was going to be a violent event and not go home was trayvon martin. so the young man who arrived with skittles is the one who decides to escalate this confrontation to violence as opposed to the man who's armed with a lethal weapon, according to mr. o'mara. >> well, i think without question, we found out in this case that mark o'mara has chosen to give you bits and pieces of the case rather than the whole story. and i think john guy and bernie said it best in the course of their closing. this case is about the full story. and it's important that it be judged by the full story. so unlike what we've seen throughout this journey, where the defense has tried to give you bits and pieces of the information at various times, we now see that once you see the full story and see the mind set,
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because george zimmerman mind set becomes very important as he got out of the car about the things that he said. as you recall, those are the first things that john guy said at the beginning of his closing in rebuttal. >> he did certainly. mr. crump, i want to quote to you defense attorney mark o'mara. he said this. this is a young man who used the available items from his fists to the concrete, to attack george zimmerman. once again, sir, i have to ask for your reaction to that, because this was said by a defense attorney whose own client arrived with a lethal weapon for this confrontation. >> yeah. it does fly in the face of common sense when you really think about it. he had got out his car after profiling and pursuing trayvon martin with a .9 millimeter gun. i honestly believe trayvon martin went to his grave, not knowing who this strange, creepy man was that was following him.
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and didn't trayvon martin have a right to self-defense? and in fact, he fought for his life. and unfortunately, he lost the fight. >> indeed. mr. parks, once again, mr. o'mara, in a little aside during the proceedings introduced race by claiming that since many crimes on that estate, in his words, had been committed by black males, then george zimmerman was rightfully suspicious of trayvon martin. i have to ask you, mr. parks, is that not an outright admission, right there, of racial profiling? >> well, i'd have to agree with you. i think what he tried to do was tried to make it very subtle. but it was quite offensive, if you ask me, in that certainly this this situation, he had seen all these various situations where young black men had come and did whatever. but this young black man had done nothing. and i think that the way the prosecutors closed the case made
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it very clear that unlike the other people, the one that he shot and killed did nothing wrong. >> i have to say this -- >> please, please. >> just because you have a prior bad act by someone of a particular ethnicity, that doesn't give you the right to indict all black teenage boys, because that is a terrible assumption when you really think about that. you start looking at other terrible instances in people of different ethnicities, so can we not indict everybody because somebody in their same racial group did something wrong? it just takes us back. it doesn't take us forward as a society. and i really believe this case more than any case in recent memory is going to talk about where we are as a society in matters of equal justice. >> yes, but mr. crump, that was mr. o'mara in his closing argument making the point that
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it was reasonable to expect mr. zimmerman to react, because mr. zimmerman felt that all the crimes in that estate had been perpetrated by black males. that was, i put it to you once again, and this was something that the judge refused to al lou. she said racial profiling could not come into those proceedings. and yet, was that not mark o'mara conceding that his client, george zimmerman, had in fact racially profiled a young man who'd just been to buy something to eat and some drink from a 7-11? >> yes. as you correctly stated, the court did say she was going to prevent racial profiling from coming into court. and i want to say, we don't know if george zimmerman was racist or mott. i didn't know the man before this. and i know the state of florida didn't bring up race throughout their trial until the closing, after the defense had brought it up. and most importantly, they made the decision not to charge him
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with racial profiling. they charged him with criminally profiling trayvon martin, not even getting into the divisive issue of race. so when the defense does these things about saying black males had burglarized their community, it's almost as attorney parks is saying, it's a subtle suggestion that it's racial. and we try to continuously say that he profiled him for something. we don't know why, but for some reason trayvon was an f-ing hunk and an a-hole and he didn't know this kid from adam. at all. he assumed incorrectly. and trayvon martin had to pay with his hive for his incorrect assumption. >> one other point that came out is at various times we've seen them try and portray trayvon as some young, black thug, right. and so there was a picture that was admitted into evidence that
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we certainly thought should have been there. but they continued to try and bring that issue up. i think it first came out with don west in the case when he was questioning rachel jeantel. we don't think race has anyplace in all of this. we believe that certainly the state charged the case correctly when they made it criminal profiling. >> go ahead. >> i want to make sure we're clear so we're very consistent. i honestly think we -- nobody can be intellectually dishonest and not acknowledge the racial undertones of this case. so everybody gets it, as we said, that's why everybody's watching this case to see if everybody in america can get equal justice. >> absolutely. and that's why my attention was drawn to mr. o'mara drawing attention to the racial profiling by drawing attention to crimes by black males. >> what was your reaction when defence attorney mark o'mara
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decided to pause for four minutes, sit down. there was dead air in the court. and he invited the jury to imagine what might have happened in that period. >> you know, i thought, as a lawyer, that was not a good strategy, because he tried to say in those four minutes if trayvon really wanted to get home he could have got home. and he talked about that long amount of time that he had to get home. well, the problem with the argument is if you take george zimmerman at his word, he said he was going back to his car. and the question you have to ask is why didn't george zimmerman get in his car? weig was he looking for an address for four minutes? or was he stalking trayvon? who, when you think about it, trayvon, i guess like anybody else with common sense, if you know you're being followed by a strange creepy man, you don't take them to your home.
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and as rachel jeantel said, trayvon had went to hide. that seems very logical versus george zimmerman's reason of why he didn't get to that car in four minutes. >> right. mr. parks, are you satisfied with the way the prosecution has marshalled the arguments? because mr. crump in something like 38 seconds has just produced a sterling presentation of why the claim of those four minutes can be quite easily depudee dee bunked. and yet meany critics have felt that the prosecution has not really stitched the argument, the narrative as effectively as they might have done. >> well, i think at this point we've clearly seen that bernie did an incredible job of taking all of the evidence in this case, whether it's the inconsistencies, whether it was the whole, the whole theory of the case -- >> but mr. parks, why didn't mr.
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delee ronda make more inconsistencies with regard to the weapon that mr. zimmerman had on him? we know for a fact that mr. zimmerman has given multiple different descriptions as to where that weapon was. why wasn't that a major flank in the prosecution? >> well, i think, maybe you missed it, but he did talk about the -- >> i didn't miss it. he did talk about it. >> he did talk about it. >> he did. yes, sir. go ahead. >> i think in the closing argument, they took the conversation as to where it really needed to be. the bigger conversation as to right and wrong and who beared the responsibility for the situation. that's how you try full body the case. although you mentioned the various aspects of the case and how you argue strategy cal. but they argued in a way that was very, very to the point, very strong and really presented
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the case well. but also, i really enjoyed, too, how they humanized trayvon and made his life significant. in several opportunity, they challenged that jury. they challenged that jury and really got in depth with them in terms of how they should view this case in its entirety. >> and mr. crump, it wasn't just trayvon they humanized. they also humanized mr. zimmerman with the prosecution assist tant attorney saying if ever there was a window into a man's soul, it was those words from the defendant's mouth. there are only two people who really know what happened. one can't testify, and the other is a liar. >> well, i think it was very effective of john guy's closing summation. and he, as i said before, he really got to the heart of the matter on so many points, talking about not only was in
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every individual's heart, the defendant and the victim, but also when he talked about the fact that trayvon was shot in his heart, and the human heart can do many thing, you know. and i thought that was really effective. and so i'm just thankful, like our clients. we have a lot of faith that as long as the jury base their verdict on the evidence, he will be held accountable. and i think mr. guy challenged them, as attorney parks said, to really look at critical, significant points, because that's what it really comes down to. we can all argue about, you know, technicalities and stuff, but what it really comes down to is this bigger picture of the neighborhood watch volunteer got out of his car with a .9 millimeter gun for profiling and following a teenage kid who did nothing wrong, had every legal
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right to be there. and then minutes later, he's shot in the heart. isn't that every parent's worst nightmare? that your child walking home can be profiled and killed and nobody be held accountable for it. >> mr. benjamin crump and daryl park, attorneys for trayvon martin's family. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you, gentlemen. stay with us. the jury is now in deliberations for the trial of george zimmerman. we'll go back to sanford, florida in just a moment. ♪
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>> just as you completed your interview with ben crump and daryl parks they got a phone call saying that the jury had a question. so they're making their way back up through security and the elevators along with trayvon martin's parents and all the other parties involved so we can find out what the jury's question is. this is not uncommon. jurors can ask questions. and as you may have heard, the judge said they can write that question out. they can pass it to one of the bailiffs and given to the court. it's read in open court. it is no secret. when jurors are looking through these 27 pages, they look at some of it, they hook at the language and get a little confused. as much as the legal system tries to write it so everyone can understand it, it is legalese. it's not uncommon for a jury to
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ask questions about what is on those 27 pages. the judge would simply read back what is there and tell them it is for them to figure it out. there is no interpretation from the bench. so i think shortly we're going to find that the question is read in open court. >> do you have an estimated time for when that question will be presented? >> only, i don't know. it's simply a matter of getting the players back in the courtroom. >> it's literally a question of everybody being present and the question will be given to the court bailiff. >> exactly. as we look at the monitor, i think that we can see that the people are assembling in the courtroom now. the question, i assume has been written, the question will be presented by the bailiff to the judge. the judge will then read it in open court. we'll see what the question is. and then we can all sort of figure out from that question what it may or may not mean. >> kerry sanders live in
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we're going right back to the courtroom now in sanford, florida. the jury has a question, and the judge is presiding. >> you can look at the question, if you want, but that's exactly what it says, what i read. you can give it to them, and they can look at it. you can give that to susan. she needs to file it in the court file.
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and susan, the jury question, if you'll please put it under seal for now. they can see it, but when you take it, please file it under seal for now.
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okay. counsel, if you'll still just remain here, we're going to recess so the clerk can go ahead and make that. and when she's ready, i'll come back in the courtroom to make sure you review it. and then, if there's no objection, i'll just have the deputy bring it in to them is the procedure. okay. we'll be in recess for a few minutes. >> judge there has taken a first question from the jury. she has sealed that question for the moment. she's recessed the court. and they're going to proceed in a moment. i'm joined now by my co-hosts. if i can start with you, karen, the defense did their best to
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present george zimmerman as the victim. they referenced the fact that trayvon martin used all available items, including his fists and the concrete. >> right. >> how effective was the defense? >> i have not ever seen or heard of concrete being defined as a weapon. i thought that was an interesting moment there. >> mark o'mara brought a slab of concrete into the courtroom. >> and i would have made the argument that when you are fighting with someone, if you, you know, you may be on the concrete, and, you mean, that's what's there. i don't know. i thought it was a very bizarre moment. i thought the defense did a fairly good job of raising questions and doubt, which was basically, that's what they're there to do. they had a therery of the case and a narrative. and they raised the questions that they have and poked holes in what they saw were the weaknesses of the prosecution's case. that being said, i thought that the rebuttal from the prosecution did a beautiful job
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of sort of bringing it all back together in a very concise narrative. >> yeah, i mean, john guy was very powerful. it was almost a sermon. it was very poetic from him. i think part of the question here is are these women, most of whom are white going to say i understand being afraid of a black man in the dark. or are they going to be five out of six mothers who say that this was a boy's worst nightmare, to be coming home from the store, doing nothing wrong and being followed by somebody. and the fear and anxiety that would create in a boy and also in a mother to think that would happen and say no, that is not acceptable behavior. >> professor peterson, there was very little discussion of race in the trial and yet both sides worked it into their closing. first i want to play something that mark o'mara said in discussing items in evidence. take a listen.
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>> they will show you if you look at this that in this community, there was a rash of people burglarizing homes. and you know what else it's going to show you? it's going to show you that a lot of the people who were arrested for it, the only people who were found and arrested were young black males. >> that was presented almost as an aside, but it was a very deliberate measure, was it not, to introduce race? >> absolutely. first of all, race has been the elephant in the room all along. it's sad that the whole concept of racial profiling wasn't allowed. but i see that as o'mara and the defense team conceding the fact that zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin. but also, and this is what's more sinister here, it's not just the concession, it's the endorsement of it. saying he should have profiled him based upon what was going on
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in that neighborhood. now we also know the people implicated in that particular crime were already arrested. so whatever fear may have come out of that, mr. zimmerman should not have had in the first place. but to make the concession to racial profiling and then to endorse it i think is quite take russ. that goes to the core of what's the challenge of this case that george zimmerman felt that he had the right to both pursue and ultimately to murder trayvon martin. >> we need to go to our legal expert, lisa bloom, because lisa, i understand you know a little bit more about their question from the jury? >> actually, i don't. i was just watching myself. i understood that the question was under seal, so i, i'm not clear at this point. >> i think we're being told that the jury has asked the judge for an inventory of the evidence. >> okay. well, that makes sense, because they're going to review the evidence. and sometimes they do get that, actually. in some states they would get a nice concise list. >> do you mean by that, lisa, everything from the gun to the
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flashlight, to all of the pieces of evidence that were presented? >> yes. and they can have testimony read back of the witnesses who testified in the court, because that's evidence as well. >> okay. karen, we were just talking about the way the defense introduced race. the state's rebuttal, prosecutor john guy, also mentioned race, but in a slightly different way. take a listen to this. >> if the roles were reversed, and it was 28 year old george zimmerman walking home in the rain with a hoodie on to protect himself from the rain, walking through that neighborhood, and a 17 year old driving around in a car who called the police, who had hate in their heart, hate in their mouth, hate in their actions, and if it was trayvon
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martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman, what would yo your verdict be? that's how you know it's not about race. >> that was a powerful question for the jury to take into deliberations, wasn't it? >> it absolutely was, and it's something we've talked about on this very program, that it shouldn't matter. but we know that people make certain assumptions and those assumptions can have deadly consequences. and the truth of the matter is, it shouldn't have mattered. the point of it is i think there are gun laws that we could be talking about. there are a lot of other issues at play here. the race of the person that you're -- if you believe that someone is a culprit, race is not the thick you should use to make that judgment, but we know based on the evidence and the audio that we've listened to that zimmerman did make certain assumptions and that did color his actions. >> i want to go back to a point
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my friend the professor was making a few minutes ago. the grouping that mr. o'mara was trying to make. >> no, he actually said all of the crimes perpetrated were perpetrated by black males. >> which thus means in mark o'mara's mind that it's okay to profile all black males in that area, right. and this is the essential i am that criminality is indicative to the bay behavior that some of the group is all of the group. that is essential to racism that the bad behavior of some speaks to the character of all. we don't get credit for the good stuff. barack obama does not reflect out on all the rest of us, right. he's brilliant so the rest of you can be brilliant. we can be athletic. we can be criminal, but the good behavior does not.
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when a white person does something bad in columbine or what have you, that does not reflect on all of them in the racist mind on how our behavior reflects on all of us. >> again, he made certain assumptions about this young man based on his color. and it seemed to me what the defense was trying to say was it's okay that he did that. because all these others had been in this neighborhood. >> you assume that he's a criminal. >> and that's criminal that they did that. >> indeed. >> i wish we had more time, but thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break. we're going to be right back with a live report from kerry sanders in sanford, florida. stay with us. ♪
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we continue to follow the trial of george zimmerman. kerry sanders is following breaking news out of sanford, florida. what's the latest? >> right now, those who were summoned to the courtroom, they remain in the courtroom as the
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clerk is working on a request that the jury has made. and the jury requested an inventory list of the evidence by number and description. i've been unable to get through to any of the main players here to suggest what that might mean to them. it may mean that they want the list so they can then refer to things that they agree in their group of six that are the important pieces to pull out so they can begin reviewing the evidence. the other thing is that the judge said that their request would go under seal. that may sound confusing, but i'm going to guess here that that seal in florida where everything is a public record, the media and all other people can't say can i go have a copy and see the handwriting and who knows what else is on there other than handwriting. i believe that's what the seal may be about. >> and it's simply an inventory, a list of the evidence. >> that is correct, by number and description. so i think that they're trying to get a handle on the list,
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thanks for watching. be sure to tune in for msnbc's special on the george zimmerman trial, that's tonight at 9:00 eastern. ha "hardball" is next. the jury gets the case. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm in for chris matthews. the fate of george zimmerman is in the jury's hands now. this morning mark o'mara made his closing argument saying that zimmerman had acted in self-defense. then state attorney john guy offered a rebuttal, asking juror does bring their common sense to

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