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>> what we have on the one hand is a woman's right to choose. >> this is already a very difficult decision for me. this will make it more traumatic. >> can the mother totally own the child? >> it is nondebatable. you're out of order. >> never in the history of texas have they seen that type of mob rule come in and discombobulate a legislative session. >> thank you for finally working against this woman so publicly. not in the shadows like we're used to. >> i'm sure you've heard about the effort across this country to restrict women's access to health care. did you know there's a group coordinating these efforts, targeting reproductive rights across the country state by state. threatening to leave women without life saving care. the group's ultimate goal, roll

back the 1973 roe versus wade decision giving women the legal ride to an abortion. now we have news out of texas where last night republicans passed the controversial abortion law that sent thousands of women to the camden over the last two weeks. that makes texas the 13th state to pass on abortion after 23 weeks. we're seeing this trend across the country. let's get back, let's back up to tuesday where form he arkansas governor mike huckabee traveled to austin to support the texas bill. speaking at a stand for life rally, huckabee employed a by now familiar message. >> nobody today who has an i.q. above broccoli would ever advocate we should return to the days when somebody believed that one person had the right to completely own another person. that's repulsive to all of us. is not it? if we all can agree that no

person can own another person how can we ever come to the conclusion that one person can take the life of another person? and deem that person of less importance? >> this is nothing new. they've equated abortion to slavery and likened themselves to modern day abolitionists. in this analogy, these groups seem to miss the irony of their analogy to control the reproduction of other people. a quick history. slave owners possessed total authority over the reproduction of the women and men bound to them. they ded how, when and where female slaves gave birth. giving state governments the power to force women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term by either outlawing abortion or because all other options have been closed off isn't slavery. but it does rob modern day women of their autonomy and therefore

their liberty. the governor is expected to sign the bill next week. although democrats are vowing to keep up the fight. now pro-choice activists in texas are not giving up. the protests, plain bizarre. yesterday before the party lane vote, troopers at the state capital search bags and confiscated, wait for it, tampons and pads for women watching the debate. this despite the fact that those with a concealed handgun license were allow to bring their guns into the guardrail. true story. this is not just happening in red states. it is happening in almost every purple state that republicans won in 2010. in ohio where governor john kasich signed legislation into law that required trans vaginal ultrasounds on women seeking abortions. the bill also redefines a medical emergency from an emergency that threatens a woman's health to one that would, quote, result in her

death. in the wisconsin state senate, meanwhile, debate over a bill requiring women to get an ultra sound before they could get an abortion erupted into chaos. >> i move that the body vote immediately on the current question. their the question before the house is nondebatable. >> nondebatable. >> call the roll. >> you're out of order! >> ellis. >> the question is nondebatable. >> that woman saying the question about we will's health, nondebatable. it gets crazier. in north carolina without providing public notice, house republicans amended a bill on motorcycle safety standards to

include restrictions on abortion some were only aware that it could not teenage abortion-related provisions three minutes before the committee was set to meet. this shady process inspired online outrage including the twitter hash, motorcycle vagina. the basic premise is the sail. listen closely. this rash of ann abortion legislation sweeping the country isn't a coincidence. it can be traced back to one group. americans united for life they call themselves the premier life pro-life legal team. a legal team that has been involved in every abortion related case before the u.s. supreme court since roe v. wade. what makes it so successful is that aul provides lawmakers across the country with prewritten dils that politicians can treat like legislative mad

libs. that it allows them to easily introduce bills without needing to research and write the bills themselves. did you hear that? republican lawmaker can take the credit but this isn't home grown legislation born of the demands of their constituents. this is legislation prefabricated by an unelected group that's using stealth legislation to roll back rights state by state. you have to remember that if roe v. wade is overturnl, it sends the issue back to the states. in this, the rollback will already be in place. check and mate. the opponents of a woman's right to choose don't mince words when it come to anti-obama hatred to rile up their followers. >> it is generally from my opinion the promiscuous white men who are pushing abortion. i would say even the promiscuous black ones like our president. i shouldn't say that. they want sexual license themselves do not want

responsibility. abortion has always helped men more than it helps women. >> this week we witnessed a moment that captured the frustration thatle women across the country are feeling. >> it was degs continuey. thank you for finally guns us women so publicly and not in the shadows like you're used to. thank you for every single bad press conference with your bad information. thank you for every hateful statement dewomen and girls to sex objects and brood mares and bald eagles like your eloquent supporters have done today. thank you for being you, texas legislature. you have radicalized hundreds of thousands of us. no matter what you do for the next 22 days, women and their allies are coming for you. let's start down the line. senator campbell, you're an ophthalmologist so i won't be making the expert on reproductive health. we can give you all the children

with chlamydia in their eyes. and senator -- >> you're about as helpful -- excuse me. this is my government, ma'am. i will judge you. i will judge you, ma'am. is this downing against my time? >> yes, it is. >> the senator talking against me? >> yes, it is. >> i will go ahead and talk over her. this is how big of a fraud i knew you were for being so proud of these proceedings. the low bar that you hold yourself to that you simply allowed us to speak and i will speak against an ophthalmologist who says everyone on the internet can see what you're doing right now. this is a farce. texas legislature -- >> our next witness is gary over. >> our next question. are republicans winning the war on women? text a for yes or b for no.

i'll bring you the results later in the show. and joining me now is the woman you just saw. sarah, thank you for being here. >> hi, joy, thanks for giving me the opportunity to show you the new lone star of texas. we've replaced our old star and governor perry, alone governor david duehurst now inis it that we use this. so thanks for giving me the opportunity to debut it on your show. >> we're going to get back to that. i want to give you a chance to finish. you had two minutes that you were supposed to have before that nice officer gentleman carted you out of the legislature. tell us what the rest of your point would have been. i thought you made some powerful points about treating women like brood mares. what would you have said had you had the rest of your time? >> remember, joy, i only had two minutes. what i had done was compiled a quick list of facts about each republican on the senate human health and services committee. i was going to get as far down line as i could.

with senator bob duel, i was going to point out that he didn't represent a largely urban district. he didn't understand the complexities of a lot of low income residents. he is used to serving zenltss that look like him. i was going to point out that he wasn't upholding the hippocratic oath that he swore to uphold when he became an obgyn and instead tried to be a woman's god. and she kept throwing out pro-choice testimonies all night bragging about her $100 million that she had gotten for women's health. and i was going to point out how that was like flicking a bandoid at a hemorrhage. that have the kind of hemorrhage a woman might have after a back alley abortion. after they passed the trans vaginal ultrasound bill, we lost dozens of clinics. that's why some places have zero clinics. when i was in texas yesterday, they have two clinic that's will be shut down by this bill. there's no need to brag about what you tried to do in this

session when session after session and especially this bill, sb one destroys all of that work and name only that she had done in the 83th. when it came to charles, i was going to tell him to stick to orthopedic surgery. when it came to senator taylor, i was going on ask why this was the first time in a decade we had ever heard him talk about the concern for women's abortion procedures. so it was going to go down line as long as i could get to in two minutes. >> you only mentioned one legislator. how many women were on that dais? is part of what outrages you and other activists in the pro-choice movement the fact that so many men are making these decisions and essentially ruling women's voices out of order? >> yeah. it is 85% male. it is not acceptable. you're talking about the health

care decisions of 50% of the population. actually 51%. abortion is a medical part of our health care. 30% of women under the age of 40 will experience in their lifetime. it is not a moral decision. it is not something for people to contemplate. it is just a fact of life. women have been having abortions, safe or not, since we knew we could abort pregnancies. since we could plan families. when you ask about who was on the dais, there was senator donna campbell being totally disingenuous about her expertise. there was senator nelson, a former school teacher and someone being very arrest by trary. she said she believes fetal pain starts at the time. she doesn't care that she has substantial evidence. i would like to point, sylvia garcia from houston who won a special election. she was not on the committee but she made the effort to be there and weigh in and ask questions of all those senators who did not have the evidence they

needed to push this bill down our throats. so i want to commend senator garcia for being there. >> i want to ask you, from the point of view of your critics. a lot of them are saying, eric erickson send out a tweet about you and linked it to a website in which he said dear liberals, showing coat hangers. you held up that coat hanger. your critics would say you're pro abortion ruffle pro abortion? >> nobody is pro abortion. i don't know who that works on exempt for people who have so few brain cells, sore so much hate in their heart that they can't contemplate the fact that most women in texas give birth. out of all the pregnancies in texas, 70% gave birds. if people are able to have a family, we want to do that. in a state where 63% of all minimum wage workers are women, in a state where 25% of the people live in poverty and more poverty and deemer poverty than

the rest of the united states. where 25% of them don't have health insurance, planning a family gets a lot harder. so i'm pro-life. i'm just pro, you know, an actual life after you come out of the womb. i'm pro having sexual education in your schools. i'm pro children not going to bed hungry and sick at night in texas. >> well, you seem very young to me and i'm sorry that women your age, that young women are having to learn about the idea of coat hangers which was the option for so many women before roe v. wade passed in this country. thank you for your advocacy. thank you for being here tonight. >> can i mention one more thing? >> sure. quickly. >> people are asking how they can help us. if you can donate, they only have three staff members statewide. if you can donate to the fund, we are going to need abortion funds, transportation costs for the women west of 35. so thank you. >> thank you for your time. all right. i want you all to remember

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essence festival. >> we just put you on television dancing. ♪ >> the number two trender, senator sarah -- >> thanks but no thanks. >> she thinks she can see congress from her house. >> there's been talk you might run for senator in alaska. have you considered that at all? >> what would a maverick do in this situation? >> i've considered it because people have requested me considering it. >> no, god, please, no. >> and rick rolls out. >> i will not seek reelection as governor of texas. >> adios. >> the texas governor could push his policies in 2016. >> we have better protected the right to life. >> the governor said the bill blocked this week will pass in the next special session. would it ban abortions after 20 week and effectively close most abortion clinics in texas. >> encourage economic growth. you know what i mean. like 9%. >> here we have a republican

governor from the quote great state of texas vetoing a by american bill. >> there are three good reengs he could be president. texas is a big successful state. he is a long term governor. i can't remember the third one. >> i can't. the third one, i can't, sorry. ooms! joining me now, jim moore. he may not be able to dance like big ed but he is the author of a new book. how are you doing? i'm well, how are you? >> so rick perry, let's talk about the governor of texas. he's till got some time left on his tenure. do you think he can do more damage on the way out the door? >> well, he could. i think what he is going to do is spend his time trying to rebrand himself and make himself look presidential, or at least more presidential than the first go-around. he will associate with some think tanks.

we heard the other day that he has a trip planned to israel which is exactly what george w. bush did before he decided to run. so perry is trying to reconfigure things and make himself look not quite as lame as he did the first go-around. >> you mentioned george w. bush. and i've had this conspiracy theory, george w. bush who is from maine. from kennebunkport, maine. he is so similar that i figured he had to have been imitated is there any truth to my conspiracy theory? >> no. i don't think so. perry is a completely separate animal although they were both tutored by karl rove. perry and rove split the sheets some time ago. they have this look. this kind of persona in a way of carrying themselves that is a sort of falseness they project. and they are not what one would call intellectual heavyweights. >> policy wise. give me what the differences

would be. the idea that rick perry would be president, it says george w. bush third term. are there any differences policywise? >> i'm not a fan of either. what i would say is that george w. bush was considerably important moderate than rick perry. bush was not a big fan of abortion but he was not out there promoting and ausing it as a divisive issue. and bush did use gay marriage as a way to get elected on. a personal basis, bush was completely did not care. these are things, perry is much more politically craven than george w. bush ever was. perry will say and do whatever it is necessary for him to say or do to get some sort of excited political support out of the base that can get him through primary process. >> you just talked about the excitement of the base. right now the republican base seem to be high on two people. rand paul and ted cruz. what would perry have to do to claw his way in to the mix when

the base really is looking more at those two men? i'm not sure that it will be possible. i think what perry will run into with ted cruz, what kay hutchinson ran into. that the tea party has chosen their person. and rick is working very hard on promoting this anti-abortion bill and fighting gay rights and all of those base issues that excite the tea party. and he is hoping to get them back in his tent. but ted cruz is more articulate. he is a guy had a has more charisma. and he also, unfortunately, seems to be even crazier than rick perry. >> well, yeah, i'll going to let you have that come. there is one issue on which rick perry has seemed to be somewhat like george w. bush and somewhat similarly, given the republican party, where they are. somewhat moderate for them. that is on immigration. he ran into some trouble on the immigration issue about allowing young people to go to college, et cetera, and get instate

tuition. is he still there or do you think he will run away from it the way marco rannio has? >> i think he is trying to avoid it. remember thatle of the people had a supported rick perry, their business has relied oun documented workers. the biggest builder in the state of texas who is the biggest donor, not related, gave a lot of money to rick perry. and his business related on undocumented workers. big business in texas, agribusiness, home building, restaurants, you name it is very dependent on these people that come into this country tad the work. rick has to be very careful. >> very quick exit question. rick perry stepping aside. wendy davis who has become a big star, does she have a shot at that governor's mansion. >> he is? only eight points behind the heir apparent. i think if she announced she was going to run, she could raise $50 million in a month. i think the question is whether she is up for that kind of

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downy unstopables and infusions. it was very painful situation. the rash was on my right hip, going all the way down my leg. i'm very athletic and i swim in the ocean. shingles forced me out of the water. the doctor asked me "did you have chickenpox when you were a child?" the pain level was so high, it became unbearable. welcome back to the ed show. in roughly six hours of emotional argument thursday and friday, the defense and the prosecution in the george zimmerman second-degree murder trial gave jurors their closing arguments. the prosecutor bernie de la

rionda thursday said zimmerman who has claimed self-defense in the unarmed 17-year-old made wrong assumptions about trayvon martin on the night of the shooting. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. that man assumed certain things. he is dead not just because the man made those assumptions, because he acted upon those assumptions. and unfortunately, unfortunately, because his assumptions were wrong, trayvon benjamin martin no longer walks on this earth.

>> prosecutor de la rionda went on to ask why george zil would follow trayvon martin if he thought he was a threat. >> recall how he says at one point, that trayvon martin is circling his car? and my point in saying that is, number one, you have to determine whether that's true. let's presume that part is true. and he says he has got something in his hands. why does this defendant get out of his car if he thinks trayvon martin is a threat to him. why? why? because he has a gun. he has got the equalizer. he is going to take care of it. he is a wannabe cop. >> and for the defense, on friday, attorney mark o'mara used visual aids to explain the standard of reasonable doubt to the jury insisting prosecutors had not proved guilt. >> this is what really matters for today. that is, self-defense.

it is interesting. because i have another poster i'll show you in a little bit. trying to figure out how to make self-defense make sense to you. because it is like disproving a negative. the state carries a burden without question of proving to you beyond a reasonable doubt that george zimmerman did not properly act in self-defense. and if i misspeak, let mr. guy fix it. george zimmerman is not guilty if you have just a reasonable doubt that he acted in self-defense. >> o'mara went on to say jurors cannot use emotions and sympathy to render their verdict. >> it is a tragedy, truly. but you can't allow sympathy to feed into it. when i say that to you, you should sit back. raise your has not and go, are

you nuts? how dare you tell me to leave sympathy out of my life. how dare you tell me to leave my emotions out. i don't do that ever in my life. welcome to a criminal courtroom. >> after that, prosecutor john guy gave the state's rebuttal focusing on what he calls zimmerman's lies and using emotional language to ask jurors to use their common sense to look into the hearts of george zil and trayvon martin in rendering their verdict. >> what do we owe trayvon martin? 16 years and 21 days. forever. he was a son he was a brother. he was a friend. the last thing did he on this earth was try to get home. >> joining me now, former prosecutor karen de soto,

kendall coffee. i want to start with you. the defense attorney used a slab of concrete. this was his attempt to prove that trayvon martin had a way to inflict bodily harm on george zimmerman. >> how many times was it said that trayvon martin was unarmed? that's cement that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. somebody who used the availability of dangerous items from his fist to the concrete to cause great bodily injury. not that it is self-defense but great bodily injury against

george zimmerman. >> now, given that trayvon martin was not in fact carrying a giant slab of concrete around with his skittles and arizona juice drink, do you think that was an effective tactic? >> i think it was effective only because in this case, what you want to do as a defense attorney is turn the defendant into the victim. that's very difficult to do in a case where the victim, trayvon martin, in this case, is a 17-year-old teenager. how are you going to do that? use more theatrics. use that kind of big slab of cement to drive your point home. how are you going to compensate for not being able to attack the victim? this is how you do it. >> on that point, to your point of trayvon martin being a 17-year-old teenager. and i want to direct this question to paul. what the prosecution tried to do, in order for the giant slab of concrete to work, you have to believe that trayvon martin was not a scared teenager. he was a sort of felon in waiting. a fiend who was ready to kill george zimmerman. did the prosecution do a good job of turning him back into a

scared teenager? let me play a clip of john guy. >> was that child not in fear? when he was running from that defendant? isn't that every child's worst nightmare? to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? is not that every child's worst fear that was trayvon martin's last emotion. >> paul, what do you think? did that work? >> i thought that was very effective. i followed it completely. i was involved. i was emotionally evoked by his words and his comment. i would have liked to have seen even more. i think it would have been great had he been able to allude to him as not just a child but as a son. and talked about how the mother

was expecting for him to come back. how the son was expecting him to come back on that evening. and one of the things that i thought was really power. here and what they used when the defense got up and showing those images. they tried to show him with his grill on the couch. and they tried to show the big grainy picture which they fought so hard for in their closing of him in the 7-eleven. i would have liked to have seen some rebuttal comments about those images to say. look, he is trying to show you these stereotypical images and allude to trayvon martin in not a truthful fashion. the real is no matter what kinds of pictures he's showing you, trayvon martin was a teenager going for some skittles. that's the truthful he was unarmed. now he is dead. so i think both lawyers did a really good job in my opinion of laying out the fact that they had, you know, i'm an emotional person and i get excited. so i look for that in other lawyers as well.

i think they did a really good job of laying out the issues in this case. >> i want to get your take on a tactic not used by the defense -- by the prosecution. explicitly making the case about race. this was a young black male that a lot of african-americans are invested because of that. they decided not to use it. i want to play a clip of john guy and get your response to that. >> this case is not about race. this is about right and wrong. it is that simple. and let me suggest to you how you know that for sure. ask yourselves. all thing being equal, if the roles were reversed, and it was 28-year-old george zimmerman

walking home in the rain with a hoodie on to protect himself from the rain, walking through the neighborhood. and a 17-year-old driving around in a car called the police who had hate in their heart, hate in their mouth, hate in their actions, and if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman. what would your verdict be? that's how you know it is not about race. >> now, kendall, you've prosecuted cases in florida. had you been prosecuting this characters would you have made race a more explicit factor in the case? in a way, john guy actually did make it about race when he reversed the positions of george zimmerman and trayvon martin. just at the end of his presentation. >> that's what i thought was fascinating. he is saying take grace out of

it which is the high road. you want the appeal to the jury just on the evidence. but at the same time, the way he kind of flip it was very vivid. i could see a lot of honest jurors absorbing the reality of what he said, making an instant connection. i thought it was the perfect way to take race out of issue if the people had been reversed, how would the jury be feeling about the case? >> thank you so much from all three of you. thanks. tonight in our survey, i asked you, are republicans winning the war on women? 34% of you say yes. 66% say no. coming up, minimum wage workers fight back against corporate greed.

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welcome back to "the ed show." we understand that media may be going back into the courtroom in the george zimmerman trial. we have been following the developments in the case. the attorneys are seated. there are the prosecutors. you're looking at the defense table. that's don west. you can see mark o'mara on the other side there. this could be a development, the jury wanting more questions read back. we don't know what's going on. we don't have actual intelligence on what's happening. we are going to keep monitoring what's happening in that courtroom. this is obviously the story playing out over the weekend. george zimmerman charged with second degree murder in the death of trayvon martin, 17-year-old, last february 26, 2012. we don't see the judge yet but there is obviously something

developing down in sanford. a little background on the case, we just had closing arguments in the case. bernie de la rionda for the prosecution, mark o'mara giving the defense summation. followed by john guy. so we are awaiting the six women in this jury, five of whom are white, one of whom has been described as hispanic or black or perhaps black hispanic. sanford majority white. the community has been tense and on edge for over a year since trayvon martin, who was visiting from miami, was shot by george zimmerman last year. we do have paul henderson, former prosecutor, still with us. paul, do we have you? >> i'm here, i'm live, i'm watching. >> paul, do we have any idea what's going on inside of that courtroom in seminole county?

>> they've come back so quickly. they've only been deliberating for a day since they've had the evidence they're reviewing. at this point it's hard to tell what the decision is or if they may have a new question for the judge. it's interesting it's only been one day. keep in mind it's a weekend and i know there's a lot of pressure on the jury to make the decision and move this case along. >> we see george zimmerman entering the courtroom and going to sit with his defense team. in terms of prosecuting case, do juries come back quicker when they're sequestered, the human nature of wanting it get on with it and go home? >> there is what pressure. as a prosecutor, you want them to come back quickly. but in a case like this, there's so much evidence and ambiguity in the testimony that's been presented them, it's a hard guess as to what's going to happen and what decision they're going to make.

i'm cautiously optimist ic base on the job that the prosecution put on in this case and we'll see what they have. it may just be a question. they may not have a decision right now. >> thank you very much. we're watching the george zimmerman second degree murder trial. i want to toss it over to chris jansing for more on this story. >> there are three possibilities here, one, they could have a verdict, number two, they could be done for the night or, three, they could be done for the night. let's review where we have been so far. they started deliberating yesterday, deliberated for about three and a half hours. of course, they have been in since 9:00 this morning. the judge has been really very lenient with them in the sense of she has allowed them to do this the way that they're comfortable doing it, the way that they want to do it. so she even said to them if you want to continue to talk and deliberate over lunch, that's

fine. we don't know what's been going on inside that deliberation room. what we do know is that we have six women who have heard over the course of this trial from a series of witnesses and of course looked at about 250 pieces of evidence. the only time that we have heard from them in this last day and a half since they got this case for deliberation is they said they wanted a list of those exhibits. and so we're going to continue to watch inside that courtroom and see what it is that they are going to do. sanford, florida, same as it is here on the east coast, coming up on 6:00 p.m. six jurors have been deliberate being the case of the george zimmerman murder trial. they've got three choices, as you probably know at this point, guilty of second degree murder, guilty of manslaughter or not guilty in the killing of trayvon martin. on day two of these

deliberation, dozens gathered outside the courthouse to await the jury's decision. we'll have that for you live if indeed the jurors reach one. let's go to craig melvin, who has been outside the courthouse throughout this trial. we haven't heard really anything from the jury today, have we, craig? >> you know what, chris, we have not. we have not heard anything. but can i tell you that the public information officer for the court here has just tweeted that the jury has a question. there's a question now from the jury. so that is -- that's our understanding at this point, that that is precisely why they're coming back. they have an additional question for judge nelson or perhaps one of the attorneys. that's what was just tweeted out by the official twitter account for the seminole county courthouse, the twitter account we've been following for a lot of our information as well. you'll remember yesterday the jury had a question shortly after they started deliberating. they asked judge nelson to

provide them with an evidence list, the inventory of evidence, if you will. she did that quickly and they took that back and they met for another hour, deliberated for another hour or so and left for the evening. at this point we don't know whether they are going to continue to do that tonight. judge nelson has said she is going to leave it up to the jury to decide how long they stay tonight and whether they deliberate tomorrow at all. but again, right now, chris, the jury is back for a question. >> lisa bloom is sitting next to me now, craig melvin. you're going to stand by. i assume that the judge is going over that question with the lawyers now? >> it appears that way. i would expect the question to be read in open court and the jury can ask a question about anything they want. they can ask for elaboration on the judge's instruction of law. sometimes you see that. and the judge can probably decline to do that and ask them to give it their own interpretation. they can ask about evidence,

they can ask a procedural question, how late can we deliberate? they can ask anything. >> it's always dangerous business to try to figure out -- because we deon't know what's going on in that room. but if they have a question, would that say to you that potentially that they may go on into the night? because the judge, as i said, has been very liberal with them. said you sort of set your own pace, you decide how long you want to go, if you need to take a break, if you want to continue to talk over lunch. >> and just about every time they've been given the opportunity to keep work organize take a break, they've chosen to keep working. here we are on a saturday at almost 6:00 p.m. and this jury is still going. i think it really a testament to how hard working they have been. they could have taken the weekend off. they elected not to do that. >> conventional wisdom always

says when this comes into a weekend that they may want to get home. my experience, you've dealt with a lot more juries than i have, is that they also take this very seriously. >> that's right. and that's really the tension here. i think this jury understands the gravity of what's before them. >> craig melvin, you have more information for us? >> yeah, chris, we can tell that you judge nelson right now is answering a question from the jury about clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter. that was the question from the jury. they're asking for some clarification on the manslaughter charge. obviously the lesser of the two charges. >> help us out with that. >> that's a good sign for the prosecution, let me tell you. in a case that many have thought would likely end in a defensive verdict, the fact that they are stuck on the manslaughter instruction means perhaps they have rejected the second degree murder charge. as i said, juries often have a question about the jury

instructions. we all heard them on live tv, they're available online but they're confusing. they've gotten better but they're still confusing for lay people to understand all the terminolo terminology. jury instructions or decided by a form in the state and the judge can change them a little bit. we saw that in the charge con presen -- conference yesterday. but if there's a question about jury question, the judge will tell them use your own interpretation and go back there and do your best. >> is it possible, though, that they're either trying to decide between manslaughter and second degree murder or manslaughter and not guilty? >> you know, anything is possible. as i've said, the only thing this they really have to do is choose a foreperson at the beginning and come to a verdict at the end if they can. in between they can do what they want to do, they can discuss the issues and the topics and t