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it's way too late now for what we learned today so we'll leave it there. >> it's the all-star break. >> and go to "the daily rundown." >> happy all-star break. fight club. that's a shorter title for the world's most exclusive club these days. canary reid and mitch mcconnell find a filibuster fix without changing the rule rules. the entire senate will meet later today in the old chamber. protests form in cities across the country in the wake of the zimmerman verdict as demonstrators call for new action in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and some of that pressure is directed at attorney general eric holder and the justice department to pursue federal civil rights charges against zimmerman. holder speaks later today as new york congressman charlie rangel and others are calling for action. good morning from washington. another busy monday.
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july 15th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown. kw " we're going live in just a few minutes for the latest on the reaction to the zimmerman verdict. next 48 hours will tell you and tell all of us what the atmosphere will be like on capitol hill for the next six months. the full senate convenes a rare meeting of both parties in the old senate chamber. it's a late ditch effort to avoid the so-called nuclear option. the lolocation, a domed room whe the senate met. back in the 19th century, they used to cane each other. but crying wolf is par for the course in these filibuster fights. on "meet the press," reid showed no signs he intends to pull back from a change in the senate rules. >> the changes we're making are
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very, very minimal. what we're doing is saying, look, american people, shouldn't president obama have somebody working for him that he wants? >> i hope we'll come to our senses and not change the core of the senate. we have never changed the rules of the senate by breaking the rules of the senate in order to diminish the voices of individual senators. we've never done that. we shouldn't start it now. >> reid has scheduled tuesday votes for seven nominees including president obama's picks to head the bureau department and the export bank. if they're blocked, reid says democrats plan to deploy the so-called nuclear option. we will take a majority vote to change the senate rules. and will lip nate the filibuster, the 60 vote requirement on the executive nominees. to point out while opponents,
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given that it's limited to the president's team and does not include judicial appointments or legislation, it's the type of thing that would likely poll well. reid has not been selling his argument very well. right now, democrats haven't sold the didstinction because what they have planned. reid will deliver remark, at the liberal center for american politics on, quote, ending the current gridlock in the senate. reid pulled back on an attempt by some senate democrats to reform the filibuster overall. striking a last minute deal with mcconnell. the relationship between mcconnell and reid has eroded to the point that they barely speak to each other. mcconnell is angry that a superpac that is staffed by mostly former reid aides is attacking him on the air in kentucky. he thinks reid has gotten too involved in his campaign. the idea of truths between leaders went out the window when
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frist actively campaigned against daschle in 2004. they pulled no punches in 2010, doing their best to defeat reid in nevada. reid believes mcconnell has personalized their disagreements to boost his own prospects in 2014 among republicans who may be skeptical of mcconnell in kentucky. he was reportedly especially angry after mcconnell's campaign team tweeted out this campaign tombstone. according to "the washington post," one republican senator begged mcconnell to reach out to reid and set out a regular channel of communication like a biweekly breakfast. mcconnell refused saying he could not trust reid. have been replaced by a group of senators that is generally more partisan and impatient with senate formalities. the latest evidence that the cross-party alliances are more difficult to sustain than ever before.
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republicans have been put in the awkward position of defending a body which is historically unpopular. >> is there anyone out there in the world that believes what's going on is good? our approval rating is lower than north korea's. >> what is the problem here? the president has had 1,540 of his nominations confirmed. only 4 defeated. >> we put through an immigration bill, a big major bill. we put through a farm bill. we put through a water bill. big major bill. the senate, we put through 1,564 nominations and only 4 were defeated. where's the problem here? >> meanwhile, democrats, including the president, are in the awkward position of arguing that gridlock has become so terrible it outweighs the minority rights. they were persuaded just a few years ago feeded to be protected against the tyranny of the
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majority. >> everyone in this chamber knows if the majority chooses to end the filibuster, if they choose to change the rules and put an end to democratic debate, than it is fighting and bitterness will only get worse. time and again, congressional republicans cynically used senate rules and procedures to delay and even block qualified nominees from coming to a full vote. democrats weren't completely blameless. when i was in the senate. ways happening now is unprecedented. for the good of the american people, it has to stop. >> in the spring of 2005, the gang of 14 successfully negotiated a compromise over judges. avoided a change to the senate rule. senator john mccain played a role then and is working behind the scenes now to try to get a deal to defuse this situation. there are no guarantees it's going to work out this time. the fact the democrats are floating a less extreme rules change may make the change more likely to happen. that would mean an atmosphere in the senate that's even more
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toxic going into fall's big budget fights. yesterday, perhaps aware of that, mcconnell seemed to dial back his rhetoric. >> do you really believe your old friend and colleague harry reid is the worst senate leader ever if he goes forward with this? >> no, he won't be, if he pulls back from the brink as we did ten years ago. he's a reasonable man. he's a good majority leader. >> there you go. good cop/bad cop when it comes to mcconnell. he was good cop yesterday. last week was among the worst weeks we've seen in washington for a long time. whether it was the impasse over the reform. even the current u.s. foreign policy debacles. ways goi what's going on is a fear of leadership. if the two guys who can't get things moving in washington are allowing themselves to be paralyzed, it's a recipe for more gridlock and for less to get done. for the president of fear is playing out in the immigration debate. watching president obama tiptoe around the issue as the best
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chance at comprehensive immigration reform in a generation hangs in the balance is a head scratcher for some. on the other hand, the advice he's getting is politically pragmatic. have told him to keep a low profile. counseling the president that putting his stamp opn a fragile compromise could kill any prospects for a bill. on the other hand, he doesn't get a bill signed into law. last week, just two public events total. this week, he's likely to do an immigration event. probably won't be so political. it will be interesting to see how forcefully he weighs in there. speaker boehner could have negotiated a farm bill compromise. he could still cobble together the votes. but he seems to be terrified of bucking his troops and losing his leadership position. ultimately, it just comes across as another person in washington afraid to lead out of fear of retribution. what all this leaves us with is
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an uneasy paralysis in washington. both seem resigned to the fact they are victims of political circumstances. as little was getting done before, even less seems possible now. at what point does the collision change either for the president or boehner? something to watch. now to the growing nationwide reaction to george zimmerman's acquittal. in the second degree murder trial over the murder, over the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. protesters poured into the streets across the country in a dozen cities including chicago, denver and washington, d.c. demonstrators, most of them peaceful, demanded justice for trayvon martin. in new york's times square, a virtual shutdown with demonstrators blocking streets. in los angeles, the mayor called for calm after about 200 protesters closed a portion of the freeway. and in sanford, florida, protesters vowed to demand justice and express their anger and disappointment. >> my biggest disappointment is
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the fact that the whole world know that george zimmerman committed a murder. >> that is the same system that let george zimmerman walk in the front door of the police department and out the back that night without being arrested is the same system that just let him walk. >> sometimes things don't always go your way. and you can't let yourself fall apart. but you've got to move on as best you can. >> zimmerman supporters took to social media to show their support of the verdict. president obama reacted to the verdict and released the following statement. in the wake of the verdict, i know passions may be running higher. but we are a nation of laws and a jury has spoken. now attorney general holder has a big decision to make on whether or not to press federal rights charges against zimmerman. a statement saying in part, as the department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of trayvon martin.
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experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence revealed a prosecutable violation. some members of congress are calling for action later today. congressman charlie rangel, meeks and jeffries are planning a press conference to push for a justice department investigation. meanwhile, more protests and prayer vigils are scheduled for today including one in sanford. that's where we find craig melvin who has been there for the entire trial and is there today. craig, it had been very calm during the trial itself. what's the reaction like this morning? what was it like last night? >> the calm remains here in sanford. you mentioned the prayer vigil, chuck, it's going to happen at noon today. a number of local pastors have decided to open a church to allow people to come and grieve in some cases and pray as well. you mentioned the protests. nothing like that here in sanford, ten arrests in washington, d.c., we understand. at least one arrest out in los
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angeles. it's been remarkably calm here in sanford, florida. you saw the protesters. the demonstrators outside the courthouse before the verdict was read. they remains after the verdict had been read for several hours. no arrests then. very peaceful. they left in an odrderly fashio. i spent some time yesterday morning talking to mayor triplet. i asked him whether there had been any calls, a single call in or around sanford to his knowledge that might have been a result of the verdict. he indicated no. yesterday on my sunday afternoon show here on msnbc, i also asked the mayor of sanford, florida, about how this city, how sanford, florida, moves on after the verdict. >> our job is to make sure people see there's more than that. there's no getting away from the fact that trayvon martin was shot here. george zimmerman and trayvon martin, a tragic encounter. but they're two people.
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trayvon did not live here. zimmerman did not live here very long. zimmerman is not a product of sanford. >> city manager there talking about how sanford moves on. one of the concerns on the ground here, you talk to people about this case, you talk to them about george zimmerman and trayvon martin. everyone has an opinion here obviously. but they all seem to say the same thing with regard to this city. they're very concerned that this place forever becomes synonymous with and attached to what happened here between george zimmerman and trayvon martin. >> and do they think that's just something they have to deal with or that there is a way for them not to have -- not to have this be what sanford, florida's known for? >> well, they -- you know, yesterday norton talked about initiatives that they are currently considering launching some sort of ad campaign, but
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beyond that, i think a lot of it is probably wishful thinking. >> maybe time can heal that for sanford as well. all right. craig melvin in sanford, thank you very much. we'll have more on the verdict later this hour, including the future of stand your ground laws and why zimmerman's legal concerns could be far from over. plus, democrats just lost a big chance in big sky country. what former governor swit zero's decision not to run means for the battle for control of the u.s. senate in 2015. first, a look ahead at today's politics planner. it is a busy day here. with another president bush today after he was with president ford and bush 43 in african, he'll be with bush 41 today. a very nice event on the points of light volunteer foundation taking place at the white house. wait a sec! i found our colors. we've made a decision. great, let's go get you set up... you need brushes... you should check out our workshops...
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the lack of leadership in d.c. was never more apparent than last week when politics got the best of washington, immigration reform, farm bill and of course the stalled out nominees. both ends of pennsylvania avenue showed a failure to lead. joining me now, former white house press secretary for president obama robert begingib. and former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. this leadership thing, it was an interesting ap story about the conundrum that the president is in regarding his entire second term legacy for the agenda. rides on immigration. he has to do nothing. it's got to be personally -- that's what the political guys are telling him. >> i think to have gone through an entire election to be the president of the united states and understand there's very
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little that you can do to move house republicans, look, i think this is a leadership moment for john boehner and for senior republicans like jeb bush and others who are going to have to persuade their body to be either a national government veparty o simply revert to a regional party, that's what hangs in the balance. i have no doubt it is frustrating for the white house to sit and wait for house republicans to decide what they're going to do on this and understand his involvement isn't going to help that. >> this is more on boehner than obama? >> i think it is in many respects more on boehner today. it will be more on obama come february, march, april of next year when we're getting into the political season for the 2014 races of the house. that's when you'll see the president i think lead on immigration, using it as a sledgehammer. >> if nothing's happened. >> exactly.
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so this presents boehner and the leadership in the house to really begin to come out of this thing. maybe not smelling like a rose but a good gardenia would help. something that would make -- would give it -- them the legs to stand on in front the electoral next year. >> i want to talk quickly. harry reid. you think this is a good thing for democrats? >> what we have to figure out is a solution where a president gets up or down votes fairly quickly on his own nominees. >> better term limit? >> right. >> you think there either should be a distinction? >> sure, i think judicial nominees, i think legislation, keeping some balance into what the senate has always been, understanding that the filibuster has been wildly abused over the past four years. but, you know, the notion that the secretary of labor was appointed almost four months ago and is yet to get a vote. i mean, look, people may
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disagree with him. they may disagree with the epa nominee. they may disagree with the cfpb even being created but that person deserves an up or down vote. >> it seeps all of the disputes are never over the nominees but they're over what they think the nominees are going to do in office. the policies of the epa they're not going to like no matter who's in charge. the consumer financial protection board is something they never wanted invented. >> i go back to the point that the president gets to make his appointees, period. and so all of that's going to be driven by the president's agenda. you don't have these rogue cabinet secretaries and department heads going out there and making decisions on their own. >> some of it wish it did. >> i look at it this way, let the nuclear option rain. let it rain. >> future presidents? >> and for future leadership. look, the reality of it is, harry reid, this will come back and bite you when we take the
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senate in 2014. flip back and forth and let it go. >> it's not really a bite you in the you know what, it's like i said, a president needs his nominees. you can't complain that government doesn't work and then not have somebody there to run the government. >> at some point, governing has to be allowed to happen. >> it has to be allowed to happen, i agree. >> alberto gonzales wasn't the census attorney general pick but they had a vote and named him the attorney general of the united states. >> i want to go to trayvon martin. the president's response. very quickly, robert, when it came -- obviously, he had commented on this before the case was ever brought. it was interesting to see what the president said and didn't say. talked about maybe this will have a -- spark a conversation about gun debate. should we read between the lines of perhaps a federal civil rights charge is going to be very hard? >> i think knowing him, i think
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what he's probably doing is providing space for the justice department to take an honest look at and make an honest determination without putting the thumb on the scale either way. i think that's what the justice department should do. and make a determination based on what i know is very narrow federal statutes. >> michael, how politicized do you think it will become? >> i think hugely politicized. it's unfortunate. i don't think the justice department comes back to move forward with a finding of any civil rights charges in this case. they've already started to look at it over a year ago. if there was anything there, if there was a there there, they would have done something. i just don't see it happening. this is now really about a re-emergence of a civil rights discussion which is long overdue, that has little to do with voting rights. it's just about being black in america. >> which we don't have that conversation. >> we don't. >> it was eric holder who said
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we run away from it. >> we do, we make a let and right turn away from it. we don't stay on that course. >> we have to hope we work toward a justice system that if trayvon martin had been the defendant, rather than the victim, that everything would have worked out exactly the same way. >> on the same facts. >> what we have to do, we have to work towards a system where we can all look ourselves in the mirror and say that's the case. >> which is why the defense comment that, you know, in george zimmerman were black, he never would have been charged. i was like, are you high, of course he would have been charged. >> all right, thank you both. coming up, msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom. first, today's trivia question. which president declared july 15th national ice cream day? first person to tweet the correct answer to @chucktodd
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civil rights charges? >> right. so we know the doj is currently investigating whether or not to bring federal charges against zimmerman. they have a lengthy policy which i have reviewed in depth. essentially it boils down to would the federal charges be different and have different elements than what the state has already decided. because double jeopardy attaches. meaning once somebody's acquitted in a state case, the same case cannot be brought again. either in a state court or in federal court. but there are different federal charges potentially involved here. namely civil rights charges. it's so fascinating to me that in the state case the prosecution said explicitly to the jury a couple of times, this is not about race. if the federal government decides it is about race that trayvon martin's civil rights were violated and there's different elements to that crime, they could charge him. >> i talked to some folks in the administration who admitted that the bar's pretty high for the justice department to bring charges and that they would be
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surprised if this case met the bar. >> yeah, and there has to be a high probability of success translation, the federal government does not want to go through this whole process again and get another acquittal. they'll look at the evidence and see if they can come up with something different. this has happened before, most notably in the rodney king case. the police officers accused of beating rodney king were acquitted. the federal government tried them again and they were convict. >> i want to talk about the case itself. i'll be honest, thought the prosecution's press conference was just rather odd. after the whole thing. the somewhat defense and maybe not surprising but looking back and assessing what they did, how they chose to go about this, is the biggest mistake overcharging? >> i don't thing so. i think the prosecution made some very odd choices in the way they prosecuted this case.
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i already mentioned their failure to really zero in on the alleged racial profiling. they fought so hard to get into evidence the prior calls that zimmerman made about african-americans in the neighborhood. then they didn't use it. most noticeably in closing arguments, it seemed that both sides were arguing for a reasonable doubt. >> and when you look at what a civil case could be brought, what would that look like and how -- how much -- how vulnerable is george zimmerman in a civil trial? >> he'd be more vulnerable in a civil trial for a couple of reasons. number one, the standard of proof is lower. the prosecution did have a tough challenge with the burden of proof. they had to prove beyond a rez be a doubt zimmerman was not acting in self-defense. in a civil case, it's just a prepond rens of the evidence
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standard it also, he can be forced to testify in a civil case. we saw that in the o.j. simpson case. he was found not guilty in the criminal case, had to testify in the civil case and was found liable. >> so in a civil case, he would be forbes forced to testify? >> yes, he could be forced to re-enact the positioning of the bodies. he could potentially be asked to scream to see whether the scream meets with that 911 call. it could be really fascinating. >> if you were to pick one, you think there's more likely to be a civil case brought against george zimmerman than anything from the feds? >> there could be both. i mean, because they're different people making the decision. the family would make the decision with their private attorneys about whether to bring a civil action. the department of justice at multiple levelses would have to give the green light for the federal charges to go forward. >> lisa bloom, msnbc legal analyst. thank you. we should mention, george zimmerman has sued nbc universal
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texas state senator wendy davis to block an abortion rights restriction bill down there. simply put, filibuster's an attempt to block or delay action. most often used by the minority party to stall a process or prevent a vote. in the '60s senators moved to change the filibuster rules. in the 1970s, the rules were changed again, reducing the number of votes required to end a debate or stop a filibuster from two-thirds or three-fifths or the 60 we now have of the 100 senators. that process of ending the debate is known as cloture. now reid wants to change again. arguing the change is necessary because the body of the senate is not functioning the way it should. during all of bush's two terms, cloture was invoegsed 141 times. cloture doesn't always mean a fila buster but it's the best way senate historians have of keeping track of this issue. senator reid's proposed change
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would mean it would only take a simple majority, 51, to cut off debate. the change would apply only to cabinet change nominees not judicial appointments or legislation. joining me now is someone who knows these rules better than anyone else. a professor of political science at george washington university robert dove. mr. dove, how are you, sir? >> i am fine. i'm glad to be here with you. >> it's good to have you back. walk me through the process -- assume tonight doesn't go well. harry reid has to do what he's going to do. i'm confused here a little bit. there's -- supposedly it takes 67 votes to change the rules on senate unless it doesn't. explain how he's getting around here. >> it only takes a majority to change the rules of the senate. but any resolution to change the rules as a senate, if there is debate, takes 67 or two-thirds to shut off that debate. and my reaction is that this kind of proposal would be
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contentious and therefore it would require a cloture vote that was two-thirds. >> that was 67. there is a way they think they can get around it. how have they done it? >> i have actually seen it done. the vice president of the united states, nelson rockefeller, in 1975, interestingly enough, was a bipartisan group of senators led by senator walter mondale, democrat of minnesota, and senator james pearson, republican, of kansas, led a fight to change the rule. now, they did change it but after it had been gotten in a position to change, the majority leader at the time, senator mike mansfield, was appalled by the
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technique they had used. and he got unanimous consent to vishate everything that had been done and go through the regular procedure. so -- >> what is it exactly he's doing that avoids the 67 vote? >> okay, i have no idea what senator reid has in mind. >> but he seems to have a way to do this? >> well, he says that he does, but i'm not sure what it is. my reaction is, if he doesn't get cloture, for example, on one of these nominees, he can lodge an appeal. but appeals are debatable. and it would take cloture to end debate on the appeal. so i really don't know what he has in mind. >> 'cause before it used to be basically the first senate day. the first day of the senate was in session, there was a way to
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do at all this. >> well, theoretically that's been posited. my reaction is that's absurd. there's no history of the senate changing its rules on the opening day except for the very first senate. it has never happened in the past. it did not happen that way in 1975. >> when this change was made from 67 down to 60, i imagine there were people who said, boy, this is going to change the way that the senate works. >> well, i can tell you there was bitterness over the way it was changed that lasted for years. and my reaction is if this is also changed in that way, there would be bitterness again for years. >> just the acrimony. when you saw from '67 to '60, give me an example of that bitterness. >> okay, what i remember is that having changed the rule to 60,
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various senators looked for holes in the cloture rule and they found them. there was a filibuster led by only two senators, senator howard mensabaum of ohio and the senator from south dakota. they came up with a way of a post-cloture filibuster using the amendment process. and they -- it looked after about eight days as if this post-cloture filibuster could go on till christmas. this was september. so, now, that's been changed. now there is a solid 30 hours po post-cloture that was changed first in 1979 under robert byrd and then in 1985 when it was reduced from 100 to 30. >> all right, robert dove, former senate parliamentarian.
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congressional approval ratings all time low and not a surprise. not just the public fed up but even lawmakers are feeling frustrated. >> the only way you get something is to become obnoxious? we have turned from a senate to a theater! and i'm tired of being part of a theater. if i wanted to be part of a theater, i would have gone to new york. >> the whole senate expected to attend tonight's meeting to invoice the nuclear option is this a last chance for a deal or the beginning after whole new world. let's bring in perry bacon jr. and dan balls and vivian who is
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a founder of latino club. last week history in washington. >> that's saying a lot. >> even is so used to it and yet it was so bad and here we are about to whatever is going to happen here, the unintended consequences are probably going to be ugly. >> unless everybody steps back from the break. that still is a possibility, although, you know, the last time they got close to this there was a gang of 14 that intervened and found a way out of it and there is no -- >> a sense that -- >> at this point, you don't. maybe bringing everybody together tonight in the old senate chamber will have some impact. >> perry, here is former senator kit bond saying about the senate, i miss it like an abscessed tooth. i'm dealing with my own pain issue today and that brings
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cringe inducements and the way a lot of the senators feel. >> a lot of them won seats in the house to get to the senate where things happened and legislation moves and now they feel like a new version of that and ted cruz is saying thing and so on. we should note 18 days ago the senate passed the immigration bill so the senate is not like the house and it actually moves legislation and not totally broken in the way the house often is. i think there is still room like dan said. we have a big meeting tonight. the john mccain's and some have influence there so there is a possibility of a deal still. >> this goes to this larger issue of allowing elections to have consequences. vivian, the senate got a bill passed and the house may not consider it at all and boehner leani leaning on this and could force him out of the speakership and he is not ready to do that. >> what is really happening here
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is that the republicans, certain republicans, the extreme wing of the republicans, seem to have their own agenda. they are going to their own tune. in fact, recently polling suggests that conservative primary nonwhite his panic voters support it. the narrative in republican circles was to say that the president this time around with immigration reform if it were to pass in some comprehensive form. >> using that health care language on immigration to me it was a signal. are trying to kill it and they are not interested in making it happen. >> certainly at this point in the house they are not. but i think we have a number of months for this to play out. let's see where we are in november or december as we get close to the end of this. >> by the way, i never thought we would be saying that about immigration. >> i think that people always underestimated how difficult it
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would be in the house. if you think back from november to december to january to today there is a move back on the part of republicans on the idea that they need this. >> they don't think they need it in the same way. >> exactly right. >> i want to go to 2014. brian schweitzer seemed to shock democrats over the weekend. former montana governor. that max balkus is retiring. perry, supposed to be their way of holding that seat and brian schweitzer decides not to run. >> big blow and rumors about his supporters involved in dark money groups and might be the reason why he decided not to run. arkansas, louisiana, alaska become very important places. you have three senate democratic incumbents and places red states and those are the three races become hugely important. >> the more republicans think they have a shot at getting all of congress, why should they start cooperating with the president? >> the thing about it is if
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immigration ends up having this long and painful death, look at what happened with the primaries during the republican -- during the presidential election in november. this was that long drawn-out toxic debate that turned off latino voters. is it in the best interest for republicans to cooperate with this president not just on immigration but remember that immigration touches so this aspects of our national agenda? education. the economy. global competitiveness. yes, is there any kind of incentive if you think about low latino particularlily in the elections around the corner? maybe not so much. >> if republicans see this huge opportunity, then suddenly they may put the pause on a lot of things. >> but, chuck, that is the reality that has affected our politics now for a number of years which -- >> just wait for the next election. >> the out party always believe they will be the in party for the next election because we have had these swings and it
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does clog up the process. >> it means you have no elections you no longer have consequences. >> they have some but much less. >> shame loess plugs. perry? >> colleague paul came from the "the washington post." >> he had a great quote easement we just talked about it. >> very nice. >> what you got? >> i've got two. >> make it quick. >> summer program hit -- this summer and happy 50th wedding anniversary to my parents. >> to my wife nancy we recently celebrated 44 years together. >> 44? >> you're not old enough to have been married for 44 years! some sort of teenage wedding, clearly. thank you all. for more on brian schweitzer's decision and now rankings on the top ten senate seats likely to change hands, go to msnbc.com. coming up next is chris jansing.
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>> i'm bill karins. the heat is on. heat wave will cover much of the country throughout monday through friday time period. today, one the hottest spots is new york city 97 degrees and that heat will spread during the week. one of the cooler spots with rain new mexico and texas and need it and where the drought is the worst.
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i'm chris jansing. prayers and protesters outrage and anger. in cities across the country, we are seeing reaction to the not guilty verdict in the george zimmerman trial. there have been protesters across new york city, los angeles, miami, washington, d.c. in new york, times square was virtually shutdown. in los angeles a freeway was brought to a stand still. the demonstrations were largely peaceful. about a dozen people arrested for disorderly conduct and we haven't seen any demonstrations on behalf of george zimmerman we have seen his supporters rally on social media. a prayer service will be conducted to encourage peace and unity but this verdict has renewed questions about race, equality, and justice in america. >> it's very disconcerting. it's very upsetting and that is why i couldn't sleep because i do have a young child and she deserves to have a future better than this. >>
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