into the ice to retrieve it. they never watch, you know. >> depends how big the container. >> want to share if they are below the age of 5 optional. "morning joe" starts now. i understand why people are angry that dzhokhar tsarnaev is on the cover because up until now "rolling stone's" covers feature role models like o.j. simpson or charles manson.

we all remember when men's health had their controversial cover, hitler's solution for belly fat flew off the shelves. >> good morning everyone. it is thursday, july 18th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have chairman of deutsche incorporated. former democratic congressman. and in washington former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckennen. donnie, you are probably right about that. he is already making comments about the front page of the new york post talking about the heat here in washington and is complaining there is not a hot babe on the cover. >> if i am in the newspaper

business and i ingoing to demonstrate the heat in new york i am probably not going to put a dude. it is newspaper 101. you and i talk about that all the time. >> do we? >> just saying. >> orlando bloom. >> come on. stop. >> donny, are you suggesting that women can't read? that women don't have money to buy a newspaper? do women not have a right to see dudes? >> as a student of history, to sell magazines and newspapers put a pretty woman, a baby or a dog on the cover. i see the dog. they forgot. i am just a media analyst. >> good we have you here because we are talking about the cover of another magazine. editors at the "rolling stone"

magazine are speaking out in defense of their latest cover. it features what some call a glamorized rock star photo of dzhokhar tsarnaev. some have compared it to an old cover of jim morrison. wall greens said they will not be selling this issue. cvs said we believe this is the right decision out of respect of the victims. k-mart said they will not sell it. rite aid said the issue is being removed as it arrives. the magazines editors responded to the criticism in a statement saying in part the cover story falls within the traditions of journalism and rolling stone's

long standing commitment to serious and thoughtful coverage of political and cultural issues of our day. the fact that tsarnaev is young and in the same age group of many of our readers makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. what do you think? >> you know, i think like most americans i wish that people that committed these heinous acts never would be written about, never would see their pictures, would never be profiled or elevated at all, that they would remain basically locked away. we don't live in mr. snowden's russia. we live in the united states of america. when horrible things happen to

us -- after 9/11 everybody went out and bought the quran. it was the top selling book in america for a month or so because we examine. we were trying to figure out why they hated us and we ended up realizing they hated us because we were evil. that evil had a specific look. it was osama bin laden. it was foreign and exotic. what is so jarring about this cover is that this is a kid. it is a good looking kid, a popular kid that looks like a lot of the readers of "rolling stone." the enemy now is from within. the enemy looks like our next door neighbor. this is the tradition of "rolling stone." the article is very in depth. if you have read "rolling stone" for more than a week or so you are not shocked by this.

i understand why people in boston are offended. it is certainly cvs's right and k-mart's right to ban the magazine. it is not surprising to me or people who have been reading this magazine for decades now. >> it is interestingt that his looks connect with the fabric of american society. in terms of selling magazine my first reaction and reaction of friends of mine, very first reaction was eh. >> that is the reaction they want. >> i think joe laid it out really, really well. do people have a right to be outraged? of course, they do. but the very thing that is making them outraged is that on the first blink they are giving him rock star status. of course, they are not. to joe's point what makes this so important is this is a kid

who five or six or seven years ago was a well-liked kid who could have ended up in a rock and roll band and the terror is within. we move on two months later he was a terrorist which of course he was. the frightening part of it is he does look like a kid that would end up on the cover of "rolling stone." that is the outrage. >> they also call him a monster. the article is very well researched. i'm not here defending "rolling stone" at all. i'm saying you put it all in perspective. i understand the visceral shock of that cover. i think that is the shock to say he looked like a kid that could be on the cover of "rolling stone" except he is a monster. it's jarring. >> it says monster on the cover. i'm totally sympathetic to the

people in boston including the mayor and officers who were shot. anything that tried to explain away or justify or put into a better light anyone who had anything to do with 9/11 infuriated me having grown up in this area. the woman who wrote the piece tweeted out last night. it is what you describe. the lead of the piece is the high school coach learning the news learning that is a guy who grew up with my kids who was the captain of the team and was a regular kid at school. >> we could have that discussion for hours. i'm sure they did. journalists at "rolling stone" are some of the best in the industry. this is a business story because four major retailers have chosen

not to sell it which i'm not sure we see that all the time. there is a back lash here. >> they have us talking about it. hopefully they have people examining it more and watching more for signs that other kids could find themselves in a similar predicament. >> your gut reaction to the cover? >> i think joe nailed it. i share joe's view on this. >> i don't agree with the banning. you started out with we're not russia. i think for a cvs or a wal-mart to make a decision of what their shoppers should and should not read is the obvious slippery slope. i endorse every outrage but i on the one hand the same way they argue it is glorifying it and maybe it causes a kid to do that it may cause a coach or teacher or friend or next door neighbor to look harder at a kid they see

going in the wrong direction. >> i think that is a really good point that this actually puts americans more on alert to realize that there's not going to be a 6'4" guy in a turbine walking around new york city that they need to be worried about. now you have to be vigilant all the time. i think you look at the decision by these businesses it probably a very wise business. >> because of what we do for a living, too. >> but i think certainly most people in boston would be offended. i think most americans would think this is the last thing you want to be doing is glorifying this kid and sending a message to the next kid sitting in a

dorm room who is troubled i can go out in a blaze of glory. nothing is going well in my life. my girlfriend just broke up with me. i am not going to have a job. i hate these americans. i wish my family kept me where i was. or it could be a domestic terrorist like timothy mcveigh, i'm going to go out in a blaze of glory. i understand why americans would think that. i think this may be a very good business decision and a sensitive decision certainly in the area of boston for them to make. that doesn't mean i think it is necessarily the right thing to do. a couple of other headlines to get to. the nra is pushing back against attorney general eric holder who called states to take a hard look at stand your ground laws. the nra's executive director is

accusing holder of exploiting the death of trayvon martin to expand gun control across the nation. chris cox says the obama administration is using strategies to push their political agenda. my question is how else do you address the gun problem in our country unless you look at the tragedies caused by gun violence across the country. >> newtown changed things for me as far as background checks go. i don't know. the stand your ground laws for me have been separated from the second amendment. i think it is the nra that is jumping in here trying to gain some points with with americans who, again, most americans probably agreed with the jury in florida. i don't know. willie geist i don't get the connection here. i understand the nra has been a

champion of stand your ground laws. for me it is not the same as having the right to keep and bear arms. >> there are pretty strong arms not just in florida. stand your ground is in about two dozen states. this is a very important issue for the nra. it is their job and their role to jump in and present their side of the case. >> i think the attorney general's speech the other day was amazing. let's go to wyoming. newest candidate for the u.s. senate in wyoming is on the campaign trail. and liz cheney descended on the state on a web video announcing her candidacy. she did not mention incumbent mike insy by name. some saw it as a reference to his age. >> do you think she believes you are too old to be senator? and are you too old to be senator? >> i inabsolutely not too old to

be senator. i am in the median age. i am in really good health. i am on the committees that i wanted to be on. and i have seniority which is really trust that you develop. >> earlier this week senator insy expressed surprise at -- she insured if he ran for another term she would not enter the race. from the trail yesterday liz cheney deflected the claim. >> i think senator enzi may be confused. what happened is i called senator enzi to tell him i was considering a run. i have always believed that that decision should be may irrespective of whoever else is in the race. i did not tell senator enzi i

would not run if he did. i suppose he is just confused. >> let me ask mark mccannen or do you want to take it? >> i lost hearing for a second here. i heard liz cheney say he was confused. and that he was old. you know, this is what younger politicians do. when i ran i always talked about we need a new generation of leadership. it is perfect. enzi was playing right into what an insurgeant candidate wants by saying i am experienced and i am on the committees i need to be on. that is the trap they fall into. i think it is lining up for liz cheney. we need a new generation of leaders because that is one of the most effective out there. >> he looks fairly old.

he said he is the median age in the senate. that is a problem right there. >> that is the problem, exactly. >> liz cheney is going to be a very good candidate. i worked with her during the bush campaigns. she is smart. she is focused. she is disciplined. she has a great back story. she has a large family. she is a great mom. and she is a hard worker. i think she will be a very effective campaigner. >> i think so, too. it is going to be so fascinating. i know liz. i like liz. i don't know if those feelings are reciprocated during the campaign. >> go ahead. >> let me ask you a question about liz cheney. you are the founder of no labels. if she were to be elected do you think she would be an ally to you and the organization you cofounded?

>> i strongly doubt it. >> mike enzi is a better ally for things you and i both care about. i don't view her as being additive in a positive way if she were elected. >> cheney has a long history of being fairly partisan. i think she will be a strong candidate. >> that goes without saying. in terms of advancing ideas and new policies from budget reduction, should say deficit reduction. she is not the right personality. >> i agree with you. i have doubts about whether or not she would sign up for the no labels problem solvers coalition but we would welcome her to the party if she would join us. >> maybe i am missing something. you have run campaigns and run for office successfully. it is not a winning strategy to

knock the old guy. >> we are all dancing around this. that looked really mean to me. that looked mean. >> that guy seemed like a very competent, thoughtful. that is 101. am i missing something here? >> no. i mean, i think that is true. i think there will be some reaction like that. i think there is a lot of people in wyoming who think she is jumping in too soon, that mike enzi is a solid office holder. >> she is basically saying you are too old to run and you seem confused. that seems ornery and nasty and an immediate turnoff to voters. >> she was addressing the question of whether or not she said she was going to run against enzi. >> he is not telling the right story. the correct story is i did not say that. why do you have to call the

older man when you are touting the next generation confused. i like her a lot but let's call it for what it is. >> his last two elections last he won with 76% of the vote and the one before that with 73% of the vote. they like mike enzi. this tact is a dangerous one. >> if she were to win it, i care deeply about getting things done. i am fairly certain she would not go there and be a part of a coalition of people looking to bring democrats and republicans together. >> the latest thing she talked about is that republicans keep caving. >> the party of cavers. >> that is the problem in washington. >> i can't wait to hear more. i will say that i sort of have kind of a bad reaction to that sound byte. i think she is really smart so i

think she knows exactly what she is doing. if we pretend she doesn't then we are not giving her credit for being a bright person. chuck todd joins the conversation and personal finance person on the back lash of mcdonald's sample budget for workers which implies everyone has a second job. plus we will talk to the co star of the new civil war film "copper head." and our conversation with comedian jane lynch. first, bill carens with a check on the forecast. >> florida heat wave. that is what it has been like across the country. this is what it is like to live in florida throughout the entire summer. you get the heat and the humidity. in florida you get afternoon storms to cool you off. look at this map. the red shows you where the 90s are. almost everyone was in the 90s.

miami, florida was one of the coolest yesterday because they had clouds and rain all day long. today another dangerous day. as the heat waves get longer they take more of a toll on your body. we have heat warnings. today a very hot day, probably the hottest day of the heat wave will be today along the big cities northeast. d.c. hits 98. the heat wave still very much going on in chicago and minneapolis, too. it will end there first as we go throughout the upcoming weekend. it looks like as we get to saturday we cool it off in the great lakes and sunday we cool it off in the northeast. unfortunately, we have strong thunderstorms that usher in the cooler air mass. we will deal with that. new york city i think this has a chance of being the hottest day of the summer. forecasting a high around 97 degrees. you are watching "morning joe"

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time to take a look at the morning papers. we will start with the washington post. the environmental protection agency head quarters was renamed wednesday in honorer of former president bill clinton. the city of dubai is set to launch an initiative to award all citizens who attempt to spread pounds known as worth your weight in gold.

out of 5.5 million residents half are obese. "usa today" a new surgical knife has the ability to help surgeons detect cancerous tissue without sending it to the lab. the knife uses molecules to analyze if the tissue is cancerous or healthy. the "l.a. times" the trial of the ship captain is underway in italy. the ship ran aground in january 2012. there were 4,000 passengers aboard, 32 of whom were killed. the captain is accused of manslaughter. washington times a new study from the smithsonian magazine. the research doesn't explain why

the insects are drawn to beer drinkers. other factors that could make you more attractive to the pests include blood type, motabalism and pregnancy. >> stick with bourbon. >> interesting mix of stories. joining us with a look at the plit coplay book. >> why my whole body is covered in mosquito bites. >> just pounding miller. >> your lead piece on the site is about marco rubio. you take us behind the curtain. you say it is a stumble for him. >> if you think about two months ago you couldn't go a day without reading about marco rubio. now he doesn't want to talk about immigration reform at all. 70% of senate republicans rejected his plans. he has gone totally silent. his poll numbers have gone down in iowa and the three or four

polls since he started getting into immigration among republicans. and privately republicans wondering if he got played by folks in the immigration debate being part of the gang of eight. this guy looking very unsteady. >> does he get cred in any corner of the republican party for his effort on immigration reform? where is he getting the most credit? >> he thinks ultimately is if this thing is successful he was able to be part of a bill that got through the senate. what is surprising to some and we talked to lindsey graham we said if you have clout with the house now is the time to use it, he has gone silent. he is the author of this bill. there is probably no person other than himself and schumer that are more integral to having the bill that got out of the senate.

the fact that he went silent when you have almost every conservative condemning it, now is when supporters of immigration reform need rubio more than ever. >> are you surprised that senator rubio stepped out the way he did on this without knowing he was going to have the full support of republicans? >> i was encouraged by the way he stepped out. one of the things that attracted people to rubio early on was his willingness to be independent and be thoughtful on difficult issues like immigration. i was excited and my colleagues were encouraged to see him take the lead on immigration. we need his voice more than ever right now on immigration reform. >> do you think this hurts him long term? >> once you embrace an issue like this you go full force and don't start ducking when the heat comes. leadership means doing unpopular things sometimes.

that is where he should be getting credit rather than ducking for cover. >> is it just me or when rubio first came on the scene, what an exciting story. the more we pulled back the curtain the more wobbly it seems to be. >> i would like to see some meat on that bone. >> this is a critical moment for him. if he stands up and faces the heat he can come out of this i think stronger. before i let you go you have a piece up about liz and dick cheney and her relationship with her father. what do you make of what she is doing so far? >> you had a good conversation going with her comments aimed at saying he is old and i'm young. she can't run to the right of him and say republicans don't like him in the state. she has to say i'm younger, fresher, new ideas. when you do that you are

basically saying he is old and he has old ideas. her big asset is going to be dick cheney. he knows everybody. he knows every person who has money in the republican party. money can't buy an election but it helps a lot. he can help take republican senators and private conversations and keep them from intervening in the race. he is going to be a huge asset. and the two of them are inseparable. i have never sat down with the vice president to interview him where she has not been present. they are always with each other. they are involved in the book together and all of their political strategy together. >> i don't disagree any of that and the power of cheney especially in that state. isn't senator, enzi extremely popular? if you win an election with 76% of the vote that seems popular. >> how old is he?

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44 past the hour. time for the must read opinion pages. a big day for no labels. first i want to read from the "boston globe" about the cover of "rolling stone." the rolling sto"rolling stone" can't hurt us. people who are mad about this cover say it glamorizes tsarnaev. that it puts him with those objects of dreamy tween fantasies. staring out from that cover through. the bomber how a popular promising student was failed by his family, fell into radical islam and became a monster. it does something newspapers like this one convicts him. i can see how any image of

tsarnaev can be painful for the victims. the level of outrage seems way out of proportion to what is at worst an insensitive editorial call. a long list of local stores have simply refused to carry the issue as if none of us is strong enough to see it or to decide for ourselves whether to buy it. >> i'm not going to argue with the feelings of the emotions of anybody connected to this in boston. they have a right. this photograph on the cover of "rolling stone" appeared on the "new york times." it is not a new photo. >> the very thing people are outraged about is the compelling part that it does and is the kid next door. that's the point. we got to stop protecting ourselves from ourselves.

you can hate it. you cannot buy it. as i said earlier for retailers to decide as a consumer i don't get to make that decision. >> what would be the motivation to not carry it from a purely business perspective? is there one? sglu i think when they talk about brand loyalty they feel like they are siding with their emotions they have a feeling for what i'm doing. the truth is people should be able to make that consumer choice on their own. "rolling stone" you have to read the piece to put the whole thing together. it's a cronology of how he was radicalized. let's move on to politics because i think something might have happened in washington. >> no. >> i think you had a dream about that. >> i got to stop with the ambien. it appears they have agreed on immigration, filibusters and

student loans. a number of republicans have been meeting with president obama's team on a possible big deal. senator graham tells the "new york times" that the gop made a mistake in blocking the president's pick to lead the consumer financial protection bureau. didn't it take two years? that is a long mistake. according to graham cordra warks was being filibustered because we don't like the law. that is no reason to deny someone their appointment. we were wrong. and senator corker reportedly called bs -- >> we didn't say it in full. >> bs on minority leader mitch mcconnell. senator marco rubio is not nearly as pleased. he took several of his republican colleagues to task for voting to advance the

nomination of tom perez to be secretary of labor. >> i don't care what deal you cut how could you possibly agree to move forward on a nomination when the nominee refuses to apply with a congressional subpoena. >> there you go. a little something. no labels. when you look at what is happening in washington today might there be something that no labels has done to urge compromise and tell us about your big announcement today. >> it appears there is a real thought going on. 81 members of congress, 41 democrats and 40 republicans signed up for the no labels problem solvers caucus. they have been meeting a lot because they discovered they like their colleagues. they have come up with a whole package called make government work. it is nine bills in the house,

eight in the senate that are all geared around waste and efficiency in government. they are going to gather before the capitol today. 70 or more will make a statement and throw a big rock in the pond to let everybody know that they can and are working together and are getting stuff done and are solving problems.

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time for a little news you cannot use. you probably heard the phrase don't mess with texas. lewis black the comedian not listening to that warning. he's got a message for governor rick perry regarding his attempts to take jobs from new york and bring them to the great state of texas. here's lewis black on the "daily show." >> this is new york. the city that never sleeps. people come here from all over the world. for the freedom to live as they choose. for the variety of cultures.

but most of all for the fact that it's not texas! you say everything is bigger in texas? we have a 300-foot green beacon of liberty and you have a whatever the [ bleep ] this thing is. we have two baseball teams. one is the best in history. and the other we keep just out of pity. you say we got too much regulation? we got wall street. they break the law for a living and never get punished. new yorkers go to the bathroom anywhere they want. we love the smell of urine. it smells like freedom. >> this is my city. >> this is our city. >> this is our city. >> this is our city. >> this is my [ bleep ] city. >> rick perry you are a scmuck. >> remember the alamo? neither do we. >> don't mess with texas. no.

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. all right. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsch is still with us along with mark mckin none. joining us from washington, chief white house correspondent and political director and host of the daily rundown chuck todd. here in new york, host of msnbc's "up" with steve kornacki. steve kornacki, good to have you. feeling good about the show >> feeling better. less unconfident. >> excellent. we're happy to have you this morning. he's less unconfident. joe, you and mark, i just don't get it. last hour we were talking about liz cheney and you guys were pussy footing around the issue.

oh, totally ridiculous like what's going on. everyone else can read into exactly what she's doing. your guys afraid of her? no. i can't imagine. >> first of all, if you know liz's mother, you should be afraid. however liz is tough. listen mark and i have run campaigns, he on a much larger scale in republican primaries but it's not just republicans, change and mark will tell you, change is always the best message. jfk did it in 1960 and he made up a missile gap that didn't exist with the soviet union. so politics ain't bean bag and what mark and i were trying to say is if you've got a woman talking about change and then you got an older guy with gray hair going well, you know, i'm actually the average age of senators, you immediately get well that's problem number one and then goes and i woman

entrenched in here. when i was running against people and they talk about experience and they talk about being on the right committees, that's just great because that just sends up all the flags. he's been in washington too long. all i'm saying it's a more interesting race. the most fascinating part of the race and mark i would love you to talk about it, liz cheney and i agree on a lot of things but we disagree on foreign policy. she's a neocon. she believes in a much more active foreign policy like her father. rand paul says i'll do whatever it takes to beat liz cheney because rand paul also is a bit more skeptical of an aggressive foreign policy. i think that's what's so fascinating about this race. it's not young against old, it's not conservative against more conservative. i think it's neocon versus realist. >> there's no question to me and to others here at the table she's making it young versus old and not in a nice way.

in a web video announcing her candidacy she didn't mention mike enzi by name but called for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. some saw that as a reference to enzi's age. >> do you think she believes you're too old to be senator and are you too old to be senator? >> i'm absolutely not too old to be senator. i'm in the median age for this body. >> that's actually true. >> i'm in really good health and i'm on the committees that i wanted to be on. and i have seniority which is really trust that you develop. >> earlier this week senator enzi expressed surprise that her candidacy. according to the senator miss cheney assured him if he ran for another term she would not enter the race. enzi says obviously that was not correct. from the trail yesterday she deflected the claim. >> i think senator enzi may be confused. what happened is i called

senator enzi to tell him i was considering a run. and i have always believed that decision should be made irrespective of whoever else is in the race. it's not true. i did not tell senator enzi i wouldn't run if de. i suppose he's just confused. >> so, joe, i'll let you take to it mark but my point everyone can tell what she's doing and i'll bring it to donnie later after you explain what you all thought was positive about this message that liz cheney could benefit given that everyone knows her to be tough, everyone knows her to be smart, everyone knows her name because of her father she could afford to be really, ream nice. really wonderful. really elegant. really kind. and not what she was doing in that sound bite. joe. >> hey politics ain't bean bag. mark mckenna will tell you that. you get your advantages wherever you can get your advantages. i'm not here to defend liz

cheney. i'm not here to defend what she's doing. i'm not even here to say mike enzi should be out. i'm saying tactically n move. when i first ran i was 29. the guy i was running against was 45 or 46. i talked about youth. okay. i'll tell you what. let's let people around the table that run political campaigns talk. go ahead. who is next? >> mark. >> nowhere else but in the united states except the u.s. senate is the average age is 69 which mike enzi is. liz cheney that was a strategic move no mistake. it was perfectly fairplay to say he was confused. if they have a differing story about what happened and liz cheney believes what she says is the truth then he was confused. >> first of all that's just saying he's old and secondly donnie what would you -- >> he clearly -- it is a

tactical -- it's a bad tactic strategically for this reason. it makes you very unlikable. i'll say it again. ronald reagan was 69. hillary clinton if and when she runs will be about that age and it's one thing to say ideas are old but to just personally turn and say twice he was confused, all is fair. it's not a matter -- i think it's a bad strategy. i think it really -- at the end of the day people vote for people they like. it makes her very unlikable. >> you know what, chuck todd i don't know that people always vote for people they like. sometimes they vote for people they think will shake things up and be more effective. again we're having a debate on campaigning not on liz cheney. i know there's some people that are very confused out there when you actually talk about things on the be a strak and go on twitter saying why your supporting liz cheney's

accommodate decide for president in 2016. we're just talking. i'm just telling you as a guy that's run as the young guy in the race it sets up well when you talk about the new generation of experience and the other guy has got gray hair talking about how he's the average age of people in the senate and entrenched and he has the right committees. especially the republican base, that doesn't sell. >> especially if you're challenging a sitting incumbent. it's not just the why me. when your message has to be why me not him. why me not them. what is liz cheney's basic why me not him. time for a new generation of leaders. you want to answer that basic question and so on that front. i think that message is legitimate. i want makes sense. it would be weird if that wasn't part of her message. she's a second generation of cheney. she's a generation younger than enzi. that makes sense. i have to say the confused --

confused can be code and confused -- i thought the confused line was a bit of a shot and i do think she needs to be careful. i think that's one of those things. >> be careful. >> be careful. you don't want to do it too much. we've seen plenty of races where an older candidate and people tipped her on the issue. if you push it too hard then it will backfire. mondale pushed too hard backfired on reagan. when bill roth was running against carper and carper was careful and roth's age showed on its own in a big tv interview and it ended the race right there. carper didn't have to say anything. if you think age is a factor and you're the candidate challenging you should be careful. the confused line she should be less clever next time. >> steve kornacki, new generation of politicians and the change is good generally, good politics is a good message and joe has been there and

experienced it. it's not clear in this particular case people in wyoming are looking for a change because mike enzi won last night with three quarters of the vote. >> this is a primary challenge. liz cheney is ambitious. she want as title. she wants to be somebody in politics. she has to answer the question what has he done in terms of his voting and actions in the senate. if you look at the primary challenge that succeeded there's usually a glaring liability. joe lieberman losing in connecticut in 2006. bennett at the convention in 2010. one that comes to mind that maybe i see a slight parallel a few months ago frank lawsuitenburg, cory booker, much younger was ready to challenge frank -- frank lautenberg. booker was not out there saying anything about his age but people were taking that age.

89, 69, there's a difference there as well. >> okay. all right. unlike last hour the ethical questions about bob mcconnell is overshadowing the tight governor's race. the gifts that mcdonnell received. according to reports mcdonnell was given money for his daughter's wedding, a rolex, a shopping spree and $70,000 to a company owned by mcdonnell and his sister. "the washington post" reports today emails show mcdonnell helped ceo get meetings with the state health secretary. mcdonnell's approval ratings have be tumbled 12 points in the last month. he has 36% approval compared to a 41% disapproval. terry mcauliffe and ken cuccinelli are running for his seat. cuccinelli says mcdonnell's

story is becoming a distraction. it dominants the coverage which makes it harder to talk to people about growing jobs and about a positive vision for virginia. terry mcauliffe leads cuccinelli by four points and chuck todd the story keeps growing and it used to be that bob mcdonnell was bob for jobs. that's how he won the race. >> it's an extraordinary downfall when you think about it. bob mcdonnell was a semiserious running mate option for mitt romney a year ago coming from a swing state in virginia. he was a conservative that got elected and governed more center right. figured out how to get bipartisan stuff done. the transportation bill in virginia seemed to be something that might actually work. it's been a great white whale, if you will for a lot of governors in virginia. and in ken cuccinelli was desperate to have mcdonnell -- the irony here is now he's trying to run away from him.

three months ago the entire campaign plan was to moderate cuccinelli, cuccinelli was going say i'll be like mcdonnell. i'll govern like him. i'll govern center right. now he has to run away from him. that's a double whammy on conduct cornerback. not just that mcdonnell is a distraction is that he loses the opportunity to have a verifier from somebody who was up until basically the last six weeks as this scandal has percolated. somebody who was fairly trusted with the middle of the electorate in virginia with, you know, centrist democrats, independents and senate republicans. >> boy, mark mckenna this for me at least a big loss for conservatives at least in the short term. we don't know how things are going to play out. but, what was so great about bob mcdonnell and he was rock conservative, i'm talking about

before the transportation bill. he was a conservative that focused on jobs. he seemed non-ideological. he was one of the more conservative governors in america pre-transportation bill i say again. even with being as conservative as he was he was seen as being non-ideological. i thought and he was good role model for national candidates. >> he was. he was a huge rising star in the republican party. kind of a small conservative and focused on jobs, kept everything down the middle. had a hugely bright future. and then got swamped by these controversies and he's dragging not just himself his approval ratings but retaining the governorship in virginia. >> steve, you know, again, joe, we watched his candidacy, you know, covering it here on the show and we were like why on other candidates being like bob

mcdonnell. he's focused on jobs. it's how he won. literally this was in some ways kind of a terrible fall. >> the other interesting thing, we're talking about how he was mentioned primarily as a running mate for mitt romney last year. he was mentioned as a 2016 candidate. this guy had a potential national future. so weird to me when people have that kind of ambition, potential future get caught up in these perks of the office, leveraging relationships. >> small time stuff too. >> right. >> this wasn't millions of dollars. it's like ten grand here, 15 grand here. buddy was it worth it? >> it feels like something hey if you're a state legislator for life these are the kind of scandals that take you down. nationally ambitious governor usually smarter than that. >> this same donor that got governor mcdonnell in trouble williams is accused of helping

cuccinelli. cuccinelli will not get charged. but they are not going bring charges against him. >> one other headline to get to. the fallout over edward snowden is officially having an impact on u.s. foreign policy. the white house is staying deliberately vague over the president's fall travel plans which were expected to include one on one talks with russia's president over the crisis in syria. the silence on the matter raises speculation that president obama will snub russian president vladimir putin if snowden the 30-year-old former defense contractor is granted asylum by moscow. the outrage over snowden has ratcheted the outrage in the senate. lindsey graham is talk about a boycott of the 2014 winter games in russia. a plan met with fair. a backlash from his own

political party. >> if you could go back in time would you have allowed adolf hitler to host the olympics in germany? to that have propaganda coup of dividing the world in a nazi germany and putting on a false front? i'm not saying that russia is nazi germany but i am saying that the russian government is empowering some of the most evil hateful people in the world. >> i love senator graham. we've been close friends for 20 years. but i think he's dead wrong. listen why would we want to punish u.s. athletes who have been training for three years to compete in the olympics over a traitor who can't find a place to call home. >> all right. chuck todd, you know the snowden story to me at this point frames the united states relationship with vladimir putin which has been, you know, it almost -- it's been so clear every step of the way that he's not playing

fair, he's not playing nice, showing up three hours late to meet with the secretary of state. that was purposeful. we keep kind of reporting on these stories and moving on. there's a growing problem here that is very, very, very apparent and clear about our relationship with putin that the snowden story i think just kind of highlights does it not? >> there's a rule in politic, you never punch down you punch up. putin has been trying to punch up the united states for frankly for eight, ten, 12 years now. and the first term i watched this administration, obama, the obama administration essentially ignore putin, only talk about how everything is going swimmingly, don't pay attention to that, that's just rhetoric, there's plenty much good behind-the-scenes. we have good relationship with them. i think everybody's patience is wearing thin. i had chuck schumer on the show

yesterday and he said he understood lindsey graham's call. he wasn't ready to support it but he wasn't ready to rule it out. lindsey graham called for another idea that may be more feasible here which is the united states boycott the g-20, which takes place in st. petersburg, russia. when they say fall travel plans what was on the schedule was two stops with the president before he got to st. petersburg for a g-20 meeting one on one in moscow with putin. it appears the moscow part of the trip has been cancelled. do they cancel the entire trip as a way of snubbing him a little bit, and, you know, i do get a sense that the growing sort of frustration with the putin and the fact that the united states is sort of never reacted, he pokes, he pokes, he pokes and obama has never snapped back. i think this time he might. >> cancelling, steve kornacki, would certainly ratchet up bad

relations but i think it's obvious they are already there. >> to me there's almost this -- important implications that the u.s./russian relationship but a side show aspect to this whole snowden drama. the thing that's worth mentioning while this is playing out there's growing signs there's real bipartisan movement in congress now related to the revelations that snowden -- whatever you think of snowden or his actions or being in moscow right now, a republican from wisconsin yesterday at a hearing said in light of these revelations he doesn't think section 215 of the patriot act will be reauthorized. republicans and democrats are speaking out in ways they haven't before. >> chuck todd thank you very much. we'll see you coming up on "the daily rundown." federal student loan debt tops $1 trillion. what does it mean for graduates and the government. up next from gun violence to

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>> i think the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by zimmerman that he was not at all defending himself. and so forth. it's not a moral question it was a legal question. former president jimmy carter weighing in saying it's difficult for a lot of information say without getting a lot of bad reaction but there's a difference between what the jury was asked to do and what they did and what everyone feels happens.

rick stengall. you look at the impact and historic legacy of this trial. >> our cover is after trayvon. it's an x-ray of a hoodie done by a british photographer. i mean just to pivot off of what president carter said, i do think people should realize that a trial is not the best vehicle for examining the moral and ethical issues that this situation throws in front of us so what we try to do is look at this as an occasion for national soul searching, for this conversation on race that we actually have not had. when president obama was elected everybody said we're going to start resolving these things, we're living in a post-racial age and address these issues and we never had thats in conversation. so we tried to have it in a small way in the magazine this week. we have essays from everybody from philadelphia mayor michael

nutter who says very pointedly, you know, there's been hundred thousand urban murders since 9/11 and we've been focusing on threats from abroad domestically, why shouldn't there be a national marshall plan for young black youths in the cities. it's these kind of issues we're trying to talk about rather than the result of that one particular trial. >> mean it was just so pointed with eugene robinson's comment earlier in the week and apparent to think about that relationship to the sons that you raise and how they should be in public. i think people are not honest enough when they see somebody at night is there a difference between who you see and how you see them. you have to be candid. lot of people are guilty of some sort of profiling. >> the attorney general brought that up in his speech earlier this week, joe, and it's a conversation that we have had ever since, i believe it was tuesday's show on the set in washington when eugene was talking about his column.

all day long that ended up being the touchstone for conversations we would have with people from all background about the difference that exists. >> well, you know, what's so fascinating, rick, we had this conversation on our show tuesday. somebody suggested that we have not made great gains racially over the past 50 years. we actually have made remarkable gains. stunning gains. gains that nobody would have believed 50 years ago. but in the one area of crime, law enforcement, are we still in -- you talk to african-american males, whether they are 18 or 80 and they will tell you that they spent a life being presumed guilty and that's what -- jimmy carter is right. we said at the beginning of the trial the prosecution had a tremendous burden to carry and not surprised at all they didn't

carry. i am, though, depressed by the reaction, the ignorance that i'm hearing from both sides quite frankly from liberal columnists and conservative commentators about the state of race in america and the presumption of guilt for african-american youth. >> we have a column about the talk she calls it, which is a conversation every african-american parent has to have with his or her young teenage son. it's what joe, what you're talking about. we haven't had a candid conversation about it. i do think, as you were saying, i think a lot of columnists and pundits are using this to pivot off and talk about their, you know, historic points of view as opposed to saying what can we do in this situation and talk about these things and make a difference. >> you have joe kline's and make the, michael nutter's take mayor of philadelphia and other stories that you cover.

i love this. so interesting especially if you're raising kids. 0 how learning a second language can produce a more nimbler brain. it makes scene. >> i was looking at it this morning. it's depressing for us who are mono-lingual. our science writer talks it's not that people who are bilingual. >> my niece speaks swedish, english and polish. >> how old is she? >> 4. >> yeah. >> she jumps in and out of the languages seamlessly. she's surrounded by the languages. literally it just happens when children are -- you don't have to send it home to class they

just do it. >> one of the guys says the brain is a language learning machine. and it's particularly nimble and able to do that when you're very young and if you miss that or those early years it gets much harder. >> all right. joe how many languages do you speak? >> uno. so, rick, i don't even speak that one well. rick, why don't we talk about -- let's change jikts and i would thereof hear steve's take on this. we start this show talking about rolling stone's provocative decision go with the cover they went with this week. you're an editor. you have to make those designates. obviously at "time" magazine because of the long history and a lot of other factors you're not going to make as provocative decision as say the editors of rolling stone did.

what is your take? >> i'm wondering -- i don't know, joe. but i'm wonder if they actually thought it was going to be as controversial and as volatile as it has been. i'm not so sure they thought it would have the reaction it has had. and it's kind of curious. again i haven't read the story yet so i think if the story backs up the feeling of the cover that's one thing. if it doesn't that's something else. >> the story is actually very nuanced. they call him a monster on the cover. i agree with you. i think that the editors probably looked at this picture and said oh, my god look at him. this kid could have been a rock star. he looks like our readers. he looks like a lot of the stars that we profile except in this case he's a honor sister, how provocative. i don't think they did it intentionally to shock people. it's not like demi moore naked and pregnant on the cover of the magazine. they were just probably jarred

by that image themselves. >> i suspect, we have a story online that i was reading this morning about the beauty effect where we ascribe kindness and intelligence to people who are more attractive and who have, you know, classic features, and, you know, there's all kinds of scientific evidence of that and i wonder if part of that is either that was persuasive to them to put his image on the cover or if that's distracting us why it's so upsetting. >> it's disturbing. >> so, steve, i guess he studies on good looking people having an easier path through life explains why my life has been a living and breathing hell. what's your take on "rolling stone." >> i'm from massachusetts originally. i heard from a number of people who are outraged over this. i'm sensitive to it and sensitive to what they are saying. at the same time i think what the cover speaks to is how easy it was for him, for his life in america to blend in.

how sort of normal looking he was to most people. that's an integral part of the story. the idea that he does a monstrous thing and therefore we're obligated to only show pictures of him to make him look his most monstrous because we won't be reminded now normal who people knew him thought he was. i read the piece. as joe said it's an excellent piece. it's worth your time. i think this is not glorifying him. >> mika, quickly, it's important, mika, that we also remember what "rolling stones requests has done in the past year, year and a half. they have not been shock jocks, journalistically. when we had the editor on our show, we talked about mcchristal and a couple of hours later he's being summoned to the white

house. i think before people judge this they need to read the article and understand "rolling stone" over the past few years have really ramped it up journalistically and i think that puts more of a perspective on this as well. again, listen, i got so many friends in boston and i certainly understand anybody being offended, i understand anybody thinking hey we shouldn't even publicize this guy much less be acaccused of grand sl glamourizing him. we have a free press and this is what we do. it's jarring because he looks like the kid next door. >> he does. the new cover of "time" magazine is "after trayvon." thanks very much. it looks like another great issue. coming up mayor bloomberg is taking new steps to make new york a healthier city literally. he plans to try to get people on their feet by making them take

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all right. 38 past the hour. we all know mayor michael bloomberg don't want you drinking big sugary sodas. right? you've all stopped? >> i'm not giving up my slurpee. >> especially if you ride an elevator. the mayor rolling out a new initiative for employees to take the stairs. he wants buildings to be designed with open spaces so people would have to walk more during the day. also the bikes in the city. trying to get everybody moving even in the very congested city of new york. >> go ahead. >> the concept is interesting. i'm just very interested to see what the next mayor does. he can't implement that. all these things he's done trying to do what happens when he leaves? >> i also -- look i love this mayor and there's an imperial

quality to this. it goes a point where it's our city and collectively what do we want our city to look and feel like. i don't think the average american wants those bikes there for a whole host of reasons. i get concerned when i have elected officials really pushing their own personal agenda right, wrong or indifferent. you put it to a vote. i think the new yorkers would vote the bikes down. >> use the bike. >> you almost hit me yesterday. i need to get a helmet. it is interesting. i like the bike program. one of those reluctant people. this makes scene. especially since i live far from the subway station. there's a new poll out today. really speaks to some bloomberg fatigue has sit in whether it's bikes or sugary drinks or stairs. the cumulative effect after 12 years has sort of worn down public. if you ask people a poll they think the city is better.

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mcdonald's does this financial planning sheet for employees and it made a lot of buzz because they accounted for a second job basically needing to have 90% of the income, main job was mcdonald's to get by on a monthly budget. >> that was their advice to get a second job. >> not exactly. they laid out a sample budget for people to look at and the intention was to help their employees put together a financial life that works. they did it poorly because their assumptions about how much money people need to spend on particular things were a little bit crazy. >> i think that's the key they were trying to help. basically said you make 1100 bucks a month from mcdonald's, 900 bucks a month from a second job to pay the bills. health care 20 bucks a month when mcdonald's charges them a minimum of 14 weeks. what it said to me minimum wage jobs you can live an upper

mobility even remotely close to middle class life without getting a second job. >> these are the people that are right on the bubble. they have any sort of emergency, they are just done. because they don't have savings. they don't have the ability to dig themselves out. >> how many hours was that mcdonald's -- >> 40. >> so that's a full time job. >> $24,000 a year. >> i'm looking at their profits. they are doing okay. right? >> is the answer then, on a macro scale do you raise the minimum wage? who needs to take on more responsibility? >> i think across the board there needs more responsibility. clearly minimum wage is not working for people. but people who are stuck, essentially, in these minimum wage jobs also need to be asking themselves what can i do to get out of this? do i need to try to go back to school. not necessarily four year

college but trade school is a viable option. community college. >> but they are being told they need a second job for a 70 hour work week and go back to school. in theory this is great. this is a rubic's cube. >> cnn money has a budget for a mcdonald's worker. he's trying to put himself through school. he's in the hole about $1,000. >> student loans didn't double. there's a cap in 2015. is this something that will last and is this good for america? >> we got to look at student tuition rates. this is fine for students who will be taking out debt in the future. but tuition rates have been going up apartment three times the rate of inflation. this is not going to solve the overall problems. students also need to be looking at what's realistic amount to

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beloved constitution? >> i'm no party man. i'm no expansionist either. i don't want cuba. hell, i didn't even want texas. but i do not want our boys dying. and i don't want the constitution dying with 'em. >> wow. that was a scene from the new civil war film "copperhead." here with us now, co-star of the m movie billy campbell. i asked him where he lived and he said, eh, as any actor would. hard to say. fun fact, he once sailed around the world and it took 14 months, correct? >> yes. >> so we'll get to that in a moment. i want to hear about full circle coming to directv which looks amazing. this look, s at, not the civil r on the battlefield, but on the front, with the families. >> copperhead was a pejorative

term used for northern folks who were not for the -- they were for the union but not for the war. >> and that's your character's crisis. >> that's right. >> tell us about your character and what we see in this film and how it separates itself from other civil war films out there. brian is obsessed with them. >> i like the civil war a lot. were there a lot of copperheads? >> there were. it was a broad movement. huge movement. of course within the movement, every kind -- you had copperheads who were -- who didn't give a hoot about slavery. you had those who were very much against slavery but also didn't think the war was the, you know, the tool to end it. so it was -- this is something i didn't really know about, you know, and i grew up in virginia and i'm somewhat of a civil war, you know, buff.

>> obviously war movies in jebl, there's something about the civil war zsh is it just the thought we could be at war with ourselves, obviously what was at stake is not even the right word here, that has a romanticism -- none of the other blood shed of any the other wars have. >> as a civil war buff as you said you were yourself, what did you learn along the way doing this project? >> this particular project, i guess what i learned was that, you know, was again how broad the movement was. i mean, i guess i suspected that there were people, northerners, who were not for the war, but i didn't realize how many there were and how sort of passionately they felt. >> it's an amazing movie. there's also news here, a whole movement in media, it's on directv. the world of broadcast and cable, it's done. this is the model now. it's really fascinating. >> and billy campbell is on the cutting edge.

you also have "full circle" which debuts on directv this fall. tell us about that. i love the concept. >> it's a very interesting concept. it's a mini-series. ten episodes. and all of the stories and characters dovetail from the first episode. and the two characters from the first episode, one of them goes on to the second and a new character comes in. that character goes to the third. a new character comes in. the story's dove tail. and it should be really interesting. >> pretty incredible cast, a wide range as well from kate walsh to ally sheedy. it's a great concept. i bet that will work. that debuts this fall on directv, that's called "full circle." "copperhead" is now available on vod and in theaters tomorrow in new york and los angeles and billy will also be starring of course in the upcoming new

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>> i understand why people are angry that dzhokhar tsarnaev is on the cover of "rolling stone." i mean, we all remember when "men's health" had their controversial cover, "hitler's final solution for belly fat." flew off the shelves. and "cosmo's" 50 ways to make your man say americans must pay with blood for the deaths of muslims abroad. back with us on set, we have donny deutsch, harold ford jr. and mark mckinnon in washington. our lead story this morning, editors at "rolling stone" magazine are now speaking out in defense of their latest cover. it features what some call a

glamorized rock star photo of accused boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev. cvs said, we believe this is the right decision out of respect for the victims. and rigte-aid said the issue is being removed from stores. slamming the issue, writing the magazine's founder, saying, quote, it awards a terrorist with celebrity treatment and reaffirms a terrible message that destruction gains fame from their killers and their causes. saying, part, the cover story falls within the traditions of journalism and "rolling stone's" long-standing commitment.

the fact that tsarnaev is young and in the same age group as many of our readers makes it all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. and this isn't new for "rolling stone." an image of killer charles manson graced the cover in the '70s. what do you think? >> i think like most americans, i wish that people who committed these heinous acts would never be written about, we would never see their pictures, they would never be elevated at all, that they would remain basically locked away for the rest of the time. but we don't live in mr. snowden's russia. we live in the united states of america. and when horrible things happen to us, after 9/11, you remember, everybody went out and bought the koran. it was like the top-selling book

in america for a month or so. because we examine and we look inward. and in that case, we were trying to figure out why they hated us. and we ended up realizing they hated us because we were evil. but that each evil had a specif look. it was osama bin laden. it was foreign. it was exotic. ways so jarring about this cover is this is a kid that's a good looking kid that's a popular kid that looks like a lot of the readers of "rolling stone," and the enmi is now within. the enemy now goes to our colleges. the enemy now looks like our next door neighbor. it becomes a lot more troubling, a lot more disturbing. this is the tradition of "rolling stone." the article is very in depth. if you've read "rolling stone" for more than a week or two you're not shocked by this. i do understand, though, why people in boston are offended. certainly cvs' right and kmart's

right to ban the magazine, but i guess it's just not surprising to me or people who have been reading this magazine for decades now. >> i think it's interesting and a good point to cover, that his looks connect with the fabric of american society. having said that, in terms of selling magazines, my first reaction, reaction of friends of mine, very first reaction was ech. so i'm not sure actually -- >> but that's the reaction they want. >> really? >> i think joe laid it out really, really well. do people have a right to be outraged? being th of course they do. but the very thing that's making them outraged is the very core of it. on first blink, they're giving him rock star status. but of course they're not. on joe's point, what makes this so important, is this is a kid who five, six years ago was a well-liked kid. who could have ended up in a

rock and roll band. and that the terror is within. and that's a discussion that needs to continue to happen. very easy. we move on. two months later. oh, he was a terrorist. which of course he was. but the frightening part of it, he does look like a kid that would end up on the cover of rolling stone. that's both the outrage and that's both what needs to be delved in. >> willie, they also call him a monster. the article's very well researched. i'm not here defending "rolling stone" at all. i'm just saying you put it all in perspective. again, i understand the visceral shock of that cover. but i think that is the shock. to say, hey, he looks like a kid that could be on the cover of "rolling stone." except, oh, wait, he is a monster. it's jarring. >> yeah, you're right, it says "monster" right there on the cover. i'm totally sympathetic to the people in boston. i know how i felt, as you said, joe, after 9/11, anything that

tried to explain away or justify or put into a better light anyone who had anything to do with it infuriated me as someone who grew up in this area. having said that, the peace, the woman who wrote the peace actually tweeted it out last night. it's not going to be posted till friday. she tweeted it out. i read through it. it's exactly what you describe. the lead of the peace is his high school wrestling coach learning the news it was him and saying, what, how could it be him? that's the guy who grew up with my kids. who was the captain of the team. who was a regular kid in the school. so i think that's the connection they're trying to make. >> it becomes an inside conversation in the industry as to what is right and wrong, what is the story, what isn't the story. we could have that discussion for hours and i'm sure they did. the journalists at "rolling stone" are some of the best in the industry. having said that, this has now become a business story. one, two, three, four major retailers have chose be not to sell it. there is a backlash all the time. >> they have us talking about

it. hopefully it will have people examining more and watching more for signs that other kids may behave or could find themselves in a similar predicament. i have not read the story. i probably wouldn't buy "rolling stone" from cvs -- i think joe nailed it. i share joe's view. >> i disagree with joe. i don't agree with the banning. you started out with we're not russia, we're not russia. >> right. >> i think for a cvs or for a walmart to make a decision of what their shoppers should and should not read is the obvious slippery slope. so i endorse every outrage but i, on the one hand, the say way they could argue, oh, it's glorifying it, and maybe it's going to cause a kid to do that. it also may cause a coach or teacher or friend or next door neighbor to look a little harder at a kid they see going the wrong direction. so i always get worried -- >> i think that's a really good point, that this actually puts

americans more on alert. to realize that there's not going to be a 6'4" guy in a turbin walking around, i mean, new york city that they need to be worried about. that now you've got to be vigilant all the time. but, mika, i do think, though, you look at the decision by these businesses, it's probably a very wise business decision. i would guess those of us who are saying what we're saying this morning are probably in the 4% or 5%. >> because of what we do for a living too. >> well, yeah, yeah. right. i think, though, certainly most people in boston would be offended. and i think most americans would think, hey, this is the last thing you want to be doing, is glorifying this kid and sending a message to the next kid sitting in a dorm room who is troubled. hey, i can go out in a blaze of glory, nothing's going well in

my life. my girlfriend just broke up with me. i'm not going to have a job. i hate these americans. i wish my family had kept me where i was. or it could be a domestic terrorist like timothy mcveigh. i'm going to go out in a blaze of glory and who knows maybe like dr. hook i can end up on the cover of "rolling stone." i'm not trying to be glib here. i understand why americans would think that. i actually disagree a bit with donny. i think this may be a good business decision. certainly for them to make. that doesn't mean i think that it's necessarily the right thing to do. >> couple of other headlines to get to. the nra is pushing back against attorney general eric holder who called on states to take a, quote, hard look at "stand your ground" laws that in his words sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods. the nra accusing holder of using the death of trayvon martin to

expand duagun control across th nation. using, quote, tragedies to push their political agenda. my question would be, how else do you address the gun problem in our country unless you look at tragedies caused by gun violence across our country? i don't even know where to begin with this. >> you know, i've been -- of course newtown changed things for me as far as background checks go. i never really, you know, i don't know. the stand your ground laws for me have been separated from the second amendment. i think actually it's the nra that's jumping in here, trying to gain some points with americans. who, again, most americans probably agreed with the jury in florida. and so i don't know. i mean, willie geist, i don't get the connection here. i understand the nra's been a champion of stand your ground laws, but for me it's not the same thing as having the right to keep and bear arms.

the right the second amendment gives you. >> there's pretty strong laws. stand your ground is in something like two dozen states. about half the country they have these laws here. this is a very important issue for the nra. i think you're right, it's their job and their role to jump in a public debate like this and present their side of the case. >> i think the attorney general speech by the way was amazing. let's go to wyoming. newest candidate for the u.s. senate in wyoming is on the campaign trail. liz cheney descended on the state for her first campaign events yesterday in a web video announcing her candidacy. liz cheney did not mention incumbent mike enzi by name but she did call for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. and some saw that as a reference to enzi's age. >> do you think she believes you're too old to be senator? and are you too old to be senator? >> i'm absolutely not too old to be senator. i'd say i'm kind of in the median age for this body. >> that's actually true. >> i'm in really good health.

i'm on the committees i wanted to be on. and i have seniority which is really trust that you develop. >> earlier this week, senator enzi expressed surprise at cheney's candidacy. according to the senator, miss cheney had assured him that if he ran for another term, she would not ender the race. enzi now says obviously that wasn't correct. but from the trail yesterday, liz cheney deflected the claim. >> i think senator enzi may be confused. what happened is i called senator enzi to tell him that i was considering a run. and i have always believed that that decision should be made irrespective of whoever else is in the rate. it's not true. i did not tell senator enzi i wouldn't run if he did. i suppose he's just confused. >> this is what younger politicians do. when i ran, i always talked

abo about, you know, we need a new generation of leadership, we need -- i mean, it's perfect and enzi actually was playing right into what an insurgent candidate wants by saying, i'm experienced, i'm on the committees i need to be on. that's the trap they all fall into. so i think it's actually lining up pretty well for liz cheney. she should probably keep hammering home. we need a new generation leaders up there. that's one of the most effective message, out there. >> no question, mike enzi teed it up by saying -- you look at him, saying he's the median age in the senate, so that's a problem right there. >> yeah, that's a problem, exactly. >> and i'll tell you, liz cheney is going to be a very good candidate. she is -- i worked with her during the bush campaigns. she's smart, she's focused, she's disciplined. you know, she's got a great back story. she got a large family. she's a great mom. and she's a hard worker. i think she's going to be a very effective campaigner.

>> go ahead, harold. >> let me ask you a question. the kind of things about liz cheney. you're the founder of no labels. if she were to be elected, do you think she'd be an ally to you and the organization you co-founded? >> i highly doubt it. >> enzi is a better ally to the things you and i both care about. i don't view her as being additive as any positive way if she were to be elected. >> no, i think that's right. i think the cheneys have a long history of being fairly partisan. i think liz has been part of that, you know, i still think she'll be a strong candidate but to your point -- >> that goes without saying but i just wonder in terms of advancing ideas and advancing new policies, so forth, i'm not convinced that she's not the right sentiment and for that matter the right personality. >> no, i agree with you. i have doubts about whether or not she'd sign up for the no labels problem solvers coalition. we'd certainly welcome her to the party if she'd join us.

>> maybe i'm missing something, guys, before we, you know, laud liz cheney. obviously you've run campaigns. harold, you've run for office. both successfully. it's not a winning strategy to knock the old guy. >> i'm going to go with you on that. because we're all like dancing around that. that looked really mean to me. that looked mean. >> ageist -- >> am i wrong? >> that guy seemed like a very competent, thoughtful and, i mean, that's 101. mark, am i missing something? >> no. i thing that's true. i think they'll be some reaction like that. there's a lot people like wyoming who feel like she's jumping in too soon, you know, that mike enzi's a pretty solid office holder. >> you're not answering my point, she's coming on basically saying you're too old to run and you see confused and that just seems ornery and nasty and to me an immediate turnoff to voters. >> well, she was addressing the

question of whether or not she had actually said whether or not she was going to run against enzi. so they had a disagreement about that. >> he's not telling the right story, the correct story is i did not say that. why do you have to call an older man when you're touting the next generation that needs to be out there, including herself, confused? come on. coming up on "morning joe," what do you get when you mix alcohol, celebrities and games like "charades" and "name that tune?" it's a new show hosted by the hilarious jane lynch. she joins us ahead. dr. nancy snyderman is here with important information about the early warning signs for alzheimer's. why patients may be able to teach their doctors a thing or two. first, bill karins with the forecast. >> yesterday was 78 in miami for a high. while it was 97 in washington, d.c. hasn't made a lot of sense. and look at the map this morning. how often is boston the warmest spot in the country? heat index right now is 91 in

boston, tied there with d.c. at 91. so it's 8:00 a.m. it already feels like 90 degrees outside. today is going to be most likely the hottest day of this heat wave. and potentially one of the hotter days of the summer. we have heat warnings in effect for providence, down to boston, the cape, philadelphia. heat advisory's right through the ohio valley, including almost all of the state of ohio and michigan. so today's forecast, heat wave peaks today coast to coast. 94, chicago. 93, minneapolis. notice there's not many location, left out of the 90-degree heat. maybe a few spots there in the northern plains and new mexico. let's track it. the heat wave, the end is in sight. the hot air will slowly be replaced by some cool canadian air. it starts friday in minneapolis. eventually down to chicago on saturday. and then by the time we get to sunday, is when some of the cool air will arrive in the northeast. unfortunately, along with this

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disease and when they should step in to start treatment. joining us now, nbc news chief medical editor dr. nancy snyderman. >> this is very interesting. really hints to the fact that patients may know even before doctors that their mental acumen is declining. it's something called subjective cognitive decline. >> make this decision for me. >> reporter: at the mayo clinic in rochester, minnesota, 63-year-old architect david cain is healthy and volunteering in a study that could help find a treatment for alzheimer's. by targeting the disease at its earliest stages. >> we give medications to people, improps their memory a little bit, improves their social interaction abilities a bit. it really doesn't alter the long term outcome the disease. >> reporter: to figure out the early warning sign of alzheimer's versus normal memory loss, researchers asked volunteers to report concerns

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events. and didfficulty following the plot of a tv program or book. it's the repetitive nature of those events that should cause someone to worry and perhaps see a doctor. it's not just picking up the car keys and saying, you know, i forgot i put them here, it's look at the car keys and saying, what do these go to? increasingly, those sort of memory jolts really may tell a doctor, yes, you deserve to be scanned and we'll watch. there's nothing great on the market now but everybody is searching for the next great thing in the pharmaceutical industry. so you want to be in those early trials. >> hey, dr. nancy, it's donny. nice to make your acquaintance. >> i miss you. >> i miss you too, darling. er everybody i talk to who has aging parent, 70s, 80s, say the sa same thing, my mom or dad is starting to lose their memory.

obviously, that's just part of aging. between someone going through the natural progression of age versus the early onset of alzheimer's. >> you and i talk about this a lot with our aging parents it the number one factor for dementia is alzheimer's. alzheimer's is the biggest kind of dementia. the number one risk factor. by the time someone's in their 80s or 90s, it's likely it's just normal mental decline. if you suddenly see this in someone who is 65 and otherwise doing well and those little things are chipping away, predominantly, things like not being able to follow a television or movie script very well, those are the little signs that may be premature. 80 to 90, normal. 65 to 70, i would say not. >> so really the number to start at is 65. >> yeah, you know, early 60s to 65. i have a friend who was diagnosed with early onset alzheimer's in her 50s and she made it to her late 60s before

she had to be institutionalized. sometimes people will know in their families they are at risk. i think this is the brave new world of genetic profiling. when you think you have a family history, it is not a bad idea to talk to someone about getting a human genome done. there are speck maific markers alzheimer's. people say there's nothing you can do and that's not true. lifestyle can put off the disease. not leaving the workforce can also put off dementia. >> i'm seen that anecdotically. i'm sure everyone here has one or two stories. >> with everything, working longer, heart disease, i guarantee you, you could make that argument with the onset of every disease. keeping busy. >> i think human beings are meant to be connected and meant to work and meant to have social intercourse and i think that's very important for your heart

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>> legs. >> tentacles. >> spider. >> beard. >> hair. >> mustache? >> yeah! >> it was this, it was this. okay. condiments. >> hellmann's. >> ketchup. >> you guys are terrible at this game! you are awful at this game. sit down. so sorry. >> oh, my god, you're perfect for this, perfect. it is you. that was a clip from nbc's new game show. i love it. "hollywood game night." here with us now, host of "hollywood game night," emmy-winning and golden globe-winning actress jane lynch. my daughter told me i look like sue from "glee."

i said thank you very much. i was dressed to go out running and it was a little cold out. >> the high waisted striped pants. >> it was a little too high. >> that's how i wear 'em. >> didn't have a whistle but i think it was like the whole aura i was carrying. this looks like so much fun. just from watching this clip, i liked watching you. your faces when these people screw up. tell us the concept for those who aren't completely catching on. >> it's like a game night in your friend's house. sean hayes is a good friend of mine and he has wonderful game nights and he decided to put them on television. it's a bunch friends getting together ostensibly in my hollywood mansion. we're sitting on couches and we're drinking booze and we're playing games like "celebrity," our version of "name that tune," put the hairdos of oprah into chronological level. your reference level just needs to be "people" magazine. >> was there anyone who was awesome at it?

>> martin short flouted the rules at every opportunity. >> your first clue is -- could he be any funnier? >> is it me? >> is it martin short? nope. >> was it tough to get them into it? >> no, first of all, we have booze. a little party outside in the back by the pool. but everybody kind of showed up game. if they were a little, you know, especially we have two civilians so they're playing -- >> civilians. >> they're playing the game -- >> two normal people. >> they step right up to it. two normies as we like to call them. >> i'm seeing martin short. who else do we have? >> matthew perry, lisa kudrow from "friends" are in the same first episode. >> she's smart. really smart. >> we have a "friends" reunion in the first episode. we have amy poehler, jasyson

sedakis, tom or in ordarnold, p heaton. everybody has their game face on. there's a lot of cut throat going on. it's a lot of fun. it's really a good time. everybody's getting a little lubricated. having, you know, kind of yelling and screaming. look at everybody out there. see, they're tossing back -- >> that's on camera. >> sean hayes, our executive producer and creator. >> how much fun is this? >> i think we should do that here? >> we shouldn't even get paid but i'm glad we do. sean is a good friend. sean decided to do it. i said, can i host it? i'm on a show on "fox," so they let me -- >> that's how it works. if you want to do something, you say, hey, can i do this? >> it's who you know, it is, it's who you know in this business. >> you get in their face and say, can i do this? >> no, no, i said, i'd like to do this. he said, well, all right then. and that was that. and it was done. >> i'm going to try that.

>> you kind of did that way too early. >> mistimed. >> you were a little self-deprecating. my point is, especially for women, seriously, i love it when i tell people -- tell other people to learn how to do this. i'd be perfect for that. >> and you say it with a certain amount of humility. >> yeah, not too much. >> no, i want to do this. i will do this. >> "hollywood game night" airs on nbc thursdays at 10:00 p.m., 9:00 p.m. central. jane lynch, thank you. good luck with everything. we'll be right back.

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