hearing from trayvon martin's parents for the first time since that not guilty verdict game in for george zimmerman. on the "today" show they told matt lauer they are still in shock. they thought the jury would convict. martin said things would have been different if his son was white. >> obviously any time you have a person that makes an assumption that a person is up to no good, there's some type of profiling here. was he racially profiled i think if trayvon had been white this wouldn't have never happened. >> trayvon's mother also said this verdict sends a message. >> we sit on the victim's seat, so is this the intent for the justice system to have for victims? i mean it's sending a terrible message to other little black and brown boys that you can't walk fast, you can't walk slow. so what do they do?

i mean how do you get home without people knowing for either either assuming you're doing something wrong. trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong. >> what's next. martin's parents say they won't stop fighting and looking at filing a civil suit. we've seen lawmakers begin to offer legislation on everything from rolling back stand your ground to cushing racial profiling. i want to bring in managing editor of msnbc.com and "time" executive editor. by the way "time's" cover story this week is "after trayvon." terrific story and terrific issue this week. thanks to both of you for being here. the prosecution and defense argued repeatedly this case wasn't about race but that's obviously not what trayvon martin's think. and time sort of makes these two views of america, one you have president obama who was elected twice with the largest majority

of minority young voters in history, on the other hand you have black unemployment rate that's doubled as for whites and this is what's shocking, a poll showing a quarter of black men ages 18 to 34 say police have treated them unfairly in just the last 30 days. so do you think this is a call for the president and eric holder who had these experiences to do something, maybe something bold? >> i think what's interesting that we're seeing this time, it may not be the time for the president to do something. this isn't necessarily something in the past. he holds a unique position the first african-american president. in the past when from the oval office he weighted into the national conversation on race it hasn't gone well. what we're seeing different this time is a ground swell from communities, from churches, from people who are saying we're seeing, you know, whatever the intent of the law is we're

seeing it affect black men dispromorgues natudi daytona international speedwdi disproportionately. >> we're seeing protests. we saw them the night of the verdict. seeing them since then like the one yesterday in orlando. i guess the question to your point is, does this die down and go away or does something come of it? >> there's a lot of hope it doesn't die away and something comes out of it. some of the polls we've been seeing also, a majority of black americans believe that race was a factor here and a majority of white americans believe it was not and that's a divide that i think people are hoping can be bridged a little bit through this case and i think that some of the thing we're seeing in the aftermath really could help create that. i think frankly the fact that eric holder has been as out front as he has been on things like coming out against stand your ground gives people a little bit of a feeling like there might be some support up

at the top here for making a difference. >> guess that's part of the equation here. if you are black in america particularly if you are or have been a young black male none of this is surprising to you. i think for a large part of this country, this really has been an educational process hasn't it? >> it has. i think you're seeing it come out in these very personal anecdotal stories. eric holder did a terrify job in his speech of speaking very directly from his experience and saying look if this can happen to me it can certainly happen to people who don't have the privileged position that i have. so i think the mother-in-law stories we hear the more convincing it becomes that the mindset about race in america, as many gains we've made in 50 years since martin luther king talked about his dream there are certain mind sets we have to try to change. >> i want to bring in congressman meeks. good morning.

congressman can you hear me? >> i can hear your fine. >> good morning. we've seen members of the black caucus drafting legislation. i know you have proposals in the works stopping racial profiling in the nation's law enforcement agencies, better training for the nation's neighborhood watch volunteers. you're also a former prosecutor. what do you think needs to happen? what's necessary here? >> well, i think the attorney general really said it all yesterday at the naacp convention that we need to look at all of these stand your ground type legislation which will cause steroids be more trigger happy. and i think that is what resulted in the zimmerman case. so we got to look on a broader scale from a national standpoint at the types of laws like stand your ground and the effect it has on individuals throughout this nation. so i think that's one of the things that we need to look at. it is difficult, you know, when you have states making their individual laws as has taken place in florida.

so, that's why the ag who talked about his own personal experiences and i surely can talk about mine understand the national interest and concerns that one has with laws like stand your ground. >> so, you know, one of the things that i thought that the attorney general talked about so poignantly these families say continue a from addition he thought could have ended when his father had the conversation with him. but the concern that i hear over and over again since this verdict came down from civil rights leaders, from analysts is this. we all thought we had sort of a unanimity of a majority opinion after what happened at newtown and we thought things would change and we haven't seen that change and the conundrum is how you take that energy you see on streets, you're reading in the columns and newspaper and you hear when you go to your local starbucks how do you take that and make change? your optimistic?

>> i am because i have confidence in the american people. we have come a long ways. we still have a long ways to go. i think when you look at individuals trying to change, for example, stopping the individuals from voting in the last election. it was a lot of individuals when the new laws were passed trying prevents people from voting folks were more determined to come out to vote than ever before and i think what's happening now you see people of all races, of all ethnicities and especially young people saying again they will stand up and that will translate in the polls. the best way to change laws and change lawmakers or make lawmakers accountable to what the people want. that's how we got to the '65, '64 voting rights act. we've come a long way. when you look at new york with stop and frisk legislation policies. where there's a court case that's going on there and we're looking at legislation, city council is now moving because it was the people in the streets

who were saying that we want change and we don't want individuals just stopped and frisked in a manner that they have been, we want change. so the legislator, the city council members have heard that and that's why they have put in some new laws to change some of those policies and i think that's what has to happen to make us a more perfect union. >> let me switch gears and talk about the big issue, health care, house voted yesterday to delay not only the employer mandate but the individual mandate and i want to play for you what speaker boehner said. >> to say that well we're going to relax this mandate for a year on american business but we'll don't stick it to individuals and families is strictly and simply unfair to the american people. >> what do you say to speaker boehner, congressman? >> what the speaker and republicans this is the 38th and 39th time we had a vote on the house floor basically to try to drawback or take back the

affordable care act. stop chasing the ghost, mr. speaker. the people have spoken already. when in fact they re-elected president obama just yesterday the "new york times" showed in new york alone that the cost of health insurance will go down 50% because of the affordable care act. this will make health care affordable and more americans that have health care the cheaper it is for all of us, it's something that's historic in nature and i think that what the speaker is just doing is playing politics and it's time for him to stop chasing the ghost. >> on the other side the president will talk about health care in an hour from now. in april a poll found four in ten americans still don't know that the health care law even is the law of the land. do you think that there's been enough education about what's happening? >> well i think we need to get more out there so people, the american people can understand that if they have a child that's under 26 and don't have a job or don't have their own health care

they can stay on they're parents' health care. we need to get out there so american people, a woman can't be discriminated against because she's a woman and have to pay higher insurance. that their pre-existing conditions you can't be denied. no. i don't think enough people -- we need to keep the message out there. the more the message gets out there the more the american people understand how they benefit by the affordable care act and that this is a very big bill, historic in nature. presidents, democrats and republicans tried to get something passed in the past. this president was able to get it through. it's something historians will look at the same way we look at social security and medicare and medicaid, historic bills good for the country, good for people at large. >> congressman meeks, always good to see you. thanks so much. in the president's remarks today we're told he'll focus on how this is going to safe americans

money but on the other hand you have people on the other side like john boehner saying, you know, we're talking about the delay of the employer mandate and that's a bad thing. do you think the president's strategy which is not to talk about that but to focus on money and access is the right strategy here? >> i think the first message on health care had been health care. now the message is affordable. that's clearly what we're seeing even from the statistics. a state like new york that's taking part in the affordable health care act can show that, you know, the savings are enormous, 50% -- >> can we show you that. the front page of the "new york times" today health plan costs for new yorkers set to fall 50%. we're talking going from $1,000 a month to $308 and one of the quotes, it's like going from bergdorf to filene. >> what would stop a red state governor from going ahead.

it's hard to argue to citizens and residents for why they wouldn't want to go with us. >> you still have to convince information buy into this and there was an article in the "the washington post" that said essentially the administration is microtargeting people. if they want to convince young males, minorities, well they are going to go spike tv. they are looking very specifically at how they can go after the people that will most benefit. >> they have experience doing that kind of work from the campaign, of course. this is right. >> they kind of wrote the book in many ways. >> it's not enough to pass the legislation, not enough the supreme court deems it's constitutional you have to sell that hedgeation every day and i think the obama administration has to ramp that up. >> great conversation. thanks to both of you. 45e79th bitt

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won't sell it. kristen dahlgren has more from boston. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the issue doesn't officially hit newsstands until friday but some stores like cvs and walgreen's say they won't carry it at all. that shows how the backlash against "rolling stone" is growing. on the cover of this week's issue the picture of accused boston bomber tsarnaev. it's a picture from his twitter profile same picture used on the "new york times." the issue is the kolg of "rolling stone" is usually reserved for rock superstars and they have a real problem saying he's getting rock star treatment. they compare to it a 1981 cover image of jim morrison, rock royalty. a lot of people especially here in boston where the bombing happening very upset with "rolling stone." the managing editor defended the magazine's decision pointing out he's the same age as many of its readers and say the cover

doesn't glorify what he did. how a promising young student became a monster. a lot of people not buying it. they say he should not be on the cover, boycott "rolling stone" has been trending on twitter. a lot of people say they won't buy it. if controversy sells a lot of people talking about this, chris. >> kristen dahlgren. thank you. joining me now is richard donohue the officer who was shot in a standoff with the tsarnaev brothers. richard, good morning and thanks for joining us. >> good morning, chris. thank you. >> first let me get an update on how you're doing, how are you recovery is going? >> slow but well. every day i get a little bit stronger, have a little bit less pain. just being patient and optimistic and every day gets better. just looking for that goal at

the end. >> there have been so many people who have reacted in such a negative way. and one of the victims fiancee called it disgusting and also said it's an insult to the families and people impacted that day. what's your gut reaction? >> you know, they could have gone with the classier cover or somebody else. you know, i realize the importance of journalism in covering, you know, this person's story. but, you know, to see the safe portrayed in that way, you know, it will deeply affect the people that were impacted the most by, you know, the events that happened in april. >> is the objection, you think, just then to the to and the way it looks and not so much the information that's in it? because as you know "rolling stone"'s argument is they think this is information. for at that lot of folks when they look at this picture it

looks like somebody who could live next door to them and they wanted to delve deeper as someone who looks so normal can as alleged turn into a monster. >> sure. you know the objection is definitely to the photo. i think, you know, i read the story myself last night or they're morning as well. and, you know, the objection is to the cover. covering the story is all well and good. it's something that should be talked about. but they could have picked a better cover that's not going to be, you know, as sensational and offensive to many people. >> let me ask you finally because i'm sure you know a lot of stores have decided not sell this magazine because of the objections, particularly, of the families in boston. do you want people to not buy "rolling stone"? >> well, you know, we live in america and that's a choice we can make opinion i'll let everybody make their own

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probe saying republicans now have evidence that the irs chief counsel and obama appointee was directly involved in the targeting of conservative groups. i want to bring in our republican strategist and senior vice president and co-founder of the think tank third way. good to see got of you. elijah cummings called the allegations by darrell issa quote askewed account based on incomplete and cherry picked information and says it disregards evidence that contradict's issa's narrative. does he have a point? >> these groups were targeted back in 2010. think about that. 500 groups approximately. and this went on, we've had two elections pass. this has gone on for four quarters. and i think that darrell issa is doing the right thing. they were mainly targeting republican based groups and they were saying, well did the white house say something this is a

low level employee that's gone rogue or whatever? not so much. now we know that we're digging deeper and this does have ties to the white house. now i'm not saying that the white house is doing it. i'm just saying that it's not a lot higher than we knew before when they came out and said it's a low level employee that's gone rogue. >> what do we really know? do we know that something wrong was done here and don't we know for sure that it was both conservative and liberal groups even if what i just said, and i assume you'll make that argument, matt, are the republicans winning the pr war? are they convincing the american people that something was not right here? >> look it's easier to win a pr war when you're the chairman and hold the gavel. i think what's come out since has been very clear which is as the democrats on the committee have begun to discover and as what was written in the daily differentiate today there's nothing to this.

there's no scandal whatsoever. they were looking at groups on both the right and the left and the reason they were doing that is if you look at some of the mission statements for some of these groups they state we're here to elect conservatives. that isn't an appropriate mugs statement for a c 4. it's like strolling into an airport with a bandolier of extra bullets and wondering why you're getting scrutiny. >> 100% of tea party folks were investigated. they said it was maybe 15, 25, 30% of the occupy tag or progressive, you know. so i do think that the republicans have a right to really go full force at this because we were tar get. are we winning the pr war on this, yes. who really likes the irs. i remember looking on twitter and i woke up when the irs was trending, i just want to go back to bed. >> was this really in the end the question was it political. these are these 5013 c groups.

in the end don't we want to know if people are getting tax breaks legitimately or people to follow rules to get a certain designation don't we want to know that? >> this is not a scandal and it's not political. it may be inappropriate. certainly clumsy. but if you look at the facts what's clear is that these folks which by the way this office was totally overwhelmed, a microsoft applications coming in from all these groups and they were trying to sort them and they were using a system that in retrospect was a bad idea but wasn't completely illeg lly ill. a lot of these groups didn't clear the bar for the irs. >> it's interesting in our meeting this morning we were getting the suggestion because americans, all americans continue to follow it as closely as we do but darrell issa is a name that's starting to become known and i wonder if at some

point you overstep and you start to hurt your credibility an people see you as the no, no, no guy or has it raised his profile? >> no. i think a, are they going see him as the no, no, guy. yeah. but what a better deal to go up against than the irs. this is a huge deal. this is a huge scandal. this should scare every american. they went above and beyond and forget it was just our side the tea party side the republican side. who knows how many other investigations are going to lead from this thing that started. i think it's one of the worst scandals that's gone on. >> matt is this a win-win for darrell issa? >> i don't think. darrell issa is entering into dangerous waters. one of his predecessors was investigating the death of vince foster. he went in his backyard and shot a pumpkin to prove vince foster

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figure out how they feel about it. >> you put spitzer in the room. he's dealing with numbers. i'm happy. anthony weiner, who knows. i don't know. i think he's a little bit risky as, you know, as mayor and, you know, probably perm thinking that's a big out there job where comptroller is very, you know, no one doubted that spitzer is not intelligent, he's really smart and a good numbers guy. why wouldn't that work is this >> one of the arguments that's made and i'm curious about what your readers think because certainly from my girlfriends got a lot of feedback when the decision was made by both of them for them to go back and whether their wives should stay with them. does a lack of judgment in your personal life necessarily translate to me being suspicious as a voter of your judgment in your professional life? what do your readers think or is this something people think about. >> the role of political life in

this day and age with these women with big careers is such a paradox. people have been talking about them whether they should stand by their man and the fact these women have big jobs. they both have children. uma was asked if she was making a lot of campaign appearance. she said i don't know i want to be supportive of my husband. i have a big career and a 20-month-old child. >> the other thing that's interesting about this is that they are very different. uma made a decision, there's a picture of them in their kitchen with the baby, the whole nine yards. the "new york times" reported this week that elliott spitzer's wife is living 18 blocks away from him, they are spending time in their country home. the conventional wisdom was let's go back to the clinton era

scandal that if a lot of people would take their accuse from the wife and that what the wife had to say if i can forgive him so can you. has hat changed? >> that's out there. uma in that respect, one of the things i looked at with hilary when she was running for president you really wonder would she have won had she not stood by her man. there was a big group of people who said you really didn't show the guts you should have kicked him to the curb and walked out and then she would have been free to run her own thing. uma schooled much by hilary, you're seeing the same kind of response which is kind of okay stand by your man, you know, we'll see what happens. also his foible was much smaller. i think you can but there's a risk to you. and i think also they are a little bit generations. silda was never a flashy out there, always a supportive, much more traditional wife than uma. she was flying around the world and her husband was at home.

so quite a different respect in that way. >> we're also seeing a different but not a significant enough one, i think, most of us would agree in the number of women who are serving in high political office and there was a top democratic operative who said on msnbc earlier this week, uma long before she was a household name had a reputation in the democratic party, incredibly smart. not only has a future herself bust raised the question why was she not the one who was running. why is she not the one who came into the forefront. in guess you could make the argument that women are too smart at this point in time with all the animosity in it. will people take the lead and maybe the husbands will be doing other things? >> we're seeing that across not just in politics but in business, in across the private-sector.

i certainly think we'll have a woman president if not in this election in the near future. >> think women and men get into politics for different reasons and i think that's use see when you look at the long list of men who got in trouble in politics like this and come out to redeem themselves. these men from clinton on down there's some hole inside them. they want to be adored. they want to be loved. not just by women but by the populace in general. women don't get into politics for that reason. they want to change things. they want to make a better world. they want to change the world. they are not getting there to meet guys. it's a whole different thing. they don't get into trouble. >> let that be the last word. always great to see you. thank you so much. today's tweet of the day comes from senator bob menendez. happy 95th birthday nelson mandela. let's follow his lead and promote freedom, equality and justice today and every day.

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an attorney for a group of prisoners leading a hunger strike in california tells the "l.a. times" 14 of those inmates have been moved to more isolated headquarters. their access to broadcast news cut off and their legal papers have been seized. the statewide prisoner hunger strike began 11 days ago over protest over soldier solitary confinement conditions. a new weather jones article is giving a firsthand account of what solitary confinement looks like in california. i want to bring in the author who was one of three american hikers imprisoned in iron after being apprehended on the iraqi border in 2009. good morning. >> good morning. >> the title of your piece is "solitary in iron nearly broke me then i went inside america's prisons." you were in iron for nearly 26 months? is it really worse in california? >> i mean, you know, i wouldn't say in general that california prisons are worse than iranian

prisons. iranian prisons people are tortured. when you look at solitary confinement i would definitely say the situation in california is more extreme. the cells are smaller than those in iran. there's no windows. in iran i know of nobody being in solitary confinement for more than two years which is an extremely long period of time but in california in pelican state base prison the average time is 7 1/2 years. people have been there 10, 20 years. 80 people have been in there for 20 years. one man has been in solitary confinement for 42 years. >> it's almost unfathomable. you shot a video to accompany the article end i just want to play a little clip from that. >> these prisoners are criminals. i was a hostage. but a part of me relates to them. their desperate words sounds like the ones ricochetted through my head. >> any time solitary is enough

time to break a human being. >> tell me about the part of you, shane, that want relates to these prisoners. what is about it their situation that you felt compelled enough to write about this? >> i know we shared an experience. our reason for being there is different, but, you know, we had both -- we all spent time in a cell alone and that's something that nobody really can connect to that hasn't experienced that. and, you know, in california, you know, it's hard for me even when i tell these inmates, corresponding with them i only spent four months in this situation. it's hard for me to really understand where you're at least but at least i have a window. >> the problem for folks like you who care about this issue for prisoner advocates is that there obviously is a general per semgs or widespread perception these are criminals, so, you know, it's hard to get people to feel sympathetic to them.

an op-ed said why should you be concerned about inhumane conditions of prolonged solitary confinement with all the social, emotional and mental deteration that it entails? well every year men from california's pelican bay and other supermax prisons around the nation are released directly from the vacuum of their cells in to free society to live and work among you and your loved ones. >> i think, you know, in this country we're concerned about issues of due process and what's important for people to understand in california people are getting placed in solitary confinement for indefinite terms. this isn't necessarily because -- it's not because of their original crime, it's not even they got into a fight or stabbed somebody or something like that in prison. a lot of the people that are in there are in there for what's called gang validation. the evidence that's used to put them in can be possession of

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first hearing tloond mark vote rights. third, one that could get fiery the inspector again ralg of the treasury department is going back before a house committee. he's expected to get a grilling from democrats over investigation of the irs. did he sweep evidence of progressives being targeted under the rug. we're watching all that four. hello i'm richard lui in for thomas roberts. we'll get to those events. we begin with trayvon martin's parents. they talk with nbc's matt lauer on the "today" show about the reaction the verdict, the legal system and whether they could forgive the man who shot and killed their son. >> still shocked. still in disbelief. we felt in our hearts that we were going to get a conviction. >> do you understand how they might have found reasonable doubt? >> don't understand if they were looking at it from trayvon's point of view because he was a teenager. he was sc