loss done to the families of the person killed there is nothing colder than to pretend that the purpose of the law, the emotions of a jury, for example, should only be swayed by the punishment facing the accused. the jury should also see before it in the courtroom the price incurred by the crime, the horror inflicted on the victim, as seen in the eyes of the family this close to the victim. i know this isn't a popular notion, or hadn't been before this trial of george zimmerman, but perhaps now seeing the martins, and hearing their grief, we have a stronger sense that when it comes especially to this sentencing, the scales of justice must be weighed for the victim as well as for the defendant. just a thought. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being was. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. nearly 17 months ago on a rainy night in sanford, florida 17-year-old trayvon martin was shot and killed. five days ago, george zimmerman was found not guilty in his

death. since then, we've seen a huge reaction, protests around the country, calls for a boycott of florida, a new debate on race and guns, even a statement from the president of the united states. but there are two people we haven't heard much from, trayvon's parents, sybrina fulton and tracy martin. tonight they're here. and for the next hour, we'll talk about their reaction to the verdict, the jury, what is next for them, and of course we'll talk about the young man they called tray. tonight on "politicsnation," trayvon martin's parents after the verdict. >> state of florida versus george zimmerman verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. so say we all. ♪

>> sybrina fulton, tracy martin, and their attorney benjamin crump, first, thank you all for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> it has been five days since the verdict. first of all, how are you all doing? >> one day at a time, one day at a time. >> you -- what have you been doing the last five days recovering from this, reacting to this, getting yourself stronger? what is the last five days been like? >> most of the time i slept or i tried to sleep. a lot of praying. you know, i just didn't want to get in touch with family. they were texting me. they were calling me. but i just wanted my own time, my own time with god, my own time with myself, just to get myself together, get my mind together, get my thoughts together. >> what about you, tracy? >> basically, the last five days just been trying to get my composure, trying to get myself

together, because i know i have to be strong, not only for my family, but there are countless families out there, young men and young women that are counting on us to be strong. >> you know, last saturday when the verdict came in i was in midtown manhattan when we heard and rushed to the studio. the one thing i noticed, y'all were not in the courtroom. every day y'all were there. did you purposely not come? did you feel that the verdict was going to be a not guilty verdict and you didn't want to be there? why weren't you all in the courtroom? >> i think it was more about our actions. we were told, you know, by the court system that there could be no loud outbursts, no reactions, no emotions. that coupled with our attorney's advice that it wasn't a good idea for us to be there, because we probably couldn't contain our emotions either way. so we decided, we talked about it, and we decided that it

wasn't a good idea for us to go. so that was just the only day we missed, and, you know, i'm glad we did. >> how did you react? >> man, i broke down. because i was in disbelief. i just didn't -- i couldn't understand why the jury came back with the verdict that they did. i felt as though there were a substantial amount of evidence to convict him of second-degree murder. >> disbelief. i mean, when i heard them say not guilty, i thought it was too counts. i was waiting on the second count, and then it was just over like that. it was kind of stunning. >> shocking, right. >> all right, shocking. how is javaris doing? >> he watches us. he pays attention to what we say, what we do, and how we act, react.

he is doing well. he is coming along. he is taking one day at a time. he is remaining prayerful. and, you know, he is surrounded by family and friends. >> did you watch the attorneys after the verdict, their press statements, the defense attorneys when they held a press conference? >> yes. >> what was your reaction to what they had to say? >> i didn't -- i haven't watched any of the press releases. i just couldn't get myself in front of the tv to see what they had to say. i just felt that as a father, who had lost his child, i felt that his life had been made a mockery of. so i couldn't just stand in front of the tv and watch them parade, so to speak, on national television. >> why do you feel that trayvon's life was a mockery of? >> i just didn't feel as though they -- the jurors, not all of

the sanford police, but some of the sanford police department didn't take this serious at all. and i just, as i said, i just didn't feel that his life value meant anything to them. >> sybrina, you said you saw some of it. what was your reaction to the press conference by the defense attorneys? >> i -- let me just go back. as i said in the courtroom, it just seemed to me as though trayvon was on trial. and this trial was not about trayvon. this trial was about george zimmerman and what he did that night. but it just constantly seemed to me like they were trying to just bring things up that trayvon had done. i mean, who hasn't done things as a 17-year-old, you know? so i think they put more responsibility on the child, trayvon, and not the adult, george zimmerman. so the comments that they made

was based on that. the comments were to me some of the comments were just distasteful, you know. you can tell me you're sorry for my loss and then stabbing me in the back at the same time. so i understand that. i understand what, you know, the concept in everything that was going on. >> did -- when you say that all of that stabbing in the back, trying trayvon rather than zimmerman, do you think it was a fair trial? >> i think the state of florida did their best. i think angela corey's office did their best to try to get a conviction. i don't know about the jury, i don't know about the defense. i think the judge was fair in our rulings of the different motions. but it just seemed it like -- when the verdict came, it seemed like wow, you can get away with

murder. so now our kids are targets, you know. and it's a scary feeling. how are we going to reassure them to feel safe walking down the street going home, minding their own business with a drink and some candy? >> tracy, we rallied and said we wanted a trial. we got a trial. was it fair? >> i feel the state did all they could do. of course, coming from me as a father who lost his child, i just think that the system wasn't fair. the statutes, the laws in florida, i just didn't feel that they applied to trayvon as equal as they did to george zimmerman. i just think there were too many loopholes, too much were blaming trayvon for his own death. how can you blame a 17-year-old child for his own death? he could have avoided his own death by simply going home.

and george zimmerman said himself to the dispatch on the 911 calls, he didn't want to give his address out because he didn't want people to know where he lived at. so why would trayvon go straight home after being chased by somebody? >> you know, juror b37 gave an interview, and she said this. it seemed like she said a lot of what you just said like trayvon was responsible. watch this statement. she made and tell me your reaction as parents. >> i believe he played a huge role in his death. he could have -- when george confronted him and he could have walked away and gone home. he didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight. >> he played a huge role. he could have gone home. how do you listen to that as a mother and feel?

>> if somebody is following me in their vehicle, and then they follow me on foot, i'm not going home, because i don't want that person to know where i live, for one. and then i don't want that person to harm anybody that may be in my house. so just common sense tells you that i wouldn't go directly home if somebody was chasing me or if somebody was pursuing me or following me. i'm not going home, because then you know where i live. i think the statement shows that there was definitely a disconnect with the jury. they did not see themselves as trayvon being their son, because had they, you know, just took a moment to look in our eyes and to sit in our seat and just walk in our shoes, they would have understood that trayvon was minding his own business. he was not a burglar. he was not doing anything wrong. and some of that information

came out that he had candy and a drink. if you're going toe burglarize somebody's house, you'll have burglary tools. >> right. >> you wouldn't be on the phone with somebody at the time that you're getting ready to commit this crime. >> do you think, tracy, that these jurors understood trayvon, could relate to trayvon? they had a kind of kinship with trayvon? >> i don't think they could connect with him in the sense they're not looking through the eyes of an african-american parent. they don't know what it's like to be an african-american parent. they don't know all of the trials and tribulations. i think the disconnect was maybe they have kids, and they never figured that their kids would ever have to be put in that position, where we on the other hand, we understand that society is cruel. and i just don't think that they saw it coming from our

perspective. >> now, there was a report that the jury was split. three voted guilty initially, then two voted manslaughter, one voted second-degree murder. then they kind of swayed them over. how did you react when you heard there was initially a split in the vote? >> i just didn't -- i couldn't understand how can you come from three people feeling that he was guilty of manslaughter to all six people feeling that he was innocent? that's the part that i'm having trouble grasping, because that showed me that there was -- there was thought in their mind that he was guilty. and how you go from second degree to not guilty at all, that troubles me. that baffles me. i have no idea how they got to

that. >> if s there something prosecutor could have done, attorney crump, that could have helped keep this going in at least the people that were already on the jury? one is saying murder 2. did the prosecution fail? >> i know attorney parks and i talked about this a lot and attorney jackson, my legal team. as sybrina said, we thank ms. corey for bringing the charges, because many of the prosecutors in the state of florida would not have brought the charges no matter how much evidence they had. and certainly lawyers have different strategies and different styles. one of the strategies attorney parks and i employ always is to empower the jury to say your vote today in this courtroom is more important than your vote when you go vote in a presidential election. you go back there and you hold on to your vote. you don't let people sway you from your vote. your vote will count more today than it will in any presidential election.

six votes in that jury, and that's what it was. and one vote counted all the world to tracy and sybrina if they just would have hold on to their vote and not gave in on their vote. and that's tant an important thing to tell a jury. we always tell the jury that you got to make your vote count. >> and the prosecution didn't say that? >> it's a different style. we know that's our style to make sure we empower the jury. >> you know, when we hear this juror that basically had done the interviews, basically took george zimmerman's view, felt that he was -- let me play you something that clearly says that she kind of bought into whatever zimmerman's story was. >> i think george zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place. i think pretty much it happened the way george said it happened. george had a way to protect himself at that point. i have no doubt that george feared for his life.

>> how do you feel when you feel her say his heart was in the right place. she had no doubt he feared for his life? >> it just made me think she had made up her mind before she had heard the evidence, before the trial started, and before she was even selected. she had already made up her mind. because she calls him by his first name, george. she says george this and george that. so she had already made up her mind. that's the sad part about it. >> tracy? >> yeah, i feel the same way. i feel that the intent from the outset from this juror was tainted. she had her own intentions to get as juror. and her mind was made up before she was even selected. well, reverend sharpton, i think we normally don't talk about jurors and their deliberations. however, she came forward and volunteered. so that makes it, you know, where we can talk about it. and there were so many troubling things that she said in that

interview. for instance, when they said do you feel sympathy for trayvon martin and she said i feel sympathy for both of them. hold on. you're equating a deceased child and the person that killed him on the same level? and furthermore, as sybrina said, it was george, and it was george, and it was almost nothing was entree von's perspective. it was not from the perspective of a kid who was running away. and as sybrina and tracy said, they couldn't imagine that this would be their child who was in this terrible situation, this scary situation, running from a stranger you didn't know. and that's who we see when we think about trayvon. every african-american parent, every parent who says i want to be compassionate to a child you think that could be my child. >> i'm going to ask you to stay with me. coming up, more of our conversation, including what it was like inside the courtroom.

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back now with trayvon martin's parents and their attorney benjamin crump. there has been since the verdict outpouring all over the country, thousands of people out marching. how have you responded? how has that made you feel? >> it's helping to know that we have supporters. it's helping to know that we have people standing with us, that is praying with us.

they're supporting us. and they can definitely see some of the trials and tribulations that we are going through. because just like us, a lot of people are experiencing the same thing. >> and we'll talk about that later, because we're always going to be a part of a prayer vigil saturday. but let me take you back to the courtroom. no one has really talked with you publicly how it was to sit in the courtroom. you're sitting in there every day, looking at george zimmerman. did you ever make eye contact with him? was there any kind of point where you and he, either one of you crossed at least in terms of eye contact? >> i tried not to make eye contact with him because it was just hard sitting in the courtroom, five, six, seven feet away from the individual that took my son's life. that in itself was just a lot to bear.

and as a father, you have thoughts of what am i going to do? what do i want to do? and then at the end of the day i sat back and said to myself it was bigger than what we were doing sitting right there in the courtroom, that everything that we hadid up until that point would have been for nothing had i allowed outbursts or whatever. and when i wanted to look up at him, i just thought about trayvon and what i would be destroying had i reacted. >> you know, sybrina, you always talk about faith and your spiritual life. but how much was your spiritual life tested sitting in there every day with zimmerman sitting there, hearing the 911 tapes or what you said was your son

screaming. how did that feel and how did that test your spirit and your endurance? >> it tested my spirit by me just remaining at peace while i was sitting there. so i was in the wilderness, but i was still at peace with myself because god was talking to me at the same time. and he told me just be still. just be still. hold your head up high, and that's what i did. i was obedient to god's word, and i understood that this wasn't just about trayvon. i was representing a whole group of people, a whole -- i can't say a nation, but a community i was representing. so it was important for me to be obedient to god and listen to what he said. and every day when i walked in that courtroom, i have an aunt who was texting me at home. and she would say plead the blood of jesus over the courtroom. that's what i did every single day. >> let me play you one of the defense attorneys, what he had to say.

>> you certainly hope as a mom, you certainly hope that your son trayvon martin would not have done anything that would have led to his own death, correct? >> what i hope for is that this would have never happened and he would still be here. that's my hope. >> mark o'mara in cross examining you inferred that it was trayvon and maybe it was not him. what was going through your head when he was asked you this? and do you think his cross-examination to you was respectful and fair or did you feel he was knotts keeping in mind that this is your son that had been lost? >> he remained professional, but at the same time the little underhanded things i just seen right now. how could you say that my son did something to lead to his own death? i didn't believe that, and i didn't want him to put words into my mouth.

you asked the question, and let me answer it. but i just didn't want him to put words into my mouth. and i understood what he was saying. the other thing is as a witness, that was, you know, the first time i'd been a witness in a case. and it was just very difficult because i had no clue what he was going to ask. so it was hard for me to try to stay focused on what i was, you know, to answer the questions. and also just keep my mind focused on what was going on in the courtroom. >> tracy, you will understand as well, and do you feel they were respectful? because the defense called you. how do you feel that went? >> i felt they went good for me. because i had no reason to get up on the stand and lie. but i did have the right to get up on the stand and contradict what detective serino and devisinghle on the said.

and i felt as though what they said was untrue. and i felt that i had to get on the stand. i wanted to get on the stand to tell them what i did say. >> now, i'm going to play this for you that a lot of people mention to me all the time. george zimmerman did an interview with sean hannity, and this is what he said when hannity asked him about regrets about what happened that night. with trayvon. >> is there anything you regret? do you regret getting out of the car to follow trayvon that night? >> no, sir. >> do you regret that you had a gun that night? >> no, sir. >> do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you didn't have that gun? >> no, sir. >> you feel you would not be here? >> i feel that it was all god's plan. and for me to second guess it or judge it -- >> is there anything you might

do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit? >> no, sir. >> as a mother and father, no regrets for anything, wouldn't do anything differently. thought it was all god's plan. i mean, how do you look at that and feel? >> i look at that and say what god is he serving, because the god that i serve would not have that type of plan. and for him to apologize to us and then in another segment or another show say he has no regrets, i think that's disgusting. >> tracy? >> i feel he has no respect for human life. it's a total disrespect for human life to say that you would, if you had a chance, you wouldn't do anything differently. that right there shows the mentality of someone who is very unstable. because, i mean, it's just no regard for human life there.

>> you know, both you have left the courtroom at some point when the 911 tapes were played. i'm imagining, i don't want to put words in your mouth, that was very painful, the tapes, the autopsy photos were shown, photos of trayvon that night. these were very emotional and trying periods for you, times during the trial? >> yes. they were very difficult for me to watch, to see my son laying on the ground, to see my son at the medical examiner's, just to not see my son smiling and happy and alive, you know. it bothered me a great deal. and when i felt that i could not sit in the courtroom and listen to it, we did have a little room. we went into in that room. in that room, i just took some time out. just so that i wasn't so connected to every single thing

that was going on. but it helped me a great deal. and i couldn't take everything. >> tracy? >> just to see the lifeless body of an individual we knew was full of life, full of energy. just to see him laying on the medical examiner's table. it was disturbing. it was hurtful. it is something that -- those are photos that you really don't want to look at. but at the same time, you want to see what this monster in fact did -- i wanted to see what this monster did to my son. >> that's the part of the trial that many people probably never thought about, the parents. please stay with me. when we come back, trayvon martin's parents on rachel jeantel and her testimony. and their views on george zimmerman not testifying. stay with us. discover card.

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attorney, benjamin crump. i want to talk for a moment about rachel jeantel. she was trayvon's friend, and she was a key witness in this case, the last person to speak with him. sybrina, what was going through your mind as you watched her testify? >> i was just so glad that she did agree to it. i just think back to when we first found out about her, and we did contact her, and i met up with her. it was just -- it was just a very emotional meeting. and i begged her. i pleaded with her. and she did not want anybody to know who she was. and that was the reason why she gave me a different name, because that was the nickname that she used. but i just begged her and i told her, just tell what happened. tell the truth. just do this for your friend. just do this for trayvon. and it was a very emotional meeting. so seeing her again on the

stand, i can appreciate her. i appreciate her for standing out, for standing up, because some people who have just said well, i don't remember, i don't know. and she could have done that. but instead, she said let me just tell what happened. let me just tell that i was on the phone with him and exactly what i heard. and i appreciate her for that. >> and she really, tracy, got into it with the defense. let me show you her and don west getting into it a little. >> are you claiming in any way that you don't understand english? >> i understand you. i understand you. i don't understand english, my question is when someone speaks to you in english, do you believe that you have any difficulty understanding it because it wasn't your first language? >> i understand english really well. >> are you okay this morning? >> yeah. >> you seem so different from

yesterday. i'm just checking. did someone -- >> is that a question? >> yes. >> did someone talk with you last night about your demeanor in court yesterday? >> no, i went to sleep. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he had to. >> you don't know that trayvon didn't at that moment take his fists and drive it into george zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> tracy, she told us on "politicsnation" she felt he was disrespecting her, talking about english and all, because she had actually been interviewed by him a couple of times before, she testified, and none of this came up. >> i thought it was very disrespectful to her and her family as well. i thought it was witness badgering. you had to remember this is a young lady who was the last person that talked to -- one of the persons she considered her best friend. she gave accolades to trayvon.

trayvon was that friend that never belittled her, that never talked to her. and for don west to get her on stage like that and try to belittle her and disrespect her, i thought it was very distasteful. >> reverend sharpton, i think when you look at all her testimony, it's very consistent. and legally, her testimony, had there been a conviction, her testimony made it legally sufficient, because it was very consistent. the 911 operate, when they're talking to trayvon's killer say he is running away. >> rachel says he is running away. and they are both on the phone at the same time. >> now, they talk about some big conspiracy. the phone records don't lie. he say trayvon is running away. and it just flies in the face of common sense that somebody who is running away from you moments before is going to try to attack

you. it's more akin to trayvon was trying to defend himself. and that's what her testimony was consistent with that. and lastly, i think what tracy said was so true. and it really got at your heart. she said trayvon never made fun of her about her complexion or her weight. and don't we all want our children to be like that, don't go with the crowd and try to make fun of people, but to be compassionate and say i see you for who you are, rachel. >> now zimmerman didn't testify, sybrina. how did you respond when you found when the defense got ready to rest and you were not going to hear zimmerman get on the stand and tell his story? >> well, i just thought that he would. if you're saying that you are defending yourself and this is a self-defense claim, then why didn't people hear from you? why didn't people hear what he had to say about his accounts of what happened?

you know. and the prosecution wasn't given a chance to cross-examine him, to ask him any questions specifically or in detail about that night. >> now, in an interview, tracy, his mother was asked what she would say to you as parents. and she said this. listen. >> we are deeply sorry for this tragedy, deeply sorry. and we pray for trayvon martin. >> how do you feel about her saying that? >> i'm not concerned right now. i'm not concerned in myself with what they're saying. we're more focusing ourselves on our family and how our family feels and how we can heal our family and how we can start healing our friends. in time, time will heal all wounds. but right now that wound is still open.

it's still very fresh. so we're more focused on what our family thoughts and prayers are. >> let me ask you before we go to break. when you think about the trial and you think about the interviews that you went through, both on the stand and the interviews of the parents of george zimmerman, the fact is that you, no matter what had happened, would not have got your son back. so the calls for you now is what? what is it that you are trying to achieve in the name of your son? >> in the name of trayvon martin, we're trying to achieve -- we're trying to make sure that this is prevented. that kids feel safe and this does not happen to somebody else's teenager or somebody else's child, and somebody else gets away with murder. we want to make sure that these laws are changed. well want to make sure that people are listening to what

happened during the trial, and even now. and we make positive change. >> and i think you formed a foundation trying to go work. explain what you and sybrina are doing. >> we founded the trayvon martin foundation. and we're trying to create an atmosphere where we can give scholarships, we can mentor children, we can advocate for senseless crimes, we can get out and try to make amendments on some of the laws. we're trying to implement the trayvon martin bill. it's a lot of things that we have out there in place that we're working on. and it's not just for the black communities, it's for people with just decency in themselves. and we want to -- we want to

make sure that trayvon's legacy stays here and not just after this trial. we want to make sure this is ongoing thing. >> i want to talk about that. from the president to stevie wonder to bruce springsteen, the power of the trayvon martin story. that's next. [ brent ] now steve's looking pretty good so far. [ herbie ] eh, hold on brent, what's this? mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder. one last play... no, game over!

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george zimmerman was the one who faced charges in florida, but it seemed to many people that trayvon martin was the one put on trial. the defense tried to define trayvon martin in a certain way. they wanted to make him seem like a thug, like a guy interested in fighting. drugs, even guns. and for all the talk we have heard in this country about this case, most americans don't know trayvon at all. we're back with trayvon's parents and their family attorney. tracy, you have said trayvon was your friend. what was it like hearing all those negative things about your son? >> it was very disheartening, reverend, because i -- the trayvon that we know and love was not what they were portraying him to be. we knew and loved the trayvon that loved his little cousins. he used to make breakfast and

cupcakes for his little cousins. he used to go to chuck e. cheese with his little cousins. i think younger kids, he was that person to be around them. he was -- i liked to call him my best friend because he saved my life. and that is something that i won't -- i refuse to let anyone take away from me, trying to sort of stain his life. he was -- he was a kid of kids. he was just -- he was my son, man. and he is sadly missed. >> you say he was your son. i remember, sybrina, when the president of the united states talked about if he had a son. watch this. >> you know, if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. and, you know, i think they are

right to expect that all of us as americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. >> and getting to the bottom of what happened is why the call has went out to the justice department investigate and this trayvon martin amendment is to really make sure it doesn't happen again. i know this is the work of the foundation. i know this is saturday. we're all at 100 locations around the country, pleading for some change. policy, not republican, democrat, everybody. sybrina, what is your hope that can come out of saturday and come out of the foundation's work on this tracy martin amendment? >> well, trayvon martin. >> trayvon martin. >> i'm sorry, i said tracy. >> the trayvon martin amendment says that you cannot pursue, you cannot follow, chase someone, pick a fight with them, shoot

and kill them, and then say you were standing your ground. so that's what that amendment is all about. for the rallies that are going on, for the marches that are going on, for the most part, they're peaceful. and we want them to remain peaceful. we want them to have a voice. and we want their voices to be heard, because people are listening. and numbers count. and that's what is important. >> but no violence? don't come if you can't control? irs you have to be able to control yourself. you have to be able to know what to say and when to say it. you have to be able to organize yourself within your own state or within your own city. and that's what we are promoting. that's what we are supporting. we're not supporting anything that is not of a positive image. >> and you are appealing to government for change, because i saw one newscast say that you were calling the president out. and i said no, i think she was responding to a question. we're trying to appeal for change. i don't -- i mean, is that the

spirit or am i missing something here? >> that's the spirit. we're trying to appeal for change. we're trying to get as many people connected to this movement, because it has turned into a -- it started out being one way. now it's a movement. there are people that want positive change. there are people that want the injustice to stop there are people of all colors that say something is wrong with the system if an adult male can get away with murder. and trayvon was a teenager. at the end of the day, he was a teenager that was minding his own business with a drink and some candy. >> reverend sharpton, from the time when we called you almost 17 months ago, we were asking for justice for trayvon, and we're still seeking that but the conversation has evolved. after you watched that trial, you saw them say because the actions of an african-american male who burglarized the town in the community, it was almost suggested that the neighborhood watch volunteer had a right to

go stop any teenaged black male he saw walking through his gated community. and you can't profile and follow somebody and chase them. not even the police can do that. the united states supreme court say you can't profile based on race. so the conversation of trayvon martin continues to evolve. and the question is are we going to make progress or regress? and if we make progress, this won't happen to anyone else's child. >> the foundation is going to be dedicated toward, and we're going to keep following it. when we come back, how these parents find the strength to keep going.

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sybrina, tracy, the foundation work, you say you want to have victims work with each other. i know that's a very important thing. we've worked with a lot of people we've had to fight with, fight for down through the years. you share the pain and bonded with them.

that's what the foundation is going to be about. >> yes. that's one of the purposes of the foundation is for us to connect with other families that are victims. it's on our website. and what we're going to do here -- >> what's the website? >> the website is thetrayvonmartinfoundation.org. >> now, when it's all over, we're going out saturday around the country, people going forward peacefully and try to change the law, when it's all over, 100 years from now, what do you want american history to say about trayvon martin? >> that trayvon was definitely a pillar in this time, in this generation, that his killing may have had something to do with the ending of the senseless violence. we want to learn from this, you know. and i think it's -- i think we as a people in general as a whole should take heed to this and learn from this. >> as a mother, sybrina, if you

could talk to george zimmerman, one case, the jury came back. but as a mother, what would you say to him? >> i would pray for him. i would tell him my favorite bible verse which is proverbs 3, 5 and 6. and i would tell him how i felt which is you shed innocent blood, and you're going to have to account for that. and i would pray for him. i really would. because i don't want to block my blessings by having any hatred in my heart for him. so i would pray for him. >> do you feel that with all the efforts you're doing, you've been out there, 16, 17 months, and just i'm going to ask you quickly. do you feel trayvon is with you and watching and seeing what you all are doing? >> absolutely. >> definitely. >> absolutely. it's little things that happen around us, which gives us confirmation that not only god is there, but our angel is

watching us too. >> sybrina fulton, tracy martin, attorney benjamin crump, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. trayvon martin's parents speak tonight, and this is "hardball." >> good evening. i'm kris matthews out in san francisco. let me start tonight with the obvious. we just saw reverend al sharpton's interview with the parents, the mother and father of trayvon martin. in a moment, we're going to hear from my colleague himself on what he heard and what he felt from the hour with those grieving parents. he is with us now, the reverend al sharpton. reverend sharpton, i want to