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and it helps keep your mouth healthy, too. [ applause ] biotene -- for people who suffer from dry mouth. this morning my question, what can kate middleton's baby teach us about texas governor rick perry. and what is it really like to grow up as trayvon martin. plus billy porter, the tony award winning star of "kinky boots" comes to nerdland. first, 100 rallies nationwide has us talking about the very point of protest. good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. in scores of cities across the country yesterday people frustrated by the verdict in the george zimmerman trial gatheredous federal court houses

for peaceful justice for trayvon vigils organization nufd by the reverend al sharpton's national action network. >> we just watched from atlanta to miami to chicago, over 100 cities. we're standing up today for justice for trayvon martin. >> participants spoke out against the violence that claimed trayvon martin's martin's life and so many others. trayvon's father was in miami. >> this could be any one of our children. our mission now is to make sure this doesn't happen to your child. we're going to continue to stand together, we're going to continue to unite. we're going to let them know that our lives matter just as much as your lives. >> the gathering of so many people with crowds numbering in the hundreds in cities seemed

cathartic especially with the losses the progressive movement racked up lately. for example, texas, wendy davis delivered an 11-hour filibuster speaking out against radical restrictions on reproductive rights and bringing the story to national attention. protesters packed the capital day after day to tell their stories, demand to be heard, to halt the terrifying legislation, but lawmakers passed the bill anyway. rick perry signed into law the many women's health clinics that have survived in the last round of attacks may now close their doors. since december the parents of murdered elementary school children in newtown, connecticut, have demanded an end to gun violence pleading with members of congress to expand background checks, ban assault weapons, restrict the size of magazines, really to do anything. but congress, hounded by the nra, failed to pass even the weakest gun control measures. every monday for three months

protesters have stormed the north carolina assembly to protest radical right wing agenda of lawmakers. they march, pray, present demands. an estimated 4,000 gathered in the recent moral monday protest. today more than 800 protests have been arrested. but week after week, the state's lawmakers vote to restrict voting rights to punish the poor, to gut funding for public schools and strip away reproductive rights. we have had few concrete, tangible victories of late. then we see justice trayvon rallies, demanding repeal of stand your ground laws, in doing so they are going up against the nra. >> now, are we going to let any citizen with a 9 millimeter gun profile our children? >> no. >> are we going to let my neighborhood watch with a 9 millimeter gun follow our

children? >> no. >> are we going to let any neighborhood watch for 9 millimeter gun profile and confront our children? >> no. >> of course as we all know, so far no one has won against the nra. although i feel inspired by the words of the president from friday, and trayvon martin's parents and others at these rallies, i can't help but feel the progressive movement is experiencing a moment of failure. protests have failed so far to stop legislation in texas and north carolina, to save the voting rights act, institute gun control measures 90% of the country supports. in what feels like a moment of failure, we have to take stock. we have to remember failure does not make a cause less righteous. the civil rights movement failed four decades before it won passage on the civil rights act. the movement began at the turn of the 20th century after the supreme court enshrined separate but equal and states passed jim

crow laws in droves. women came together to demand equal treatment under the law at the 1848 convention in seneca falls. they didn't win the right to vote until 1920. in both cases it was some 70 years of struggle, fits and starts and failures and modest wins and more failures before any great victory. every social movement you think of as a winning social movement failed for decades first. so don't give up, double down. know that these failures are part of the long arc of the moral universe. look at the future, strain your eyes. remember, too, this is important, victory is not inevitable. we get back on our feet every time. we dust the dirt off our clothes. we wipe the blood from our mouths if we fight and fight and fight. then we have a chance. joining me now, distinguished scholar of anti-racist feminist political theory at it came

college, tim wise, blair kelly, associate professor of history at north carolina state university and author of "right to ride, streetcar boycotts and african-american citizenship." and talk show host with sirius xm right on the patriot net work. thank you for being here. blair, let me start with you. the only reason i know about theory of failure and social movements and the idea it takes longer to get there than we think is because of your work and scholarship. what can we learn about history -- what can we learn from that history from this moment that feels like an awful lot of failure. >> so what excites me about this moment is not the defeats that we're facing. it's not the loss around trayvon martin's court case, it's not the erosion of women's rights around the country, not the

plethora of stand your ground laws, it's because it mirrors a struggle. when segregation begins, it begins tate by state. each state is creeping and testing and seeing what's going to happen when they do pass these new laws and other states model after those that are tessed in court and found to be successful. and so the same kind of thing is happening with alec now. alec is old. so alec as an organization is new but the idea of alec is old. >> going step by step. people may or may not know jim crow isn't a federal policy that comes down, it's state by state pushing. >> local government, tate governments all slowly creeping in on african-american lives and constricting it. >> often what i hear, to the extent people are having any kind of sense of optimism here is i keep hearing progressive languages. well, democrats will ultimately just win because republicans are going to lose as a result of

demographics. demographics are destiny, this is an old white male party, don't worry, republicans will soon die. actually, no, demographics are not built that way. how do we include a coalition to build these groups despite the failure. >> demography is not destiny. south african apartheid held on for a long time and white folks were only 6% of the population there. even on the way out they can do a lot of damage. a coalition, what we're seeing now. we've got people fighting in texas, maybe losing to fetal police and fighting the justice, stop and frisk or stand your ground and maybe at this point losing. but what they are doing, building community, making connections, reminding each other they haven't lost their mind. they are not seeing things. there really is something happened. i don't think we can underestimate the value of that

across lines of race and ethnicity and ideology to come together around a common cause. one of the reasons i wanted you around the table, lots of reasons, as much as i do not agree with the tea party movement philosophically, idea logically, what i do like is even the sense if you lose an lec, it doesn't mean you lose the right to speak out and speak your goal within the context of a democracy, right? whether or not i agree with the goals of the movement, i thought there was something important about the idea of not being discouraged even when you lose. is there something -- is the right better at moving forward even after big losses on the right to push forward. if so, is there something to be learned about that. >> i'm a first amendment guy. i believe everyone, if you do it peacefully win the bounds of law should be able to protest,

whatever your issues is in the country. whether you're better or not is determined by history. they say presidents are gunlged 50 years after their presidency. the success of movements are judged years in the future. but the progressive movement in america is up against a very obvious reality. we're a center right nation. the numbers don't blind the outcome. the fact is we're a center right nation on many issues. that is a fact about america. so protests and terminologies and fights aside, we're dealing with people in america, who in a representative republic are pushing up from the grassroots level. to be fair, at occupy wall street, they manage to change the narrative. the tea party brought issues to the forefront. occupy wall street was effective and change the narrative, while i disagree with them. now we have this new set of rallies, which, by the way, i'm for the rallies. what i question is what do you do after? rallies are important.

they are galvanizing moments. what the tea party did after, for example, we went local, educated, started working at the grassroots level. >> for me that point is one of the key distinctions between tea party and occupy was this idea what the tea party did next was run all of these candidates. it's not something occupy did for a variety of reasons philosophically. >> it's not just candidates. more important than the candidates is it went to the community, went to the community centers, went neighbor to neighbor. what you start doing is you get concentric circles of people who talk to each other at work, at the gym, wherever they talk about ideas. america has been successful as a marketplace of ideas we debate each other. it's the people that use instances and take it beyond what it is and use it for their own agendas that damage it. >> i want to come back and push back on two things, both the idea we are essentially center right and also that that is mostly grassroots.

i think there's all kinds of ways we have to talk about money and resources. i want to bring you in to help me push back. stay right there. up next i do want to talk about trayvon martin's mother. she has a mission to protect and honor her child. honor her child and protect your child when we come back. all business purchases.

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trayvon was a child. and i think sometimes it gets lost in the shuffle. because as i said in the courtroom, it made me think they were talking about another man. it wasn't. it was a child, who thought as a

child, who acted as a child, who behaved as a child. don't take my word for it. he had a drink and candy. so not only -- not only do i bow to you to do what i can for trayvon martin, i promise you i'm going to work hard for your children as well because it's important. >> that was trayvon martin's mom at one the rallies in her son's honor yesterday. she once again showed such grace and poise reminding us trayvon was a child. what happened to him could happen to anyone's child. part of the issue is it couldn't happen to -- it was unlikely to happen to everyone's child. some groups this is more likely to happen to. as i was watching this i was thinking of the importance of mothers in our history in protest, but also part of the disconnect felt like this jury,

which contained a lot of mothers, somehow didn't respond to trayvon martin as a child. >> right. what was so upsetting to me as a white female, and having the jury be mainly white female was recognizing they did not think of themselves as trayvon's mothers. and the level of what they first -- this is not about them personally. but in a political world we occupy, as white and female, you have to be really conscious of your whiteness. the only way to do that is try to imagine what it might like to be not white. so that was not done nor did the framing of the entire trial allow that. although to be honest, they all had a responsibility to do that no matter what the law says.

>> what you said in is important here. i have tried from the beginning to say it would be a bad idea to take these six people and demonize them. part of what we're trying to do in these moments in the weeks since the verdict is talk about the meaning it has. so there's this moment, this verdict but a broader moment. part of history, here we have texas going on, the question of immigration, the coalition, suddenly it feels like it starts to fall apart if white women on the jury don't see me, how do i see them when we go do this work together. >> i think it's about education. i'm blessed to be an educator and get to sit in classrooms with people who aren't necessarily where i am all the time. we're not always with each other on all these issues. there may be african-americans who don't see themselves in the

abortion fight, for example. >> or the immigration fight. >> or the immigration fight. i think north carolina is a really wonderful example of this. the coalition is necessary. the coalition in teaching one another and having the patience to listen to one another and think about walking in someone else's shoes. the reverend barber and his rallying around the amendment that north carolina passed to make it illegal to marry constitutionally in the state constitution when he stood up and said against the will of many within his own community that this wasn't right, restricting rights in the constitution was wrong. he's a teacher for us, right, to sort of step out of our own bounds and think about the law and the just land we want to make for all of us. >> i think part of that for me, tim, is recognizing movement is part of it, coalition is part of it but resources is part of it.

we're 50 years after the march on washington. people remember that great march. they don't often think about what it takes financially to pull together not just a march, a protest but a social movement. is there something from the right we should learn about how the resources get deployed to make protests effective. >> i don't know if it's a question of learning from the right per se but we want to push back on the idea that movements ought to be contingent on wealth and power and access pt right now this ought to concern anyone who cares about democracy, small d democrats. we have a country we're told we want more money in the elections but fewer voters. we want restrictions to make it harder to vote but easier to finance an election. to me that is a complete inversion of what we ought to be pushing for. i would hope people of goodwill on the left, the right, somewhere in between that would be able to recognize that's a fundamentally disempowering thing for people. it ought not be contingent on what's in our wallet to go into

a protest or sit-in or teach in at a college. those things ought not be contingent on resources. >> stay with me. i'm going to talk about something that is free protest. that's twitter. the one-woman protest that worked and how she took to twitter to help squash the zimmermans' book deal. you know throughout history,

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the vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done. but i think his heart was in the right place, it just went terribly wrong. >> juror b-37 already signed with a literary agent for a book after her experience on the jury. after the outcry on twitter, particularly outcry by one twitter user who posted the agent's phone number and e-mail address and urged followiers to voice their rejection, the agent rescinded her offer. it spoke to the power of social media, the power of one person, one really motivated person. that person twitter organizer jeannie lauren joins the table. you had a win this week. we had all these losses, you had a win. what prompted you to organize on

twitter this way. >> i saw people live tweeting the cnn interview. when i learned about her having -- we actually learned about her having the book deal the sunday right after the verdict came down. it was like why so soon? this seems like maybe a little opportunistic. with the cnn interview, it made me so upset. what can we do? someone told me, we can stop this book. yeah, you know, we can't stop the verdict, bring trayvon back but we can definitely stop this book. >> let me ask you something. my first impulse, i'm troubled by the verdict, because i like twitter, my first impulse is to say yea. my second impulse particularly as someone on television, says things polarizing, do i want social media to be able to take people down. do i want in 140 characters people so say i want melissa harris-perry off the air because i don't agree with her. talk to me about how we balance

first amendment free speech right that you have and she has and the ability and need to protest and make our voices heard? >> that's a tough question. >> solve it right now, 35 seconds. >> well, wow. that's a really tough question. i think it goes hand in hand with what -- when people protest, this is just another way for people to protest. so obviously as you were saying earlier a lot of protests fail, fail in the immediate sense but in the long run they do prevail. but for what now on twitter, people are just voicing their concerns the same way they would take to the streets. it's just a different form of protest. >> david, let me get you in on this one. >> twitter is the wild, wild west of cyberspace and it has its good and its bad. you can say whatever you want in 140 characters anonymously.

>> say whatever you want in 140 characters. >> i attach responsibility to the person who does it and the person who puts it out. i'm for using twitter, social media. it was one of the big reasons the tea party movement took off. oon in new york tens of thousands of people on the street responsibly. if you put out what you did, the company number, not the personal number of the person. that's a responsible use of twitter to say voice your opinion. >> you didn't ask vigilantes to go to her house. >> there was a report of a woman in florida getting over 100 calls and death threats because her number was one number off from zimmerman. that was something put out th e there -- we have to use it responsibly. what is put out there is what the end user does with it. you and i get vile hatred for all sorts of reasons. that's irresponsible use of it and doesn't affect us and it

shouldn't. the revolution is it didn't bring down the regime, obviously the regime is till there, but it did bring the world to notice what the green revolution is about and that's its financial. >> let me ask you, this was one case we had a very clear goal, you organize people and met that goal. going forward do you see twitter as a valuable way to build sort of longer term social movements? not just twitter but social media in general. >> it gives people access to stuff they didn't have access to before. i mean, you know, they are protesting in new york, they are protesting in miami. if you live somewhere where maybe there's no protests, what do you do? you can take to twitter. you can take to twitter on your phone. you don't even have to have a laptop. >> one of the things i can definitely say twitter has done, it brought you to my attention. if it does nothing else, it connects people has otherwise wouldn't connect. i'm bringing the rest of the panel back. when we come back i want to talk

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this is what membership is. this is what membership does. in north carolina, as around the country, vigils and gatherings held yesterday calling for justice for trayvon. the biggest protests happening in that state this summer are happening each and every monday outside the north carolina general assembly. they highlight the republican-led legislatures hard turn to the right. >> attacks on women, on people of color, on immigrants, on public workers are tricks that have been tried before and they have been stopped before. >> it's not just a crime shame is a crime. >> they are driving us down the road backwards with old south politics. these are the george wallace type of nullification in the 21st century. >> the focus this week was on

reproductive rights north carolina like texas, mississippi, wisconsin is trying to further restrict. the moral monday movement goes into its 12th week tomorrow. we were just talking about twitter and social media. what we see in north carolina are bodies, bodies that are being arrested. it feels like something very different. it's a long-term and coalition building. >> absolutely. if we really start with the site of politic, it's always the body whether it's the color of it, sex of it, gender of it, it's why so much politics comes back there. this is a particular site when you're dealing with the genitals, the actual vaginas of female bodies. to try to have a control mechanism there that moves to all other forms of control that are raced and gendered and

classed. so the struggle here, what i don't like about it being defined as reproductive rights and abortion is that they are so embedded in every other single right, the right to work, the right to food, the right to health. of course we need these sites because we can't be everywhere, right? it is a coalition -- >> that's part of what makes moral monday effective they recognize reproductive rights and voting rights are connected. blair talk to me about -- we're talking about protests. this is not just protests. this is apparently a movement. what's the difference between protests and movements as we see here. >> if you're in my class we have to learn about organizing rather than mobilizing. that's showing up, holding a sign, very important. organizing them because they are part of an engaged long-term struggle is key. we can learn from north

carolinian ella baker, who i teach about all the time who created a long-term push for civil rights by knowing people, connecting people, maintaining relationships over time. that is what the civil rights movement was built on. >> and really important, i'm glad you mentioned ella baker because there's no greater name for us to remember in the history of social movements. there's a woman doing the work. not only did she say we they'd to mobilize a new contingent which is now sncc got started. she trusted young people. that was the most important, these young folks, i've been doing it with the old heads, and they have good ideas but young folks, what we're seeing is young folks connecting with older activists in the struggle. that's the kind of thing even if they don't this week, this month, they are going to build a movement. >> you brought up sncc begins in

north carolina, greensboro began that aspect of the movement, it's part of what makes the notion of a struggle in north carolina -- this year we have seen before. i'll let you in. >> i agree, this is how movements develop. it's what i said before, what you do after the rally, after the galvanizing moment. i want to go back to the difference of top down, bottom up. there's examples of that on all sides of the aisle. there's attacks against tea party, and i haven't gotten my check from the coke brothers yet and neither has anyone i know of. organize america is a top down movement, grass down movement. we have to look at what these things are from both sides, embodiment from people. the education that takes it. >> this is worth talking about north carolina. our pope didn't write checks to folks, except that he wrote checks for campaigns. those campaigns took over that

school board. that school board and strategy takes over state legislature. then our pope ends up with a position in government. so no one thinks they handed out checks to the protesters, but it does look like our pope bought the state of north carolina and that doesn't seem valid to me. >> in the end, and these are states issues which means citizens vote on them. we're in a representative republic, which means people have free will when they go to the poll. nobody holds a gun to your head on any issue, left or right, nor should they when you go to polls. >> let me say this. i hear you and i know that's the beautiful narrative of voting in america. in north carolina right now they have put forward legislation that's doing to mean college students cannot use ids to vote, out of state driver's license are not acceptable, employee ids. they have put forward things -- if you vote then your parent

will lose their ability to claim you as a dependent. we can't just say people get unfettered right to vote. >> here is the issue here that we really do look at, it's who is voting. i haven't seen a state, and no one here it say that, that says black have to show id, hispanics show id. let me finish my point. in many states if you can't get an id, driver's license, a document, the idea of verification is the idea no matter who you are you're able to vote and be identified. >> the thing is, okay, i think we certainly -- it is certainly a preponderance of the evidence there's a disparate impact on some communities with the voter id. unfortunately they are screaming at me to go to break. i need to say good-bye tozillah.

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you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. >> it wasn't just a surprise that president obama showed up suddenly in the white house briefing room to give remarks on trayvon martin, the verdict in the george zimmerman trial. no, arguably a bigger shock was what he said right there, reminding us he, arguably the powerful man in the world with a privileged education

stereotyping so many black men know as well. george nunez talking about what it's like in a country where your skin can be a sin. joining me again here today is c.j. morrison, a rising sophomore at central connecticut state university. alongside him michael gelman, an incoming freshman at harvard. asia of the black youth project 100, a senior at texas a&m in the fall and again with us is george nunez who will again his studies later this year. melanie, the florida a&m chapter president of the dream defenders who are still sitting in at the florida capital protesting in the wake of the george zimmerman verdict. thank you all for being here. i actually want to start with you, asia. you were at the mack youth project 100, a group of young leaders when the verdict came

down. what was the response? >> we were ending our night on saturday, we were getting ready -- some of us going to chicago. we heard the verdict was going to happen in 15 minutes. that completely changed the energy in the room. we came together in a big conference room and held hands in this huge circle. when the verdict happened, it was probably the most heartbreaking moment of any of our lives. people collapsed, people were screaming. everyone was asking why, why, why. there was no understanding. there was nothing anyone could have said to us to help us understand what happened. and then everyone needed to be comforted. how do you comfort when you need to be comforted. we came back together. a lot of people were sharing, trying to process and talking through. i was ready to give up. i was done. i said, i need to go. someone needs to send me home. nobody would let me go. absolutely not. you came here to fight. this is our moment. >> going to stay in it.

i so appreciate you saying that, the sense of how powerful it was in that moment. c.j., i remember when we were first together, when we heard about trayvon martin's shooting and you came and joined the table. you told some stories of being profiled and experiencing similar kinds of things. we wanted you back. he'll come back and tell us a good story of how he's gone off to college and he never experiences this anymore. c.j., what happened a few months after you went to school. >> i definitely didn't think about what it happened as bad as it did when i got to school. a month or two in. college students you go to parties and things like that. we were leaving a party, me and some of my teammates. i guess somewhere around the area with police and some other kids. we were walking to our car, no less than two minutes away from our car. i kid you not, like four cop cars, canine units all came at

us, guns out, asking us to put our hands up. we immediately put our hands up. we were like, what happened? what's doing on? they said we could have been involved in a shooting down the street or something like that. we were like, no, we literally just left this party with students at central, which was like 10 minutes away from where we were. we're trying to go back to school. we've got practice in the afternoon the next day. they just like screaming at us, patting us down. i asked the woman, because she come up to me with a gun, pointing right at me, my chin. i was like, ma'am, i don't have anything on me. i'm trying to get back to school. she said we've got to do this as a precaution. they gave us no reason why they came at us, with everyone leaving. there was a group of men, young men walking to their car, just like everyone else is. >> when you hear the president say trayvon martin could have been me. it's also true trayvon martin -- you could have been trayvon martin in that moment.

>> exactly. >> melanie, let me come to you. you all are doing organizing work. we heard asia say she felt like she wanted to give up. they said, no, you're disallowed from giving up. talk to us about what you're trying to do in florida. >> we're basically trying to get governor rick scott to convene a special legislation of the legglegg legislature. not only stand your ground or justice for trayvon but the reality is we go through racial profiling every day. we want to look at during the special session the environment that created trayvon martin's situation. stand your ground, the repealing of stand your ground, the racial profiling of black and brown people and school to prison pipeline, direct funneling of black and brown students out of school and poor students out of school and into prisons. >> everybody stay with me, i've got direct questions for you guys as soon as we get back. all business purchases.

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>> i don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better. each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. it doesn't mean we're in a post racial society. it doesn't mean racism is eliminated. but when i talk to mel ya and sasha and listen to their friends and see them interact, they are better than we are. they are better than we were on these issues. that's true in every community i've visited across the country. >> that is the president's great optimism about this next generation. do you share that optimism? are you doing better than we e are. >> i don't necessarily think so.

i think what's so troubling about the trayvon martin shooting case is that this did and could have happened 20 years before that and 20 years before that and it really is nothing new. what i really enjoyed about the speech, the talk obama gave, we really need -- it's a call to action to examine ourselves on an individual level, community level, our churches and families. i think that's where the real progress is going to come from. i do think young people are striving to take this issue to heart and really examine themselves. i don't know how quick the change will come. >> george, you are turning 18 years old today. happy birthday. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> i was looking at the pictures you sent, having graduated,

salu salute torian of your class, your future. are you feeling good about what's next? >> yes, i definitely am. the reason why, i'm heading into a new chapter in my life. i know turning 18 has to be better than last year. that being said, being stronger mentally, physically and just improving my craft. regarding the trayvon martin situation, i felt like it was completely unfair for zimmerman to get away with what he has done. i was doing some research. they were actually thinking about giving him his gun back. so him doing that to trayvon and still receiving the privilege he got and getting off so easily and not being charged with second degree murder or manslaughter is completely unfair. if this was reversed and trayvon did the shooting, there would

not have been a trial so long, he would have automatically been incarcerated. we can do a better job protesting. we need more youths to speak up. we need more to become lawyers. i can't speak for everybody else but i will go to law school, i will speak for people, the trayvon martin, emmett till. >> speaking, part of what black youth project is about, giving voice. they don't care about black on black crime, only this moment. of course you have been organizing around this other violence. what are some of the most important things we could be doing? >> i think one of the most important things we could be doing is understanding there's already action being done and we don't want to step on other toes and reinvent the wheel. we want to work with other people and stay in solid artie with other groups. i met a lot of activists working on plaque on black crime, industrial system, dream

defenders, we stand in solidarity with dream defenders and what they are doing in florida. our most important goal is to work with people, not necessarily speak for the youth who can't speak for themselves but power the youth and give them their voice. >> c.j., are you feeling optimistic about the future? >> yeah, yeah, i am. i'm going to say i am only because i feel like people are more understanding. after being in college, i grew up in a predominantly black area and i wasn't around caucasians as much. most of my friends that i consider really friends are caucasian. do have new friends and experienced new things. i realize they grew up different things than i have. they see different things of our people than we see ourselves. stereotypes they see them as stereotypes. we have certain conversations with each ear, we joke around. oh, yeah, you'll probably be late to this party or you're going to show up late to practice. we joke around in that way but

we understand we're getting to know one another, getting to know these aren't the way every black person is or every white person is. >> this table -- melanie, i'm so sorry i didn't get back to you. i promise we'll keep our eye on dream defenders. this table makes me optimistic, not because i think it's okay but because i know in small ways and large ones you're working to make things better. i promise i'm just going to follow your lead, melanie, c.j., michael, asia and george, thank you all for being here. coming up next, what jay-z and beyonce decided to do on their saturday afternoon this week and why it matters. more nerdland at the top of the hour. looked nice?

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into the debate that divided the country long before a jury found george zimmerman not guilty. the president joined a discussion already in progress adding to voices that had been knee-deep in thorny questions raised by the case. our elected officials have never been the ones to begin the conversation about race. as president obama said in his speech, they are not going to be the ones to resolve it. >> i do recognize as president i've got convening power. to gather together business leaders, local elected officials, clergy y, celebrities, athletes and figure out how are we doing a better job helping young african-american men feel that they are a full part of this society and that they have got pathways and avenues to succeed. now, i think that would be a pretty good outcome from what

was obviously a tragic situation. >> did you see that? it's not our elected leaders. it's going to be other folks there president obama had an idea about. no sooner had he dropped the mike than the very folks, the kinds of people president hope obama talked about picking it up did exactly that. yesterday as new york city joined the 100 cities rallying together demanding justice for trayvon martin, our own resident member of the clergy y, reverend al sharpton was joined by a couple of president obama's most famous celebrity supporters, jay-z and beyonce. they took a break from their respective tour schedules to join reverend sharpton, trayvon martin's mother and hundreds at the rallies. the foray into public activism has been a long time coming, for one celebrity activist harry belafonte had these words for the couple last august.

i think one of the great abuses of this modern time is we should have had such high profile artists, powerful celebrities but they have turned their back on social responsibility. that goes for jay-z and beyonce, for example. give me bruce springsteen and now we're talking. i really think he's black. when he snatched the wigs he did so with experience. he's been on the forefront of movements for more than six decades. he was there 50 years ago with the march on washington alongside sidney poitier, charlton heston, marlon brando all who used stardom to shine a bright spotlight on the cause for celebrity. this year as we commemorate the 50 year anniversary of that march it has transformed into a moment to call for equality once again. as we push for justice, the bright light of celebrity must add fire, not just heat. joining me now, tim wise, author

of "dear white america" associate professor of history north carolina state university and author of "right to ride" and host of the web show on surriosu sirius xm patriot. how valuable are celebrity voices in a racial social justice movement. >> somewhat. i think it's important to get people's attention that normally would not be paying attention. folks who don't follow politics, who don't know who you are and don't watch msnbc. >> shocker. >> aren't paying attention to this ongoing political debate will wake up and say, oh, beyonce and jay-z were doing something? let me see what they were talking about and see what this movement is about. it's that mobilizing moment. they are not the stuff of organizing. >> they are the stuff of -- i've been thinking a little about

this of there was a moment when folks weighed in around trayvon martin, a little surprising. dave, one of our favorites here, has been calling for lebron james to now say something mostly because he helped organize miami heat in protest initially around the trayvon martin shooting. is that fair for us to make a call to say, hey, you did this with the hoodies, now we want to hear from you now? >> what i hear harry belafonte saying, these people have privilege. they have a platform, people who listen to them and value them in one way. that might be translated into them being listened to in other ways. the most obvious case of that is white people who have privilege, white people who need to step up. when president obama says other people need to step up and end racism, he didn't say it because of the climate we live in, he can't say it, but i'm going to say it, white people. >> it's not that we need to hear

from lebron james but bruce springsteen. >> whatever people of privilege, skin privilege, sex privilege, money privilege, celebrity privilege, there is an obligation to use that as responsibly as possible. most of us have some of it in some way, shape or form. for those white trying to be allies in the struggle against racism, we try to use that in a responsible way, men fighting sexism fighting the same thing. >> that's unusual. i've tried to be an ally around lgtb issues. having a tv show is a privilege. i'm not myself gay, it gives me a space and opportunity to give others a voice. >> i hear from tim a lot, white privilege, privileged white, almost as if white people are relegated to not see issues by this narrative or that black people, by the way -- racism is about power and control. blacks, hispanics, every society in the world has had some form of either slavery or racism,

modern times, you name it. it exists today in saudi arabia and other areas around the world. what we're talking about is not whether you're white or black or celebrity. celebrity weigh in, insulated, marlon wayans can say outrageous thing but be insulated, celebrities can do the right thing by bringing their voice to it. we keep bringing this into a privilege issue when it's really about the nation and culture. whites are not evil, blacks are not evil but it's being presented by a lot of people in these quarters that for some reason there's a privilege assigned to a skin color. >> but there is. >> the actions of people, content of color is what we should judge. let me finish this point. martin luther king spoke to the conscious of a nation. he didn't speak to black people, white people. >> he specifically called out white people. >> no, he did not. >> he absolutely did.

the letter from the birmingham jail is a letter to moderate white clergy. he says white moderate clergy hotel us we must wait, here is why we can't. it is not -- using the language of privilege is an indication of saying white people are not evil. when you talk about evil, i have privilege. i happen to be able to walk around the world, to marry and divorce, bear children without anyone giving me a second glance. i retain that privilege as a heterosexual whether ally or against lgtb people. privilege doesn't require -- >> all in this room we're able-bodied. able-bodied privilege, doesn't make us discriminatory people. it's not normal for the -- >> that's the problem. if you call it normal. >> what's wrong with walking into this radio. it's normal.

>> if you're disabled you don't do that. is not a privilege. >> here is what i would say, walking in the room. i think it's a great question, i love the question around able-bodiedness. if you look behind you, my cameras probably can't see it. to get on this stage you have to walk down three stairs. there is no way to get here without walking down three stairs. that means when i think about booking this show, i have never once booked someone in a wheelchair to sit at this stage. the reason i cannot is because my building is built in a way that makes it impossible for a person dealing with disability to show up at my table, and that is privilege. the fact that able-bodied -- >> means you make an accommodation that says you have a ramp. ada, we have to make it accessible for people who have a disability. >> amen. you know what -- amen. absolutely, which is exactly why we then must recognize male privilege and say we must make

accommodation in a world that has privilege. >> you're not super because you're normal and less because of a disability. >> normal, who is normal. >> it's normal to walk. most people walk around normally. >> there's a lot of people normal under your designation. am i normal as a black woman. >> abnormal, that sounds incredibly offensive. >> don't put words in my mouth. i'm not saying that. >> you said five times -- >> opposite of normal. >> david, if we put that on race. if we take it and put it on race, one could say potentially if you took the context out or the way that normal reads and said normative, normal curve, majority don't need wheelchair assistance, true with little t statement. if you do it on race, whiteness is normal, normative, it is empirically false that whiteness is normative.

the thing is it doesn't come without empier ic. when you say straightness, you comply everyone is ab normal. >> the dictionary says so. your problem is with basic english gram or not with me or anyone at the table. >> you can use attacks all you want. the fact is we have to deal with things where we are. it is not somehow bad not to be normal, it's not abnormal not to be normal. we are different as people, men, women, young, short, tall, fat, whatever it is. and the problem we have is the polarizing nature of what happens when you start talking about privilege being something that -- >> she is the moderator here. i would like to get back to the idea it is partly white people's responsibility to end racism. >> be careful, i know when said in part men's responsibility to

end sexual assault she was -- all of us in positions of privilege, and ipo going to accept that, have a normative identity, do have responsibilities around that. what all this has to do with beyonce i'm not sure anymore. tim wise, thanks for being here. coming up, the irony of a guy named cuccinelli being opposed to oral sex. wow, seriously? [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] there's no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's right brent. mom's baked cookies but he'll be lucky to make it inside. and here's the play. oh dad did not see this coming. [ crowd cheering ] now if kevin can just seize the opportunity. it's looking good, herbie. he's seen it. it's all over. nothing but daylight. yes i'd love a cookie. [ male announcer ] make a powerful first impression. the all-new nissan sentra. ♪

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now it's time for a weekly rundown of those moments that during the week had us slapping our face.

wow, seriously? if you like many americans what you heard when president obama spoke on friday was a candid and courage comment on race in america. if you're dreaming up new ways to control the president you were likely to devour the speech as a delicious morsel of bait. nonother than sean hannity, proofing the point the race claims of americans fall on deaf ears hannity came up with his own reinterpretation of what president obama really was saying. the president very clearly and carefully laid out his analysis for why he identified with trayvon martin. but on his radio show friday sean hannity had this to say. >> now the president says trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. this is a particularly helpful comment. is that the president admitting because he was part of the gang and smoked pot and did a little blow. >> way to both completely miss

the president's point and prove it at the same damn time. that wasn't the only moment this week when people on the right got it all wrong. during thursday night's major league baseball all-star game, a few fans took to twitter to rale against the injustice of choosing a mexican instead of an american to open the game with a rendition of god bless america. only there were a few details that these geniuses failed to notice. the singer, superstar marc anthony was born and raised in new york, as american as the pastime those folks on twitter were so ignorantly defending. for what it's worth anthony's ancestry isn't even mexicoan, puerto rican, which is a u.s. territory. as anthony later said, no passport needed. speaking of singers who might be feeling unwelcome, '90s r&b swb, take notice. you might want to think about skipping the state of virginia

on your old school revival tour this year, your 1993 hit song, "downtown" about the joys of -- would not be enjoyed when ken cuccinelli has his way. he wants to make it illegal to go downtown, among other places, by banning oral and anal sex between consentual adults. if it was up to kucc, the only way would be through vaginal intercourse. a website with his crusade against sodomy, thinly veiled to protect against abuse. crimes against nature law, which was declared unconstitutional by the fourth circuit court of appeals earlier this year. it's a law the attorney general framing as an anti-child predator measure except laws against rape, child molestation, statutory rape are on the books,

which lays bare the claim of cuccinelli's agenda to make a lie of the state's slogan that virginia is for lovers. with politics like these, voters may respond with a message of their own, that the state of virginia is not for ken cuccinelli. wow, seriously? up next, what the royal baby tell us about texas politics. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. [ robert ] we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. f-f-f-f-f-f-f. lac-lac-lac.

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the mother and faemp, their family, community, even their country, it is easy to think of the bump as a baby, but not every pregnancy is a fairy tale. there are other stories, ultrasound reveals severe birth did he if he can, a child is raped and becomes pregnant, another baby would jeopardize a mother'sable to feed her lig children, a woman decides she does not want a child at all. these are different pregnancies. reminders an unwanted pregnancy can be by logically the same as a wanted one but the experience different. eggs are fertilized, embryos implant cells divide and multiply, fetuses grow but when does life begin in i submit the answer depends an awful lot on the feeling of the parents, a powerful feeling but not science. the problem is that many of our policymakers want sweeping laws on those feelings. take texas, thursday texas

governor rick perry signed a bill that bans abortion after 20 weeks and imposes restrictions on abortion providers that could shut down all by five of texas's abortion clinics. supporters of the bill say it's about protecting women's health and reducing abortions. they wanted to lower the number of abortions, which is, i think, an admirable goal. according to world health organization abortion rates are the same or higher in countries that criminalize abortions. prohibiting abortions does not stop it. instead, women in those countries seek out unsafe abortions and they are more likely to suffer medical complications and to die. so much for pro-life. joining me once again chloe angel editor and willie parker of family planning associates of chicago, still with us blair kelly associate professor of history at north carolina university and conservative radio show host dave webb. i want to start with you, doctor.

it does feel to me like this question of initiation of life and also the question around fetal pain has a lot to do with emerging technologies in which people are often anticipating making a baby, and so they are in on -- they know exactly when conception happened, it happened in the land, testing ultrasounds, heartbeats earlier than normal. i want to listen to governor rick perry saying something and want to ask your medical scientific opinion on it. lets listen to governor perry. >> new research, advanced technology give prematurely born children a renewed chance at life. i think that should give pause to all of us as we argue the definition of viability, consider the human impact of abortion. at five months, many studies indicate these children feel the pain of their own deaths.

>> abraham -- not abraham lincoln. someone once said we're all entitled to their own opinion but nobody is entitled to their own facts. the scientific facts around viability are that before 25 completed weeks, it's very unlikely any pregnancy can survive outside the womb. more specifically with regard to governor governor perry's claim about fetal pain, the best scientific evidence we have shows the very structures that are necessary to perceive or feel pain aren't developed until 29 completed weeks, almost 30 weeks. for example, to have a bill that outlaws abortion at 20 weeks is long before a fetus is ever viable and even earlier before a fetus can feel pain. those are just the scientific facts. >> i think it's useful to put scientific facts on the table. i want to acknowledge there's a

faith claim about the beginning of life. i don't mean just evangelical. you and i are best friends, we were both there for each other's pregnancies. we both related to the pregnancies as children before the first breath. talked to my daughter, you talked to my daughter in utero. those are claims about faith that feel like they shouldn't be legislated. >> absolutely. we were talking about privilege before, right? to think about the ways in which you and i had insurance, and we had spouses, and we had homes, and we had our health to a certain extent, and it was still difficult. it was still a challenge. but these were our choices. so i think that remembering choice and not trying to legislate. the one good thing about the libertarian stance is supposed

to be that you're for people making choices about freedom and really being able to determine their own destinies. so i would love for folks who push libertarianism to think about the liberty of women, to think about the liberty of the poor, to think about people who might make different choices than they would. >> david, 60% -- more than 60% of women that dhoos end their pregnancies with abortion do so and they already have a child. it's not that women don't know. it's not that they are not willing to raise children, it's often because they are in very complicated circumstances. why don't we trust women to make those choices? what is the inability to just let the law be silent on this? >> it's more complex than a simple answer. we start from the point of agreement. if you reduce unwanted

pregnancies in the free market you reduce the number for abortions. we have a position where pro-life agrees. reduce abortions, one, it's something the country believes in. that's a lot of people. when it comes to education we they'd to use that. the faith and policy, that's going to be an argument going on forever. i'm with the doctor. the facts on the table matter. essentially texas, i'm not a fan of fetal pain, i think that's a policy statement in making an argument for your side. we have to look at the reality of what happens. this is late term abortion bill. most americans are against late term abortions. there's an exception in this bill for the doctor to make an exception if there's a threat to the life of the mother. you're through education sonograms, blood tests, genetic tests, the opportunity for anatomy scan. there's virtually no way you don't know where you are as a

pregnancy. >> these are mostly abortions occurring because of significant difficulty -- in other words, the 20-week abortion is usually a woman who wants a child but at 20 weeks once you have this information is when you make the decision. >> section 171045, exceptions, physician's reasonable medical judgment. >> then you have to have a position, which takes us back to the privilege. >> you are usually seeing a physician at that point. >> it's not just a, quote, late term abortion bill. it closes a whole bunch of clinics. >> clause in the bill. >> that's exactly -- we're going to take a break and we've got somebody who we're going to go right into the heart of texas. i want to answer exactly that question, how this bill closes clinics as soon as we get back. i've been coloring liz's hair for years. but lately she's been coming in with less gray than usual.

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we're talking about texas's strict new abortion bill. joining me from austin tech texas is someone whose work is targeted by this radical agenda. founder of whole women's health which operates women around the country including five in texas. thank you for joining us, amy. >> thank you for having me, melissa. >> amy, the question on the table is how is it this new legislation would end up closing clinics? >> i think your conversation earlier about the 20-week ban is one portion of this omnibus plan. require clinics to have the same sort of physical plant that operations, that big surgeries would have to have outside of the hospital setting in the afc. the second most onerous piece is requiring each physician needs to have admitting privileges at

a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic. those two things are very well crafted by our opposition to sort of being a perfect storm for those of us who provide abortions in the state of texas. what we're looking at is between those two things going from about 42 clinics down to maybe five. it could actually be fewer with the combination of the privileges and ambulatory regulation. >> doctor, are those the kinds of policies that protect women's health? >>. >> requiring a doctor to have admitting privileges when less than 1% of abortions require hospital care at all, if an abortion requires hospital care it's an emergency situation. in the emergency the patient would be taken to the emergency facility and doesn't matter if the doctor has privileges or not. that requirement has nothing to do wit. medical experts have shown the width of the hall, the number of bathrooms, the size of the elevator don't do anything to provide safely. abortion is extremely safe, one of the most common and safest

procedures available to women and is health care. >> abortions are extremely safe. is a sentence that may not remain true. >> right. the phrase mortifying than flea market abortions than the risk of women going to mexico or going to other states buying medication they have heard, people have told them will end their pregnancies. this is medical care and people who are pregnant, not just women, people who get pregnant deserve to have safe, medical care just like other every citizen of the country. i know we get into this position where we have facts and religion passing in the night. there are two ships in the night and we talk past each other because we have different moral frames we're working with. again, i'm not a religious person but i cannot conceive of a god who tells people to look at p people pregnant, scared, asking for help, i cannot imagine a god who tells us to look at that person and say, i

could help you but i won't. >> when i say faith claim i don't mean a particular book or religion but the experience of pregnancy, the sense of oh, now i'm experiencing something, a fetus or embryo but a baby. amy, i want to talk to you for a second here. what is the process for you, when you think about this goal that we hear texas state legislature saying, which is to reduce abortion, i want to take them at their word there, rather than saying they just want to control women. you as someone who provides health care to women, what could be the things we could do to reduce abortion if that was, in fact, the goal. >> right. i think you're very wise to ask that question. if that was the goal, this would not -- this doesn't actually solve that problem. this bill does nothing to prevent unplanned pregnancy, does nothing to deal with the fact that the same amount of women in texas are going to need

an abortion after these restrictions are passed. the best ways to prevent comprehensive abortion care is give women access to family planning and fund that family planning. our family planning budget was eviscerated at the same time these restrictions were passed to restrict abortion. you mentioned flea market abortion, that article was written in my clinic on the texas mexico border. since the last law passed in the state of texas in the last legislation was passed, we've seen women taking matters in their own hand already prior to this bill being passed. we've seen women crossing the border, "passing medication at flee mark, pre-roe, asking their partners to beat them in the stomach, asking for medications in the community. even the two-visit requirement is too much for some women. women are means are going to travel to big cities, go out of state. the vast majority of texans

don't have health care coverage. we're 50th out of 50. no medicaid coverage for poor women in our state and vast majority of women don't have access to safe care with these restrictions but the same amount of women are still going to need abortion. >> amy, thank you for joining us from texas. we're going to have to leave it there. >> you're welcome. >> i do want to say this will be undoubtedly a continuing conversation here. we're trying to make the little steps toward making this a conversation we can have across difficult divides. amy in minneapolis does do her work in texas, in case you're wondering about that background. chloe angel, dr. parkerp blair kelly, david webb, thank you so much. i have to show these. my producer loren, a made for me tampon earrings. the texas state legislature said you can't bring tampons in when women were standing up for preproductive rights, weren't

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shoe factory. to save the factory he finds inspiration in the unlikeliest of sources, a drag queen lola. ♪ ♪ i'm thrilled to welcome to nerdland billy porter who played the fabulous lola in "kinky boots." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you end up being here in a moment when we were talking about the ability to have conversations across difference. in "kinky boots," the friendship is across every conceivable

difference, race, class, gender, self-expression. what can we learn from "kinky boots" in this moment? >> the show itself is about love and acceptance. the character of lola versus charlie are sort of polarized in the extremes. what i love about it is we get to have the conversation in context with, you know, a drag queen versus a manna black man versus a white man. the narrative of sort of the white savior narrative that has been flipped. >> yes. >> in this show. that tells the story about a black man, not only a black man but a black drag queen coming in to save the white people in a dress. >> and fabulous shoes. >> and fabulous shoes is just -- it's so amazing as an artist to be able to have that platform, to be able to be of service in that way. >> the performance that broke my

heart is the "i am not my father's son." >> yes. >> parents put a set of particularly gendered expectations on their children, if they don't meet them somehow end up being a fill you're, i feel like a failure around that. is there something about performance, culture, particularly about broadway that might give us entry into human experiences we have trouble having when we have a political conversation. >> i think that's what the arts does in general, storytelling does in general. it can frame these ideas and put them in context of storytelling in a way where it's not about shaming, it's not about wagging fingers, it's simply about presenting the fax and presenting a story. we all understand how to receive a story, how to receive a play or a movie. it lessens sometimes, i think

the responsibility of having to respond in any kind of way. >> all right. this is interesting. part of sitting in broadway is you, the viewer, watching the stage. i'm also watching all the folks around me. i'm thinking this complicated for people. here is a straight man, who is also a drag queen, who is black, who is in a friendship with a white, straight, sort of normative guy. i keep wondering are they getting it? when they laugh, are they laughing at lola, with lola? >> first of all, there still is a conversation we're having about whether lola is straight or gay. my conversation is that lola is gay, because as a black gay man and as a person who has lived his life, i've lived my life out and proud, it is irresponsible of me, i think, to come and show up and have this opportunity on this large scale and then to say

that the character is straight. so let me just make that clear. >> i thought you were doing this inversion like you were playing straight in the way so many straight folks have played gay. >> what i love is that's not actually the issue. the contenth of the show and the storytelling is not about sexuality but it's about the simple fact that accept an is first. you know, you change the world when you change your mind. we don't have to agree. we don't have to agree on things, but we can't put legislation in place that discriminates just because we disagree. >> the other thing that the play is about is the fabulousness of shoes. i wanted for the last question, i want to pause on that, because it really is about the fabulousness of shoes. i have a shoe fetish. i love shoes. >> as do i.

>> you all, in connection with kenneth cole, is that right? >> i just heard about that. >> around the human rights campaign, in fact, some of the shoes, these are not kenneth cole, some of them, fabulous red pumps will be giving money to human rights campaign, fabulous shoes can be connected to fabulousness of your politics. >> i love we're being able to have that kind of synergy, make sure that the message continues to get out to the people about just sichl lip acceptance. >> billy porter, thank you so much for hanging out in nerdland. >> thank you for having me. >> and playing loll ark. congratulations on winning -- being at the top of your game in this moment. >> thank you. >> this is a great thing. up next, we ask for your reaction of trayvon martin. what are the conversations you're having in your household. i'm going to talk a little about that when we come back.

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nerdland, you've already met my 11-year-old daughter parker of just over a week ago she sat with her father and watch the verdict in the zimmerman trial. in her distress she reached out via text message to me. hey, mom, watching you now. i can't believe this america has no justice. it makes me sick, so sick. parker was not alone in her sadness. joy ann reed's 16 year old son jamar wrote a piece for our website where he talked about his feelings. he wrote, when i heard the words not guilty, my heart sank. i was sad not only for the fact he was found not guilty but for a possible domino effect that i fear might happen. if a man can follow a kid that he was told not to follow, kill him and be not guilty in the eyes of the law, how worthless is a black man or a kid's life in this country or this world? the reactions touched off

conversations between parents and kids. because we knew many families were having these conversations, mhp invited you to share about how you were talking in the aftermath of the verdict. the response has been moving and heart wrenching. terry and marilyn wrote, i feel humiliated about the memories of all the instructions and warnings i have given my children. trayvon followed the advice i have given my children. my words seem completely inept now. wrote, her son is white and gay. while we are proud as heck of him, i worry like crazy his orientation puts him at risk much like the color of trayvon's skin puts him at risk. dawn and her husband shared, my husband and i had the talk with our 14-year-old son this weekend. we tried reassuring him not everyone had ill intentions. however in the society we live in today, you simply must be on guard.

on friday, president obama hinted that these conversations happening in american households across the country may also be happening in the white house. he offered that the children have as much to teach as the parents. >> this is a sign michelle and i talk a lot about. there are a lot of kids out there who need help, who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. is there more that we can do to give them a sense that their country cares about them and values them and is willing to invest in them. >> our children will inherit the nation we leave them. let us try before we go to make it a more perfect union. you can read the story of my conversation with parker last week and contribution of viewers to our conversation on the website, mhp decrease. that's our show today. thanks for watching. going to see you next saturday at 10:00 eastern.

right now time for a review of weekends with alex witt. hi, alex. >> thousands came out across the country on the justice for trayvon vigils. they were organized by reverend al sharpton's national action network. he will join me ahead. aclu exposes a program to monitor your every move. fast-food giant raising controversy about minimum wage struggles. why some are taking aim at mcdonald's. don't go anywhere. i'll be right back. and in this corner, the best generation of dawn power, platinum! [ bell dings ] here we go! [ female announcer ] dawn platinum power clean's micro-scrubbing enzymes give you the power of an overnight soak in 3 minutes, and 3 times more everyday grease cleaning ingredients. for all your dishes. so if you like dawn, you'll love platinum. [ sponge ] the champion! [ female announcer ] dawn platinum does even more... [ sponge ] so it's not a chore.

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