thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the right wing's ugly response to president obama's historic speech on race. it was a serious personal speech. but that's not what rush limbaugh heard. >> obama is all about creating chaos and upsetting the order of things. he is all about stirring the pot. and generally, involving things that have to do with race. this is i think what obama said is classic. it is entirely unsurprising. and furthermore, expected that he would go out and say something like this. he's got to keep his consistency happy. he's got to keep his base happy. he's got civil rights coalition breathing down his back because he hasn't acted mad enough about

this. so he goes out there and reads the script. >> creating chaos? stirring the pot? some of the most personal remarks we've heard from a president. but he's reading from a script? and rush wasn't the only one. >> for the president of the united states to get behind the microphone almost a week later, almost a week later to stoke what he believes, what he hopes -- i'm saying the truth -- will be fires emotionally, to pile on with sharpton, to pile on with holden. it's outrageous. >> the president was stroking fires? with me? why is it when someone speaks out for justice and equality, this is what some on the right say. but then sean hannity went to the depths of low. >> now the president saying trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. oh, this is a particularly

helpful comment. is that the president's admitting i guess because what, he was part of the choom gang and he smoked pot and he did a little blow. i'm not sure how to interpret that, because we know trayvon had been smoking pot that night. i'm not sure what that means. >> that's classy, sean. today he said those comments in -- were mostly said in jest. but not many folks are laughing. these right wingers will twist any statement to try to make the president and apparently trayvon martin into a thug. but don't take my word for it. just listen to my colleague joe scarborough, a republican, how he responded to hannity this morning. >> sean hannity has been ginning this up so badly that michael savidge, michael savidge has been saying that he has been irresponsible and that he is using race to gin up his ratings in a way that is bad for

america. that's is how extreme sean hannity's position has been. >> the right wing pundits are taking an irresponsible and divisive position. they are part of the problem. unfortunately, they're not part of the solution. joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver, democrat of missouri. and joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> good to be with you. >> congressman, let me go to you first. what is your reaction to these attacks on the president's speech? >> it is so sad and in some ways amazingly so. the president said simply and unagitatingly that our nation is better than the racial rancor that all too often creates a problem with us. he addressed an issue, and he did it i think in a very

personal and very profound way. >> very personal. >> i can't imagine anybody of good will becoming angry and hostile over the way he spoke. but i hope that the people around the country understand that -- that, you know, rejection of a fault-finder is what garlic is to a vampire. i think we just reject this kind of thing and continue to erase the racial divisiveness that has been a part of our country for too long. >> and i think regardless of one's opinion, you have yours, i certainly have mine. others certainly have theirs. i think if we're going to heal the nation in terms of moving forward in a concrete way, we've got to be able to put the issues out there. and our experiences. and joan, i think that's what

the president did with his own experience and appealing to everyone to come together and to have a conversation. a lot of us want more than the conversation. but he gets hit for even saying that. >> oh, reverend al, if they haven't listened to this speech, they have to go listen to it. we know that he is being hit by some from our side of the aisle for not saying enough. it was a beautiful, sober, balanced responsible, compassionate speech. he said that the system worked. he praised the judge and the jury. he talked about the issue of african-american crime and did not exonerate everybody over it. did not blame it all on racism. and he also said clearly and concisely that our country is getting better. we are getting better on racial issues. but the problem here, reverend al we have some race hustlers in this country. we have race hustlers who are preying on white grievance and turning everything this president says into the opposite. quite frankly, it's the opposite of what he actually said. they make money off it. that's why joe scarborough has been incredibly great on this issue. they're hurting the republican

party. they're getting rich off peddling white grievance to white people who don't even have grievances. and it's just awful. >> you know, congressman, one thing that was very much of note to me, as we've dealt with this whole question of the stand your ground law, even right-wing pundits as they criticize the president, but even john mccain commended the president and said that we ought to review stand your ground. john mccain. watch this. >> what i got out of the president's statement, which i thought was very impressive, is that we need to have more conversation in america. i think we econtinue to make progress. but there are events like this that highlight and emphasize the fact that we still have a long way to go. >> i thought that was a very mature statement from mccain, and i rarely agree with him. i mean, he had in my opinion a

very adult-like, mature statement there, congressman. >> you know, that's the old john mccain, the one that a lot of us appreciate. reverend, when we were adding on to our church, we had to buy a lot of property around the church. and so we had to have those houses torn down. and so i went over one day and asked one of the guys that was tearing down one of the houses if he could come take a look at my house and he wanted repairs made. and he said look, reverend, you're getting me confused with somebody who builds things. we tear down things. it is infinitely easier to be a detractor than a contractor. and a president in his statement was a contractor, trying to build a better america and those who are attacking him i think are still bitter, and most americans are trying to get better. >> now, joan, some on the right are also trying to accuse the president of ignoring crimes committed by african-americans.

listen to this. >> when a president speaks, it's to multiple audiences. so from the prism of self-defense, if you think of the young mother whose 2-year-old son was shot in the face by the two black teens that approached her in atlanta, and that baby died, why do presidents choose to speak about one case and not the other. it's why it's better maybe not to talk about any of them. they chose to talk about this one. >> first of all, the president has talked about cases where blacks committed crimes on blacks. he talked about -- let me show a case he talked about in chicago. and he and the first lady both spoke about it. the first lady flew in and went to the funeral of hadiya pendleton. >> last year there were 443 murders with a firearm on the streets of this city. and 65 of those victims were 18 and under. so that's the equivalent of a

new town every four months. >> hadiya pendleton was me, and i was her. >> so here the first lady went to the funeral. the president spoke about it. had the family as his guest at the state of the union address. and yet he doesn't talk about it? i mean, we can have different opinions. we can't have different facts, joan. >> dana perino just showed her ignorance to the world, her ignorance of president obama as well as ignorance of what an issue this is within the black community and what an issue this is within the social justice community. i know you have worked on it reverend al. no one is looking away from this problem. but we have multiple problems. and one of them was that an unarmed young man was shot dead for what he looked like. a that's a problem. black on black prime is another problem. well can talk than too. she is the only one who doesn't seem to be able to multitask and talk about different issues of justice. >> absolutely. we're going to keep dealing with

fighting and combatting black on black crime. but let's not, congressman, confuse the issues, because some of them are being cynical because they didn't want to deal with the issues. i challenge any one of them to call and tell me a black in chicago that shot and killed somebody, the police came while he was still standing over the dead body, and the police let him tell them a story and they sent him home. because that's what happened with zimmerman that caused me and others to react. and that is not what is going on with black-on-black crime. black-on-black crime is wrong and stand your ground is wrong. they're two different wrong. don't try the act like they're the flip side of the same thing because they are not. >> they are not. reverend, anybody who says that blacks don't address that issue simply doesn't know any black people, or they know apologists. look, as a pastor, as a minister, you and i and others

are constantly hitting on this issue. it's a very, very complicated issue. and it all relates whether it's black on black or the failure to address those problems, it's the issue of the black male. and we've got to deal with that because it's something that we have to live with every day. and i think it is absolutely horrible that somebody would even remotely suggest that the president of the united states is not concerned about something that is tearing about his hometown of chicago. >> congressman emanuel cleaver and joan walsh, we'll have to leave it there. thank you both for your time. >> good to be with you, reverend. ahead, thousands rally all over the country fighting for justice for trayvon. so where were all those riots the right promised? and some of the stars also came out for change. plus, the dream defenders enter night seven at governor rick scott's office. we'll talk live with the director of the city.

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>> senseless violence, it's a disease. and we as the people have a cure. we just have to come together. >> the parents of trayvon martin speaking at rallies this weekend in support of their son and in support of justice. tens of thousands of people gathered for rallies organized by my civil rights group, the national action network. even super stars like jay-z and beyonce turned out to help support trayvon's family and help support the cause. the rallies were held in 100 cities across america. they marched in new york, chicago, miami, and washington. they marched in seattle, cleveland, raleigh, and san francisco. and they marched in new orleans, milwaukee, dallas, and tampa. the cause was just.

the rallies were peaceful. but some on the right were predicting the opposite. here is what sean hannity was saying friday night before the rallies. >> some people are concerned that this is going to be stoking the embers, these rallies, and there is going to be incendiary rhetoric used. i will bet by the time i get back on the air monday, we're going to have a lot of tape of a lot of incendiary language. and i hope i'm wrong. >> guess what? he was wrong. here is the incendiary rhetoric we heard at the rallies this weekend. here is what people were actually saying. >> i see trayvon martin. he could have been one of mine. so i came out to support his family, his parents. >> black, white, asian, anybody should be out here because what happened is senseless. >> this is something that really affects everybody. it's an unjust law. >> this is something i plan on being a part of for the rest of my life. i plan on my kids being a part

of it. >> this isn't just about one day or one moment in time. this was about a movement. it was about fixing the law and reforming our criminal justice system. it was about justice for trayvon and justice for all americans. joining me now our goldie taylor and joe madison. at the naacp convention last year, joe was given an award for using media to promote civil rights. thank you for being here, and joe, congratulations. >> well, thank you. and i accept that award on behalf of all of us who understand what frederick douglass understood and other people who understand that journalists can be activists and have a responsibility. because we're the first drafters of history. i'm not a journalist. but we have to make sure that this is, as you say, not just a moment, but it is a movement. and so thank you very much. >> let me ask you quickly, joe,

because i have some got to go to goldie. do you think some of the right-wingers are disappointed that there wasn't violence and incendiary rhetoric at the rallies this weekend? they had whipped this fear up. >> of course they were disappointed. you know, there is an old country term. it's called poking the bear. and that's what they were doing. and the reality is that what they need to understand is this. that the country felt pain in what happened to trayvon martin. pain leads to passion. so what you saw was the passion in these marches and speeches. passion leads to what? purpose. >> right. >> and that's what you were talking about. what is now the purpose. what is our purpose. the purpose is to, one, change bad laws. stand your ground is bad law.

and so there is what we now have to do. >> and were very careful to tell people you must conduct yourself in a way that did not hurt your purpose. well could not have anything but peaceful protests. >> that's rite. >> let me go to you, goldie. i've been waiting to raise this to uyou. senator john mccain. i talked about him in the last segment. but i want to show this. he actually said over the weekend he supported the review of stand your ground laws. watch this. >> can also see that stand your ground law may be something that needs to be reviewed by the florida legislature or any other legislature that has passed such legislation. >> but you have 33 states, goldie, withstand your ground law. many of us raising the question about changing law. senator mccain saying that, someone that clearly was the candidate against president

obama saying yes, it's in my state. yes, florida ought to review it. does that bring us closer to an intelligent discussion and not be accused of all these kinds of adjectives that they're throwing on the right when you have john mccain saying yes, review these laws? >> you know, reverend, the good fight against bad laws like this will take uncommon allies to come together. and so it will mean that in these 33 state houses, many of them in red states, it will take friends from the other side of the aisle to get together with right-minded people to get these laws changed. you know, i've heard an awful lot about the incitement of riots, which of course never happened. riots happen for a reason. there are components to it. there are -- there is economic repression there is a breakage with local law enforcement. there is causation. there is a flash point. none of those things were

present before the very peaceful riots. and they certainly weren't present afterwards. >> you mean peaceful marches? there were no riots at all. >> i'm sorry. peaceful marches. and for people to categorize them really as riots, to make that as your definition would mean that everything that dr. king was maybe a riot. and we know that this is certainly not true. >> though they accused him of that, though. >> they certainly did. and those interest same voices, ironically enough, who are accusing us of that today. at the end of the day, the very people who are saying that, you know, violent riots broke out. they're the very same people who believe that there was something sinister about trayvon martin. they're the very same people wh.

so here you see more than double the percentage of blacks believe there is unequal treatment than whites. we see the same thing differently. >> and, you know, it's just like the old discussion about black-on-black crime. yes, it's true, as you said in the last segment. 90% of black people killed by handguns are killed by black people. well, guess what? we found there also statistics that show 86 of white people who are killed by handguns are killed by white people.

but you never hear anyone talk about white-on-white crime. look, the reality is that people base their perspectives on their experience. '63

march, what did they do? they changed the laws. the '65 voting rights act. you change law.

the state of florida is ground zero in the fight to repeal stand your ground laws. for seven days and six long nights, group known as the dream defenders have taken over governor rick scott's office at the florida state capitol in tallahassee. 40 of them will be spending the night inside the building. they're demanding the governor convene a special legislative session to address the state's stand your ground law and a new civil rights bill, the trayvon martin act. ♪ >> whose world is this? >> the world is ours, the world

is ours, the world is ours. >> whose world is this? >> the world is ours, the world is ours, the world is ours. >> here in the state of florida, here in america period, repeal stand your ground. repeal sb -- repeal zero tolerance policies. because they matter. these kids here, they matter. to me, they matter to florida, and governor rick scott, they think they matter to you. >> governor rick scott was finally forced to answer questions. but has refused to meet their demands. but the defenders have no plans on leaving. law enforcement says they are allowed to stay as long as they don't disrupt official business. and now support for their cause is growing. joining me now is the political director of the dream defenders,

sierra taylor. she organized the protest and has spent several nights in the capitol. thank you for being here tonight, sierra. >> thank you so much for having me. >> how is the group holding up? >> they're holding up so well. we all are. we are just feeding off of each other's positive energy and the support that we have had from the community in tallahassee as well as around the country. >> now, governor rick scott has been forced to answer this issue because you brought it so front and center dramatically. and on thursday, i want you to listen to what he told the press on this issue. listen to this. >> i put together a task force of 19 individuals, bipartisan. they travel the state. they listen to ordinary citizens. they listen to experts. and they concluded that we didn't need to make a change to the law, and i agreed with their conclusion. >> thank you. >> yep. >> thank you, everyone. >> will you call a special session, governor, on civil

rights? will you call a special session, governor, on civil rights? governor, why are you in such a hurry to leave? >> why are you in such a hurry to leave? good question. what are your thoughts on that task force, ciara? >> my thoughts are as they have always been that the task force was just a complete sham, you know. governor -- the governor keeps saying that he can be in a task force to look into stand your ground. but we knew from the moment that we heard the names of the people who are going to be on the task force that the task force was inherently biased. because a lot of the people who were on it helped create it, or at least were open supporters of stand your ground, rather. >> now, a lot of people might wonder why i'm raising this. but the stand your ground law directly impacted the case of george zimmerman and trayvon martin and is why we had this great movement that many of us were dealing with nationally.

since this happened and larly in over 100 cities this weekend. the florida defense law cited in the jury instruction reads, quote. this is the jury instruction the judge gave to the jury that determined the fate of george zimmerman. she wrote -- she instructed the judge "if george zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground. does your group feel stand your ground is partially responsible for the death of trayvon martin and the resulting case? >> yes, yes. the dream defenders do feel as though stand your ground was a part of what allowed george zimmerman to walk free today to get the not guilty verdict. however, we also feel that other

legislation that disproportionately affects black and brown people like zero tolerance policies and racial profiling within law enforcement are also a part of what allowed george zimmerman to walk free. because we talk about it as the criminalization of our youth. and we feel as though that's what killed trayvon martin. >> now, florida state senator chris smith appeared on msnbc this morning. let me play you what he said. >> if the legislature comes back and we don't even discuss it again, if we just put our heads in the sand and pretend everything is fine, you will see voices growing. and i wouldn't be surprised if it gains more momentum if we don't at least discuss it. and that's why we've been pressing the legislature to at least hear the bills. at least let's start the discussion, let's do what the president has said, let's do what senator mccain has said, let's at least have that discussion in the legislature. last year they avoided it. this year is the time to at least act and discuss the

issues. >> what is your response to senator smith? >> we agree with the senator smith. we actually supported his reform bill of stand your ground. and he is absolutely right. you know, if they continue to ignore the crisis that is on our hands in florida, it can only get worse. >> ciara taylor of the dream defenders. thank you so much for joining us. and good luck. >> thank you. and i hope to see you on friday. >> all right. i'll be looking forward to it. coming up, note to speaker boehner, you're a lawmaker. he says something so out, there it was actually funny. next. i turn ed 65 last week. i turn the math of retirement is different today. money has to last longer. i don't want to pour over pie charts all day. i want to travel, and i want the income to do it. ishares incomes etfs. low cost and diversified. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock.

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the speaker of the house has a pretty interesting take on how his leadership should be judged. >> any way you cut it and whoever's fault it is, you have presided over what is perhaps the least productive and certainly one of the least popular congresss in history. how do you feel than? >> well, bob, we should not be judged on how many new laws we create. we ought to be judged on how many laws that we repeal. >> does the speaker understand

that he is a lawmaker? a lawmaker is defined as, quote, one who makes laws, not a law repealer, not a law ender, a lawmaker. but his theory firefighters should be judged by how many fires they start. >> we should not be judged on how many new laws we create. we ought to be judged on how many laws that we repeal. >> well, mr. speaker, you've tried to repeal health care 39 times. and you failed 39 times. you're not even successful by your own standards. and look at what you're trying to get rid of. it's a law that has given almost a million young people coverage. it's helped more than eight million americans get rebates from their insurance. and it saves senior billions in prescription drug costs. sorry, mr. speaker, the health care law is working, though i

can't say the same for you. joining me now are angela rye and dana milbank. thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you, rev. >> dana, is that how we're judging our lawmakers these days, by how many laws they repeal? >> what great logic. i keep telling my editors i should be judged by how many columns i don't write, and and they never seem to buy it. you know what? there is a little secret for speaker boehner here. they're not even doing a good job of repealing laws. if you want to repeal a law you have to pass a law to repeal a law. well, basically, they're doing absolutely nothing at all. although that's not really fair. just as this congress has passed fewer laws than any other, it's had more votes than any other. so basically, this is the wheel-spinning congress that just can't agree on anything. >> now angela, you know republicans are so oposed to this health care law that they are refusing to even help their constituents with it. the hill report, i'm going to

read this to you. some republicans indicated they will not assist constituents in navigating the law and obtaining benefits. that's outrageous. >> it is outrageous. i think that a lot of members of congress forget that they're not just politicians, they're also elected officials. >> right. >> there to serve their constituents regardless of party and whether or not they agree with the law. not only have they gone about trying to repeal this bill over 30 plus times, they also refuse to acknowledge that the supreme court has also spoken. it's interesting because we just are finishing up a week where a jury spoke. the president said a jury spoke regardless of how many people, you know, whether or not they agree with what the jury said or not. but the same party can't support what the supreme court has said. it's very interesting. >> and at the same time, dana, one gop senator actually said that he doesn't think his party can repeal the law. listen to this. >> right now there are some popular things, as you know with obama care.

a lot of people are pleased that if you have a kid that can't get a job until 26, he can stay on your plan. and do you risk some backlash if you end up just choking it? >> perhaps we could if that happened. but remember, the way we have worded "$,5wdthis, we're talkint further cenforcement and implementation of obama care. so we're not talking about those things. >> so they're not even talking about fully repealing the law. i mean, what is it that they're talking about, dana? >> reverend, this is government by demolition. and the whole idea with all these repeal votes, there have been 67 if you count the various ones they've tried, including the ones that republicans have forced in the senate. the whole idea is to undermine the law, to make people think it's going to be repealed so there is more resistance to it. the whole idea is to poison people against the law and against government. it's not just the health care law. republicans have been complaining for years that democrats wouldn't pass a budget in the senate. democrats passed a budget in the senate. well, guess what? the house republicans won't appoint people to negotiate a

compromise. so the whole idea is to throw sand into the gears and prevent anything from happening. >> but you know, angela, paul krugman writes something that may get to the court of problem. he says the gop is attacking this law because, and he writes, conservatives are right to be hysterical about this. it's an attack on everything they believe. and it's going to make americans' lives better. what could be worse? is that really what we're dealing with here? >> i absolutely know that's what we're dealing. with in part because in 2010, part of their strategy was they were going to work on repealing and replacing, and somehow they got very similarly situated to what is in the affordable care act already. they're going to have to address many of the same issues and concerns that are plaguing so many americans. so what is worse is them actually having to address the second part of their alleged

strategy, which is replacing. >> and you know, dana, like for example in new york, i've seen over the weekend that the premiums were dropped by at least 50% in new york.a$ and today jennifer hudson and other celebrities at the white house, just this afternoon for meeting really to talk about how they can be helpful in educating the country's youth on the affordable care act. how important are efforts like this in educating the public about the law, dana? >> it's very important that the white house and democrats push back on this. i think they've been a bit lax about this, and are now finally realizing they've got a very good story to tell here. and another piece of that story is angela saying the repeal and replace. eric cantor, the majority leader in the house tried to replace wit a bill. and guess what? his own caucus was so opposed to it, they forced him to withdraw it. so they can't even pass sort of mom and apple pie things in the

house. now it's completely broken down. >> now angela, is it wise then with having celebrities like jennifer, is it wise then to just go outside the beltway and just start really break do you think to the american people what the bill, what it does, and really talking directly to the american people? >> absolutely. and the administration already has. there are tons of different efforts in place to educate people on implementation. of course, there are many folks in the country who really believe that it's been repealed. the miseducation on this is really bad. so there are tons of implementation efforts already in play. we know that the repeal is going to get stuck there in the house. the senate is not going to vote to repeal affordable care. we have to educate the masses. >> at the end of it all when we get past the politics, the question is the policy helping americans? and when we see the base, when we see the seniors, when we see people with preexisting conditions, we see young people

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it's time for "reply al." keep sending me all your questions. friend or foe, i want to know. mary writes how can the lgbt and the african-american communities work more closely together on

issues of justice and discrimination? because people that believe in justice and discrimination, especially those that have been discriminated against for any other reason than the content of their character should naturally fight for justice and discrimination. you cannot be against discrimination yourself if you're not against it for everyone and willing to work with everyone for it. how's sybrina and tracy and family? please let them know that on sunday i placed the family and parents of trayvon martin on our church prayer list. we will continue praying for them. they are as strong as any family i have ever worked with in the years i've been out here, and they're very spiritual. i'm sure they appreciate your prayers and you putting them on your church's prayer list as they are both regular church goers and firm believers.

i really think that's the way they would appreciate your prayers. and finally tonight, we give a "politicsnation" welcome to the royal baby. the town cryer made the dramatic announcement about the new prince today. >> here ye, hear ye, the first born of the duke and duchess, may he be long lived. and one day reign over us. god save the queen. >> the official announcement was placed outside of buckingham palace after the birth. the little prince born at

4:24 p.m. local time and weighed 8 pounds 6 ounce. congratulations to william and kate on their baby. and i have a little gift for you. here it is. it's amqt/"úc "politicsnation" for the little prince. we hope he wears this while he is watching us. and i have a blueberry pie for his parents. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. black and white? let's talk about black and white. let's play "hardball." let me start tonight with this. a national moment of epiphany. that's what we're having right now in america. it's about trayvon martin and something bigger. it's about the box this tragedy came in, the national environment in which black men are type cast, aed