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requiring a permit for d demonstrations. >> walker is acting like a typical school yard bully. >> maybe a thousand tomorrow. >> i feel like it's an injustice. >> moving wisconsin forward and people want to continue down that path. we need to do that nationally as well. >> this is the kind of candidate that republicans wanton a negligen national level /* /-. >> ♪ walk this way, talk this way ♪ >> folks on the ed show, well, he's back. take a look that guy, scott walker. while the national media is looking at chris christie, rand paul and ted cruz, there is also this guy, governor scott walker of wisconsin. he is quietly putting together

the presidential bid for 2016. you remember this guy. this guy made his mark in 2011 by signing some of the most anti-worker legislation and conservatives absolutely adore him for it. a move which drove tens of thousands of protesters in madison, washington to the capitol to make sure their voices were heard. this man took away rights for unions to bargain, get better pay and job security and benefits just to hang on to what they had. he expanded a taxpayer finance school voucher program at the expense of public schools. think about that. in midst of a financial crisis, he started making austerity cuts. he cut a billion dollars out of the education budget and fired teachers. he cut taxes for the wealthiest. that's right. he cut income taxes. he signed a mentor requiring women seeking an abortion it view an ultra sound before the procedure.

so he's right in on the republican war on women. it makes sense that republicans just love this guy. his only challenge right now is name recognition. that's why he is on the rubber chicken circuit. scott walker is looking to cash in on all of this. that right, folks. governor scott walker wants to be president scott walker. how do we know? take a look at this map. this tells you all you need to know. these are the states where scott walker has visited just this year. and on the heels of raising millions of dollars. he is raising money and teaching other state legislators how to go after workers. how to destroy unions. this is what he talks about. i mean, it's not concentrated in one portion of the country, is it? he is trying to be a national candidate. now if you're looking for a new paper weight or if you want to

paper train your puppy or line your bird cage, he's going to give you the opportunity. he's got a book out this fall. the title of the book is "unintimidated, a governor's story and a nation's challenge". now on friday, walker gave the keynote speech at western conservative summit in colorado. while walker was out campaigning and promoting himself, dozens of his constituent, back in his home state of washington, were being arrested in the capitol for singing. you heard me right. for singing. throw woeks after a federal judge said wisconsin could legally require permits for group under 20 it started. every weekday since march 20011, a group of walker protesters participated in what they call a sing-along at the capitol. it is enthusiastic at their

part. now they are being arrested. by friday, who than 60 people had been arrested. since when do you have to have a permit to exercise your constitutional right as free speech? i thought these righties love free speech. this is what scott walker's government looks like. you know what else scott walker's government looks like in in 2012 wisconsin ranked 33 among 50 states in the private sector for growth. that of course is the lower second half. lets it continues to trail the national growth rate as well and at the current pace, there's going to be about 124,000 private sector jobs created by the time walker's term ends in 2015. that's half of the 250,000 jobs that walker promised to create on the campaign trail. and wisconsin's average wages still lag behind the national average. walker's government rejected medicaid expansion. his budget will force 90,000 low

income people off the state's badger care program and into the federal system. where they will face cost increases. so basically to recap, folks, this is the man who i think is the sleeper candidate for the republican party. his policies are anti-worker. he is right in on the anti-woman agenda. he is trying to privatize education in his state. and he is leaving his own constituents without affordable healthcare. sounds familiar, doesn't it? he is arresting people who disagree with him for exercising their constitutional right to free speech. if that what the republicans want to hold up on the national stage, coming up in 2016, i believe one old politician said, bring it on. he offered a perfectly packaged example of what is wrong with the republican party. he is the corporate golden boy right now. he is not getting the publicity buzz he doesn't say the flashy

things that christie does. aeb he is not out there getting the national headlines. but behind the scenes, if you look closely at his machine, he is doing everything i think correctly. he is laying all the bricks. laying the foundation. to do what he has to do. and he is kind of the say anything do anything you tell him to do politician. wait until you gets in front of the wall streeters. they will love this guy because he bends quickly, big time. and he is a selfish guy. he doesn't like workers. he doesn't believe in middle class. he may be the perfect candidate for the republicans. in fact, he will be the best debater on the stage. you wait and see. get yourself on. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, who would you like to see the republican nomination go to? text a for scott walker, text b to chris christie.

or go to our blog. we will bring you the results later on in the show. joining me is washington poekstj payi pagan. he has to have ledge lative help to get all of this done. is this what wisconsin is all about, is the badger state changing under this i go? >> well, it's been transformed. i mean we have been taken over and you have been covering this story a lock time, ed, so you know about the 30 million walker spent in the recall effort against him. he brought money into this politics and this state like never before and 75% of the money came from outside the state. just as he is on a national tour gearing up for his presidential campaign he is bringing outside interest into the state and he

has a powerful machine. he now controls all three branches of government. he is in the governor's mansion. our legislature which used to be democratic is republican in both houses. there is a lot of outside money that's gone into buying those seats. he has incredible power and for that handful of people who continue to show up at the capitol to sing solidarity forever, it turns out he can physically drag them out of our capitol building. it is pretty amazing to see what is happening here. >> what is the reaction of people there, ruth, to the arrests taking place and are they blaming walker for this? >> absolutely. the day after walker had those 22 singers arrested, and by the way, i have my solidarity sing along book here. in case we want to have a solidarity sing along in a couple of minutes. these are people i know. these are retired teachers. progressive magazine. you know, folks who work downtown. really peaceable people coming

to the capitol, singing their songs, day after day for 2 1/2 years. nice people who have been happy to step aside if there is a wedding or other public event. he has dragged them away, the next day of after he dragged away the 20 singers, there were 2200 people in the capitol. he is doing the opposite of dragginging away folks. >> he is doing exactly what the koch brothers want. he is going after public employees, going after employees. cutting education, trying to privatize. is he the sleeper? is he a i go that republicans really should invest in? >> i think you're right that he is a sleeper. i kind of hear you rooting for are for him because i think you would like to argue with him for about two years. >> since you brut that up, i want to tell you, next weekend we are broadcasting from minnesota. it is very interesting. what ruth was saying about the political power of scott walker just across the river, mark daton has the political power and you see a democrat ing run

state and republican run state. and there is a drastic difference as to which state is moving forward. but along the lines after national sleeper, on the heels after wisconsinite being on the last ticket, do you think national republicans would accept a guy from wisconsin if he is doing the all the right things? what do you think, ej. >> i think there is one guy wh might get in the way of that and that paul ryan, also from wisconsin. and also if ryan want it run, i think he could get in walk are's way. republicanes have an interesting problem here because they've got ryan and walker from wisconsin. they got marco rubio and jeb bush from florida. so there's going to be a lot of sorting out to do. but on those demonstrations a lot of conservatives like to call themselves libertarian. many of them actually are libertarian. i would love to see some libertarians step up and say,

look, it is an a libertarian thing to do, to go to the judge and get in the way of free speech and free assembly. maybe ruth can sing to that song to book it expression views on that. >> john saying where is walker vulnerable in your opinion? >> i think you're right, ed. in saying he is probably the gop candida candidate with the best chance of being completely hug humilia hillary clinton. >> or joe biden. >> or joe biden. leaving out he turned around $810 million for a rail line connectioning milwaukee to manson. he also opposes hospital visitation for lgbt couples. scott walker brought his fate aechb he has been very public.

that's his driving rational for draconian abortion legislation that won't be popular with the general public and the general election. despite the fact jesus never said anything about abortion but he was quite specific about how to treat the less fortunate. when you lock at scott walk are's record, collective bargaining rights for teachers hurts the deficit but tach cuts for gazillion airs doesn't. that's the crown jewel in scott walker's kingdom of corn dog. >> ruth, he is not a washingtonite. does that help him? does that help republicans? >> maybe. he has this folksy appeal. he gave a speech in indiana and couple of right wing blockers called him awesome sauce. he has a plain style speaking pch if you look at the results of his tenure here in wisconsin, we are dragging behind the rest of the region in job creation. and every time he has a job

summit with our legislature, we have more forced ultra sound bills and cancellation cancellation of sex ed bills. so it is clear in wisconsin we aren't doing well under scott walker. i think the nation might look at that. >> e.j., when you look at walker and the candidates, they have to say where they stand on the nsa. could this be his weakness? i don't even know where he stand on this right now. but he has to formulate an opinion that will pick either the radicals or going to pick, if they are still left, pick mainstream republicans still left. what do you think? >> i think this is big problem in the republican prty though. when you lock at that vote in the house it also split democrat. but you have a very substantial group of republicans who are critical of this. would you think that given walker's record he would lean toward the libertarians on that. but he is also a social

conservative. i think it is hard choice for him politically and it will tell us a lot about which kind of conservative is he really, depending on which side he comes out on that. >> john, at the end of the day, how many jobs did you create? they've been working over president obama saying he hasn't created enough jobs. >> he is prove, ed, this struggle isn't between conservatives and liberals. i was playing madison throw times last year. if you are looking no for role models, dent lock for politicians. i think it is great we are 50 years later seeing a crack down on folk music. scott walker been around 50 years ago, if he listened to beatles, we could have listened to pat boone still. i would love to see the eyes of america turn those in the capitol. they out there petitioning for grievances as founding fathers did every single day and they

make me proud to be an america. >> john, ruth, e.j., thanks for being with us on "the ed show" tonight. appreciate it. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of your screen. share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. we always want to know what you think. love your comment. conservatives still uptight with me because i again expose exactly what down in detroit and who's at fault. we will bring another motor city bluff when we come back. football season is right around the corner. believe it or not, nfl is considering putting its players under the microscope in a big way. we will talk about that later with sports writers, when we come back. [ crickets chirping ] but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? [ exhales deeply ] [ male announcer ] well there is biotene. specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants, biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy, too. [ applause ]

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detroit is just, you know, the death star of major cities. violent crime is rampant. police response time is an hour. half the street lights don't

work. >> i find your lack of disturbing. >> welcome back to the ed show. conservatives made the jump to light speed when it comes to bashing detroit. they are all engineers, have yo noticed that? they don't know anything about investment and they don't care. they are targeting unions to take all of the blame for the city's bankruptcy. >> a lot of people, including myself, to be quite frank, from the joud site looking in feel unions bear a huge amount of responsibility for the problems that detroit has right now. >> one thing certain is that unions as well as management madert made terrible his takes in overreaching. >> the model becomes unus is stinable. >> what got detroit no that trouble? >> unfunded liability. what are unfunded liabilities? healthcare.

pensions. social security. pensions. government that you cannot afford. >> they've known for 15 or 20 years this day was going to arrive. unions wouldn't renegotiate contracts. >> this is the most predictable problem if the world for detroit. >> you look at detroit and see how bad the axis there is. >> a lesson for not just unions but all-american cities. don't overpromise and overspend. >> don't you just feel the love for american workers? don't you just love the feel for community? don't you just get the community spirit when you hear these people talk? they are all expert and are all in denial as to what really caused the mammoth financial problems for the city of detroit and none of them have any solutions other than to give up and surrender. george will, not only blaming the people of detroit, he also insulted them on national television this morning.

>> can't solve the problem. you have 179 square miles. you can graze cattles in vast portions. dogs roam in there. 3% of fourth graders read at national math standard. 47% of detroit residents are illiterate. they don't have a fiscal problem. they have a cultural collapse. >> mr. will, i will debate you any time, any place on what has happened to detroit and what is happening in our inner cities. and deindustrialization of this country. any time, you name it. or just have coffee with you. you are void of the fact. you have come to conclusions about black people. have you come to conclusions about cities that are underresourced. you have come to the con clougs that it is not important to

respect elections in this country. i thought conservatives liked elections. here to talk about the real problems facing detroit are bob king president of the united auto workers. we will find out if the unions are the big problem and reverend wendel anthony of the naacp. gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. the truth about detroit, we're cherry picking here. at least conservatives are. mr. king, i want you to respond to h of the things you have just heard and how you are the villain. you folks who make a living. you folks who have healthcare and a pension, you are the problem for detroit. respond to that, sir, please. >> it is outrageous. and it's a lie. the unions in detroit it the largest representative of employees. they have made tremendous concessions over years to help the city. they are 50% below chicago and new york. lower than other places in

michigan by 25%. average pension in detroit is like 18 or $19,000. these are workers who dedicated their lives to the city of detroit. the promises made to them must be lived up to. it is a moral outrage that people are talking about cutting pensions or cutting healthcare of retirees in the city of detroit. >> mr. king, that really is the ruthnessness of all of this, isn't it? there there's a real callous attitude to those who apointed themselves in power of this city to go after p em who have worked the beat. who have done city work for 30 years and all of a sudden they have to serve it up. there's a terrible unfairness to all of this. it amazes me how this escapes the moral component, esscapes the conversation when it comes to conservatives. bun homeowner last night says wrecking crews are tearing down homes in his neighborhood. here it is. >> and this is the state of

michigan, coming into a neighborhood they know nothing about with preconceived notion that all of detroit is just some vast waste land with abandoned buildings that they knock down willy-nilly, not understanding that this is an upper class neighborhood that people desire to live in. it is stable community. it is near one of the best elementary schools in the city. and we have some of the best housing stock in the country and they started knocking down homes you with the consulting the community using federal tax dollars to do. >> reverend anthony, is this a civil rights issue at this point? >> it is one of the moral challenges, ed. i'm so glad you take the time to talk to people. who the brother said is right on point. this notion that detroit should just fall off the cliff is not one of our nation. they haven't been to detroit. they've not been to my neighborhood. they've not been to the schools. they don't know the real issues.

what they are dealing with is a philosophical thrust that we now have an opportunity to change the financial structure of the nation. what detroit needs is for people to reinvest of her. you can deal outside the context of how detroit got into this position. the government hasn't put money back in detroit which it owes detroit. to know the hypocrisy, ed, they passed a law overnight saying that even though we are in bankruptcy that the detroit institute of arts and joint zoo is untouchable. in other ward, we want to have picassoor people. you can skamt picasso but you can tax pensioner answers retirees. you can invest in other areas but can't put money into the development of communities. one of the problems we had is that the money goes into the state does not come to the city.

the state is using money to plug up their own holes. we have demolition going on and homes rehabilitated. come to my neighborhood. >> okay. i'm going to do that. >> come take a bite of detroit. >> i'm going to take that as an invitation. i have been there before. i spoke it a church group a little over a year ago. there was a tremendous amount of angest in the community. reverend, what about them picking an choosing houses. the government tagging homes, and state government, tagging homes without input from the community. how can anybody support that? doesn't that surprise you? >> it does. the state has x amount of dollars. a hundred million from demolition. but the city knows where the homes are. every home, ed, does not need to be knocked down. some homes can be renovated and rehabilitated. we also need to match young people and adults with these homes so they can do job training. get jobs available. to do training. that's the assistance detroit

needs. in a city that bankrupt, we need $450 to $600 million and guarantee the bonds after downtown arena and not guarantee the pensions -- >> gosh, i haven't heard any of the conservatives talk about that, bob king. i haven't heard conservatives talk about that investment. what about it, bob. >> it is outrageous. what reverend anthony said is right. we need people to come and reinvest in detroit. the auto industry was tremendously successful. it was all coming together. that's what has to happen. not just in detroit but in cities around the country. it is so outrageous that this government is sit og an rainy day fund. totally distorted revenue sharing in the state of michigan. municipalities throughout the state. not just he can troit but through out the state not in our share of revenue. other municipalities of state,

state said let's do one tax and we will share the revenue. they are not sharing the revenue. the state is getting value of the auto industry jobs created not by this governor but by govern govern governor grandholm. billions of dollars invested. >> what our guest said last night, mr. gaties, and what you two gentlemen are saying here tonight, i don't hear on fox news. i don't hear from the conservative george wills of the world or anything like that. gentlemen, thanks for telling the truth. >> that's why it is called, fox, ed. >> glad you're with us, reverend. >> can i mention this real quick. real quick. there is a bill, a legislation that senator graham and also congressman trying to put together to put detroit as a model. >> that's the scary thing. bob king, i wanted to bring this up for you.

this could be a model for cities to go after cities to kill unions. >> that's right. democrats nationally -- >> bob go ahead. >> thanks to senator and others beating this back because don't use detroit as a whooping board. >> gentlemen we got to run. >> and blame us for bleeding. >> bob king, reverend wendel anthony, great to have you with us. we will stay on this story. a model for america, no doubt. coming up, nfl focus on tattoos and players violence overlooks a much bigger problem around the league. bill rudd joins me for the discussion. later, new york city maror or candidate. the real issues facing new yorkers. but next i'm taking your questions live in our ask ed live segment. stay with us. we're right back. [ male announcer ] this is betsy. her long day of pick ups and drop offs begins with arthritis pain... and a choice. take up to 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief.

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show." we love hearing from our viewers. tonight, the first question comes from adam. will the house republicans ever get off their butts an pass some jobs bill already? no. they will not. they will not help this president or the economy. they are running out the clock. they don't believe in the president's or democrats philosophy of a public/private partnership to create jobs. our next question, do you think there will be a government shut down this fall? no, i don't. i think there is a bunch of cheap sound bites. they will try it scare the hell out of you. but they know if they shut the government down they will pay a real price in mid terms in 2014. they can't afford to do it. it gez into the history books. if you look at what newt grinning did in the '90s

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could address the situation involving aaron hernandez today. a sad day on so many levels. our thought and prayers are with the family of the victim. and i extend my sympathy really to everyone whose been impacted. >> welcome back to the ed show. that's a new england pat head coach bill belichick. aaron hernandez, tight end, excellent player, accused of

shooting and kidding oden lloyd in massachusetts on june 17 as a result of the upcoming murder trial the nfl is considering using police experts to give analysis of prospects tattoos that they were on the body looking for gang symbols. meanwhile the nfl is doing nothing to stop their biggest problem, players carrying guns. usa today article point out that three out of four players own firearms and carry. for more on this, let's turn to new york times sport columnist bill rudd. billing with thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> when i heard the nfl was going to start examining tattoos on players, is this reaction to a pr effort or are they concerned about players having wrong connections. >> that a great connection. the nfl is going nuts. the gangs are a problem but the

real problem is the guns. the nfl is tap nothing a culture. younger, young are, younger culture. and they have no idea of how to really relate it all of the things that thing aboutage that comes with this culture. they are fishing. how do we do that? how do we get great talent? how do we do talent? nurture end passed along like hernandez. and buy the time we get them, it is in them. already formed. i think they are trying. they are trying to examine tattoos -- >> what do they do, bring in police expert and examine players in the nude and have them explain what this is or what that is? >> and what happens if a guy is in a gang? >> what do they do? >> you can't play because you're in a gang? it is a thorny subject.

but you mentioned what is crucial, guns and gangs. nt fl can do something about gangs -- guns. they can do something about guns. >> why do nfl players carry firearms? >> i think the same reason why our people in our culture in general. guys will tell you that they fear tore their lives. that people know their salaries. i think there is a fascination with stuff they couldn't have before. some of the greatest gun collections in the country belong to a lot of athletes. >> athletes make an awful lot of money. they have the wherewithal to isolate themselves. does the nfl talk to them and counsel them on who they hang out with and where they go? and do they talk to them about owning firearms? >> absolutely. they've got this to an art at the beginning of every year. they give speeches, lectures. but that's okay. once you have the money in your hand, it is a tough situation.

hernandez just embarrassed the not tire league. >> is this trial that hernandez being charged with murder, is this going to change the focus of nfl teams and how they screen players? the screening is very intense. in fact, the word on hernandez, that he could have been a problem and belichick's response is, i don't care, he can catch a football. >> see, and that is the problem. as patriots try to tell you, they had no inkling of this, they are nuts. that disingenerous and in florida -- all these guys knew about this guy's problem because he could catch a ball. and we see this time and time again. and the problem and that is another segment for another show, but the problem is that this high school college level where talent is like this addiction. and as long as these coaches are addicted, this kind of stuff is happening. he can catch a ball. >> athletes in our culture are absolutely revered. when you have people -- >> less so now.

>> it is getting worse. >> it is almost idolship. i want it play another clip of bill belichick's press conference. here it. >> i can tell you we look at every player's history from the the moment we start discussing it, going back to his family. where he grou up. grew /* what his lifestyle wag like. high school, college experiences. we evaluate his performance, intelligence. his work ethic. his motivation. his maturity. his improvement. and we try to project that into our organization. >> here is a quick look at what the patriots must have seen before signing hernandez. he was arrested for a bar fight in 2007. questioned about a shooting after a football game in 2007. failed multiple drug test in college. an official from another nfl team said the character problems

were bad enough to remove his name from a draft list. bill, do football teams throw morals and character out the window depending on the skill level of the player? >> absolutely. they do it a proportion of the time. the greater the tealent, the moe they drop. they extended him. they gave him a big contract. >> so a team may make a calculation. if we can control this kid for a couple of years. get two, two and half years out of him, get to the playoffs, monitor him, this will be to our benefit. we will take the risk. >> this is a talent driven industry. in all fairness, majority of nfl players are not like this. but the problem we've got is that talent runs it. >> back to the tattoos for a moment. will the signal to prospects not to do that kind of stuff. >> of course not. >> they don't do it. >> particularly if they can catch the football. >> great to have you with us.

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but not for reasons you might think. the problem? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains $5 billion a year from post office revenue while the postal service is forced to overpay billions more into federal accounts. congress created this problem, and congress can fix it. tonight, america's favorite half term governor sarah palin. on friday night, palin went on greta's show on fox. she claims she was muzzled by republican brainiacs and elitists. >> ways banned from talking about jeremiah wright and obama's friend bill air sets character he befriended and kicked off his political campaign in the guy's living room p couldn't talk about that. couldn't talk about obama ae lack of knowledge and job experience and the things that

he said, like america had 57 states. things like that. in the campaign. greta, this is important for americans to understand. i want allowed to talk about things like that because those elitists, those who are the brainiacs in the gop machine running john mccain's campaign at the time said the media would eat us alive if we brought up those things. what did that get us, though? what that got us, this complacency and self sensorioring of a campaign that we weren't able to tell the truth about this campaignist, barack obama. this list of scandals. this is the red nick version of the tactics, of karl rove, this is the red nick version after white board. on this lists scandals that are detroying america, greta. >> absolutely priceless.

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welcome back to "the ed show." the story that makes you take a shower afterward. national media is having a field day with what's going on in new york, the abe thonny weiner and sexting scandal. there are real workers who are concerned about what the focus is of this whole thing. we're about to elect a new mayor to the nation's largest city for first time in 11 years. there's a lot at stake, jobs, health care, housing, disaster relief and education. the leading candidate is an openly gay woman, christine quinn. the city could make john liu its first mayor. and last time thompson ran for

mayor he was fighting a big money battle against billionaire michael bloomberg. bloomberg outspent thompson 10-1. this time christine quinn is leading the pack in the polls. she's grabbed several union endorsements and the weiner scandal could force a runoff election. quinn's campaign is getting national exposure because of the weiner scandal, but she's having to explain her controversial position taken on the stop and frisk policy. >> you have raised constitutional questions about stop and frisk and yet you still support it. why? >> i think stop and frisk can be used in a way that keeps us safe. when i'm mayor, you'll see the number of stops go down. we'll be focused on quality stops that keep us safe and that are done in a constitutional way not just a rash to stop everyone. >> one of quinn's top political rivals joins us tonight. democrat bill thompson running for mayor of the city of new

york who barely lost to michael bloomberg four years ago. let's talk about that issue, stop and frisk. where do you stand on it? >> i'm not opposed to stop and frisk, but what i have said the way it's been used in the city of new york, it's been miss used and abused. 600,000 of them were black and hispanic and stopped for no other reason than who they are and what they look like, then it's wrong. a useful tool misused by this administration. >> has bloomberg done a good job? >> in some things yes, in other things, no. kind of a mixed bag. when you look at keeping the city of new york safe, there's been safety in the city of new york. at what cost? when you didn't have to use and misuse stop and frisk. you can keep crime down without the excessive way it's been used. >> quinn didn't come out and attack anthony weiner.

what do you think about what happened overnight? his campaign manager has left. how much of a distraction has this been or how much has this enhanced the race because people are paying attention to it? >> people are only paying attention to anthony and to not the issues but to him. when you look at races for mayor, they are conversations about the future of this city. this hasn't. we're not talking about affordable housing, about keeping crime down, we're not talking about education and other thins and job creation. the people are talking about anthony and what he's done. this has become a distraction. he needs to make this about the people of the city of new york and not about himself. he needs to drop out. >> he needs to drop out? >> yes, he does. >> you think he's a distraction in the conversation? >> unfortunately that's exactly what he's become. we're not talking about the future of the city. people are talking about him. >> is he fit to serve? >> i'll let the voters decide that. if he stays in. i don't think it should come to that. when we talk about leadership

and other issues, this isn't the leadership that new york city needs. >> you were the comptroller for years. does that make you the most qualified? it's all about finance. look at detroit. there are people in new york concerned about the finance. every big city in america is really fragile. >> it isn't just being the former controller of the city of new york, but the former head, the president of the new york city board of education. it's understanding education, it's understanding finance. it's having a background that's brought people together and helped to create consensus. that's leadership. >> we've seen big cities under democratic mayors in this country pick and choose neighborhoods based on resources. what's your philosophy of public education? can you guarantee to the residents of new york city that every neighborhood will count? >> that's my geel, is to make sure that we have quality schools never neighborhood. it's not a pipe dream. it can be done. we have to do it together. i can't be at war with the teachers union. we have to work with them. i need to have the principals

and working along with them. i need to have the public and the parents. that's how you turn a full school system around, not by picking and choosing different communities. >> what's this race going to come down to? >> if we can get -- >> i mean, you were so close. isn't that in your favor? >> i think it helps in some ways. but my background. best qualified, best experienced person, the person to help lead the city of new york forward. that's what will determine if i'm the next mayor of new york city. >> the money, how is it? >> we've raised it. we're all only able to spend $6.5 million in the primary. i have the 6.5 million. i'll be able to fully fund the primary. money's not a concern. >> bill thompson nice to meet you. thank you for being on "the ed show." >> thank you. >> next week we're going to be broadcasting from minnesota. we'll do a comparison, as the democrats run minnesota and the republicans run wisconsin, where

the political power is, we'll compare the two states and how they're progressing. i'm ed schultz, see you back here next week. have a great one. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:

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