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i'm krystle ball. yes, i'm back. more about politicians behaving badly. i open lowell, my 6-week-old son, is not listening. and i'm abby huntsman, yes, the new kid in town. more on that later. for the show, we'll look at what makes people brave. 90% of life is just showing up. now the gang is all here. ♪ >> it's the dog days of summer. if president obama is feeling the heat, he's not letting on, despite his approval rating dropping to 45%. this president staying cool and calm and collected. on wednesday, he makes a trip across town to capitol hill to meet with the senate and house democrats, just days before they

leave for that august break. tomorrow he's back on the road for the next leg of his economic recovery tour, focusing on the middle class. today at the white house, a private sit-down lunch with former rival turned plolitical ally turned possible successor, hillary clinton. the president and his staff don't have to put anything on his schedule if they don't want to. putting that we're having lunch with hillary clinton on the schedule, clearly says something. they also let us know they had grilled chicken. what do you think this lunch is about? is a lunch just a lunch? is she angling for an endorsement? what's going on? >> well, let me say first i'm glad to be here on the first day for abby and the first day back for krystal. >> thanks, perry. >> on the lunch itself, all we know is what they ate. i think in this case a lunch is just a lunch is just a lunch.

we don't need to -- you know, the president has already said he likes hillary clinton. if you remember earlier in the year, he did an interview with "60 minutes" where he sat downside by side with secretary clinton and talked about how great she was. that was virtually unprecedented. i've never seen a president hold an interview to do a send-off before that. we already know they're comfortable with each other. i have the sense he's comfortable with her as a potential successor. i don't think they were trading like campaign staff ideas for 2016. i think this was more of a lunch. the white house said this lunch came up because obama was earlier in the year at the bush library, and the two of them agreed to have lunch. this was the best date they had. >> almost impressive considering his vice president, who he obviously also likes a lot, is interested in potentially running in 2016. i wanted to talk to you a bit about "the new york times" interview with president obama. you pointed out to us that he hasn't done a sit-down with him in four years. why now? what's the audience he's trying to reach? i noticed he talks about unemployment, but he really

talks about it in the context of inequality. should we be reading something into that? >> i think so. if you look at that interview, it was the first time in three years -- i got it wrong, it's three years -- he did an interview with "new york times." what he's trying to do is put this on the agenda. he talked about it in a much more detailed way. he said he's going to give a speech every week the rest of his term about the economy. that was really telling. he's trying to say what he wants to focus on the rest of his time he's president is income inequality, helping the middle class. he wants that to be a focus throughout and not let washington, in his words, get distracted away from that. he's really putting a stamp on his second term. he's talking about immigration. he's talked about gun control. this interview and taking the time to speak to "the new york times," he's saying, this is what i want my administration to be known for in the second term. >> yeah, and perry, on that

point on the economy, it was not only the idea that we should be doing more in congress, the federal intervention that the president has touted, but he spoke to some of the angst out there. take a listen to this part that was near the end of the conversation. >> racial tensions won't get better. they may get worse because people will feel as if they've got to compete with some other group to get scraps from a shrinking pie. if the economy is growing, everybody feels invested. everybody feels as if we're rolling in the same direction. >> what did you make of the president so directly linking the discussions about racial justice right now to broader economic opportunity? >> so he was asked in the interview, ari, a question about the march on washington. the anniversary of that is later this month in august. he very much linked racial progress to income equality. i asked the white house about that today. they said they had never heard

him say those words the way he linked those things so directly. it tells me that, again, he's really focused -- we learned a couple weeks ago, he decide not want to be like the racial healer of america. that's not his view of his role as president. his view is that his role is to fix the economy, and that will fix a lot of problems in the country overall. that's what he was trying to say yesterday. i was struck that he talked about that in terms of racial tension. i had never heard him say that before. >> interesting, perry. you said earlier he is speaking every week. he's traveling to chattanooga, tennessee, tomorrow to give his first speech in a series of policy speeches aimed at the middle class. we know he's focusing on manufacturing and high wages for the middle class. what can we expect him to say that's different from what we've already heard? i mean, with unemployment remaining stubbornly high, how is he going to convince people, especially so many sitting without a job, that his policies will get them back to work? >> i think it's less about saying anything different and more about saying it over and

over and over again. politics is often about repetition. he's going to talk about -- he's going to talk about a lot of things he laid out in the state of the union address. these are all ideas we've heard before. this is about saying people in washington are getting distracted by this, even though of course the president lives in washington too. he wants to bring this message to the republicans in congress and make them confront that. he also is speaking to us in the media a little bit. if you talk to the white house, they'd say we'd like less talk about anthony weiner and more talk about the economic agenda of the country. that's what i also think he's trying to do as well. >> amen to that, perry bacon. you said obama clearly does not want to be the racial hero of america. i think that's quite obvious. bill keller, editorial in "the times" saying, does he have to deal with racial justice? i think the answer is yes, that he has to con frofront these is. he can't allow race to disqualify him.

>> and he's not. there's actually a really important meeting today at the white house. i would say it's not the lunch with hillary clinton. right now the president's meeting with a bunch of civil rights leaders, our own al sharpton, talking about next steps on the voting rights act, which is not just a racial issue, but surely an issue that affects minorities to vote. he's not ignoring racial issues. i thought the column was thoughtful but not reflective of where we are in the country. people do expect, right or wrong, that president obama will speak about racial issues. his remarks about trayvon martin and the george zimmerman trial were very unifying and did the right thing for the country. i think republicans, democrats, independents have applauded those remarks in general. i thought his speaking about race, he's so eloquent about it. i think he does lift our racial discussion when he speaks about those issues. >> in a way, he's going to be divisive on these issue always because we're so hyper partisan

and polarized at this point. anything he says will be seen that way. perry bacon, always love to have you on the show. please come back sometime. >> all right. thanks, guys. up next, lots of legal action going on in the courts of america. bradley manning's fate is in a judge's hands. edward snowden is still holed up in a moscow airport. and whitey bulger has set the record straight. our legal team is here to talk all things. perhaps a little george zimmerman too. it's monday, july 29th. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy counter.

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we are in the middle of three major legal cases today, each with its own bit of intrigue. in the court-martial of private bradley manning, the judge will reid a verdict tomorrow. manning is looking at a possible life sentence if convicted of aiding the enemy and faces 20 other countries, including espionage. on the international level, attorney general eric holder has informed russia that the man behind the prism leak, edward snowden, will not be tortured and will not face the death penalty. and in what may be the most dramatic proceedings, the defense began presenting witnesses in the priel of whitey bulger today. they're looking to convict on gambling, extortion, drug trafficking, and 19, yes, 19 murder charges. a question on everyone's mind is, will whitey testify? he has apparently told a friend he wants to set the record straight. joining us are the captains of our legal team, attorney seema ayer, and former prosecutor

patrick murphy. thanks for being here. seema, i want to start with the whitey bulger case and that question. do you expect him to testify? overall, what's the defense's strategy? >> krystal, dear, i hope not. hasn't he said enough? any time we've seen that man in court, he's basically getting bleeped for cursing. so can you just imagine what he's going to say? >> it would be great tv. >> of course, of course. that's why we're here. however, at this point president defense has done enough to set up some sort of reasonable doubt in this case. if he testifies like within every other case, state or federal, in this country, when a defendant testifies, the case becomes all about the defendant. in this case, whitey bulger has said so much damaging that's not on the record it could only get worse. my advice is he won't. let's see what murphy says. >> i want to talk about edward snowden, the man we say has been eating cinnabon after cinnabon

in the airport. can you walk us through the process of granting him asylum? it looks like, you know, the russian government, it's in their hands. they're now taking the steps necessary to grant him asylum. what are we looking at? how many days? what is the end game? >> well, he's really in limbo. the fact is that this guy has really hurt the american national security apparatus, and really he's in the russian's hands. putin wants him in russia. there's some intelligence that says maybe he's already working with him. who knows. he could stay there in an international hub right now at the airport eating cinnabons, or he could apply for asylum. regardless, you know, he broke that sacred trust. he promised he would not reveal classified information. he did so. it really has set us back, as far as our intelligence capabilities. >> yeah, and people feel very strongly about these cases, especially when you look at

leaks that may endanger lives. it's a serious charge. seema, i want to look at that in the context of the manning case. different than snowden in that it's much farther along, although he would presumably face very similar criticism. there is an espionage charge pending against him if he would ever return to america. in the manning case, and we'll hear the verdict tomorrow, take a listen to something a law professor wrote about how far some of these prosecutors' theories have gone. he writes, the courts has taken a step to validate the prosecution's extreme theory that by leaking materials to the press, the source of classified materials is communicating with the enemy indirectly. the source gives materials to the journalists. the journalists publishes. the enemy reads that publication and presto, the source is now guilty of the offense of aiding the enemy. that is a new and rather aggressive approach. it may resolve a lot in what we hear in this verdict tomorrow.

what do you make of it? >> what i don't understand to begin with is that when the judge directly asks the prosecutors -- and this was on thursday. is this similar to if this was leaked to "the new york times" or "the washington post," et cetera? my position is that wikileaks is not the same as those publications. wikileaks is known as an instrument that leaks classified information, and its leader, julian assange, is a very divisive figure, to say the least. so i don't understand why we're putting these organizations in the same vein. now, it's very important to note that what -- and you just all e alluded allude ed to it, ari. we're talking about global security at this point. however, we should also realize that what wikileaks does is

different than what a reporter would do. a reporter, i would imagine, would be more selective in putting out information. very ld

stand your ground lack. at this point, she's just trying to assuage the public and the parents and frankly her actions are reprehensible. >> listen, i love seema, but,

seema, again, for those instructions, beyond a reasonable doubt, there was still reasonable doubt. even though she still felt he was guilty, there was still reasonable doubt. it is what it is. i wish he was found guilty. >> we also have to remember, these are ordinary citizens. they're not trained people. they're there to do a service. so i have a lot of empathy for her in that regard. seema and patrick, i've been watching you guys together all summer. it's great to actually have you on and be here with you. thank you so much for joining us again. >> thanks, everybody. all right. up next, abby's inaugural spin cycle, and it is a talker. weiner, filner, what are you guys thinking? >> oh, bo i. being sixteen, alex thinks he's invincible. his dad knows he's not. that's why dad got allstate accident forgiveness. it starts the day you sign up. [ female announcer ] with accident forgiveness from allstate, your rates won't go up just because of an accident, even if it's your fault.

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the news cycle begins in cooperstown at the baseball hall of fame. for only the third time in 52 years, the baseball writers failed to induct a single living

player into the hall of fame. barry bonds, roger clemens, sammy sosa all up for the hall. they all said no. not one of them received the 75% of the votes needed to get a plaque at cooperstown. the fbi has 150 people under arrest a of a child prostitution sting that spanned the entire nation. arrests were made in 76 cities. 105 children were recovered from truck stops, motels, and casinos. the youngest is just 13 years old. another multimillion dollar jewel heist. one crook snuck into a lux diamond showroom, held three guards at gun room, and walked out with $136 million in jewelry. >> wow. and pope francis offers a softer stance on gay men inspect roman catholic church. speaking on his plane back from brazil,ed pope said, if someone is gay and he searches for the lord and has goodwill, who am i

to judge? amen for that. i have to say, it feels awfully nice to be back here at the cycle table. >> it's nice to have you back. we missed you. a bit of an animal house this summer for many reasons. >> i know. i watched some. >> let's dip into your world for a second. house's lowell? house it having two kids? a lot of people say one plus one equals three. >> it's wonderful. it is a whole different ball game. lowell is great. he's a sweet little boy. he's been very good. my daughter also wonderful. thank you. it is nice to be back here and to be back here with abby. >> great to have you back. but it's not all about you and the miracle of life you brought into the world. >> it's not all about you either. >> it's also about another brand new cyclist, abby huntsman. very excited to have you on the team. >> i'm thrilled to be here. it feels so real. we're really doing this. >> you know why it's real? because we keep it real. the only question i want to ask you, and we're not going to do a

big long thing, but tell us about yourself. you have some experience in journalism, experience in politics. tell us about it. >> wow, putting me on the spot. i've grown up in politics. worked in journalism for a number of years. that's what i studied in school. i love advancing the conversation on issues we care about. i grew up at the dinner table debating my dad on all issues of the day. i can't think of a better place to do that. >> you'll get a good debate here. >> and who can resist giving you a hard time every day? >> good luck with that. >> ari's been on it. >> all right, guys. ready to spin? >> let's do it. >> all right, guys. men behaving badly. >> that was the summer theme. >> we're talking bob filner. we're talking anthony weiner. the egos keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. are men just stupid?

do men continue to make mistakes? is it men in powerful positions that ultimately have women knocking on their doors? i thought, that's not the case. when you look at these three guy, spitzer, weiner, and filner, they reached out to all these women anonymously. >> literally. literally in filner's case. >> what's the going on? defend your gender. >> i can't do that. do men act stupidly? absolutely. i want to differentiate filner, who did these things on the job, from wooeiner, who did these things in his private life. that does not excuse it for me. thank god for sexual harassment laws. if the boss is coming at me, i have to grin and bear it or risk losing my job. you can get redressed in the court. >> i'm surprised it's taken this

long for these women to come out. i think we still have a ways to go in terms of convincing women to come out and talk about these sorts of things. >> absolutely. the weiner thing, i find extremely disgusting. you know, you think about the kids, right, that we have to be role models for. somebody asked me today, what are you going to say to your son when he gets old enough to understand this? he said, the kid's going to grow up in gracie mansion, so i'm going to say, kid, don't complain. don't complain that daddy got a promotion after treatedi ingtre like crap in public. privilege and power makes it all okay. who are you? he's disgusting. >> what do you think about this, ari? >> here's my thing. we're going to keep talking about this because we're evaluating folks. we've gone beyond should you vote against weiner. i said i'm voting against him for a bunch of reasons. we're now in this place where you have political leaks and the media establishment actually trying to short circuit the race, literally.

you have "the new york times," which has power, "the new york daily news" editorializing. i wrote a piece. nice of them to publish a countering view. >> speaking of egos. >> and the "the new york post," which is a huge tabloid, is trying to dip in and drive him out of the race. we've seen this before. we've seen it with spitzer. i think that is really wrong. i think you have to let this play out. the idea that however disgusting this is, and people have every right to hold it against these guys, but the idea this becomes the fidelity test that narrows the field before everything else, that people can be guilty of corruption or torture and those people are not in the same way asked to leave the race. i think -- i will say this. good for anthony weiner for staying in the race. bad for anthony weiner for being so bad. and he doesn't get my vote. but let's let the voters decide. >> sure. and the voters are going to

decide because he apparently is not leaving the race. i mean, these editorial boards have the right to offer an opinion. >> no, only i have the right to offer my opinion. you know that. >> they disagree with you and feel like they get to put that out there as well. it's complicated bauds there isn't one legalistic standard where you can say, you know, this fidelity is okay and that one's not and this one's here and that one's there. i think with weiner, when you look at the totality of the situation, both the fact that this guy lost his seat in congress and asked for forgiveness and that was not enough to get him to stop. essentially, he went and lied to voters and is now asking for the public's trust back. to me, that is way too far of a line. >> not to mention a path to stand on. >> and when you look at the fact this is a guy who doesn't have any other sort of positive mitigating circumstances. he's not a great politician. he doesn't have a lot to offer. so you don't want to turn the other cheek. it's very hard to say, you know,

if it was another politician who was fabulous, maybe you would want to weigh what he could bring to the table against those indiscretions. with weiner, you look at it and say what is this guy doing, other than stroking his ego? >> men and their egos. >> make sure you head over to our page onfa facebook and shar your well wishes for krystal and abby. up next, war and peace restarting middle east peace talks as bloodshed in egypt escalates. ambassador mark ginsburg joins us next. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing.

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prisoners. secretary of state john kerry has been working on this diplomatic effort for months. elsewhere, in egypt, weekend clashes killed 84 supporters of ousted president morsi. the muslim brotherhood is calling for more marches, including marching on the army's intelligence headquarters. for a look a these challenges, we're joined by mark ginsburg a former ambassador to morocco. thanks for being with us. let's start in egypt. what is the significance of the nature and provocation of the muslim brotherhood's marches here, and what role, if any, do we see the u.s. and john kerry playing? >> ari, we cannot underestimate that egypt is on the cusp of a huge potential blood bath. the fact of the matter is that we need to understand that the muslim brotherhood represents tens of millions of very angry followers of the post-president

morsi. the fact that they're still willing to challenge the military establishment by marching on the security intelligence headquarters is an invitation to a huge blood bath. the fact is that despite all our efforts, despite the aid that the united states provides to egypt, there's very little leverage that we have when we have this potential confrontation about to take place for supreme si over the future of the egyptian state. >> well, let's turn to israel and the potential peace process there. i mean, watching as an observer, you see potential signs of progress. you see a deal being struck to release palestinian prisoners. a referendum put in place so if a peace deal is reached, the israeli public can sign off on it. how hopeful should we be there's going to be progress made? >> isn't it ironic that of all places in the middle east, the one place where there's some semblance of optimism today is in the palestinian/israeli

negotiations. the fact of the matter is john kerry deserves a lot of credit for his perseverance. yet at the same time, this is a nine-month long haul through a very difficult slog. john kerry appointed our good friend who's a superb negotiator and well trusted on either side as the new envoy who's going to shepherd these talks. let's understand these are the talks before the talks before the actual talks take place in the region. this is going to take not what the united states brings to the table but what are the motives of prime minister netanyahu. in fact, i just came back, got off the plane last night from israel. i would dare say the past time in israel besides going to the beach in august is trying to an ides prime minister netanyahu's motivations for agreeing to these talks. >> you know better than anyone what it means to be a diplomat

and the effort it takes to bring two groups together that don't necessarily like each other. talk to us about secretary of state john kerry's role. what has his role been in all of this? would we be here today without him? >> no, we wouldn't be here without him. we also wouldn't be here without the president's own personal efforts to restore a degree of relationship and confidence with prime minister netanyahu that he did when he travelled to israel. let's not underestimate the fact that that resumption of good relationships between the prime minister and the president have gone a long way to make secretary kerry's efforts a little easier. yet at the same time, john kerry has been involved in these issues ever since he was chairman of the senate farm relations committee. he has a very good deputy by the name of frank lowenstein. i saw leadership of the palestinian government. they said john kerry did something that almost no other envoy did.

he spent a great deal of time listening and trying to understand how to navigate what is important to get the two sides back together. he listened and he persevered and kept at it. for that reason alone, he deserved a great deal of credit for getting the parties back together. >> ambassador, i'm always glad to hear someone who knows the region as well as yourself say that there is optimism in the israeli/palestinian conversation. but when you have settlements continuing to being built, it makes it really, really hard to have a real peace process, doesn't it? >> there's no doubt, ari. i was around almost the entire west bank talking to palestinians last week. there's no doubt that the one issue that they deemed to be the greatest obstacle to peace right now is the continued expansion of what i would call the outlying settlements around the

west bank. while prime minister netanyahu has agreed to these talks and released the prisoners, he announced there would be 1,000 more houses being constructed on the west bank. let's understand, this is not some theoretical practice that's an interference in the peace process. this is an actual interference in the capacity to build a viable palestinian state. it's going to be an important part of secretary kerry's efforts to try to figure out what to do and for the israelis to figure out, can they do anything about these settlements rather than in effect just ignore the expansion is continuing. >> ambassador, following up on that as a final question, the old logic in the region was the idea that circulated that you had to get progress on peace between the israelis and palestinians to get wider cooperation in the region that, the road to beirut and damascus led through jerusalem. that's something folks have debated for years. walk us through how that changes now when you have so much

sectarian strife and bigger problems on the borders in syria, now in egypt as we've been covering. how does that context dive back into the negotiations that you're narrating that john kerry is helping to lead here? >> when the president went to cairo in june 2009, that was the basis of his determination to persevere and restore relations with the muslim world. that playbook has been thrown out the door by the revolutions throughout the region. yet, let's also recall here that the arab league led by the arab monarchy, saad udi arabia, as w as egypt, has stood fast to coax them back into a negotiation. while the arab league is continuing, there's a consensus that bringing peace to israel and palestine is good for everybody, irrespective of what's taking place in the region. that's why the arab states are prepared to in effect step up to

the plate and send a strong signals to it the israels. the arab league is prepared to be supportive. >> ambassador, appreciate you briefing us on your time in the region and all your work on diplomacy in this field. >> sure. good to be with you as always. up next, what does it mean to be brave? we're going to meet the author who says courage is a virtue in crisis. more "cycle" straight ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] you wait all year for summer. ♪ this summer was definitely worth the wait. ♪ summer's best event from cadillac. let summer try and pass you by. lease this all-new cadillac xts for around $399 per month or purchase for 0% apr for 60 months. come in now for the best offers of the model year.

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our next guest is very understanding of what it means to be brave. often we attribute courage to putting ourselves in situations where the outcome is unknown. those moments that might scare us, embarrass us, or make us feel like failures. it could be a civil rights activist facing down the coup clux clan or surviving a massacre, but it can be a small noble gesture that trace our every day lives. a high school boy asking a girl to the dance or a firefighter answering the bell. for me, it could even be my first day here on "the cycle." she also learned a few tips of bravery, picking them up from stage-fright actors. she joins us now, an award-winning documentary and the author of "the society of the timid souls." thank you for joins us. >> great to be here. >> i really enjoyed your book. you take us on this journey to

better understand what it means to be brave. you talked to many people who, in our minds, we would consider brave. but they would tell you often times in the book that's not brave. that's just doing their job. that is reaching their potential. so can you describe to us what the difference is in reaching your potential and just doing your job and what it actually means to be brave? >> well, i mean, i would say that courage is -- speaks volumes of the ability of one small man or woman to change the world around them, to change it for the better in many cases. and those changes can be very big or very small. now, there are meake that choic in term of their job. they choose, they make a brave professional decision. but that process of choice and kind of dynamic engagement with the world around you can trickle right down and can be there in your first day in a new job, speaking up to your boss about something, a first day at a new school if you're a kid, facing

down a terrifying diagnosis as a person going to a doctor. i think there are elements of that process of choice that one goes through all different sorts of bravery. there's a lovely line said by a french writer who said life shrinks or contracts in proportion to one's courage. i think that's very true. >> that was an interesting list. for some of those things, that would be easy for one person and difficult for the next person, requiring courage or bravery for one person and not for another person. even i think about bradley manning and edward snowden. some people think they are brave heroes. some think they are cowardly traitors. is there a way that bravery is in the eye of the beholder? >> i mean, i would say it is absolutely in the eye of the beholder. you know, there's a debate about whether you can be brave and bad. that is as old as philosophy itself. that goes back to ancient

greece. philosophers never quite stumbled on an answer. is courage morally neutral? well, what i would say is that bravery very much resides in the eye of the behold per. it exists in the telling there strong role played by the stories we tell about what we believe is brave is very much reflective of the values of our society and so those points of debate are very -- are exactly the lines along the way in which our society i guess works out what we think is good and wa we think is not. >> of course, the flip side of bravery is fear. you write in your book that apprehension has become the norm and our ability to request distinguish what is and is not scary is skewed. where is that coming from? is that emanating from politician who's use that fear or are they just observing the state as it is and using that to their benefit? >> i would say that we are

without a doubt living in an age of anxiety. it's the case here, my home in the uk, i've strongly suspected it's the case over there with you, as well. i don't think there's any doubt that these strange years since 9/11 have thrown up an awful lot to be frightened of, whether it's economic or environmental meltdown, whether it's terrorism, whether it's geopolitical instability. and the point i would make is that those big mack control fears that come with frightening times often trigger, you know, a thousand tiny terrified little ripples. small crises of courage at all sorts of levels of people's lives. so that i would say that apprehension both large and small becomes something of a habit. so i suppose what i wanted to look at in this book was how one might break that habit and whether there were other braver habits that might be cultivated. >> now, why does the western

conception of bravery focus so much on physical courage, do you think? >> well, i mean, it's interesting that. i take your point that it does in lots of senses in that we have a kind of muscular buff idea of our heros. however, if one were to think of who the greatest icons of courage are in our age, mandela, martin luther king, aung san suu kyi, the dalai lama, these big figures of courage are very often figures that have not only shown physical courage but also shown moral courage. and i suppose i would say that while we exalt this rarity, i think there's an intuitive feeling that moral courage is rarer than physical courage but also i don't think they're entirely zing. i think they're much more swelled up with one another than

one imagines. and it's hard to think of a moral courage that wouldn't withstand some kind of physical test of its commitment. >> polly so. >> i would say that it's, that, we exalt moral courage and physical courage rolled up together i suppose. >> hmm. how do we learn bravery? you said that was one of the points of the book was to show how you could sort of learn better habits in that regard. >> well, i wish i had a neat and short answer to that. i don't think you can learn it overnight. i wish. i wish. but i think that there are -- if one looks at some of the more, the humbler component parts of courage, lots of those can be practiced, an ability to make decisions, an ability to adapt. some kind of faith in your -- the power of your own ability 0 make a choice. and also, i would say that among many of the people we raise up as being brave, whether they're

firefighters, whether they're soldiers, whether they're freedom fighters, whether they're nurses working on a terminal cancer ward somewhere, i think they are all -- they have -- they're all practicing some techniques that they've learned for dealing with their fears. and i think if we can acknowledge the kind of universality of fear, then we are one step on the way to learning to be brave. >> it really is a great read, poly more land. thank you so much for joining you all the way from the uk. >> it's been a pleasure. >> up next, toure does wayne newton. what? what have i gotten myself into? i hope it's not a walk down lover's lane. stick with us. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter... because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios. also available in delicious peanut butter. healthy never tasted so sweet.

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for "the cycle" today with crystal back and abby here. we turned a year old about a month ago, but today feels like a birthday. you know? going to try to get through this without -- but it's cool. those of us who get to come out here and do the show couldn't be more thankful to those in the booth and those of you who make the show possible, you, the viewers. well, you and the advertisers but we thanked the advertisers last night. now it's time to say say thank you to you, the only way that i know how. >> geez. >> i mean, is this your big thing? this is how it's going down? >> what. >> i would just expect you to do something more major if this is a big deal. >> what are you trying to say? >> like ferris bueller, you haven't done anything good today. you haven't done anything good today.

>> wow is, harsh. >> what have you seen today? >> nothing good. >> nothing good? this -- what do you mean, nothing good? we've seen everything good. >> what do you mean nothing good? that makes me really sad. but it also lets me know i've got to do something. i know just what i've got to do. this goes out to a little boy who says he hasn't seen anything good today. >> danke schoe ♪ ♪ darling danke schoen ♪ ♪ thank you for all is the pain ♪ ♪ picture shows second balcony >> ready for the first day of school? that's the mr. bell val dear

theme song. >> it's a big sweater to fill. ♪ ♪ thank you for letting me be myself again ♪ >> hi there. >> really? >> really. >> lowell maxwell. >> that's "the cycle" all about? >> lord toure. >> i love to hear you say that. i have this feeling maybe it's just me, i feel like this segment is never going to end. >> oh. the segment never did really end. thank you for watching us this year. we'll try to be even better own over the next year. that does it for "the cycle." martin, what you have got to say? >> happy birthday and welcome back to crystal and a very warm welcome to abby. fabulous contributions. finally, some intelligence after those pretty boys. thank you so much. >> amen. >> good afternoon. it's mondays july 29th. and congress has just five more days to do something constructive for the country. after that, recess!