table, bibi netanyahu and mahmoud abbas, and secretary of state john kerry who worked hard to get this far. and of course to the president behind the big push, barack obama. blessed are the peacemakers. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with all sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris, and thanks to you for tuning in. i am live from washington, d.c. tonight's lead, fighting for voting rights. today the president of the united states called civil rights leaders to the white house to say are you ready to fight back. i was there in that meeting, and i saw firsthand how the president is determined to hit back against right-wing efforts to block the vote in the wake of the supreme court's decision to gut the voting rights act. since that ruling, republicans have gone on a rampage with states all across the south

running wild to restrict voting. that includes north carolina, where any moment now, the republican governor is expected to sign into law the worst attack on voting rights since the jim crowe era. this is outrageous. this is exactly the kind of blatant attempt to suppress the vote that the obama administration has promised to fight against. >> this is the department's first action to protect voting rights following the shelby county decision. but it will not be our last. my colleagues and i are determined to use every tool at our disposal to stand against discrimination wherever it is found. >> the president and the attorney general are calling on all of us to wake up, get up, and get active. this is about the fundamental right of our democracy. 50 years after the march on washington, we must not, we will not let them turn back the

clock. in the meeting today, latino leaders, asian leaders, african-american leaders, women sat together with the president and the attorney general. not for one segment, but for all americans right to vote to be protected. it is something americans can and must unite around. and it should be bipartisan, because it gives everyone the protection of their voting rights. joining me now is democratic congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri, and joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. thank you both for being here. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> congressman, let me start with you. are these republicans in other states, because they're not just southern states changing these laws, now on notice now that the obama administration is not going to let them get away with taking away our right to vote? >> absolutely.

this is a socio political abomination to mix theology with contemporary psychology language. but what they need to understand is that the president is not backing up. as he said two days ago, he doesn't have to run for election again. and he realizes that one of the worst things that could happen under anyone's administration is to remain silent when there is a very overt attempt to push people away from the ballot box. this is a democracy. and we should be doing everything we can to encourage people to vote. and i am so proud and pleased that the president is standing up and saying this is where i stand, and bringing the civil rights community together as he did is saying to them i'm standing with you. and that's going to also empower the march on washington. >> no doubt about it. and the march with martin luther king iii and all of us would be around this voting, this right to vote. joan, i think that it is very

interesting that we hear the right wing talk about responsibility should be taught in minority communities, black, latino communities. isn't one of the most responsible things a family can do is vote and participate in the affairs of their city, county, state, and national government? so how do you on one hand tell people to be responsible, and on the other hand put impediments in their way to exercise their civic duty of voting? >> well, it's ridiculous, reverend al, and you have called it out, as you should, the notion that the cause of racism personal irresponsibility is ridiculous. and, you know, if you want to talk about irresponsibility, i would say the governor of north carolina is rather irresponsible because it seemed at least a couple days ago that he hadn't even read this bill that he was pledging to sign. >> right. >> he said something about there is plenty of opportunities for voter registration yoon line. no, you can't register to vote

online. several other sections of the bill, he didn't even seem to know about. i mean, this bill is terrible for african-americans, but it's also terrible for young people. they do away with -- you can't preregister if you're 17 years old. and they're also getting rid of a state law that required high schools to educate and get out the vote and try to tell kids to register. it's targeting every single element of the obama coalition. we know why, and it's great that the president and the attorney general are using section 3, section 4 is gone, but section 3 is there. and it lets them do this case by case and challenge this. i hope the next state they go into is north carolina when he signs that bill. >> talking about north carolina, congressman, the republican governor pat mccrory as joan stated says he will sign the bill. but when he was asked about the ban on preregistering teenagers, this is all teenagers of any race, he said, quote, this is a direct quote, though, i don't

know enough. i'm sorry. i haven't seen that part of the bill. now, he is about to sign the worst attack on voting rights, and he hasn't read the bill, congressman? >> he's going down in history in a ball of ignorance for a sitting governor to pledge to sign a piece of legislation that he has not read is absolutely asinine. and what i think we're going to do is -- and he doesn't realize it, but he is helping his party lose votes because every time they come up with these voter id laws, more and more minorities and women and young people are becoming angry. and this is going to be a backlash against him and all of those who are pushing to keep people away from the ballot. in south carolina, they stopped already souls to the poles because they don't want people

to vote. in the united states of america. >> now, joan, so people will understand how egregious this legislation is in north carolina, this voter id bill in north carolina is called the most radical in the country. it imposes a strict voter id requirement, eliminates same-day voter registration, cuts early voting by a week, stops the extension of polling hours, even if there is long lines. even if the lines are long, they're going to cut the voting time. it increases the number of poll watcher, and it bans preregistration for 16 and 17-year-olds. and i might add so people are not confused, we're not opposed to voter id. we're opposed the new voter id. we always have used id. why are there new voter id requirements that they know many people don't have. >> right. >> when there has been no evidence at all of widespread fraud of id the way it is.

why are you fixing a problem that doesn't exist and causing a worse problem? >> no, rev, you're right. since 2000, there have been 22 cases of voter fraud in north carolina. that's not 22 a year. that's 22 total in 13 years. this is not a problem. we know it's not a problem. doing another form of id that is not aloud, student ids. even if you have you are voting there, you are going to school there, you have your picture idea, no, that's not good enough, because we want to make this harder for young people. they know what they're doing. the only positive thing i can say about republicans right now is that representative james sensenbrenner who was the sponsor of the 2007 reauthorization of the voting rights act, he came up today and he supports attorney general holder in what he is doing using section 3, and says it's absolutely valid and it's what he should be doing. i think that's a great thing, and i really want to thank him. >> congressman cleaver, your joe

barton, a republican congressman says the house won't pass an update to the voting rights act. but as stated by joan, congressman sensenbrenner, who is a republican, and john lewis also sounded optimistic when i talked to him last month. let me play this for you. >> we are coming together, both democrats and republicans on the house side, and they will do the same thing on the senate side. and we're going to pass another voting rights act. we've come too far, made too much progress to go back now. and we cannot go back, and we will not go back. >> will there be other republicans like congressman sensenbrenner that will step forward and join the coalition of americans protecting americans' right to vote, or is barton right? are there enough right-wingers to stop this house? what do you think? you're there, a major senior

member of the house. >> well, i think congressman sensenbrenner is no liberal. that's important for everybody to understand. but he also is an american who believes that everybody should have equal access to the ballot box. and he has committed himself to working with john lewis and others. there are other republicans who are interested. frankly, i think that mr. kantor is very likely going to be someone who is going to step up to the plate. he went down to selma, alabama, a year ago with john lewis. >> right. >> as you and i have done before, he walked across the edmund pettus bridge. he understands what people went through. i'm not sure that congressman barton from texas is in tune with what is going on. i also think that people need to understand, and i think that's what the president and the attorney general are doing. they're saying this is the department of justice, not the department of just us. and so we're going to see i

think the president, the attorney general moving along with mr. sensenbrenner and john lewis and other republicans to put this law back on the books. >> well, i think that mr. -- congressman sensenbrenner is the right kind of conservative. let's conserve americans' right to vote, and we'll be following this every step of the way. congressman emanual cleaver and joan walsh, thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me here. >> good to be with you. ahead, president obama's vowing to fight income inequality in america, and he is not holding back against the republicans. wait until you hear what he is saying. and he might be the most fascinating ply ill partnership today. not bill and hillary, barack and hillary. inside their white house lunch meeting today. and i had my own unplanned meeting today with hillary. more on that ahead.

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usurping my authority. some of those folks think i usurp my authority by having the gall to win the presidency. and i don't think that's a secret. but ultimately, i'm not concerned about their opinions. >> he's not concerned about republican opinion. he is doing what ask right for all americans, not just the rich. a new study from oxford university shows 79% of americans will face economic insecurity at some point in their lives. 79%. that includes people facing at least a year without a job, reliance on government aid and income near the poverty line. this kind of economic injustice is why fast food workers in several cities, including new york and chicago have started strikes today, calling for higher wages. >> i'm still completely broke,

even with living with my mother. imagine all of my fellow workers who are trying to support families on the same wage as i get. it's completely impossible. >> in a multibillion industry where they are making record profits, literally billions and billions of profits in recovering from the recession and the workers on the bottom are make poverty wages. >> it's time for action. president obama wants to level the playing field for workers all across america. republicans need to get on board or get out of the way. joining me now is jared bernstein, former chief economist for vice president biden. jared, thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> so 79% of americans face economic insecurity at some point in their lives. but republicans don't think we should do anything to address it? >> right. i mean, if you think of kind of the way we often set this up talking about the top 1% and the bottom 99. this is telling you that 80% of

people face some kind of difficulty in the economy that has got to be very familiar to anyone within the sound of my voice, whether we're talking about unemployment, underemployment. we also talk about the unemployment rate, 7.6%. the underemployment rate is over 14%, and that includes 8 million people who are called involuntary part timers. they can't find the hours of work they need. and of course that hurts their family budgets. >> now given that context, the president addressed in his interview focusing on expanding opportunity and equality. listen to this and tell me your response. >> america has always worked better when everybody has a chance to succeed. and if that's not what washington's talking about, then we will be missing the boat. >> and to show you how graphic it is before you respond, the average ceo's salary is $12.3

million while the average worker's salary is $34,645, according to the afl-cio. i mean, this is what the president is talking about. this is unbelievable. ceos making over $12 million a year, and workers making $34,000? >> so i was just crunching some of these numbers before i came over here today. the stock market, if you adjust it for inflation is up 60% over the recovery, over the period where the gdp has been growing. but the typical family's income is down about 4.5%. so there is that inequality dynamic that the president thankfully has really been hammering on lately. i think one of the things that he is getting at that is critically important, and by the way has policy solutions is this idea that when inequality gets to the kind of point that you and i are discussing, it begins to block the opportunity of people that is we've never been a country that insists on equal outcomes for everyone, but we've often talked about the importance of equal

opportunities. >> correct. >> when inequality is creating barriers, you want to think about higher minimum wage, preschool for low income kids. republican obstructionism is blocking all of the above. >> when you also look at the fact that the gop's budget republicans backed automatic budget cuts that literally cost up to 1.6 million jobs next year. how can republicans continue this obsession, really, with cuts when the evidence shows it's killing jobs. >> yeah, and not just the evidence here, but this austerity experiment, the idea that if you cut government spending, you'll lead to more economic growth has been obviously a dismal failure in europe as well, where they have actually kicked back into recession in the eurozone. now, look, when you're talking about job creation and spending cuts, the congressional budget office -- we're not talking about some radical left wing group here. the congressional budget office the other day said if we canceled sequestration, these automatic budget cuts that the president has been calling to replace, if we cancel that, we

would have 900,000 more jobs by the end of next year. >> 900,000? >> that sounds to me like a deal most people hearing my voice would take. >> now, there is also the obsession with trying to stop obama care, or to double down as ted cruz is doubling down today to defund obama care. let me show you what cruise had to say. >> i think congress ought to stand together and defund obama care in its entirety. we can successfully defund obama care on september 30th. we've launched a national petition, don'tfund it.com. that's how we're going to win the fight on defunding obama care. >> they want to defund obama care which provides insurance health care for so many americans that didn't have it. they want to continue sequestration that costs jobs, as you just quoted what it would mean in terms of net jobs.

>> right. >> i mean, i don't get what it is other than they're putting partisan over people. >> no question about it. i mean, this idea of defunding obama care has become an obsessive mantra. i mean, listening to him, he sounds kind of possessed in a way that is a little scary. so look, one of the thing we're talking about here is the middle class squeeze. one way you help middle class people get out of that squeeze is to lower the costs that they have to pay for health care. now, if you look at the early implementation results from obama care, that is the cost of insurance premiums in these exchanges, they're coming in, the president said this himself today, 20, 30, 50% in new york city, lower than the current rates. so to me, that sounds like a great win for the middle class, a program that actually helps sort of unclench that family budget by loosening up on the cost of health care premiums. >> i think that it is critical that the american people have jobs, the american people have

health. >> affordable health care. >> affordable health care. and there has to be common ground that we can achieve this across-party lines. jared bernstein, thanks for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. coming up, a potential setback for rush limbaugh and his ugly vision of america. it could be a big win for president obama. and power lunch. hillary clinton at the white house. we'll go inside one of the most fascinating political partnerships of all time. and i'll tell you about my unplanned meeting with hillary today. stay with us. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business.

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from bitter rivals to close personal friends, it was a power lunch for president obama and hillary clinton at the white house today. the fascinating political partnership really started back in 2008 when she endorsed him after a tough primary battle. >> i ask all of you to join me in working as hard for barack obama as you have for me. now, when i started this race, i intended to win back the white house and make sure we have a president who puts our country

back on the path to peace, prosperity, and progress. and that's exactly what we're going to do by ensuring that barack obama walks through the doors of oval office on january 20th, 2009. >> so five years later, a lot has changed. we go inside their lunch, next. [ male announcer ] this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a day or 2 aleve for all day relief.

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it's largely friendship that is on the agenda for the lunch today. so it's not a working lunch as much as it is an opportunity for the two to get a chance to catch up. no matter what the reason, their relationship has been fascinating. they have gone from bitter rivals on the trail to partners in his administration. she served as his top diplomat and become in the president's words, a strong friend. but whenever these two get together, the question always is what's next. joining me now are teresa -- maria teresa kumar and terrance page. thank you for copping on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> let me say when i say a nice chat on the plane, we talked about voter rights. mrs. clinton is very concerned about voter rights as she always has been. she was my senator i can say in that area. she is very consistent, and we

chatted about that before the flight attendant made me sit down. >> i think the fact that it's so important for her is she is looking into 2016. the backlash against voting rights at the state level take place, she is going to have a serious problem. >> whether she runs or not, i think she and the president recognize this is a serious problem for voters. but clarence, let me ask you. you're chicago. >> we know about voting in chicago. >> do you. >> early and often, yeah. >> i wasn't going to bring that up. >> that was my first undercover assignment back in the '70s. we'll talk about that later. >> let me go to the relationship with the president and mrs. clinton. they were rivals, and now they're friends. how does that develop in your opinion, and is that real? >> in politics, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. we see here now -- well, barack obama when he invited hillary clinton to be his secretary of state, that was a very important olive branch right there, including her in the administration.

and she has been a very valuable cabinet member. and now while they may put out the public word this was just a little get together to say hi, none of us believes that. we all honestly are wondering just how deep into planning ahead for 2016 are they, because he as the incumbent, his endorsements will be very important. his support if she gets the nomination will be very important. >> now maria, five years ago, would you have guessed that this kind of lunch would happen? >> would you? >> is it working in the trenches together that has brought them closer? >> i think that basically the fact that they did their exit interview on a live "60 minutes" tape, you actually saw they had mutual admiration and respect for each other. and i think what clarence is saying they're absolutely laying the groundwork. what they don't want to do is that if hillary runs tomorrow, they don't want to do a repeat of what happens with al gore and

president clinton, where gore decided what he was going to do is not build off the clinton legacy, he was going run completely off to left field, and that left him vulnerable. >> a lot of people felt he could have won. >> he could have won had he endorsed -- >> i mean -- >> right. but had he endorsed the clinton platform, it would have been much more of a solid one, let's say. what is happening is both obama realizes in order to continue building the leg cities of policies he has built, he needs to make sure that clinton is on board, and clinton needs to make sure that he can generate that base, the young new base that historically hasn't come out for elections, that his base comes on board. so it's a symbiotic relationship, really. >> it's not only the two of them, it's the other person, bill clinton. >> oh, yes. >> and there was a lot of bitterness by many in the '08 election. but then he has proven to be very instrumental to the obama administration. let me show you some of the things he's said and done. this is him, for example, at the dnc last september. >> i want to nominate a man

who's cool on the outside. but who burns for america on the inside. a man who believes with no doubt that we can build a new american dream economy driven by innovation and creativity, by education, and yes, by cooperation. and by the way, after last night, i want a man who had the good sense to marry michelle obama. >> now, clarence, he did a great speech for the president at the dnc, campaigned all over the country for him. has the fact that bill has been all in, hillary a real team player, and a good if not great secretary of state, some of us say great, has this really built a relationship in your opinion that goes even beyond mutual or shared interests?

>> i'm so glad you ran that clip. wasn't that the first time you've seen somebody who gave a better speech than the nominee did? i mean, he sold obama better than obama sold obama. bill clinton is a master politician and a master political consultant. if i was going to be running for president, i'd want him to be on my side, giving consultation and advice. he's certainly someone who does not believe in permanent antipathy. we saw him go hot and cold all through the primary. one thing that surprised me, it took obama so long to go and ask bill clinton to speak at the democratic convention, because his speech was key. >> now maria, when you look at the fact that they've had this great working relationship, the clintons went all in, the other thing that could unite them is that both the president and mrs. clinton has been the object of some of the most ven newscast

mou -- venomous attacks from the right that any two people have had to endure. watch this. >> how can she get a concussion when she has been ducking everything. that's what i don't understand. >> we're calling this is the immaculate concussion. >> when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. >> and hillary has severe benghazi allergy. >> yeah, been doing a lot of work on that, investigating it. she first reported the case, and it's a very, very severe one. >> very, very severe. let's see the medical report on that. >> now, i mean, she's been attacked almost as viciously as he has. and sometime common enemies bring people even closer together, especially when they're facing such vile attack. >> actually, thing is some of the nicer stuff the right has said about her, quite frankly. if anything, there is very few families in america that can actually identify with being that of the presidency. and there is a sort of

collegialness that actually happens, and that happens as a result. and the fact that they both have basically raised children in front of the cameras at the white house, and that they've been able to protect them so beautifully, thing are common bonds that happens when someone residence in the white house. it has been built on mutual respect, because it didn't start out that way. >> now they're already running attacks on mrs. clinton. they even formed a stop hillary.org website. so they're gearing up. but i just got this in, that is very interesting to me. we just learned that mrs. clinton and joe biden are having breakfast in the morning. what do you make of that, clarence? >> i'd love to be a fly on the wall there, because joe biden may run for president again too. i think this is probably realistically his last chance if he is going to do it. if i were him, i wouldn't, because i think the momentum now for hillary clinton is building up. >> you wouldn't run or you wouldn't have breakfast?

>> i wouldn't run against hillary clinton. i think she has been able to -- well, you know, there is a lot of repressed support for her. a lot of folks, especially a lot of women were out to push for hillary clinton, and then barack obama came along. and going into the details of what happened, but the fact is both obama supporters and clinton supporters want to pull together now and go for hillary. if she decides not to run for some reason, there is no obvious front-runner. joe biden would be the only one. but joe biden has got his weaknesses too. >> you think it's a political breakfast in the morning? >> i think so. i think it's basically trying to gauge where he is and making sure he is on board if she chooses to run. i also think if you see the transformation of biden, he has actually been much more care informal the way he speaks. he has also been courting different constituencies from the lgbt to the latino in a very, very big way. and he's starting to talk a lot of the talk you would see in presidency. she is holding court today with the president, trying to make

sure that their legacies are uniting and basically making sure that biden is on board if she decides to run. >> in that little chat, i didn't ask her if she is rung. but i can say she looks great. she looks like she's got a pep in her step. let's put that it way. maria teresa kumar, and terrance page, thanks to both you have for your time this evening. >> thank you. coming up, news is breaking inside the right-wing radio bubble, and it could mean a big win for president obama's vision of america. she knows you like no one else. and you wouldn't have it any other way. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently.

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we're back with news from inside the right wing talk radio bubble. it's the talk that pollutes the political conversation and undermines the president's agenda. but the president might be closer to winning the fight five years in this country. political reports cumulus media, the second biggest broadcaster in the country plans to drop limbaugh and hannity, meaning they would be off the air in 40 major markets.

this comes after more than a year of tension between limbaugh and the cumulus ceo who said his comments had cost the company millions, presumably for talking like this. >> what does it say about the college coed susan fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. what does that make her? it makes her a slut, right? it makes her a prostitute. >> in obama's america, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering yay, right on, right on, right on, right on. has the cdc ever published a story about the dangers of catching diseases when you sleep with illegal aliens? it has gotten so bad, they had to send moochelle in a lady gaga type getup. she went shopping at target. >> and sean hannity is just as

focused on attacking president obama. >> i'm not for secession, but i understand why people might be. why not just ask show us the certificate. you're a birther. you're a birther, that's what you are. it's not been my number one issue, but i've been following it, and i've been saying why are all these people that just asked to see it, why are they crucified and beaten up and smeared and besmirched the way they are? four more years of obama will end america, the country we love as we know it. >> we've seen this ugliness go from the airwaves to the halls of congress. and we've seen lawmakers on the right refuse to denounce this kind of talk. so what would a radio shake-up mean for the president's vision? and could the extremism fever break as a result of this? joining me now is joy reid, managing editor of thegrio.com,

and david, thank you both for being here. >> great to be here. >> now, joy, rush denied the report today, and hannity doesn't seem concerned. and we want to be clear. this could be just a negotiating tactic in a business sense. but how big of an impact would it be in the political world if it were to happen, joy? >> well, you know, for rush limbaugh, it would mean losing some of the major market, including wabc in new york, which obviously would reduce his viability in terms of advertising. and the big problem for limbaugh has been that his advertising has taken a huge hit since those sandra flick comments, and hannity as a result as well. they are not popular with advertisers who don't want to hear from women and from younger people who don't like that kind of talk. and by the way, limbaugh's audience is essentially older. they're not in that prime younger demographic. they're really older. they're more rural. they're not as attractive to

advertisers anyway. so i think just as a matter of course, this kind of radio is sort of aging out market wise. but it's also reflective of the gop. limbaugh's base is very similar to the republican base. so if his popularity is declining, and his viability is declining, i think it says bad things about a republican party that is more and more in tlalhr to him. >> they undermine every policy the president comes with. listen to. this. >> there is going to be a big push by conservatives to use this as an opportunity to defund obama care. >> either you republicans get off your backside and stand as a bold contrast to obama care and make a courageous stand, or get out of the way. >> the democratic party does not want anybody to have a photo id

because that would have a very negative impact on cheating. >> that means that we've got cheating going on in our elections. >> obama monkeying the numbers here, jimmying around with things in an election year. >> i don't know what tomorrow's job numbers are going to be. i have no doubt they'll cook the books. >> so david, they fight the president on voting, on jobs, on obama care. if they had a smaller audience reach, what will that mean for the bigger picture and policy? and do you think that this cumulus deal may really fall apart? >> well, yeah. so i think the listen here is that hate has consequences. that for limbaugh's particular brand of just really horrible racism, sexism, homophobia, and frankly, the unremitting opposition to president obama, as joy mentioned, the business model has collapsed. we do expect that he is going to lose these top 40 markets. >> you do expect it? >> we do. he will have a smaller footprint.

i think it's an epic failing for limbaugh. but in a certain way it's bad for the gop. limbaugh is a reflection of their extremism. he is kind of like the id of the conservative movement. he has been rejected culturally, now being rejected in the market. and i think it port tends a political rejection. he has been a really important figure going all the way back to 1994 when he was largely credited with helping to bring in the gingrich congress, which was referred to as the limbaugh congress. and you'll remember, on the day that president obama was inaugurated, he was kind of the architect of the republican strategy for these past years, saying i hope he fails. so this is -- this is a defeat for limbaugh. it's a victory for progressives in the sense that it's a victory for everybody who believes in civil discourse. >> you know, joy, some of it i think is just people being turned off by how venomous some of it is. i mean, when you listen to the president's recent speech on race, listen to the attack from hannity.

>> you know, now the president is saying trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. oh, that's -- this is a particularly helpful comment. is that the president's admitting i guess because, what, he was part of the choom gang and he smoked pot and he did a little blow, i'm not sure how to interpret that because we know trayvon had been smoking pot that night. i'm not sure what that means. >> and then you have anthony weiner, who is running for mayor in new york. he has been in the news lately for another twitter scandal. but limbaugh takes vicious attacks at his wife. listen to this. >> huma is a muslim. in that regard, weiner ought to be able to get away with anything. women, muslim women don't have any power, right? muslim women are beheaded,

stoned, whatever if they drive, have affairs. in certain countries, muslim women if they're raped are killed. it's their fault. >> so it's not just attack a politician, attack his wife and attack a religion. it's not just say you disagree with the president. you demonize and denigrate a dead young man and accuse the president of being in a gang smoking pot, and you distort the story with the young man that died, saying he was smoking reefer that day, which no one said that was the case. i mean, it's just not enough to oppose. you've got to get ugly and personal and venomous. >> yeah, absolutely. you would think that limbaugh would be a little more circumspect given his four marriages and the issues with buying and selling pills out of a cigar box, and he was calling it the cabbage, when he was running around buying elicit pills.

anyway, that aside, the reality is rush limbaugh and sean hannity and guys on the right, in weight essentially told the republican party you messed up. you were too soft. the way john mccain ran against barack obama was not vicious enough. they didn't go after thing likes jeremy my. >> right and bill ayers. they told the republican party give us control. put news the driver's seat and we'll show you how you can win. in 2012, mitt romney did listen to them. they were essentially as david brock said the architects of the current republican strategy for supposedly how to win. and all they're doing is turning off women, young people, minorities. they're turning themselve off in droves, and they're driving people away, not just from the republican party, but from conservatism itself. so if the party wants to keep listening to these guys, they have a problem. so they might want to just listen to cumulus. if cumulus is backing away, that is a market response to a product that is no longer marketable and selling. >> you bet that cumulus drops

them, david? >> yes, i think he is going to lose these stations. the head of the republican party has just gotten his head chopped off. >> joy reid, david brock, thanks for your time tonight. ahead, how can everybody help fight for change? "reply al" is next. [ male announcer ] the biggest news in breakfast is actually tiny. new kellogg's raisin bran® with omega 3 from flax seeds. plus plump juicy raisins. flax seed? who are you? i still got it. [ male announcer ] invest in your heart health with kellogg's raisin bran® cereals. i don't miss out... you sat out most of our game yesterday! asthma doesn't affect my job... you were out sick last week. my asthma doesn't bother my family... you coughed all through our date night! i hardly use my rescue inhaler at all. what did you say? how about - every day? coping with asthma isn't controlling it.

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it's time for "reply al." keep sending me all those questions. friend or foe, i want to know. what is one action that you think the average citizen can undertake to help change the policy behind the stand your ground law and its implications in the system of justice? three things, jelani. one, if you're in florida or a stand your ground state, make sure you register to vote and

register those around you. let your legislator know if they do not vote to repeal that law, you will not be voting for them. two, attend rallies around the country and gatherings around the country like we did over 100 cities just saturday before last around the stand your ground laws. and we'll be raising it to march on washington, august 24th in washington. three, support those dream defenders, those courageous young people sitting in governor scott's office in florida saying they're going to stay there until the law is repealed. those young people deserves everyone's support around the country. they're doing what is best in the nonviolent tradition of american protests. well, i've got to go. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the weiners and the clintons. let's play "hardball."