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♪ i'm free ♪ free falling >> if the public official used their office equipment to engage in the kind of pasttime that anthony weiner's been involved in in the last couple years would you fire them? >> i think the answer is yes. >> if you had to vote for mayor right now, who would you vote for? >> i would vote but it's a great question -- >> answer the question. show you're different. show you're different than most politicians. you're not going to vote for anthony weiner. you don't think he should be mayor of new york? >> fair point. that is correct. >> he should not be mayor of new york? >> that is correct. >> all righty. good morning, everyone. it is tuesday, july 30th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch, "new york times" reporter jeremy peters on the set with us in new york, nice to see you, msnbc's thomas roberts, i feel like it's been forever. >> it's been a while. >> you've been on vacation some. >> on safari. >> nice someone gets a vacation?

>> washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, she never takes a vacation. >> what's a vacation? >> andrea mitchell. >> joining joe and me, good to have you on board with us today. >> i never take a vacation either but things will change in august. going to relax a little bit. >> exactly. >> what do we got today? what do we have going on today? >> we just had the pot meeting the kettle. >> yes. >> thank you, thomas. that's a good one. and now we're going to move on with the impact of anthony weiner's sexing scandal. a new quinn pack poll finds support for weiner has dropped substantially since the second round of elicit messages found it ways into the national spotlight. the former congressman now in fourth place with 16% support, down ten points from last week. new york city council speaker christine quinn leads all

democratic candidates following by a surging bill deblass yo. 53% of new yorkers think weiner should droup out of the race. voters are split on whether the former congressman's behavior disqualifies him from elected office. do you think he can come back from this some. >> no. absolutely not. the second time is going to finish him off. there's still the thought there may be more out there, but what's most fascinating right now is finally, after months of clinton world staying away, you look at the top of politico, they're now starting to get very concerned and, of course, andrea talked about this, is talking about this and reported on this as well. >> yeah. i'd like to ask andrea about that, because huma and hillary are reportedly very good friends. so it would be interesting to see if they separated themselves, distanced themselves from them. weiner is insisting he'll stay

in the race and that's raising concern for supporters of hillary clinton because huma has served as a top aide for hillary clinton for years as well as being friends. andr andrea, you've been following this quite some time. >> i don't see any signs of them distancing themselves from huma. friends of the clintons and long-time members of the circle are concerned about a possible effect on hillary clinton in the future on 2016 and could have been top of mind and certainly might be as hillary clinton today has breakfast later this morning at the vice president's residence with joe biden. and this is after a very high-profiled lunch at the white house yesterday. >> hillary clinton arrived for lunch with the president on a spring-like day over salad, grilled chicken and pasta, aides said they were catching up. did they talk about the mayhem in cairo, how to handle vladimir putin? 2016 politics or anthony weiner? nobody was saying.

weiner has become a tabloid nightmare for his wife huma abedin, hillary clinton's aide, for the clintons resurrecting embarrassing flashbacks they had hoped were long forgotten. weiner said he isn't going away. >> i don't take my cues from the headline writers in the newspapers. those are the same people that didn't want me to run. >> reporter: even though his campaign manager quit over the weekend and in staten island he got a scolding from teacher peg. >> i conducted myself in the a manner in which you conducted yours my job would have been gone. >> reporter: he told a local staten island paper. >> my wife has given me a second chance. she's a partner. a partner through thick and thin and she's been amazingly supportive and enthusiastic about this campaign. >> reporter: when the paper asked what he would tell his son some day about the scandal weiner joked, first of all, the kid is going to grow up in gracie mansion, so i'm going to say, kid, don't complain. but others are complaining including the governor. >> this is summer political

theater in new york. we laugh because if we didn't laugh we would cry. right? >> and there could be a lot of crying as this continues because he's going to be out on the campaign trail today. a number of events scheduled. huma abedin was with hillary clinton in washington as clinton continues her meetings today. as i said, breakfast with the vice president. donny. >> donny deutsch, at some point, the clintons are going to do what barack obama did throughout his campaign and the clintons have done it in the past, they're going to start throwing people under the bus. they started with anthony weiner, a back and forth there. weiner, the guy is finished. now that i say that, of course, he'll win. but the clintons are finished with him. when are we going to start hearing about his wife going back to him saying you know what, there are bigger forces in play, you're not going to win, it's time to get out of the sfras. >> i think we're going to see

that -- talk about the huma brand. she obviously is completely loved across the board and has a bright future. every day she stays with weiner or stays in this race with him she distances herself from hillary clinton. but more importantly she distances herself from the voting public. i know i felt when she stood up there and some -- mika, you thought she was amazing and wonderful, i reacted the other way. to me i saw an opportunist, i saw her, something that was disengine win, not somebody standing by her man, somebody standing by her political wish to bes the first lady of new york. i don't think women or men look at that as brave. they're kind of disgusted by the whole thing. >> i thought it was amazing and extraordinary. wonderful is not a word i would use. the whole thing was painful. >> did you respect her for that? i mean once again -- >> i thought she was really brave. and i don't think it's my place to say whether or not she deserves respect or judgment. let me -- but you're not alone. here's what sally quinn writes in "the washington post."

blaming huma abedin. though her friends say she is strong and resolute and defiant, sadly she makes all women look weak and helpless victims. she was not standing there in a position of strength. it was such a setback for women everywhere. she says she is standing by weiner for her family and her child. does she really think her son will benefit from looking back on his mother's excruciating display of lack of self-respect? does she believe that the fact that she is essentially condoning weiner's behavior sets a good example for her son? she clearly has no line weiner can't cross. he seems pretty sure he can keep getting away with it, and why shouldn't he be? that's pretty painful, joe. >> mika, what's your take on that? my -- i -- i go back to the famous line in "to kill a mocking bird" unless you walk a mile in somebody's shoes you don't judge that person.

i think she's smart enough to figure out he will not become the next mayor but he will always be a father to her child. i don't know. what do you think? i think that's overly harsh? >> my take, i definitely think it's harsh, but i think a lot of women feel that way. i think it was -- i think there's a real lack of understanding or sort of -- there's even a generational thing with on-line relationships versus whatever. i don't get it. >> i guess -- >> wait. if i can finish. i think with relationships, you just don't really know what's going on, so we're sitting here judging only -- >> i'm not judging her as a woman. >> political ambition -- >> she has a right, obviously, and to joe's point, we don't stand in her shoes, this is not a judgment of her as a wife, this is a judgment of her as a future political force insulting a new york public, basically saying this doesn't matter, this man can lead, and to me i felt she lost credibility with her own brand. this is not about stay with your

husband or don't stay with your husband. >> who knows what their relationship is. i mean, their definition of monogamy in their marriage, no iphone has brought home chlamydia yet. >> thank god. >> that's a new ad campaign for apple. there it is. >> talk about this. look, no one around this table is a puritan, is a saint, or watching this tv show is a saint at home either. we don't know what goes on with them. it's self-destructive behavior time and again that questions his leadership ability and exposes an achilles heel over and over. what they have exposed is a naked political ambition together they're stronger than apart. but they also have to -- if they want a future, go play possum for about ten years, raise your child, get out of the limelight, have a strong marriage, and come back and do all the things that you're expecting us to do which is show compassion to you. he's not showing compassion to himself. >> joe, entitlement actually. >> hubris and he has a really distorted self-sexual respect that's pretty banged up.

he needs to go aawand deal with that and maybe in five or ten years he can be the leader he is telling everybody he is today but he's not. >> part of the problem is his asking for redemption he doesn't have much in the way of political accomplishments to point to. i don't know what going away for ten years is going to do. if he's not in elected office, building up a resume of achievements in public service it's going to be hard to come back and say forgive me. i agree with mika, some of the sniping is extraordinarily presumptive, to say that we know what's going on inside huma's head, to say there is obviously no line that she won't allow him to cross. i don't know how anybody can know that but huma herself. >> yeah. i respected what happened and respected that i didn't know everything, but that she was trying -- she was incredibly brave. that was tough. >> you know, mika, what i say, you know what i've always said -- >> please. yeah. >> i have a friend in italy who

repeated it yesterday, who am i to judge? >> don't do that. >> seriously? who am i to judge. >> your friend in italy. >> i'm not so sure the pope wasn't also talking about gay priests and anthony weiner together. who knows. >> stop. >> but -- >> the golden rule. go by the golden rule. >> the golden -- there's a golden rule, i don't think that's it, but it should be the golden rule. let's talk about this story on on the pope, it was remarkable. remarkable declaration. >> it was. okay. we're going to skip the mayor who wants his legal fees paid for. >> let's skip the mayor. >> we'll get to it later. it's delicious and i -- >> here's the deal. filler in wants the city council to pay for his defense and sexually harassing allegedly women all across the greater san diego metro area. and there's that story. now let's go -- he's an idiot. let's go on and talk about the

pope. >> it's a man thing. i'm sorry. they're so unbelievably entitled and confident and ridiculously self-aware. can i say that, jeremy? >> not looking at me -- >> which you are. >> oh, dear. >> can't believe that turned into -- i'm so happy. >> you can look that way. >> lovingly in the eye and say -- >> pope francis is back at the vatican after his first foreign trip as pontiff but the flight back to europe that is making headlines. during an airborne news conference on route from brazil the pope spoke with reporters for over an hour delivering candid responses to questions related to some of the church's most polarizing policies. news correspondent anne thompson has the story. >> reporter: from the mass attended by more than 3 million on the beach, to more personal encounters, spectacular images mark pope frances' trip to

braz brazil. most dramatic moments came on the flight home. a no hold's barred press conference, something no pope has done in years. animated, relaxed and funny, the 76-year-old pontiff took questions for an hour and 20 minutes. asked about the so-called gay lobby inside the vatican, the pope gave an answer no one expected. if a person is gay and seeks the lord and has good will, who am i to judge that person? >> it sends a strong message from the head of the catholic church that gay people should not be marginalized, should not be discriminated against, should be -- he wants to be inclusive and welcoming to them. >> reporter: frances said no on women priests, explaining the church had spoke on that. for his predecessor and neighbor at vatican, pope benedict, frances likened him to a wise grandfather. he doesn't live in the papal apartments because they're too big. he cannot live alone for

psychological reasons. frances likes to have people around him. that's why he likes having less security around him so he can meet people. he knows there could be a crazy person in the crowd, but says there's also the lord. asked what's in his black briefcase -- the pope joked it's not the keys to the atomic bomb. just a razor and some books. the pope, with a common touch, showing compassion with actions and words. >> i'm so excited about this pope. that was nbc's anne thompson reporting, joe. >> yeah. you know, the fact is, that so many people saw this as a remarkable statement yesterday. it's remarkable in and of itself. you know, jesus on the sermon of the mount, pair phrasing jesus, who said, judge not, less he be judged, and standard by which you judge others you'll be judged and jesus goes on and says, why are you looking at the spec in another person's eyes

when you a plank in your own. this has always been at the center of jesus' teaching, leave the judging to god. ands the fact that some people get so angry that the pope was just paraphrasing what jesus christ said in his ministry, i think is pretty remarkable. but it is a really positive statement and not on the policy of gay priests. i mean let's face it, "the washington post" had a story several years back talking about the fact that the catholic ranks were filled with gay priests and seminaries filled with gay men wanting to become priests. so this is already the reality in the catholic church. this has been the reality in the catholic church. and mika, i think this statement goes not only to gay priests in the catholic church, but much larger world view that this pope is willing to express, which

also, andrea mitchell, happens to be what the world view of jesus christ was, which this church is supposed to be built upon, the teachings of jesus christ, and just the statement, who am i to judge, is an unassailable statement because again, be it comes straight out of matthew. >> you know, joe, i was so struck by this, i thought it was the most remarkable event of the day and the last couple of days. the pope's visit, him going to brazil, speaking about the poor, despite the security concerns, which were very real among the security officials, he was so enthusiastic about mixing with the people and then what he said on that flight home -- and i talked to anne thompson about it yesterday who was on the entire trip, one time when i really felt if i could have been in her shoes, but she with her history and connection to the church and her relationship with notre dame and -- i just was so happy for

her to have had that experience of talking an hour and 20 minutes he answered questions. you can argue -- >> it was historic. >> argue about his position on some of the issues, women in the clergy, i know there are some who would want him to go farther, but this is such a big change, just in his attitude. >> absolutely. >> yeah. so donny deutsch, you just -- you were talking about branding, actually there are people in the catholic church that worry about branding, certainly not the pope, but what a remarkable new face for the catholic church. just remarkable. >> remarkable, politics aside, what is interesting, we saw this week and last week with the royal couple, is what i call a new level of accessibility, populism with the authority figures that maybe some of our leaders in our country can learn. real break-throughs, less significant as far as when they presented the baby, how they did it, driving away themselves. this pope is a man of the people. today's empowered consumer with

our technology are going to demand this type of accessibility, this type of realism versus you take our president who in a lot of ways is very aloof, very disconnected from the people, and i think these two events if the last two weeks to me are blueprints of how leaders of the future are going to have to connect with people. >> something that was so interesting about this exchange, i found so striking, is the language that he chose to use. he used the word gay. the english word gay. he was speaking in italian. and that's a word that even some of our own supreme court justices won't use because they find that it's almost -- they get too squeamish about it and they say the word a lot of gay people consider to be a pejorative which is homosexual. he phrased this if you listen to how people often talk about homosexuality and whether or not it's sinful, they talk about it with an implicit condemnation, almost like love the sinner, hate the sin. but there was none of that here. it was very who am i to judge? >> lgbt people are born, catholics are raised.

there's a distinction here in the fact that lgbt people come into this world naturally that way, catholics are raised up, there are a growing number of disenfranchised catholics refreshed by what pope frances has to say. instead of the tightening grip we saw under pope senior, you know, we're seeing the wide embrace from pope frances who's willing to talk about things. mika, you bring up a point about andrea and women in the clergy, if they would allow for priests to get married we would see an elevation of women within the church itself. instead of forcing people to abdicate the most human thing about them, their sexuality, we would then have catholic leaders who have wives or spouses who are raising children who can use the teachings of the catholic church to be able to impart that to struggling catholics around the world. it would make a huge difference. >> there are certain inevitabilities and i think we saw one in the past 24 hours. never seen a pope do an

interview on a plane. has that happened before? coming up on "morning joe," we'll talk to congressman keith ellison of minnesota, and dr. nancy snyderman joins us on set. new york city mayor candidate bill de blass yo and from "breaking bad" actress ana gunn. >> mika, the lower 48, call it the summer doldrums. quiet weather pattern. not the case in europe. to italy outside of milan yesterday, they saw this. a severe line of storms rolled through with a tornado. this tornado was about 15 to 20 miles outside of the city limits there. here's the video of it from the hurrica cell phone. it was a little off the ground and the next shot shows it all the way down to the ground. i mean, that would scare anyone anywhere. 12 people were injured unfortunately but no one was

killed. even italy can get a few tornadoes but a rare event. back here in the lower 48, heavy rain last night in missouri and in areas of oklahoma. it's good. this area hasn't had a good wet summer in a while. we watched a tropical depression moving through the hawaiian islands overnight. continues to be south near honolulu. rainy wet weather today. the storm didn't do damage there whatsoever. a cool morning in the northeast, beautiful summer afternoon with low humidity, about perfect for the end of july. around the rest of the country typical summer like weather. hot in texas as you expect. near 100 in dallas all week long. washington, d.c., a nice cool, crisp morning by your summer standards. enjoy it. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter...

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let's take a look at the morning papers at 25 past the hour. from our parade of papers, "orlando sentinel," seven people in the hospital after a propane plant explosion in florida. the fire began in the filling area at the blue rhino plant in tavares near orlando. that's where some 53,000 propane cylinders on-site. like the kind you might use on a gas grill at home. emergency responders say there's no longer danger, though flames burned late into the night. >> and the "l.a. times" a great man and a friend of mine for a long time, colonel george day, bud day, a recipient of the medal of honor died saturday at the age of 88. known as bud, he was a cellmate of senator john mccain while a prisoner of war in vietnam. day earned more than 70 medals

for his service in world war ii, korea and vietnam. senator mccain honored his friend on the senate floor yesterday. >> even though bud had reached advanced years, for some reason i could never imagine bud yielding to anything, even i thought, to the laws of nature. tough old bird he was, i thought he would outlive us all. but he's gone now, to a heaven i expect he imagined would look -- would look like an iowa cornfield in early winter, filled with pheasants. i will miss bud every day for the rest of my life, but i will see him again, i know i will, i'll hunt the field with him, and i look forward to it. >> you know, i actually worked with bud when he was a young -- when i was a young lawyer in florida, but also, more

importantly, when i was in congress, he was there from the very beginning, mika, helping with health care issues for service men and women who had been lied to by congress and was very active in tricare hearings and all i needed and -- and bud was great. all i needed was have bud day come in and he carried so much respect and so much weight and so much authority, he was such a wonderful man, that he made everybody around him better and made our jobs easier to do. he's a great man, was decorated american ever in a time of war and we're all going to miss him. >> a role model in every way. move on to the "washington post," a suspect is in custody following several acts of vandalism in washington, d.c. over the last three days, the lincoln memorial, the smithsonian, and two locations

national cathedral were splattered with green paint. who would do that? >> idiots. >> 58-year-old homeless woman is charged with defacing property. officials say the damage is not permanent. >> and from "the huffington post," a delegation that toured guantanamo prison learned the koran is not the most popular book there. it turns out as it is with donny deutsch's girlfriends the "shades of grey" series has become hot and a favorite among those considered high-valued detainees. a representative said many of the prisoners have read all three volumes of the popular book series and they want to know when they're going to be able to get a satellite dish to see the "baywatch" reruns in the original arabic. >> do they get to vote on who's

going to be julien grey? who's going to get the part? donny? >> i -- >> you're up for it. >> i have been approached by certain hollywood producers but -- >> really? >> i have nothing to confirm at this point. >> really? >> break it here first. >> that's just not possible. >> housewives of west chester beware, donny deutsch may be coming to your neighborhoods very, very soon. >> long island. i stay in my sweet spot, long island. >> no. you just slouch up to westchester county, fairfield county. i'm telling you, housewives and the entire tri-state area need to be concerned, very concerned right now. >> this story has moved to the opposite ends of gross. "usa today," a south african chef living in new zealand had his working visa denied for an unusual reason. his weight. albert weighs 285 pounds. he's facing deportation because

new zealand deems him to be a health risk. harsh. even for -- i mean, that's harsh. he's appealing the decision. >> wow. i'll tell you, new zealand is tough. with us the chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen here with the morning playbook. mike, tell us, we still -- we still have this corey booker/frank lautenberg battle going and only one is still alive. >> well, that's right, joe. it's just two weeks from today that democrats in new jersey will vote on who's going to be their nominee for senator and so this is coming all coming together and so awkward, the star ledger in newark is reporting that just a couple days before corey booker, the newark mayor announced in december he was going to run, a remarkable phone call happened. the chief of staff to senator frank lautenberg called up an aide to cory booker and said, look, the senator is about to retire. he's 88. give him some space.

let him do it on his own terms. let him be the one to make this announcement. cory booker, just a couple days later, in a total rejection of that, and a real dis to frank lautenberg, said, i'm going to run, announced his run. that sort of cemented this feud that now the families are carrying on. a remarkable scene yesterday, senator lautenberg's wife bonny holding a press conference with one of his opponents congressman frank pallone and a sob of frank lautenberg, josh, endorsing frank pallone. it's very personal and now we see the behind-the-sceneses cory booker had a chance to smooth it over. >> jeremy peters, listen, i mean, cory booker is going to win. all the polls suggest he's going to win. this may be a blip on the radar. it was so unnecessary and face it, it was just bad for him to

aggravate a man who is a legend in new jersey politics so long. >> i don't want to try to get inside cory booker's head but if i had to guess why he did it so quickly, it would probably be money. i think that there's so much pressure on candidates these days to get out early and raise as much money as they possibly can as quickly as they can, that it could have motivated him to do something that a lot of people considered a bit unseemly. >> maybe, mike allen, and mika, he just can't -- maybe he can't do a lot of things at once. you got burning buildings, you got babies in your left hand, little puppy dogs in your right, tweeting at the same time, maybe you're just -- >> ribbon cuttings versus debates. >> ribbon cuttings. a lot of things you have to do. >> iron cape every day. >> maybe you forget that somebody called from frank lautenberg's office and said could you hold off and let him do it on his own terms. would have been better for him to do it. he chose not to. he's still going to win. we will will be a united states

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all right. here we go, time for sports, the ongoing drama surrounding alex rodriguez. the associated press reporting major league baseball may now try to suspend a-rod under the player's collective bargaining agreement, instead of using rules, this move would eliminate a-rod's ability to appeal, ending his season and doing so immediately. rodriguez's lawyer has stated the yankees slugger is going to fight any mlb punishment. >> as a yankee fan, nobody wants to see him back in a yankee uniform. good-bye. >> oh, my. >> so let's go to the highlights from last night's games. the red sox and rays and a controversial call in the bottom of the eighth. take a peek. >> snyder lifts it into the air to left center, will move over and get himself ready for a throw, makes the catch. the throw will be -- in time, they got him! >> see, how everybody freaks out. the home plate umpire says the

throw beats nava to the plate. if we take another look, slow this down, nava's foot appears to beat the tag. look at this. see. but the rays get out of this jam and go on to win 2-1 taking a half game lead over the red sox in the al east. but yeah, big freak out show there last night for that. >> wonder why they don't have instant replay like football. >> so an exciting finish in the indians/white sox games. don't adjust your tv. it is jason giambi. sends one deep over the centerfield wall. a solo walk-off home run. at 42 years young, i say 42 is the new 22, you know -- >> that's what it is. >> giambi the oldest player ever to hit a walk-off, surpassing hank aaron. the indians having fun, this is how justin masterson's teammates treated him during an in-game interview. >> having a solid pitching

staff, it was one of those if we would do exactly what we hoped we could do, i think you know we were pretty excited about what might take place. again kind of going back to what we were talking about, if you put together what we've done since the all-star break, this isn't a fluke of what the guys can do. >> i made the comment on the air, you look like a thoroughbred who could smell the finish line. >> is it raining up there for you guys? feel like it might be raining down here. >> raining seedses. >> the interview went on for about ten minutes. never broke. didn't give it any mind. >> cleveland two and a half games behind the tigers in the al central. if you need proof you're never too old to be excited for the ice cream man, take a peek at this. the baltimore ravens got a visit from the miss twist ice cream truck at their training camp. and certainly -- 300 pound men away from ice cream when you hear that jingle the entire team lining up to get the sweet treat. the truck sent by head coach jim harbaugh as a practice reward for those guys.

>> that's cute. >> when you hear that jingle you come running for ice cream. >> miss twist. >> all right. >> cute. >> you know what ice cream truck anthony weiner never wanted to visit -- >> i don't know. >> mr. softy. >> oh, come on. >> why do we have him on, joe? >> new york headlines for the post. >> that is a fireable offense. >> 100 pushups. >> he's pushing the president to protect low wage workers. how congressman keith ellison wants the white house to address the nation's growing income gap. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.

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congressman keith ellison. we were just talking about what you're trying to do here, what you're hoping the president will do. i couldn't agree with you more. we're seeing more and more of these protests across the country. tell us about what's at stake. >> you know, low-wage workers across this country are deciding they have got to have a better reality for their families, so yesterday i was here with members of the progressive caucus and we were -- i was in front of a wendy's with jan and jerry, standing with workers saying we need a pay raise. we had other members who were in other parts of the city -- i was in milwaukee a few weeks ago, and in d.c. the week before that. we're trying to get the minimum wage increased. they're asking for $15 an hour. >> what are they making now? >> $7.25 and by the way, many of them don't -- they don't have benefits, don't even have child care, time off, nothing like that. >> how do you live on that. >> you can't. as a matter of fact, they rely on food stamps, they rely on

public housing subsidy, they rely on public medical -- >> these are fast food workers. how are these companies doing in terms of profits? maybe they're struggling and they can't pay -- >> come on. >> right. >> doing fabulously well. i don't want to pick on wendy's because this is an industry wide problem, but their ceo made $4.6 million in four months last year and they are doing very well. >> i'm sorry, i think it's a sin. >> they can also -- >> people get paid this way. >> you can double the salary of these people up to $15 an hour and all it would cause was each item to go up 17 cents on in the en. >> i think 17 cents for somebody to feed their families. >> joe. >> talk about a larger issue and that is, the stat that came out yesterday, four out of five americans are going to be at the poverty line or near the poverty line at some point in their lives. congressman, we have a problem that is much larger, obviously,

than just how much fast food workers get paid or what's happening right now. since 1973, i'm sure you know, 73/ '74, the average wage for americans has gone down, continually gone down, how do we stop this from being an ongoing trend over the next 20, 30 years? how do we prove that statistic over time is going to be wrong? >> well, the fast food struggle is a small part of a larger thing which you correctly point out. but it has to do with the right to collective bargaining, has to do with the right to stop offshoring jobs the way we have been, stop incentivizing it. it has to do with investing in our nation's infrastructure to put people back to work, to build -- with good, solid construction jobs that have secondary effects. i mean, it is a recommitment to the american dream, i believe. at the end of the day we are adrift and our middle class is hallowing out. so many people are living in their parents' homes and

basements when used to be buying houses. >> it's unsustainable and taking our country in the wrong direction. our children will not do as well, joe, than we are doing in our society. >> you know, andrea mitchell, this is an ongoing problem. the president still, criticized for his economic speech last week because many people say it's the same speech he's been giving, dana milbanks, since 2005. let's face it and you have covered quite a few administrations, this has been an ongoing problem, it's been an ongoing trend since the mid-1970s, since globalization, since outsourcing over the past ten, 15 years. the increase of productivity means less workers are needed, less people make big money, and less people in the middle class. >> well, it is a bigger question, because as you point out, joe, this is a trend that has gone on for decades.

the president's speech, i think, thematically was a big speech. it had a lot of very good ideas and pinpointed the problem. what he's criticized for, it wasn't prescriptive enough on solutions. the white house would say they've had plans in the hopper that nobody has acted on, the counter criticism, congressman ellisson, the white house has not been active enough legislatively. what is your take? have they been up there really in people's face and pushing for their infrastructure program? they'll say they had an infrastructure bill since november. where do you see the energy behind it? >> much more needs to be done, the results are not there. if there is something the president can do right now, sign an executive order so that federal contractors have to pay their workers a livable wage. people who are working at the air and space museum, smithsonian, at the reagan building and union station in d.c., these are federal assets for the american people, are getting paid minimal wages they

can't survive on. the president can change that tomorrow and i hope that he does. >> all right. congressman keith ellison, thank you. and if there's a protest, i can join you at, i'll be there. >> we'll let you know. >> mika, you stay away, mika. >> joe will join me. >> let the invisible hand do its magic over time. you stay away from these protests. >> why? >> socialists. what are you doing? >> i'll be there. >> come on, mika. >> up next, you'll join me, joe. >> one of the real "housewives" -- >> maybe -- you know i care too much. donny will tell you this has long been my fault, i don't want working class americans to have to pay more money for the big mac. it's a god-given right. have you seen the mcdonald's value meals. these things -- a working-class family can go out and eat there four or five times a week. we don't want to change that. >> i can't imagine that -- >> republicans are -- this polls well among them too. >> i can't believe it's gotten to the point -- >> what about the republicans in

congress? >> well -- >> everybody supports cheap big macs. everybody supports cheap big macs. >> joe, you'll be by my side. >> up next, one of the real housewives is in real trouble. why she could face as much as 30 years in prison. and it's not for this meltdown, although that's a crime as well. news you can't use is next.

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income before their tv show debuted in 2009. they're accused of hiding assets. the couple face up to 30 years in prison and we think we uncovered footage of teresa's reaction to the indictment. >> prostitution [ bleep ]. engaged 19 times. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ inaudible ]. >> actually that was the table flip heard around the world, season two. when she was attacking danielle and might happened to be a real housewives of new jersey super fan. >> stop knowing all this, please. >> that was when she table flipped at danielle, called her a prostitution -- engaged 17 times. >> i'm glad nbc owns the rights to that footage. you look for it on youtube -- believe me, i've done it a lot. >> karina cling, that reporter, the bear reporter, over whatever that was. >> those are serious charges. >> you don't do that.

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i don't take my cues on policy from the sunday talk shows listening to pundits. i never have. i don't take my cues from the headline writers in the newspapers.

i never have. those are the very same people that didn't want me to run, didn't want new yorkers to have this choice in the first place. i'm going to keep talking about the things important to this city. i don't really care if a lot of pundits or politicians are offended by that. i'm going to keep doing those things and i think new yorkers deserve that choice. i'm going to let new yorkers decide. . >> welcome back to "morning joe." and there is the big apple, new york city, as the sun comes up. donny deutsch and jeremy peters still with us on the set. joining the table. msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. in washington, pulitzer-prize winning columnist, associate editor of the "washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. joe, good to have a great panel with us this hour. we'll lead with anthony weiner again. >> let's keep it short. get through it quickly. i wanted -- let's just move, after a couple quick questions,

bigger implications with hillary clinton, the top of politico this morning, talking about how the clinton world is very concerned about this. it's one more distraction. a dust up, obviously. not as serious as say benghazi, but just something that clintons don't want out there right now, as andrea mitchell said, it brings up too many reminders of a painful past for hillary clinton. and so i'm sure they want him to get out of the race as soon as possible and it seems like a lot of new yorkers are feeling the same way, mika. >> a new quinnipiac poll finds support for anthony weiner has dropped substantially since the second round of elicit messages found its way into the national spotlight. the former congressman is now in fourth place with 16% support, down 10 points from last week. new york city council speaker christine quinn leads all democratic candidates followed by a surging bill de blasio. the poll found 53% of new yorkers believe weiner should drop out of the race, but as voters appear to be split on whether the former congressman's

behavior disqualifies him from elected office, weiner is insisting he will stay in the race and, as joe mentioned, that's raising concerns for supporters of hillary clinton. weiner's wife huma has served as a top aide to hillary clinton for years. clinton, by the way, met with president obama for lunch at the white house yesterday and she said to have breakfast with vice president joe biden this morning. so, it's interesting. i mean, i think -- i think there's one other big thing that will be happening in this race that will make a big difference and that is who mayor bloomberg will endorse officially. >> the shameful thing for weiner beyond the obvious, if he truly loved new york -- >> he would get out. >> nobody is talking about any of the issues. this ridiculous hypocrisy, the reason i'm running, i'm better for new york and care about new york, and that flies in any logical sense because you are hurting new york right now. new yorkers want you to step aside. you will get another chance.

let time go by. you will get another chance. step aside. period. >> the whole conversation around how do you restore middle-class incomes and middle-class families, how do you attract new jobs that will pay and allow people to live and enjoy a livable wage, those conversations are just not happening, largely because it's all about him. >> okay. >> are you guys saying that anthony weiner is narcissistic and delusional? big surprise, you know. i mean -- >> wow. ouch. >> i think we knew that. >> gene, if only he could follow the path of another former congressman who has made really good, done great things, like bob filner, out in san diego, if we can just polo -- >> oh. >> filner -- wait a second. bob filner, who acts terribly, is asking the taxpayers of san diego to foot his bills for all these sexual harassment charges. >> that's delusional and --

>> what's wrong with these people? >> i don't know. i don't know where someone in -- in -- has the mindset to behave in a certain way, say you have problems, and then ask the people that you were serving to pay for it. what's wrong with him? >> a lot of people would be surprised to know this is not -- this concept is not that uncommon, because a lot of jurisdictions it's legal for you to use your campaign funds to defend yourself against criminal charges. it happens in new york quite frequently. >> i think this is a little different. moving on, i want to get to eugene's column as well, a rift forming -- >> stay classy, san diego. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> stay classy. >> sorry. i like that movie so much. >> i'm kind of a big deal, mika. >> i know. you really are. >> got me a t-shirt, referencing -- we'll tell you what san diego actually means -- >> it's fantastic. >> that's a little bit -- mika got me a t-shirt one time that

said, i'm kind of a big deal, will ferrell says in "anchorman." >> all the time, joe. >> yes, he is. >> exactly. that's right. i am ron burgundy. >> a rift forming in the republican party is putting the 2016 primary in the spotlight. in a recent speech governor chris christie was critical of rand paul and his libertarian views of foreign policy, saying he wanted him to, quote, sit across from the windows -- widows and orphans and have that conversation. congressman peter king backed up christie's comments. >> when you are rand paul, actually comparing snowden to martin luther king or henry david, this is madness. this is the anti-war, left wing democrats of the 1960s that nominated george mcgovern and destroyed their party for almost 20 years. i don't want that to happen to our party. >> at a fund-raiser in nashville, paul responded. >> the people who want to

criticize me and call names, they're precisely the same people who are unwilling to cuts the spending and their give me give me all my sandy money now, those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense. >> "the daily news" in new york points out that senator rand paul will hold a campaign fund-raiser in new york, in spite of voting against sandy relief. the war of words between christie and paul could set up a possible nasty battle in iowa in 2016. the most recent ppp poll shows rand paul out front with 16%. christie is tied with jeb bush and paul ryan at 13%. all well within, joe, the margin of error. >> and gene robinson, i think we're going to see this battle moving forward with the republican party for some time. the neocons versus the realists and then rand paul even further

along that scale, like his father, real noninterventionist at almost all costs, but fascinating that this battle has begun and, of course, yes, we're looking at 2016 but this is about a bigger fight inside the republican party, whether it's the republican party of the 1990s or whether it's the republican party of george w. bush and dick cheney and the neocons. >> i think you're absolutely right, joe. i think this is a huge fight inside the republican party. we're going to see more of it. it's not just a fight for republicans. it's similar to what we see on the democratic side, in fact, on the kind of far left and kind of far right, there is common cause. there is common ground on a more noninterventionist foreign policy and in the middle, there's a consensus, i think, to basically continue the kind of interventionist foreign policy we've had. i think we're going to see this

sort of bipartisan split on a bunch of issues. we're going to see it on surveillance, we're going to see it on other things come up going forward as the noninterventionist wings of the two parties get stronger. >> that's fascinating, jeremy peters. you have -- let's say the hypothetical matchup were hillary clinton and rand paul, that's not going to happen, i don't think, but if it were, you would have hillary clinton much closer to a wolfowitz/cheney position because hillary in many ways is -- i don't know if you call her exactly a neocon, but she believes in using military intervention a lot more than let's say republicans traditionally did before 9/11, before george w. bush was president. >> right. well that's -- i think this fight over interventionalism and noninterventionalism is one taking place at the fringes right now. when it comes to the actual debate that we'll be having in

2015, in the republican primary, it's probably going to be a lot more about the role of government, the willingness of these candidates to find common ground with democrats,s the ability to lead in a divided government. i think there will be much larger issues than just, you know, whether or not we should intervene overseas. and, you know, one thing i would point out, you go back to that list of the candidates that are -- purported candidates thinking about running, what a robust field. this is going to be such a fascinating race. >> amazing. >> rand paul, marco rubio, ted cruz, chris christie, i mean this -- if we thought bush, right, i mean this is just a reparkble list of candidates. >> joe, so interesting, if you look at that list, i would love to hear your comment on this, if you think about three years ago, four years ago, you had a totally different cast of republican characters arguing over abortion and issues that were not amongst the mainstream conversation. to jeremy's point, you have a

big group of republicans and you got old-school guys, new school guys, libertarian guys, in a lot of ways it speaks well for the republican party to have this kind of big thinking group out there, whether you can find something in all of them you agree with and something in all of them you disagree with. you can't disagree with the fact that they're big figures in the party, to jeremy's point. >> if that field were to run right now, i think you would have jeb bush and chris christie sucking most of the oxygen out of the room, by that i mean, they would get most of the money. i think jeb's got to figure out whether he wants to run or not. it, obviously, sets up, though, some fascinating opportunities for challengers to say wait a second, we're going to have a rematch of a presidential race that happened a quarter century ago, a clinton versus a bush, if that happens, and i know a lot of people will be skeptics and cynical about it, what i'm about to say, look for the possibility of some space in the center and independent candidate as well and anti-washington candidate, a

populace sort of candidate because mika, there are going to be a lot of people restless if they see a clinton/bush rematch coming up in 2016. >> joe -- >> if that's the direction we're moving -- >> if you look at that list, and you go down -- you go down and this is a party that really does have to decide what it thinks about some really big issues, not just defense, but immigration, for example, you've got paul ryan and marco rubio and chris christie perhaps on one side and ted cruz and perhaps rand paul on the other side. it's -- it's a party -- this could be a kind of bloody fight. these are interesting articulate figures who state their positions very well, and -- but this could be rough. >> joe, i don't know if i agree with you on the bush/clinton thing. i would separate bush and clinton where to me the bush brand, might gut meter tells me, people are really ready to move

on. that's the past. where clinton, because bill clinton has this reverence higher than ever now and hillary coming off a great run of secretary of state i don't think has the wear out factor that the bush brand has. >> you know, i mean, maybe in manhattan, on the upper east side, but i will tell you -- >> that's not true, joe. >> in middle america -- >> okay. donny, you don't have to be so personal about it. that makes me sad. >> i don't like making you sad. i don't like making you sad. >> you upper east siders are so arrogant and at the center of the world and can talk down to most of us who come from middle america and live on the upper west side. seriously what's wrong with you? >> carlos danger is a neighbor of mine does not mean i have hubris and stand above. >> danger is your middle name, donny deutsch. you know, the -- we had a lot of people in 2008 thinking that hillary clinton was going to coast in and barack obama, yes, he won because he was an extraordinary candidate, because

he caught the -- a tidal wave, swept to victory, inspirational, but there was already clinton fatigue in 2007. david geffen came out, said some harsh things about -- i mean, here, three years out, everybody is saying wonderful things about hillary clinton. i've made no secret, i thought she ran an extraordinary campaign in 2008. i like her a lot. but if anybody believes that as we get closer to 2016, the press isn't going to start grumbling and there isn't going to start be this sort of clinton burnout factor that there already was in 2007, 2007, which will have been nine years before the 2016 campaign, if my university of alabama math is correct, they're kidding themselves. clinton versus bush, americans are tired of washington, they're sick of washington, their approval ratings are at all-time lows and if people think that we

are going to draw from two families in 2016 and there's not going to be a public backlash to that, i think they're misreading the political tea leaves. there will be. i just -- seems like the safe choice now, i think something is going to happen between now and then. >> i think the one difference is that she's a woman and she could make history and i think americans would get behind that. >> she evolved her brand. >> you bring -- i mean, i agree about keeping it in one -- these two names, dominating. >> the media will demand more also. >> moving on now, the pope is making waves with his latest inclusive comments about gay people and the church and here with us now from rome, nbc news correspondent anne thompson on the story. anne. >> good morning, mika. you know people are really even 24 hours later still shaking their heads at the five words the pope spoke on his plane yesterday, and they were "who am

i to judge" and it appears this is a change in attitudes towards gay priests and gay people. surprises is a hallmark of pope frances' short papacy, paying his own hotel bill the day after he was elected to his love of the crowds. but nothing has stunned the catholic world like his comments on the flight back from rio. towards the end of an extraordinary hour and 20 minute press conference, asked about the so-called gay lobby inside the vatican, the pope said, if a person is gay and seeks the lord and has good will, who am i to judge that person? a sentiment largely welcomed outside new york's st. patrick's cathedral. >> i do think it was a good move. people need to be encouraged to not judge other people based on certain things. >> when pope frances said he wasn't going to judge anyone, i think this is a traemendous breakthrough for the vatican. this is what the mad were church should be about. >> reporter: at chicago's holy name cathedral, opinions were

more divided. >> i don't think he would ever condone gay marriage. it's just not natural. but there's a difference between supporting someone who's gay and supporting something that's immoral. >> reporter: but for this gay catholic, it's a start. >> let's talk about this as mature adults and let's get out of our stereotypes and let's start dealing. >> reporter: and for those in the priesthood, it is perhaps most important. >> what's key here is that the pope is saying that gay people can be good people, can be good priests. >> reporter: now the pope also said that gays should not be marginalized and while he struck a conciliatory tone towards gay when it comes to the issue of women priests, nope, he closed that door. he said, absolutely not. he said, the church had spoken on it and referring to the writings of john paul ii. mika? >> nbc's anne thompson, live in

rome, thanks. joe, how remarkable is this? >> well, you know, it's actually remarkable that a pope saying who am i to judge, on any issue, would make the headlines, it should make the headlines because it was an extraordinary statement. that tells you how far the church has gone -- i'm not talking about gay priests specifically, but the fact that a pope, who runs the largest part of the church would paraphrase jesus christ who said on the sermon of the mount, judge not he be not judged that that would make news across the globe tells you how far some churches have gone from the teachings of jesus himself. i thought it was an extraordinary thing for him to say at an extraordinary moment in time in the history of the church. and if you take what jesus said on the sermon of the mount, the story of the lady at the well, where jesus says to those that are ready to stone a woman who

committed adultery, he who is without sin cast the first stone, this teaching goes throughout the entire new testment, certainly the gospels in jesus' teachings, and basically it's jesus telling his followers, you know what, why don't we leave the judging to god and you worry about yourself. that's the message of the gospels, that's the message the pope delivered in a low-key way yesterday and i think it is a message that actually ironically in reconnecting this church, the teachings of jesus 2,000 years ago, actually puts it in a better position to face the challenges of 21st century than it's been in, in quite some time. >> i agree with you. eugene robinson, thank you so much. your xhp column arguing the leak of nsa information did the country a favor is out in "the washington post." look for that. harold, stay with us you can. still ahead emmy nominee, ana

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all right. 34 past the hour. what was already a huge jewelry heist is actually much, much bigger. authorities have more than doubled the estimated value of the stolen gems to $136 million. nbc news correspondent michele kaczynski is live in cannes with the new details on the major midday heist. michele? >> hi, mika. doesn't it just make you wonder where is that spectacular pile of jewels sitting or moving right now? and how does one gunman on foot

just disappear? but you know what, police sources aren't convenienced he acted completely alone. some experts think this does bare some hallmarks of the notorious pink panther gang. at the hotel where super stars stay, for the cannes film festival, this time the jewels themselves were the stars on display. now we know the gunman sunday grabbed 72 pieces in a matter of seconds, worth about $135 million, possibly the biggest jewel heist the world has ever seen. and then he was out of there, through a window to the terrace to the crowded street, dropping some of the jewels as he ran. from there, who knows, maybe a motorcycle or a car or the jewels just handed off to someone else. police don't necessarily think this was a one-man job. one source says there were likely others waiting. the notorious pink panther jewel theft gang from the balkans has been heisting diamonds for two decades, possibly some 300

robberies now worth more than half a billion dollars. >> japan, thailand, south america, u.s. >> and all over europe. often one well dressed man enters a store followed by one or two more. in one they used torches to melt a security coating on windows. here axes. this one cars to crash into a dubai shopping center. those thefts look different than the latest one the cannes, but the boldness, speed, and success. >> it does have all the hallm k hallmarks of a panther operation. it was simple, one man with a gun, took two bags of stones and walked out. the real test of whether or not this was the panthers is whether or not the stones turn up. if they don't turn up, it probably was them. >> reporter: so this morning, we know police do have surveillance video they're looking at. they're watching the borders. at this point, no sign of that culprit or the jewels.

back to you guys. >> all right. nbc's michele kaczynski, thank you very much. what a great assignment she has. and no, you may not ask her on a date. there's a delay. >> i was not going to ask her on a date. she's just fantastic reporter. where did that come from? >> oh. up next, the rise of henry ford, today the auto pioneer would have turned 150 years old. and author and historian richard snow explains how the michigan farm boy grew up to invent the modern age. keep it right here on "morning joe." if you're seeing spots before your eyes, it's time

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pds today marks 150 years since henry ford was born. joining us now, former editor and chief of "american heritage" magazine, richard snow, out with a book "i invented the modern age, the rise of henry ford." it's great to have you back on the show again. >> thanks for having me. >> so tell us what you look at in terms of henry ford? i just recently saw a documentary on him. i found it fascinating. i want to get to the $5 day soon. >> the a $5 day was the biggest news to ever come out of detroit. >> doubled the minimum wage. >> he doubled it and in an instant brought all of his line workers into the middle class and also in the process making them as customers. nobody was bolting together a cadillac for ford who ever hoped to buy one. >> what a thought. >> but i -- i -- sort of what started me on this was he was kind enough to supply me with the title. i was reading years ago he was talking to -- late in his life talking to a michigan farm boy,

a michigan boy for his local high school paper was interviewing him and ford started getting sentimental about the old times, barn dance and one room schoolhouse and the boy thought this was pretty boring and said that's all very well, mr. ford, but you know, this is the modern age. ford sat him down and said, young man, don't talk to me about the modern age. i invented the modern age. >> and there you have a title. >> and there i had a title. i thought when i read it, this is crazy, but in a way, the more i thought about it, if any one american can claim authorship of our national for tunes in the 20th century, i think it's henry ford. i don't think he was wrong. >> i think it's a fair argument. joe, jump in. >> not only is it a fair argument, that's been one of my favorite stories about henry ford for a long time. i love that, son, basically says, whipper snapper, don't tell me about the modern age, i invented the modern age.

who can say that? henry ford can say that because again, you know, what he did -- and let's talk about first of all how radical it was for him to create the assembly line and to have one man at the time mainly man, doing the same monotonous job over and over and over again, but in so doing, he created an extraordinary operation and he changed the way things were built and then he was such a visionary -- can you explain how much his decision to pay his workers more than a living wage, a good wage, enraged people, even on his own board? >> oh, yes. and "the wall street journal" called it the end of capitalist civilization in a calm moment. but every -- he was great showman in his early years and everything he did took people by surprise.

certainly he in pursuing a goal he had since he was 13, he wanted to make a self-propelled road vehicle that anybody could afford, and he carried that through at a time when he started working, a built automobile cost $5,000 and a good home in the suburbs cost $1800. carry that through today. >> explain how culturally he became a -- he became a legendary figure overnight with this radical idea to pay workers a living wage. >> that was when he -- >> caught -- yeah. it caught americans by such surprise. he became a -- literally a living legend. >> made him the most famous man in america. he had already -- you're quite right saying when he was boasting about inventing the modern age. he didn't say i made a hell of a lot of automobiles. he said he made the society he and the boy were living in. that was the moving assembly line which he invented and that allowed had him to deploy this

car in such tremendous numbers and such a cheap price that everybody could have it. when the money was rolling in, he suddenly and, you know, he was suffering kind of high work turnover, the -- he had broken jobs down to their simplest instead of having one guy do 20 things to make, have 20 guys do one thing and the guys got bored doing it. a lot of turnover. his solution was simple, and philanthropic, i'm making a lot of money, let's spread it around some. in a stroke he doubled the living wage. it made him a national hero and it made him the most famous man in america. >> just, obviously, very forward thinking industrialist, very backward thinking human being, very outspoken antisemitic. how does history reconcile with that? >> it's very odd reading about

him. i don't know of another great man -- i think he was a great man -- the first half of his life -- >> he was a great industrialist. >> well, for the first half of his life he was a genuinely somebody you would want to be around. he was genuinely philanthropic, well motivated, wanted to help people and then all of a sudden, about halfway through this sort of it terrible bitterness settles on his character. become the richest man in america, the most famous, and it's not good enough. and he -- he starts -- he wants to do something to beat the model t. the model t is getting to be old news and makes him crazy when he can't do it. it takes on terrible forms. fires all his high lieutenants, turns on his son. on this show somebody made the wonderful observation for every big complicated problem there is one simple solution and it's all is wrong. and henry ford is one big simple solution to what he saw as the

excesses of industrial capitalism, god knows he wasn't -- he was doing well enough by it -- was the jews. you know, they had their hands on the levers on money, arms manufacturer, all this and he bought a harmless newspaper called "the dearborn independent" and took it national with a 92 series article called "the international jew mankind's greatest menace." can we not call him a great man then? a great inventors. i'm sorry, that's not a great man. >> donny -- >> yeah. >> donny, let me in here for a second, donny. listen, first of all, if you -- obviously it's horrific he was anti-semitic near the end of his life. if you look at him in his totality and understand henry ford's life, you understand the first half of his life he was a remarkable man. he was, in many ways, one of the great men of the 20th century, he certainly became insulated,

isolated and he did absolutely horrific things. you can judge him by that just like you can judge thomas jefferson by the fact that he owned slaves -- >> joe, i can't believe you're giving this guy a pass -- >> donny, donny -- nobody's giving the man a free pass. i'm just saying, is thomas jefferson -- i mean, i'm just saying -- >> jfk. >> these -- >> great man? >> jfk, you can talk about jfk. >> also one of the biggest -- >> we can get into the specifics of jfk, the specifics of a lot of leaders. thomas jefferson, you know, ken burns, not a right wing nut, calls thomas jefferson the man of the millennium because -- because of thomas jefferson, the idea of individual rights and individual freedoms spread across the globe, continue to spread across the globe now over 200 years after his death, and so you have to judge all of

these people in the totality of their lives and that's all i'm saying about henry ford. i will say, i was surprised in going back and reading about henry ford, that the man wasn't born with horns on his head. it bears repeating this morning, i learned myself over the past six months that this very dark, terrible, anti-semitic side, actually grew as he became more insulated and evern turned on his own son and family. >> that's true. he was amazing opaque about it. he had a very close friend, rabbi franklin, head of the reform synagogue in detroit, and he sent him a new model t every year. when he started publishing the slime in his paper, franklin sent the car back to him. ford was astounded, his feelings hurt. called him up. what's the matter, rabbi franklin, did i say something to offend you? >> yeah. >> i guess now ignorance is the excuse. >> no.

no, no. >> okay. donny. >> joe, you and i are really -- >> i'm speaking to a pathology here. >> we've got to go. donny, i'm curious, not to have a historical debate, but what are your feelings about feelingt thomas jefferson. a great leader or not? >> he was a great industrialist. any man who puts 92 articles saying that the jews are a problem in the world is not a great man, period. period. >> thomas jefferson was he the man of the millennium? >> he was very, very different. i think that's an irrelevant comparison. as horrific as it was, slavery was part of our culture. anti-semitism was not common plate if had our culture. >> i have bad news for you. anti-semitism is ramp apt across europe even today.

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politicians, you won't vote for anthony wiener. >> fair point. >> he should not be mayor. >> that's correct. >> it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. a live look and we have donny deutsch. wake up, donny. jeremy peters and andrea mitchell in washington. we had the pot meeting the kettle. and then we move on with anthony wiener. it looks to be taking a toll on his mayor bid. they find support for wiener dropped substantially since the second round of easz imagines that made their way into the national spotlight. the congressman is in fourth place with 16% support, down ten points from of theula week. new york city speaker christine

quinn leads all democratic candidates. 50% of new yorkers believe he should dropout of the race. they are split on whether his behavior disqualifies him from elected office. do you think he can come back from this? >> no. absolutely not. the second time is going to finish him off. there is the thought that there may be more out there, but what's fascinating is finally after months of clinton world staying away, you look at the top of politico and they are not starting to get concerned and he is talking about this and reported on this as well. >> i would like ask her about that because they are very good friends. it would be interesting to see if they separate and distanced themselves. wiener is insisting he will stay

in the race and that raises concern for hillary concern. you have been following this for quite sometime. >> i don't see any sign of them distancing themselves from hula. friends of the clintons and long time members of the circle are concerned with a possible affect on hillary clinton in the future in 20 caen and that could have been top of mind and might be as hillary clinton today has breakfast at the vice president's residence with joe biden after a high profile lunch at the white house yesterday. hillary clinton arrived for lunch with the president on a spring-like day over salad, grilled chicken and pasta, aides said they were catching up and did they talk about the mayhem in cairo or vladimir putin.

wiener is a tabloid nightmare for his wife. hillary clinton's aide. resurrecting embarrassing flash backs they hoped were long forgotten. wiener said he is not going away. >> i don't take my queues from the hadded line writers in the newspapers. those were the 15i78 people who didn't want me to run. >> his campaign manager quit over the weekend and he got a scolding. >>. >> i can talk to myself in that matter, my job would have been gone. >> my wife has given plea a second chance and she is a partner through thick and thin. she is a supporter through the tam pain. >> what do you tell his son? first of all the kid will grow up in a racy mansion and i will say kid, don't complain. others are complaining including the governor. >> this is summer, political

theater in new york. we laugh and we would cry. >> there could be a lot of crying as this continues. he will be out on the campaign trail today. a number of events scheduled. huma was with clinton in washington. breakfast with the vice president. >> donny deutsch. at some point the clintons are going to do what barack obama did throughout his campaign. they are going to throw people under the bus and they started with anthony wiener and there is a back and forth. the guy is finished. he's finished. but the clintons though are finished with him. when are we going to start hearing about his wife saying you know what, there bigger forces in play and you are not going to win. it's time to get out of the race

am. >> let's talk about the hula brand. she is loved across the board and has a broit future. every day she stays in the race, she distances herself from hillary clip on and the voting public. i know i felt when she stood up there and you thought she was amazing and wonderful, but i reacted the other way. i saw an opportunist and something disingenuine. somebody was standing by her political wish to be the first lady of new york. i don't think men or women look at that as brave. they are disgusted bithe whole thing. >> i thought it was amazing, but wonderful was not a word i would use. i thought it was painful. >> did you respect her for that? >> i thought he was really brave and i don't think it's my place to say whether or not she service respect or judgment. here's what sally quinn writes.

blaming huma. she is strong and defiant and sadly makes all women lock weak like helpless victims. she was in the no a position of strength. it was a set back for women everywhere. she is standing by wiener for her family and child. does she think her son will benefit from looking back on his mother's display of lack of self respect? does she believe that she is condoning wiener's behavior sets a good example for her son. there is no line wiener can't cross. he can keep getting away and why shouldn't he be. that's painful, joe. >> what's your take on that. i go back to the famous line in to kill a mocking bird. unless you walk a mile in that purpose's shoes, you don't judge that person. especially low if they have

young children. he's figured out he will not be the next mayor, but he will always be a father to her child. what do you think? that's harsh. i definitely think it's harsh, pu a lot of people feel that way. i knowledge there is a lack of understanding or a generational thing with online relationships versus whatever. i don't get it. if i can just finish, i think with relationships, we just don't really know what's going on. we are sitting here judging. >> i'm judging her as a politician, not as a woman. she has a right obviously and to joe's point, we don't stand in her shoes. this is not a judgment as a wife, but a future political force insulting the new york public saying this doesn't matter, this man can lead. i felt she lost credibility with her own brand. this is not about stay with your

husband. >> right. >> i don't know what their relationship is. their definition of mo not me. no iphone has brought home chlamydia yet. no one around this table is a puritan and a saint and no one at home is a saint either. we don't know what goes on, but it's self destructive behavior and it ek poses knowa achilles heel over and over. what they exposed is a naked political ambition and together they are stronger than a part. raise your child and get out of the lime light and have a strong marriage and do all the things you expectitous do which is show compassion. >> he is showing entitlement. >> a really disported self respect that is banged up and he

needs to go away and deal with that and come back in about five or ten years he can be the leader he said he is today. >> asking for redemption, he doesn't have in the way of political accomplishments. i don't know what going away for ten years is going to do. if he is not building up a resume of achievements, it will be very hard to say hey. some of the this is presumptive to say we know what's going on inside her head and there is obvious no line that she won't allow him to cross. i don't know how anybody can know that. >> i respected what happened and that i didn't know everything. she was incredible low brave. >> you know what i say? what i always said. i have a friend in italy who

repeated it yesterday. who am i to judge is? who am i to judge? >> a friend in italy. >> i'm not so sure the pope was not also talking about gay priests and anthony wiener together. >> the golden rule. >> there is a golden rule? i don't think that's it. it should be the golden rule. mika, let's talk about the story on the pope. it was remarkable. it was remarkable declaration. >> it was. the mayor who wants his legal fees paid for? >> let's get to the mayor. >> we will get to it later. >> he now wants the city council to pay for his defense and sexually harassing allegedly women across the san diego metro. there is that story. no mel itch, let's go.

>> it's a man thing. i'm sorry. they are unbelievably entitled and confident and unself aware. >> as long as you are not looking at me. >> i can't believe that turned into that. i am so happy. >> you can look at that. >> all right. pope francis is back at the vatican after his first foreign trip, but the flight back to europe is making headlines in an airborne news conference enroute from probrazil. he spoke for over an hour delivering responses to questions related to the church's most polarizing policies. ann thompson has the story. >> from the mass attended by more than three million to more personal encounters, spectacular images mark pope francis's trip to brazil.

one of the most dramatic moments came on the ride home. a no holds barred press conference, something no pope has done in years. animated, relaxed and funny, the 76-year-old pontiff took questions for an hour and 20 minutes. asked about the so-called gay lobby in the vatican, the pope gave an answer no one expected. if a person is gay and seeks the lord and has good will, who am i to judge that person? >> it sends a strong message from the head of the catholic church that gay people should not be marginalized and discriminated against. he wants to be inclusive and welcoming to them. >> francis said no, explaining the church it spoken on that. as for the predecessor, pope benedict xvi and francis was like a wise grandfather.

>> he said he cannot live alone for psychological reasons. francis likes to have people around him. he likes having less security around him so chi meet people. he knows there could be a crazy person in the crowd and said there is also the lord. asked what is in his brief case? is it the pope joked, it's not the keys to the atomic am bo. just a razor and some books. the pope with a common touch. showing compassion with actions and words. >> i'm so excited with this pope. that was ann thompson reporting. >> the fact is that so many people saw thiss a remarkable statement yesterday. it's remarkable in and of itself. jesus on the mound. he is paraphrasing jesus who said judge not lest thee be judged and goes on and says why are you lookingly at the speck

in another person's eyes when you have a plank in your own? this has been at the center of jesus's teachings. leave the judging to god. the fact that some get so angry the pope was paraphrasing what jesus christ said this his ministry is remarkable. it is a really positive statement not on the policy of gay priests, hets face it, "the washington post" had a talk with the fact that the cath hicks were filled with gay priests. cemeteries filled with gi men wants profit. this is the reality. this has been the reality in the catholic church skpp i think this statement goes not only to gay priests, but a much larger world view that this pope is willing to express.

that also happens to be what the world view of jesus christ was which this church is supposed to be built upon, the teachings of jesus christ. the statement, who am i to judge is an unassailable statement. because again it comes straight out of matthew. >> joe, i was so struck by this and i thought it was the most remarkable event of the day and the last couple of days. the pope's visit and him going to brazil and speaking about the 54 and despite the security which weres which were real, he was so enthusiastic about mixing the people. what he said on the flight home and i talked to ann thompson about that. it was one time and i thought if i could have been in her shoes. with her history and connection to the church and relationship with him today, i was so happy

for her to have had that experience of talking for an hour and 20 minutes. he answered questions. >> historic. >> you can argue about his position on the issues. women in the clergy. i know some who want him to go further, but this is such a big change just in his attitude. absolutely. coming up on morning show, a multibillion dollar industry. a frontline documentary explores assisted living facilities and what happens when they put profits over care. the race for mayor is focused on sexing. how he plans to cut through the noise. bill karens with a check on the forecast. >> i have dramatic mudslide video and this comes from china. watch that vehicle. the whole mountain side for about a minute comes roit down

on top of that car on the side of a mount ap. they were so fortunate they were not swept over the bank. crazy stuff out of china. nothing like that in hawaii. heavy rain from the tropical storm and now tropical depression. flossie moved through. a little bit of rape in oahu and the big island got hit yesterday. look at the country. the only areas in red were 90 degrees. this being los like late fall or late summer. this is crazy that it's only 62 this morning in chicago. you don't need the air conditioning and the ohio valley in the northeast is 67 degrees in atlanta. they will at least warm up to near normal levels. a beautiful day in now england. boston about 81 and cool in chicago. not a lot of troublesome areas. heavy rain on memphis. >> doesn't know and hasn't see

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>> she starts out pretty much like walt in that. she is a woman who life threw curveballs at them. they thought it was going to be something else. they ended up like a lot of families dealing with bills and not a lot of money. a son with special needs and she is troying to get boy and they are putting one foot in front of the other and she's somebody who tries to get through by controlling everything. and then all of a sudden she has to deal with the set of circumstances that get thrown at her by finding out he has terminal lung cancer and he's a drug dealer. then she has to deal with that. does she turn him into the police and run away with the kids? when she decides to stay and dole with the situation, that's when it becomes interesting for

her. show is like walt in that she thinks she is smart enough to deal with the situation. that's both of them as a character. >> with skyler's character that is welcoming complicit in knowing what's going on and you can see you become scared of this guy, especially after the fried chicken goy goes one way. remember him? he's spooky scary. walt really takes over the command and the lead. you can see skyler internalizing all of that. >> she does. >> figure it out. bad dude she is married to. >> are when she gets into the crime, she thinks we will do this and launder the money this way and she is smart enough to do that. she locks into his eyes that one day when she said here's what swhee do. go to the police and do these things to get out of it.

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>> i am assuming. my guess is he becomes part of the empire. that's my guess. >> that's an interesting guess. he doesn't easy into anything. it launches like a rocket ship and starts off and it launches like that. it never lets up. it's intense. not one second. >> after that intense ride in the series ends, you come over to new york and spend time and get dun to earth, right? >> yes. i would like to. i want to come in and do theater here. >> that would be great. come back and tell us about it. we will be watching. final season of breaking bad returns on sunday, august 11th on amc. i need to catch up. this sounds dpd. >> binge television. >> i did it with house of cards. i watched the tv show. >> season after season after

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>> joining us now, public advocate and new york city mayoral candidate. a poll shows support for him is up points in the last week. welcome to the show. >> thank you, mika. >> we already talked on the break about how we would do this interview. >> are you aware of the anthony wiener scandal? >> i heard of it. you can fill me in. >> we will talk about the side show and put it aside. what do you think of the side show. how do you cut through when all they talk about. where is pot meets kettle some. >> the side show has to end. i think he loves new york city and should act on that by stepping aside. today's papers, you are right. we are not talking about issues like racial profiling or the affordable housing prices or hospitals in brock lynn. we are talking about one individual and this election is

supposed to be about all of us. michael bloomberg made a now imprint and we need a new imprint. >> what's good and bad about it. >> very strong and a public health environment. he was right about mayoral control of education. i would continue that, but it has to be more respectful and inclusive of parents. paik us 2409 just to wall street, but something diverse for the future. he didn't dress inequality. we had growing inequality and affordability crisis and the tale of two cities. the report is 46% of new yorkers at or near the poverty level. 150% or lower. this is a city now that for many people is a struggle to live in and make ends meet in. immense pressure here and around the country on downward pressure and the mayor is a place where

you can address some of that. bloomberg didn't cast his gaze in that direction. >> what do you think of minimum wage and the fast food workers proare protesting because they make a salary they cannot live on. >> i participated, trying to experience what minimum wage means in the support. it's unsupportable and impossible to live on minimum wage with a family. we need to go in this city to the $9 minimum wage and set our own minimum wage. our conditions are so different than in albany. i would like to index it to inflation and go from there. it's the mayor who helps those fast footworkers get organized into a union yon to get decent wages. >> one more question. what do you make of the frisk policy? >> i think it's corrosive and undermining the safety of the city and for young men of color, it sends a horrible message that

they are not part of the society in the same way. if you are a law-abiding young man, thank you will be stopped. >>. >> do you think they are being viable? >> with the ban, the mar oi vito will have a big fight over the next few weeks. without it i don't think i can get him away from the practice with unconstitution and corrosive. parents and grandparents don't lick to see the young men stop and treated as suspects. until it ends, we can't heal the relationship. >> the same question i asked scott running for control in new york. i said to him, it has to be frustrating if are you when you see 13i9ser on jay leno and he is way ahead of the polls and hasn't had the same digression and that awareness trumps anything else even if it has a negative spin. it had to be frustrating for

you. wiener is dead now with this second one. >> name value. >> it's got to be hard for a goy like you. it has to miss you off. >> of course there were frustrating moments, but i had fagz that people started to focus in the weeks before the election. when people start to focus a real profreszive impulse will come out in the electorate. they see the challenges and they want change. i am the alternative in this race and we thought overtime support would come this way. i have to tell you, on this racial profiling ban and the fight against the hospital close in brock lynn. >> in a twisted way, are you riding wiener's coat tails. you may not have been on the national news show. there is the flip side benefit. >> i would argue if it hasn't been for the side show and we

are talking about the two or people that had been mayor, we would talk about the issues. woe lost time in the public debate, but we can regain it. weeks until the primary and it's time to put to the issues. >> his 16% would be a big help to you. would you want his endorsement? >> he invalidated himself as a public figure. that's not an endorsement. >> i think that's fair. bloomberg's endorsement you would seek. >> i don't think that would be offered. >> one of the guys you are running against only lost by five points. people are ready for something fresh. >> they want someone it focus on the outer borrows. that was not his strong suit. >> so many people feel she was living in blom berg's shadow.

>> she was his top ally and gave him a third term against the people's will. i have said that the bloomberg issue is affecting core issues. donny knows what i mean. the outer borrow folks feel left out. i think quinn is the candidate of bloomberg continuity and i am calling if are a more progre progressive vision. >> it's counter intuitive. you go against bloomberg and push quinn back in the corner. something different. i think your platform is right on. >> i get paid big bucks. >> what do you make of the big drinks some. >> i'm with the mayor on that? as a parent we need help keeping kids away from the sugary drinks. >> okay. thank you and so nice to meet you. tomorrow we will talk to bill thompson. up next, accused of manipulating

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bring her back with bear girl. can we see that again. 750,000 americans are in s sifted living facilities, but it doesn't translate on into the next care. in a new documentary, we have that next here on "morning joe." thanks to the grit and resilience and determination of the american people, we've been able to clear away the rubble from the financial crisis. we started to lay a new foundation for stronger, more durable economic growth. but we're not there yet.

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one person who fell. >> she was there ten days and had a fall and she was found facedown on the floor. she was taken to the hospital alone. this woman suffered from dementia. they didn't have enough care giving staff to put someone in the ambulance with her that could be her voice and talk for her at the hospital. she comes back and that's it. she is put in bed and a wheelchair. she doesn't move anymore. that's what starts her break down. she was in the fetal position. she wasn't bathed. she had eight different areas of skin damage. >> that was the scene from the front line in the es pose life

and death in assisted living. a reporter and front loin correspondent, a.c. thompson. thank you for joining us and doing this. >> thanks for having me on. >> policy about the choices in terms of where you decided to focus and why. >> when we started looking at assisted living, we realized it was a hidden world. there were all these things happening that nobody knew about. nobody knew about people like this. the hall of famer died in a facility. hoe had dementia and he apparently didn't know he was drinking toxic dish washing liquid and died of caustic burns. no one knew the stories. no one knew what was happening. we felt like we wanted on go as deep as possible and bring it to peoplement. >> what other things did you find in terms of things that are

done to bost the bottom loin. >> we found a and an industry that has a very, very intense focus on sales. it foals more like a used car sales lot than a senior care facility. what we found was people really focused on making deals on selling rooms and renting rooms out to seniors and less focus on care and making sure that seniors get all the attention and supervision they need. they track every single thing involving money in its buildings and has about 500 across the country. the top nurse said under oath in court, he had no way to ensure the people working for the company had to legally require training. to us that stuck out as a serious dicot mow. >> elder a bobuse will continue

be a problem in our country as people live longer and people figure out what it do with grandparents and parents. what did you learn about direct family and family responsibilities and what they were not aware of and how they trusted the care of their loved ones. >> one thing i realized is this is a black box where many state in california, it's heard to get information about the facilities. the state doesn't post inspection reports online. you have to go to a state office and set up an appointment to go through the files. when you do, they don't make a lot of sense to an average person. what we found was in a lot of ways, there was a knowledge gap between the consumers and the companies. >> donny? >> i wasn't surprised about this. i don't think gls constituency that has less advocacy than

elders. i don't know what makes this better. >> it's right. one thing that we encounter and it stuck out to us, the country has been very, very focused on finding a cure on alz himers and dementia and less focused on how to care for the people with alzheimer's and dementia. what the best practices are to lock after them. >> did they respond to what you found? >> we did on camera interviews with the company and the ceo. we are electricing at a few isolated incidents and we are seeing that it seems to be a pattern. >> the frontline and the ses mow street, life or death 10:00 p.m. on pbs. >> we turn now to business

before the bell. at the top of the headlines, jpmorgan in possible trouble. >> yeah. they are settling a charge that they manipulated an energy crisis in california. they will pay the government $410 million, about 2/3 will be a fine and the rest is the disgorgement of the profits. energy is one of the most bizarre marks out there. here's what they are accused of doing and paid a fine for. at night when energy prices are low, they bid them up so in the morning the companies would go to buy energy and find the prices artificial low high. it takes a few hours to get a power plant going. they have to buy in the morning when it was very, very expensive. those costs would pass through. they were challengered with jacking up ras when people were not buying things. they were overly expensive and they will pay a fine and a

penalty of 410 million authorize. settling that case with the natural energy regulatory commission. >> since too big to fail, this is price fixing. nobody goes to jail. when do any of these banks have to pay the piper for what they do? >> it seems like the course is getting louder and good morning. you had people discuss this goldman sachs and aluminum situation and you have judge, p morgan and energy. we went for mortgages and stocks and we are going to the commodity. you want to have a bore? it will reignite the debate about the bank rolls in these commodity markets. not even physical. they are changing the computer. the jacked up race because you

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personality and bill is an interesting character in the new york mayoral race. >> there is a great race without wieners. >> wouldn't it be great if that was the ultimate network? we will have to think about that. >> that was so inside baseball. >> thank got we have donny here as much. if it's too early, can you tell america what time it is. >> she left, but it's time for morning show. >> "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. >> i think she stayed. >> a little grand bargain shopping. president obama prepares a new tax pitch to find a budget deal to boost the economy and job growth. we will hear from the communications director as well as republican senator bob corker. meantime in washington, secretary kerry hosts negotiators to try