>> tennessee. >>. >> we took on a broken health care system, invested in new american technologies, changed the tax code, saved an auto industry. we've seen an endless parade of posturing and phony scandals. the stakes couldn't be higher. we should be doing everything we can to create more good jobs, doing nothing doesn't help the middle class. we need to raise our minimum wage because right now, it's lower than it was when ronald reagan took office. >> we're lacking action. >> if folks in washington want a grand bargain, how about a grand bargain for middle class jobs? i'm going to keep on throwing ideas out there to see if something takes. i want everybody to just hear the honest truth. i've run my last campaign. so i don't need to spin. ♪

>> we'll get to the president's economic push in just a moment. but first to a verdict in the case of army private bradley manning, the controversial source of wikileaks largest disclosures of u.s. military and diplomatic secrets. this afternoon, a military judge acquitted the former intelligence analyst of aiding the enemy but convicted him of espionage, theft and computer fraud charges. he could face up to 136 years in prison. i'm joined now by my msnbc colleague ari melber who is also an attorney. so the judge has found that though bradley manning did leak classified information, he has been acquitted of aiding the enemy. does this mean, ari, that leaking information to journalists is not yet regarded as an act of treason. >> i think that's right. that's the important distinction. these are very serious charges that manning was convicted of today. there were ten counts he and his

lawyers said he he was willing to plead guilty to. the government wanted more. they got a lot more including espionage charges. on this historic potential conviction that the government wanted on aiding the enemy, the idea that giving you or me or any journalist or any website information is the same as working directly with terrorists, that attempt, was knocked down today. >> ari, do you accept the view that will this verdict is more about warning others that liking classified material will be severely punished by the united states government than it is really about bradley manning? >> look, that's a very tough question. the oath and the obligations of these military prosecutors is to only deal with the case before them. and we don't have any evidence to suggest that they didn't try to obviously look at the fakes before them and make their charges although i've argued as have other legal canadien tate a -- commentators that the aiding the enemy was too far.

in the doj they make decisions about how to do things and they have clearly made a decision broadly at a policy level to be aggressively enforce these laws not only for the leaking which no one debates is against the rules, but for treating leaks increasingly as part of a betrayal or treesennous activity that directly helps enemies. that hasn't been the way that most administrations in both parties i should mention have historically dealt with this. >> ari melber, thank you so much. now to the commander in chief. pounding the platform and pushing his economic message. the president is on the road for a second week and today in tennessee, he's playing "let's make a deal" with house republicans. now, while some may be tempted to believe that this is a dangerous game of "jeopardy!" today felt more like an aedition of who wants to be a corporate millionaire. speaking at an amazon distribution center in chattanooga, tennessee, the

president said he's willing to package corporate tax cuts in return for investment in middle class jobs. >> if folks in washington really want a grand bargain, how about a grand bargain for middle class jobs. i'm going to try offering something that serious people in both parties should be able to support. a deal that will simplifies the tax code for our businesses and creates good jobs with good wages for middle class folks who work at those businesses. >> that sounds like a deal so sweet that new york city's mayor might be tempted to ban it, right? surely after the gop has spent the last several years banging on about tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, jobs, jobs, jobs, they can't say the no to that. can they? >> it's just a further left version of a widely panned plan he already proposed two years ago. this time with extra goodies for tax and spend liberals. >> yes, those famous goodies

they love to talk about. as the for house speaker john boehner, his office released a statement "this proposal allows president obama to support president obama's position on taxes and president obama's position on spending while leaving small businesses and american families behind." a spokesman for speaker boehner said earlier today that their office was not informed of the offer till they heard about it throughnous outlets. that's interesting because the white house said they called the speaker's office yesterday, left a message and didn't hear back. obviously the speaker has a among the long summer reverse to plan for so apparently there's no time whatsoever for the courtesy of returning a call. let's get to our panel. here with me in new york is msnbc contributor joy reid, the managing editor of the grio.com. dana milbank from the "washington post" and jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. joy, the president has proposed

multiple variations. >> yes. >> a grand bargain that included cuts to earned entitlements. a jobs act ta emphasized infrastructure, nothing worked. now he's offering serious cuts in corporate tax rates. surely the republicans can accept this as an idea. >> yeah, i mean, offering republicans tax cuts is supposed to be like offering a chain smoker a gret. they always take it. >> or a drunk a glass of bourbon. >> that might be more apt in this case. republicans they always are having to balance this desire to rebut and refuse anything that comes from the hand of barack obama. whanl is supposed to be their ideology. for years and years, including paul ryan, he they've said lower the corporate tax rate. the president is offering 3 hearse% more than what paul ryan. ryan wanted a 25% corporate tax rate. obama is saying 28. make it very simple for businesses to fill it out, which are all things paul ryan used to want. the problem for republicans is

this is not going to be a tax cut in and of itself. it's married to a stimulus package. and backdoor stimulus has been the only way that the obama administration has been able to be do things that stimulate job growth including rebuilding schools, infrastructure building, the idea of investing in college programs. these are supposed to be things that are bipartisan. because it comes from obama and because there's spending attached to it, even though it's deficit neutral, this he say no to that gret. >> jared, this afternoon we've been watching republicans in the senate call for the repeal of the affordable care act. that's air answer for everything. along with cutting -- i imagine that -- there we have pictures live of mr. marco rubio speaking about defunding obama care, of course, alongside the great ted cruz. jared, doesn't this proposal that the president is making actually strike at the heart of our fundamental problem, which is creating jobs? that's what we need to

strengthen this slow recovery, and that's what the president is proposing, right? >> absolutely. and interestingly, it's what the president has been talking about and i think in a way with a kind of energy that he hasn't really been out on the stump with for a while. for example, one of the things he's saying is that washington needs to turn away from just a spending cut agenda as if somehow austerity is going to lead to jobs. he's been very strong and lear on that point. he called the austerity framework a damaging framework relative to the one that he's trying to espouse now. and i very much agree with comments joy made. here is a case where he is offering up something that republicans have literally clamored for as long as i've been in this town. >> yes. >> you can't talk to one of these folks about tax reform for more than 30 seconds before you hear a corporate tax rate cut. and the fact that it is coupled

with a program in infrastructure and manufacturing and employment and worker training is also actually chosen to be areas where republicans have historically agreed that those are legitimate kinds of job creation measures. for instance, he's not saying we should have more public school teaches or more head start slots. >> lord for bid he would say that. >> he's talking about manufacturing and infrastructure. so what you're seeing here is just a level of obstructionism that goes beyond what we've seen thus far. >> dana, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, one of your favorites, described the president's proposal as a serious blow to bipartisan action here in washington. so i guess in mr. mcconnell's view, the only thing that would constitute bipartisan action by this president would be if he resigned immediately, described 47% of the nation as fektless freeloaders and then took a job at bain capital, is that right? >> that would be a good start, martin. >> that would be a start.

>> the house republicans came out with a new slogan this week, stop government abuse. i think they should changing it to stop government. it doesn't really matter what this president is proposing, the answer is no. there was literally a debate in the house last week at which one moment he's being called a socialist and he's in the pocket of corporate america. it doesn't matter what he's going to do. you could argue maybe the president should go bigger in a broader tax reform proposal if they're going to say no anywhere, why not fight for something big as opposed to just reviving something he offered them in the past. the plain truth of the matter is, doesn't matter what he's saying, the answer is no. they're interested in going to a government shutdown on october 1st. >> i want to speak to one point. there has been some criticism here because this is decouples corporate tax reform from individual tax reform as if everybody wants to do that. put that aside. one of the things that one of the reasons i actually like what the president's doing is because

on the individual side, republicans are absolutely dug in on no new revenue and the president and democrats aren't there at all. on the corporate side, the president has said revenue flute tralt. that should be something the anti-revenue side could agree with, but of course, they won't. >> joy, i'd like to you listen to the president as he offered a neat encapsulation of what's about to follow. take a listen to this. >> so far for most of this year, we've seen an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals and as washington heads towards yet another budget debate, the stakes couldn't be higher. >> he's right, isn't? >> he >> yeah, absolutely. one of the things that the president said today that is probably troubling for a lot of democrats is he said he's run his last campaign because in reality, the most important inflection point might not be october 1st. it might be november 2014 because it's now crystal clear to anyone who doubted it at all

that the only cure for this gridlock is a different congress. that while you have this configuration in the house, while eventual an utterly weak and useless in a way peek suer of the house john boehner who can't even take a phone call and return it, while you have it have him in place unable to rule this unruly bunch of ideologues, you can't get anything done even what republicans want like corporate tax cuts snults thank you all so much. coming up, issues of race and justice take center stage on capitol hill. and we'll be joined by a member of congress just ahead. stay with us. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore.

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just over a week since the president's historic speech on race and just a day after he pledged to strengthen the voting rights act, the fight for justice is getting wider and deeper. it's also getting a bit embarrassing for republicans. in washington today, they were dual events one held by house democrat leader nancy pelosi and the congressional black caucus on race and justice. the other held by democrats john conyers and ben cardin to promote their bill that would help identify instances of racial profiling. on monday, civil rights leaders including al sharpton met with the president and the attorney general to discuss how the executive branch plans to fight voter i.d. laws which many believe are thinly veiled attempts at voter suppression. that will same day, just a few hundred miles south is, north carolina reportedly witnessed its largest ever moral monday protests at the state capitol.

thousands of protesters demonstrated against the gop-led state government's radical new policies including severe new restrictions on early voting and voter registration. when a reporter pressed the republican governor top defend several controversial points of that bill, this is how the governor responded. "i don't know enough, i'm sorry, i haven't seen that part of the boil." joining us now is democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. good afternoon, ma'am. >> good afternoon, thanks for having me on. >> it's a pleasure to have you. "the washington post" is reporting that attorney general holder he hopes that his legacy is a defense of civil rights. but my question for you, ma'am, is will it be congress's legacy, as well? >> well, i certainly hope it's congress's legacy. i have to tell you after the supreme court came back with the decision against voting rights, you know, talking to some of my colleagues that have been in congress for a long time,

they're encouraged we can do a fix here that would be bipartisan as a new member of congress only here three years, it's hard for me to imagine that, but i will continue to be hopeful and i think you know under john connyers can' leadership, we will be able to get the job done. >> i know the british are generally regarded as more responsive towards the notion of irony. doesn't it seem ironic to you that the supreme court decides knock down sections of the voting rights act and within a matter of weeks, this north carolina governor signs a bill that introduces the most severe oppressive you know kind of ideas proposals that will suppress the vote? >> well, i guess now he's going to tell us he didn't realize what he signed. i mean to say that he -- to say that he's signing a bill and he hasn't read it is just frightening. i think what he is saying is exactly how light he takes the

subject. he doesn't take it seriously. restricting voting you know there were measures that were introduced through legislatures around the country within the day after the supreme court decision. >> congresswoman, people gharve lives to vote in this country. you're telling me the chief justice doesn't realize the weight of what the voting means in this nation? >> well, you know how ironic is that? it's my understanding that the supreme court didn't even take into consideration the tens of thousands of examples of how voting was restricted in the last election when they made that decision. so you know, people are acting as though this was a problem that was 50 years ago and why are you still talking about it. hey, this was just a few months ago. frankly just a day ago when you have people who were going to pass and sign legislation that would restrict the right to vote, our most fundamental way we can demonstrate this is a democratic society, we want to

run around the word and tell them how they should have proper elections, but yet, in 2013, we can't figure out how to do that? >> let me play you something senator ben cardin said at a news conference with mr. conyers today. listen to this. >> in trayvon martin's case, the jury has sproeken to the criminal liability but there is no question that but for racial profiling trayvon martin would be alive today. he was identified solely because of what he looked like rather than any facts related to an individual crime. >> how do you convince people that racial profiling is wrong when some people have no qualms about going on television and spouting the worst most ludicrous claims about black people in this nation? >> well, i mean, i think it's absolutely right. let me just congratulate you for even being willing to have this issue raised in such a frank and direct manner. because you know, in our society, we are so uncomfortable

when race comes up, we don't even like to talk about it at all. there's a large part of society is that just dismisses it. but to say that this is a problem has gone away. all you have to do is look at the response after the verdict to see how polarized our society is. >> andthon issue of voting rights, ma'am, do you hold out any expectation that the most dysfunctional obstructive congress in the history of america is going to do something constructive to restore the voting rights act? >> you, you know, the only reason why i have that hope is because of my colleagues that have been here for a long time who tell me that there are republicans who defending voting rights has been a part of their legacy. i was shocked to hear that, but i am glad to hear it. and i will you know, follow the wisdom of people who have been here far longer than i have. >> thank you so much for your commitment to this issue. >> you're very welcome. >> coming up, a republican love

story? not so much. rand paul hits chris christie below the belt in today's top lines. >> it's really i think kind of sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims and say, oh, i'm the only one who cares about these victims. hogwash. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. that's a good thing,

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from hogwash to bloviating here are today's top lines with friends like these -- >> i love all these esoteric debates that people are getting in. >> senator rand paul for example. >> give me all the money have you. >> you can name any number of people and he's one of them >> he he's not very smart. >> these esoteric intellectual debates. >> he's not real smart for republicans to be attacking republicans. >> sit across from the wid doze

and the orphans and have that conversation. they won't. >> the republican party's on life support in the northeast. >> party identification the percentage of americans who call themselves republicans. >> the republicans are in danger of becoming an endangered species. >> all-time low. lower than water guaheet sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims and say, oh, i'm the only one who cares about these victims. >> that means they're in for a sea of bloviating. a sea of bloviating which will likely lead nowhere. >> not by saying gimme gimme all the time. >> the neanderthals are fighting with the crow mag nons. >> rand paul comparing snowden to martin luther king, this is madness. this is the anti-war left wing democrats of the 1960s who destroyed their party for almost 20 years. >> your revolution is over. >> i don't want that happening to our party. >> the bums will always lose. you hear me? >> let's get right to our panel,

joining us now is professor michael eric dyson from george two university and republican strategist hogan gidley. welcome back to both of you. professor after listening to "top lines," i'm seriously concerned we're witnessing widespread forms of thuggery and republican on republican violence. i thought this kind of dlint sit only took place in certain urban communities but this is what we're seeing between republican presidential candidates? >> they'll blame black culture first for its wide influence. >> it's all down to baggy pants. >> it's no doubt about it. you know, obviously, squabbles are good and healthy. people ought to express their differing viewpoints. it's rather interesting that the soul of the republican party is at stake here and that people are making arguments based upon you know, strange alliances and they become strange bedfellows because on the one hand, they're forced to acknowledge that maybe

some liberals or progressives have a viewpoint that is legitimate and on the other hand, some of the conservatives are finding themselves at a loss for words to really express how they can remain relevant to the broader conversations in american society. so when it comes to intelligence is, surveillance, when it comes to food stamps, when it comes to talking about how we will secure our border, all of these issues find themselves -- republicans find themselves hard pressed to offer offer sallest and relevant answers so at least they're coming into the 20th century. i applaud them for internal squabbles. if they could resolve it in a peaceful manner that would benefit the american people, weighed have is progress. >> you see peter king talking about isolationism and the fears he has for your party. republicans are also divided over immigration, also divided over shutting down the government. who do you think, hogan, will win these fights and lead the republican party into the

promised land? >> oh, gosh. that's a long way off. that's a million dollar question. what's interesting about this debate for me is, we're years away from any presidential. these twos people are calling each other out by name, mocking each other's policies, mocking each others positions on these issues. it's phenomenal. but it should be noted, i live in south carolina. so these presidential candidates come through here frequently. rand paul was here recently and i wanted to hear kind of what he was about. coming off of doma, off prop 8 and coming off the immigration battle, he didn't mention one of those things in his speech. he spent the entire speech distancing himself from his dad on military issues. i think that's very telling on where this guy's going to be as you move forward through the 2016 psych. >> hogan, what did you think of an individual using 9/11 and saying that chris christie was somehow by expressing compassion for constituents who lost their lives, that that was somehow

begging for more government money? >> yeah. using anybody's death for political gain i think is quite frankly reprehensible. you know, this is the battlefield that will be the republican party in the future. professor dyson absolutely right on that. where will we go from here? we have two people and the question remains and it will be an issue i think throughout the entire presidential election, both in the primaries on both sides and also in the presidential is, how much government are we willing to give up, how much privacy are we willing to forfeit to the government in exchange for protection from that government? and these two folks are laying the groundwork early for a nasty battle, but to use the 9/11 victims in any way, shape, or form in this manner i think is deplorable and wronging >> professor, in the senate right now ted cruz, marco rubio and mike legal are talking about shutting down the government over the affordable care act.

listen to senator cruz. >> if for the next 62 days we see what i believe we're going to see which is the american people rising up en masse, standing up saying, it isn't working, it's hurting our jobs, it's hurting our health care and making our lives worse stand up and defund it. >> professor, are we going to see crowds calling for their own newly acquired health insurance to be taken away from them? >> i don't think so, martin. given and what brother gidley just spoke about in terms of a reasonable expression of he compassion and sympathy on the part of republicans, he could become hogan's hero. the reality is that the republican party is at a loss to understand its connection to everyday people and i don't think, look, i agree with brother gidley if you use somebody's death for political gain, it's problematic and even crass and perhaps obscene. but to cite as a basis of

compassion victims and then talk about why we should be pay attention to them is something that is germane to the american soul. i think those ho argue about the politicization of death, who talk about politicizing neckology if you will, miss the point it's the living who need compassion. when we can talk about obama care and extending the fundamental right to health care that those senators enjoy that they're denying toer whos i think we've got a crisis of conscience within the republican party and the unfortunate thing is, they don't consider is a crisis of conscience. the more heartless they are, the more they feel they're being robustly republican and true to their roots. i think this is the schism in the american soul. >> professor, i want to move to a new subject if i might. one lemon on another network has suggested that the toxic reductionistic and patronizing simplicities offered by certain sections of the conservative media don't go far enough. take a listen to this.

>> young black men often reject education and gravitate towards the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangsing >> he is right about that, too. but in my estimation, he doesn't go far enough. >> so professor, could you please explain to our audience how the needless shooting death of an innocent teenager now has more to do with hip-hop lyrics, soul food restaurants, than it does with a neighbor watch mann who shot him? >> yeah, that's utterly banal. i think it's awfully misled. don lemon is a friend of mine, but on then score i think that mr. lemon has missed the boat. the reality is we can't blame the victims. we can't blame people who are victimized by a vicious attitude that profiles them. mr. lemon himself perhaps has been profiled. that has nothing to do with pulling your pants up, learning

to say yes, sir or no, sir. president obama does not sag. he does not wear a hood. yet, he is victimized anvillified with temp pestuous assaults by the far right wing. it's not his sartorial choice. it's the color of his skin and the color of his politics and the character of his progressive ideas. what we have to focus on is the fact that millions of african-american people are repeattively and constantly and viciously profiled in this country and we must not talk about the politics of respectability. we can outbehave anybody. it was the law that was wrong. martin luther king jr. dressed right but the law was wrong. in this case we have to talk about the law, not the choices can of clothing of young people who in any case have the right to grow up, make mistakes and become full-fledged members of our society. >> hogan, what do you think of mr. oh rilly's comments? >> look, he doesn't need me to be a defender of his. i'm not a defender of his. i will say this like reverend al

would say. we're all able to have different opinions. we're not able to have different facts. in in particular instance, i don't think that o'reilly was hooking in martin's shooting to the current crisis in the african-american community. the stats bear out 75% or so of after man american children are born out of wedlock. the murder rate is ten times that of the whites and hispanics combined. i think he was looking for the civil rights leaders of the day to work on some type of solutioning there instead of focusing on repealing stand your ground law. we can differ on that. don lemon was underlining that point, not the trayvon martin stuff. >> here's the point. it's a kind of haphazard and catch-as-catch-can argument. bill o'reilly has pronounced no sympathy for african-american people. he's constantly lecturing us from his bastarized podium

without understanding the existential and moral crisis that attend the victimization of black people. i want to see the film way, way back last night. are we going to say white culture is pathologyized because it refuses to take care of its children? and that they don't care about the fundamental structure of the family. >> there's a lot of crass materialism that refuses to care for the other. we can talk about the pathology at the heart of the white family. what we need to do is speak about common goals of making sure our children are protected and focus on african-american vulnerability that mr. o'reilly refuses to acknowledge is deeply rooted in the systemic denial of opportunity to black american people. yes, black on black crime is real but white on white crime is real. deal with that, mr. o'reilly along with these other facts and

you would be legitimate. >> but he's using his pulpit. he's using his pulpit to show. >> reduction yis tick though it is. hogan, professor, thank you so much. coming up, the clintons are reportedly vid. does this finally signal the last dance for anthony wiener? maybe not. >> if you do hear from the clintons, would that influence your cappedcy for mayor if you or huma hear? >> i want to tell you something, i am not terribly interested in what people who are not voters in the city of new york having to say. it's back to school time and we're talking with maria about the walmart low price guarantee. you got your list? let's go. if you find a lower advertised price they'll match it at the register. really... yeah, in a "jif". you ready? what?! that's the walmart low price guarantee backed by ad match. bring in receipts from your local stores and see for yourself.

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invested in this effort can make peace for one simple reason. because they must. a viable two-state solution is the only way this conflict can end. and there is not much time to achieve it. and there is no other alternative. >> joining us now from the white house is nbc's peter alexander. peter, nobody is exaggerating or undermining should i say the very difficult obstacles that stand in the wave any kind of negotiated peace. but it's rare for the president to turn up at a meeting and that's obviously some kind you have signal. so what are you hearing from the white house as to what the president was trying to say by meeting with these negotiators? >> yeah, martin, be very clear. this new effort is the first time in three years that the israeli and palestinian sides have met together in the white house. officials tell me trying to recognize or trying to demonstrate the fact that the

president is in full support as they note he is sort of locked in with the efforts of the secretary of state john kerry to try to bring these two sides together. the announcement today within about the next two weeks or so will be the first formal meeting between the two sides to take place in the middle east in that region in either israel or the palestinian territories. john kerry has acknowledged the challenges that exist there. kerry has also made six trips over the last five months. in many ways the signal by the president was to 0 commend them for the leadership on both the israeli and palestinian sides and that of the secretary of state and to say at that time white house stands behind this effort and kerry's effort going forward. >> briefly, if you can is, these negotiations we understand are expected to last for nine months. however, no one's saying that the nine months is a deadline. swheel do they hope to get out of these particular talks for the next nine months. >> timetables are very obvious

when it comes to middle east peace. they've too often failed. so this isn't a deadline. the hope is over the course of the next nine months they can expedite this process. the first visit taking place in about two weeks from now. the desire is to have a final agreement, to have a final status agreement and a two-state solution, but as the president and the john kerry said that, has to be determined between the two sides, the u.s. can only push them together. >> peter alexander, thanks so much for your reporting. coming up, who better to legislate the bodies of women than a group of aging white men in congress? here we go again. ♪ est news in breakfast is actually tiny. new kellogg's raisin bran® with omega 3 from flax seeds. plus plump juicy raisins. flax seed? who are you? i still got it. [ male announcer ] invest in your heart health with kellogg's raisin bran® cereals.

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whenever the gop starts throwing up smoke and mirrors, you can be sure it's because they don't want you to pay attention to what the men are really doing behind the curtain. and so in this week's edition of republican smoke and mirrors,

it's their claim that it's the democrats who are really waging a war on women. using the opportunity of anthony wien ser, eliot spitzer and bob filner topping the news, she pac, a conservative political action committee with ties to sarah palin, sent an e-mail to supporters which read in part "liberal men are leading a violent war on women." adding the real war on women is coming from the left." indeed, those are three incidents of despicable behavior by men who happen to be democrats. but this is not to be confused with the real tral war being waninged against women's reproductive rights continuing to be fought by our friends in the republican party. that war has already claimed victories in texas and north carolina and is now making a move to bring the battle to the national stage. for more, i'm delighted to say we're joined by alise hogue, president of naral pro-choice america. good afternoon. >> great to be on. >> thank you. is the right simply taking pro

lit sizing these money have made horrible mistakes or do they really not understand the difference between a legislative agenda that restricts the rights of women versus a few isolated incidents of an bobable behavior by men against women? >> look, harassment is a problem throughout our culture. unfortunately, we see it in both parties. but the right's outrage was not at all apparent when, say, herman kaine was accused of similar you know, harassment. >> yes, i can't remember them coming out and complaining about that, no. >> so -- or when rush limbaugh called sandra fluke a slut. >> american women need more than crocodile tears on the part of the right to solve the complex problems face thing us right now in our real lives. the gop are the ones that are suggesting that women should carry their rapists babies,

suggesting that politicians should decide account fate of our families, particularly in extremely medically complicated situations. there are few people in the world that are americans are trusting less these days than politicians. certainly americans trust women are doctors more than they do to make these very difficult decisions than the white politicians as you point out are legislating these laws. >> right. on the national level, several gop senators, including marco rubio and ted cruz, are trying to advance a bill that would ban abortion after 20 weeks. a measure that pasted in the house last month. is there any chance of this sort of measure actually making it out of the senate? >> well, we hope not. i mean, look, we think when americans actually hear the stories, for example, of my friend dana who got a horrific diagnosis and a wanted pregnancy post 20 weeks and faced one of

the most difficult decisions of her lives, these are the real stories of women who anesthetic medical procedure after 20 weeks. and one of the things that we know is when people hear these stories, they understand the complexity and that these are not decisions politicians should be involved in. >> because when i hear these senators speak about abortion, they seem to be describing women who are not complicated. there's no compassion. it's just as if women are running around willy nilly undergoing these very severe radical procedures but there are real medical justifications in many cases. >> there are absolutely medical justifications. this is a tiny proportion of abortion services in this country. it's less than 2%. and if these senators are really interested in tending to women's health in this country, let's have a real conversation about access, early in pregnancy to

prenatal care, to comprehensive testing, to abortion services in the first three months regardless of your financial status. let's talk about real sex ed. let's stop trying to outlaw contraception. that's the full agenda of the gop. the 20-week ban is just the beginning for them. we saw this in texas when the ink had barely dried on the bill that will rick perry passed and they introduced a six-week ban on abortion. this was a really radical agenda and it does not care a witt about women's health. it will certainly doesn't care a witt about women's rights and family rights in this country. >> i'm reminded of the words of the great joan didion. any compulsion always try to justify itself. ilyce, thank you so much. >> thank you, martin. >> we'll be right back.

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weiner's circle getting smaller. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. it's time to get to the heart of this matter and why above the weird pieces an of the story why we care. in fact, why i care. you can say all you want about all politics being local but the role of mayor of new york is to work for the people of new york but to represent more than the people of new york. he or she stands at this country's front door and right there in the media capital itself. and ever since i can remember the mayor has been a major representative of this country welcoming visitors, celebrated and not from around the world. we