the state award. i speak for many when i say they have not chosen a better candidate. andrea mitchell, you are a treasure, a wonderful colleague, congratulations to andrea mitchell. we are quite sure it has only just begun. that does it for us. we'll see you tomorrow night. time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell, have a great night. >> it is 10:00 p.m., and anthony weiner is still running for mayor. and we have a winner tonight, or i should say we have a surrender tonight in the fight between rand paul and chris christie. and president obama is not giving up on trying to get congress to do the right thing. >> president obama is heading to the hill a little bit later on today. >> president obama had pep rallies with house and senate democrats. he kept his message tight and focused. >> jobs, middle class.

>> basically just another internal campaign rally. >> not everyone thinks that is a great idea. >> just a further vision of a widely planned pan. >> also, you see what ted cruz said? there are a lot of politicians who say they are opposed to obama care. >> stand for principles, stand up and be funded. don't fund obama care. >> he is comparing mitch mcconnell to barack obama. >> our top political priority should be to deny president obama a second term. >> go back to the lesbian food co-op. >> would-be thieves ramming a pickup truck. >> but first, senate officials are grilling top candidates. >> pertaining to the controversial collection of millions of telephone records. >> there are checks at multiple levels. >> don't expect there is no risk or consequences. >> the new york city mayoral candidate, anthony weiner.

>> i don't know if i'm going to win, but i'm going to stay in here and keep fighting. >> i get more agree than the taliban. >> i try to keep things on a less personal way. >> little too much sniping here. >> with governor christie, it is a little too personal, so we're ready to kiss and make up. >> president obama went to capitol hill today knowing exactly what he is up against, which was eloquently diagnosed 530 miles away from washington, d.c. in lexington, kentucky today by the 34-year-old democratic kentucky secretary of state, allison lundergin grimes, who is running to unseat republican mitch mcconnell in the senate. >> there is a disease in the dysfunction in washington, d.c. and after nearly 30 years, mitch

mcconnell was at the center of it. where once, congressmen and senators would come together to work together for the common good. we now have senator mcconnell, the proud grid lock, grinding the government to a hold. senator mcconnell has blocked legislation that could actually help kentucky and move this nation forward. and for the past few years, he has done it for the worst possible reason, a reason that my grandmother would tell you was no motivation at all. out of spite. >> senator mcconnell offered this welcome to president obama on the senate floor in advance of his visit to the hill. >> it really would be nice to see president obama work with congress for a change. to get some important things done for the american people. republicans have been eager to do this all along. but really, it is almost like there is a "gone campaigning"

sign outside of the oval office. a "gone campaigning" sign outside the oval office. and on the rarest of occasions when he does come to the hill as he will today, you find out it is basically just another internal campaign rally with democrats. >> president obama visited with both house and senate democrats. he went to the house side first, where congressional reporters asked him about symptoms of the disease of dysfunction. >> jobs, middle class, growth. >> are some republicans treating you like -- >> what has he done to shut this down? >> what would you do to negotiate with republicans? >> joining me now, krystel ball,

and ezra klein, she is a very powerful speaker. >> she is amazing. i think she is a very powerful speaker and i think mitch mcconnell is very afraid of her and also afraid of his tea party opponent that he has in the primary. so he is in a very tough spot. a tough spot that he, by the way, created. he was instrumental in fanning the flames of the tea party wave that they were happy to ride in 2010. and now, it is unlikely that this guy would be able to take mcconnell out in the primary but mcconnell is certainly worried about him. and on the other hand, you have allison grime, very strong candidate, that the democrats could have hoped for. and mcconnell is essentially responsible for drumming a much less powerful candidate out of the race early on. so he is also responsible for having a tough democratic challenger in this race.

>> ezra, the bad news for america, and the bad news for mitch mcconnell is that he first of all has a challenger, a republican challenger in kentucky from his right, who is complaining about how cooperative mitch mcconnell has been with president obama. so this -- that will be the first force that will presumably make mitch mcconnell even more intransigent on the senate floor. >> i think if people had heard back a couple of years ago in 2013 that mitch mcconnell would be doing everything in his power to remain close as possible to rand paul, they would have laughed. but that is exactly what he is doing. now the good news for america, lawrence, is that mitch mcconnell is beginning to lose control of his members. you have had vote after vote, last week you had some appropriations bills moving forward, which are important, right? these are bill that is will fund the government.

the bills that will eventually be needed to stop a government shutdown. mitch mcconnell, didn't want that vote. i think you're actually seeing a frustration among them. as he said in the little soliliqy. they're coming to see mitch mcconnell and his personal situation as one of the impediments to doing so. >> it is extraordinary, this ad, because mitch mcconnell is being challenged from the right. i want to show you his ad. >> mitch mckorconnell has had a long career in washington. but after 30 years in washington, is his leadership really the best we can do? >> mcconnell has voted for pay raises and liberal judges. >> i'm matt bevin, i approve

this message because america deserves more than failed leadership. >> krystel ball, you laugh, but he was counting on that. >> what is interesting about that message of he has been in washington too long is that is a message that is going to play in the primary. it is also going to play in the general election. and when allison lundergin grimes points out he is the cause of the disease of dysfunction, that is not hype hyperbole here. mitch mcconnell is probably more responsible than anyone for the dysfunction. because he is going for all of these filibusters in the senate to keep anything from happening. so when he goes out saying the president needs to come through and work with them. it is sort of unbelievable that mcconnell says it with a straight face. >> i want to show you the poll numbers, i think we'll put it up on the screen, we can all read

this. 45% approve, 53% disapprove. this is of -- the republican leader of the united states senate in his home state. and you know, he has -- then look at this. this is really bad for an incumbent. definitely vote to re-elect. only 40%. 60% of the electorate is available. and ezra klein, whenever an incumbent sees that number, that his re-elect is 40% that is one desperate incumbent senator. >> yeah, it doesn't make him happy, this is sort of the central irony what they have done in the past up couple of years. there is a strategy, i actually happen to love mcconnell, because he is by far the most honest person in washington. you get some that don't tell you. you ask senator mcconnell, he

says well, i'm trying to get barack obama out of office as quickly as possible. the idea was that the voters would take out their frustration about the grid lock in this town on the majority party, on president obama. that didn't really work. it seemed to work a little bit in 2010 maybe, the republicans have enough control to really grid lock things up. barack obama obviously lost the 2012 re-elect. the republicans have inflicted enormous damage on themselves. with the strategy being that they would run somebody outside of washington. that failed. now they can't get out of it. now they created a strategy they actually can't control. mitch mcconnell can't back off, he is actually trying to govern in washington. and mcconnell sees it as a devastating attack line. >> that is the irony here, mcconnell created the opportunity for this challenge from the right. the beast he created is now in

danger of eating him. >> i think what allison grimes got across today about this relentless opposition to the president, in her last line. she made it generic, saying he has done it for the worst possible reason, a reason my granny would tell you is no reason at all. a reason out of spite. and krystel, i think that delivers it to the kentucky voters that is very clear and nonpartisan. >> that is right, and there is nothing that the voters across kentucky hate more than washington, an established washington. and so that will be a very powerful message for her going forward. and she has pretty high favorable ratings in the state. she is an established player, from an established political family there. is the toughest possible challenger he could have drawn. so he is in a tough place where right now he can't say anything

for fear of his right flank, and the voters in the election. >> the leaders normally are very popular in their home states. their own election is never at risk. and that is why they can lead. they can actually do things because their own electorate frees them up to do it. i think the last one we saw with this kind of risk it tom daschle. >> and i think krystel makes a good point. you don't want to count mitch mcconnell out, he is a very savvy politician. but he has no intent to govern. it is a horrible set not just for mitch mcconnell, but for the country at large. he is having to run the republican caucus and the senate while trying to protect himself

from the right flank, and again the way he is doing that is attach himself to rand paul, who is a popular politician. >> who he hated -- >> he endorsed the other guy in the race and got humiliated when paul won. but i think what continues to be the good news here, a number of mitch mcconnell's colleagues have assessed the situation accurately saying look, we can't hitch our train in the next year, or we'll get nothing done and it will be for his purpose, not for ours. >> and bottom line, this is another republican seat that they should not be losing. >> krystel ball and ezra klein, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, what baked goods had to do with the protest over new abortion restrictions in north carolina. cookies, the governor actually offered the protesters cookies. and in the rewrite, we now have

a winner in the rand paul versus chris christie fight. and nobody should be surprised. and anthony weiner made news for the campaign today. of course, and his staff is making the kind of news that no candidate wants them to make, coming up. now it's stirred. let's get a cookie sheet. i am the ghost of cookies past. residue. so gross. well you didn't use pam, so it looks like you're "stuck" with me. that's a really good one. thank you, i'm here all week, folks.

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protesters placed the plate of cookies back at the mansion gates with a note reading governor mccrory, we'll take women's health over cookies. protesters say governor mccrory is breaking a promise he clearly made on the campaign trail last year. >> this past year, state lawmakers passed the women's right to no act, adding legislation making it more restrictive to get abortions in north carolina. if you're elected governor, what restrictions on abortion would you agree to sign. i'll start with you, mr. mccrory. >> none. >> all right. joining me now are elise hogue, i wonder why would the governor in that debate give such a clear answer, if this is what he was going to end up doing. what was he thinking back then?

>> you know, i think he was thinking what we all know, which is that women's health and women's rights are actually the main stream in america and he couldn't get elected if he said what he was actually going to do, which is now taking choices away and restricting women's rights. and this is going to what we're seeing, people don't trust politicians, they don't trust them in north carolina more than ever, and mccrory has given them more reason. people do trust doctors to help them make these critical health decisions. >> and was a resignation by a state health director who said in her announcement said i acknowledge that i have significant differences and disagreements, with many of the policy administrative directions that i see unfolding in north carolina. and in the department of health and human services, these differences are making it increasingly impossible to be effective in my current role.

now, anna marie cox, she didn't say anything specifically about this new role, but where she probably believed what the governor said in that debate. >> i just want to jump in and say what i think mccrory might have been thinking. that these laws get passed in part because people believe politicians when they say they're for a woman's health, that either they're somehow making abortions safer. so politicians, they think they are not plausibly arguing that they're restrictions. the laws actually make abortions more unsafe for women, causing them to be later in term, when they're more unsafe to do. and there is like no epidemic of unsafe abortions happening really. these laws solve a problem that doesn't exist. i hope that mccrory gets called out on this. that abortions are going down in

this country, that is a good thing, because of the availability of contraception, because of the availability of abortions in early term and the possibility for women to be able to talk to doctors on their own that we're seeing this. and this all sort of gets in the way of that trend. >> now, anna marie makes a good point, which is that this is for women's health. they're saying that they must upgrade these facilities that they're doing procedures in and making them world class procedure centers. so why isn't that a good thing for women? >> because it is as anna marie said, solving a problem that doesn't exist. this is a statistical problem that is trying to drive them out of business. otherwise, we would see laws like this regarding other procedures, like dental procedures and colonoscopies,

and that is not only not good for women's health, but these politicians know that what they're doing is not popular. and if it is exposed to public debate, they know it would endanger women. that is why they do these things to women and cheat and lie and go back on campaign promises, to support their goals, which is to shut down the clinics. >> anna marie, with a law like this that is about a couple of years old, what kind of cases, incidents will we see that we haven't been seeing in this country? >> well, ironically, again, they can actually make abortion more unsafe and drive up the cost of abortions in terms of women having to travel to get them. it can also create a kind of back alley abortion provider that was one of the reasons why

people embraced the package of roe v. wade, for women who don't have the means to go a place that is legal in north carolina. to go to a place that says they can perform an abortion that maybe doesn't have the right kind of equipment. doesn't have the standards that a clinic would have that was operating in the open. these are things that can happen. there is a great article i have to point to. on the website, an interview with an ob-gyn, that practiced in kansas with some of the most restrictive laws in the country. and she talked about patients that came in with botched abortions, undocumented welcoming in, and women that were just too scared to be required to go through the situations that happened in kansas. and that is what can happen. these laws can have the exact opposite effect of what politicians are saying. and i hope it is through discussions like these that we see the light of day because

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social security numbers. and then today, today comes glenn greenwald and the guardian, releasing information about the national security surveillance program, x key score, according to training material provided by edward snowden, x key score allows the nsa analysts to collect nearly everything a user does on the internet. that includes personal e-mails, on line chats, web searches and social media activity like facebook chats and private messages. and according to training materials, slides released today. it seems that all an analyst needs to get started is a personal e-mail address or ip address. the guardian x key score collects so much information, though, it can only be stored for three to five days. one nsa report from 2007 estimated that there were 850

billion call events collected. and stored in the nsa data bases. and close to 150 billion internet records, each day. the document says one to two billion records were added according to the guardian. today, the white house said that not all of the information in the guardian piece today is true. >> the intelligence community has explained allegations of widespread unchecked access to information are false. access to tools is limited to only personnel who are required access for their assigned tasks. and there are multiple supervisory checks for those in the system who don't have access for achieving that access. >> joining me now, security expert james bamford.

james, how much more scared should we be tonight of our key strokes on the internet than we were last night? >> well, i think everybody should be very worried. as it said in the documents that were released, nsa's tool collects "nearly everything a user does on the internet." and you know, that is really -- i think the worst part about this whole thing is the ability to collect what everybody does on the internet. it is one thing to collect what two people are talking about. but when you're actually communicating on the internet, a lot of times it is things that you don't want anybody to know. it is just you and google. and you're typing things, you're thinking basically through the tips of your fingers. and there are things you're putting in there that you don't particularly want anybody to know. and now, what these documents show is that all anybody at the nsa has to do is go to this standard form on their computer. enter an e-mail address, put

down how much of that data you want. you want all the person's e-mails for a week. all of their internet searches for a month, whatever it is. and it all pops up. and you're just reading people's e-mails. >> but aren't they saying that they only keep this data -- it is so much this they can only hold onto to it for three or five days. >> well, two things, they can't specifically target an american by name. but if you put an e-mail address in there and there is no further checks. you don't have to go through the surveillance court or anything, you can pick up a great deal. in terms of the amount of time you can keep these things that is true. but i wrote a very long cover story for wired magazine last year that looked at this enormous facility they're building out in utah. it is nsa's mammoth data storage facility, and it will be a million scaquare feet.

and the massive data will be 100,000 square feet. so you figure out how much data you can put on a little flash drive these days, you can put a great deal of information in there. so i think that is one of the reasons they're building this is so that they can store much more data for much more longer period of time. >> i want to draw a distinction now on what we think and what gets blurred in articles and on television. is the fact that someone working there can reach in and grab some of these things and does not mean that they are authorized to do it. and i think that is where jay carney at the white house was talking about today, was what

glenn greenwald was reviewing. >> right, there is talk both ways. there has been all of this discussion from both the nsa and the white house on how these programs have saved so many lives through all of these terrorist programs. at one point the nsa was saying more than 50 terrorists operations have been stopped. yet today, you had the senate judiciary committee, the chairman, senator leahy, who said it is all nonsense, he can't find almost any case where there was a terrorist attempt or terrorist operation that was thwarted because of the meta data program, example. so it is very hard to tell where the truth is in all of this. because the nsa is exaggerating the importance of it. and you know, maybe the -- greenwald is exaggerating some of that. so it is hard to tell where the

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paul in the last two debates. he said this started because i was asked a question. and when people ask me questions i just give plain, simple answers, and that is why steve talks about him being such a major league talent. >> don't mess with jersey, is the message for senator rand paul. and today, the very first thing rand paul did was admit he was beat and surrendered. he did it on a new hampshire radio show. first thing this morning. and then just to make sure that chris christie would hear him this afternoon, senator paul surrendered on the official republican news channel. >> yeah, i think it is time to dial it down. i think we have enough democrats to attack that maybe republicans can quit attacking republicans. you know, i have said my peace on this. >> as reported here last night, this is what rand paul said when he said his piece on chris christie. >> it is really -- i think kind of sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims

and say oh, i'm the only one who cares about these victims. hog wash, if he cared about protecting the victims in this country, maybe he wouldn't be about give me, give me, give me all the money you have in washington, maybe he would be a little more fiscally responsible, the way he would know we have more money in our national defense would be by being more frugal and not give me, give me, give me all the time. >> the give me, give me, give me was him fighting for assistance for victims of hurricane sandy. like many, he didn't understand that new jersey was simply asking for its own money back from washington. because as we pointed out here monday night, and as chris christie echoed the next day, new jersey sends more money for the federal government than it ever gets back, it only gets back 77 cents, while rand paul's give me, give me, give me

kentucky, one of those give me, give me, give me states gets back much more from the government than it ever sends back to the federal government. for every dollar, kentucky gets back $1.57. now as i said, i didn't expect chris christie to go there because of all of the important presidential primary states. they are all give me, give me, give me states that get more money than they ever send in. the republican states, ohio, new hampshire, were all what rand paul called give me, give me, give me states if they actually knew the math. and then what could be, what could be actually a clue, a minor clue that chris christie may not be planning on running for president he actually did use that argument against rand paul yesterday. >> interestingly, kentucky get $1.51 on every dollar they send to washington.

so if senator paul wants to look at where he should cut spending for defense, maybe he should look at cutting the pork barrel spending that he gets for kentucky, at 1.51, and not look at new jersey, where we get 61 for every dollar. >> it is 77 cents, 1.51 for kentucky. but the problem for chris christie there is how does he take that problem on the road for the early primary states, who all profit from the federal government? and as of yesterday it looks like this fight was going to go on perhaps all the way to the presidential campaign trail, because rand paul shot back to chris christie about federal spending in their states. >> we have two military bases in kentucky. and is governor chris christie recommending that we shut down our military bases? >> the relentlessly uninformed

rand paul actually believed it was kentucky's two military bases that allowed it to turn a profit in its relationship with the federal government. rand paul clearly had no idea that new jersey has eight military bases and even with four times the military bases that kentucky has, new jersey still loses money in its relationship with the federal government. because new jersey sends in so much more in tax revenue than kentucky can ever dream of. and that is because new jersey is richer than kentucky, much, much richer. much more successful, that is the republican word for it. successful. that is how republicans put it, because they equate income and success. so new jersey is much more successful. the median income in new jersey is $71,180. the median income in new jersey is $2,248. so new jersey ends up paying kentucky's bills at the federal treasury. without that huge flow of federal money into kentucky,

from the states that really pay for the federal government, the donor states like new jersey, connecticut, massachusetts, the 13 donor states, without that wonderful, generous gift from new jersey and those other states to kentucky, kentucky would be a very sad place to live. but it is not. kentucky is a wonderful place to live. and it is a beautiful place. and it is a wonderful place to live because this federal wealth sharing. this federal wealth spreading system works so well. and the richer states don't go around saying resentful things about the poorer states who can't fend for themselves without infusing money into them, unless one of those rank, federal senators complain about money going to a state like new

jersey. then a guy like chris christie is not going to be very careful about what it says about kentucky or its senator. he is going to teach them a lesson first and worry about their feelings later. >> i got nothing personal against senator paul. if we disagree on certain issues we disagree. his responses seems to be he has something personal against me. >> today, rand paul indicated he was afraid to get in that line. afraid of even another day of fighting with chris christie. >> we're going to have to patch things up. if we can sit down, i'm inviting him for a beer, any time he would like to come down and sit at the pub right around the corner from the senate. >> have you heard anything on that invite? >> excuse me? >> have you heard anything from the invite? >> it has not been formalized, i just thought of it. >> there is rand paul, desperately trying to think of a way to get cozy with chris

christie. and how does he do it? how cozy do you think he really wants to get? >> i think with governor christie, it has gotten a little too personal, so we're willing to kiss and make up. >> yeah, rand paul, good luck with trying to kiss chris christie. i happen to have chris christie's reaction to your kissing proposal. said this tonight on a new jersey radio station. i'm running for re-election in new jersey i don't really have time for that at the moment. so rand, you will be lucky if you get a hand shake. and if you do get to shake his hand on republican presidential debate stages it will be before and after he beats the living heck out of you in those debates. a quarter million tweeters musicare tweeting.eamed. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online.

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it couldn't get crazier but it did, anthony weiner's spokesperson had apologized for

a string of curse words aimed at a campaign contender who wrote the daily news page one story about inside working in the weiner campaign. it has been reported that weiner had difficulty hiring veteran operatives. his last press secretary worked for the new jersey state education commissioner. there were a lot of short resumes around the office, campaign director barbara morgan explained her feelings in a conversation with hunter walker of talking points memo. i'm dealing with like stupid -- everyone at home, you're going to have to do some reading here, but sorry you radio listener news the car. but this stuff i can't say who make it on the cover of "the daily news" even though they signed nondisclosures. and by the way, i tried to fire her but i gave her a second chance.

okay, read, nice glamour shot, man, see if you ever get a job in this town again. on the descriptions of the morgan campaign, says it is all stuff you're going to have to read on your screens at home, and bleep it at home, too. last night, morgan said in a moment of frustration i used inappropriate language in what i thought was an off the record conversation. it was wrong, and i'm very sorry which was what i said tonight when i called olivia to apologize. she responded as of course to barbara's apology, of course i accept it. her description on twitter now says a thing i'm not going to say, but it is on your screen there. meanwhile, anthony weiner was asked about staying in the race. this was part of a seven minute energetic response he gave. >> i'm not going to go into the corner and curl up, because somebody found out something

embarrassing. you see what is going on? if you become mayor of the city of new york, you have to see what is going on today. people saying you did something we don't like, back down, quick, that is not the kind of mayor i'm going to be. you know who i just had to vote for? anthony weiner. i have good ideas. i decided i have shown a level of independence standing in front of you today. >> joining me now for an exclusive interview is hunter walker, national affairs correspondent. okay, hunter, she says it was off the record when she was saying all of those f-ing words to you. >> well, first off, thank you for having me. and i am also glad you handled -- >> this is on the record, by the way. >> yeah, this is on the record. and i'm glad you handled reading through that conversation, because i know that is not hbo. >> i would love to read the real words, but this is family show. >> so what i can say is that it was definitely on record. >> uh-huh. >> we have had two senior

editors from our organization who scrutinized every aspect of this story. and there is no question it was an on the record conversation. >> you know, i would expect for less, frankly, a reaction from the campaign and i would expect those reactions to be filled with profanity. the whole, exactly, which words you use and which words demeaning to women would be different, i don't think she has to go there. but i'm not surprised or bothered by that. and she seems to have handled it reasonably well, barbara morgan, the one who kind of went wild with you. she said she did this tweet. not my best day yesterday, should have known better, been better, and there is the picture of the dollar bill and the swearing jar. but it has got to be just madness at the weiner campaign, at the staff level, it seems. >> yeah, one of the things i think was really interesting

about this story, it was kind of a window into the tense atmosphere that you have at the campaign headquarters. and weiner had lied about the timing of the sex scandal. and keep in mind, this was prior to the latest scandal, was seen as having difficulty attracting talent. was seen as having trouble hiring. >> wonder why. yeah. now, do you have any assessment of the intern story as she told it to "the daily news"? are you in a position to evaluate the credibility of that? >> not really, we do know there was at least one departure, i tried to get a better sense and most of them didn't want to talk on record. >> everything in her story made sense, you can't really corroborate it. but it would make sense that the weiner campaign would have trouble attracting top tier

talent. >> i did a story a while ago where i reached out to all of these campaigns and found out a lot of them had these top flight veteran campaigners, the senate. and the weiner campaign was already on the surface thinner than you leaking like this was bad sign. >> hunter, thank you very much for joining us tonight on the exclusive interview. >> thank you for having me. >> chris hayes is up next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes, tonight on all in, what would happen if police officers accused of targeting,