good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show." from new york, it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. ♪ we actually have a political party and a force in this country that thinks it's the right morally correct thing to do to have a vote and to take insurance away from the fellow americans. >> there is no more important regulatory reform that we can do than to repel every single word of obamacare. >> this is what tea party wants to know, will you vote with

defund obamacare, yes or no. >> mike lee says he is not taking no for an answer. >> i'll utilize every procedural mechanism at my disposal to do it. >> i want to repel the law of the land. is that clear? >> the idea you would shut down the government unless you prevent 30 million people from getting health care is a bad idea. >> the house voted to repeal obamacare for the 40th time. what does it mean? >> einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. but expecting a different result. >> we're not going to give up -- to try and remove and replace obamacare. >> they play for power and not the people. ♪ it's a party in the usa ♪ it's a party in the usa >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching "the ed

show" here on msnbc. may we start this program with a prayer. heavenly father, thank you for senator ted cruz of texas. thank you, father, for shining a light on the thief in the night who wants to take health care from the poor, the disabled, the hungry, the sick, the elderly. thank you, dear lord, just give me jesus. amen. can we tonight have a conversation, a very frank conversation, about this so-called born-again christian? now, i'm a born-again christian and he's a born-again christian. i think we have to sort this thing out. we have a political force in america that wants to take health care away from the poorest americans. they want to allow them to get sick and do nothing about it. and then just let them fall by the wayside. is that christian? is that what the lord did when he was on the face of the earth? now, there's many religions in

our country, but the christian faith is one that is supposed to take care of its brother, to believe that the only way to heaven is through the father, and to help your neighbor and to help the sick and the poor. i don't know about you, folks, i'm sick and tired of these born-again christians preaching down on the rest of us as if they are the holy grail and the road to heaven because they have all the answers? it's all for what? to hurt people. if we repeal obamacare, if this were to go through, it would hurt americans. there's nothing christian about that. i would like an evangelical christian pastor to come on this program and explain to me where i'm wrong. the majority of americans want obamacare. we voted on it twice. we put the same guy in office who brought us obamacare.

but there is this radical group of christians that is trying to make the case that it is of faith-based effort that this is the right thing to do. wrong. oh, yeah, here he is, the republican party's favorite canadian-born senator from texas, this man is hell bent for election. he wants to take your health care away. last night, senator ted cruz addressed the family leadership summit. hold it right there. what do you think of when you hear the word leadership? don't you think about moving things forward, making an environment better? doing things for the greater good? that's what leadership is. they even had a summit to talk about it. this event is the woodstock for super right wing christian conservatives. however, the crowd was interesting. they proved last night that they could care less about helping their neighbor, their neighbor in need. senator ted cruz, he received a standing ovation after he said he wants to take health care away from 30 million americans who desperately need it. >> there is no more important

regulatory reform that we can do than to repeal every single word of obamacare. >> what's more important, senator cruz, you as a born again christian, repealing and regulatory reform or the word of gourd to help your fellow man who is in need? it's absurd that a room full of christians would cheer repealing the law that helps the poor people and saves lives. if cruz gets his way, it would be back to business as usual for the health insurance companies of this country that are all about the bottom line and not about people. people with pre-existing conditions would lose their coverage. i know we all know this. young adults under 26 wouldn't be eligible to stay on their parents' plan. we know that. free preventive case services would be out the window. 30 million americans who need health insurance would be kicked to the curb like road kill.

ted cruz's statement and the crowd's reaction doesn't sound very christian to me. who are these people? furthermore, the senator from texas, lacks, i believe, the moral character and fiber to stand up as a born-again christian when he shows the desire to take away health care from americans. this guy is willing to shut down the united states government to repeal obamacare. >> we have an opportunity in the next 68 days to actually defund obamacare. the most important check and balance the constitution gives congress over an overreaching executive is the power of the purse. and the continuing resolution that funds congress expires on september 30th. i publicly stated as has mike lee as has marco rubio and a number of other senators, i will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds even a single penny of obamacare. >> oh, these conservatives,

they're all about absolutes. and it's just not cruz. 13 others, check them out, 13 other republican senators -- i'm not sure if they're senators or not, i guess they are. they have signed a pledge to shut down the government on september 1 of the to defund obamacare. there could be consequences devastating to any american. know anybody who relies on medicare? anybody who collects a social security check and cashes it? know anybody in the military, know anybody who drives on roads and bridges? if republicans pulls this stunt, all spending stops, the country would be at a standstill and the blood would be on the rains who are behind all of this. this routine doesn't sound very christian to me. i thought we were supposed to work with our brother. we were to care about our brother. we were supposed to be our brother's keeper. i don't hear republicans talking about that very much.

it's all cake. take away women's rights, take away food stamps from the poor. take away health care. they're the taking crowd. and by the way, they want to take all their tax money back. meanwhile, if it happens, it would possibly crush republican chances for the midterm in 2014 we can only hope. they could even possibly lose control of the house even though they jerry rigged the hell out of it. some republicans know this and it has made for heated moments at gop town hall meetings this summer. >> this is what the tea party wants to know. will you vote with mike lee to defund obamacare? i want yes or no. >> if every republican votes against it, it does not get funded. that's a fact. >> sir, it has to pass -- it's signed by the president of the united states. >> will you take a stand? >> shut down the government?

>> do you think it will pass in the senate? >> it doesn't matter. >> with he into -- we need to show the american people we stand fon conservatives. >> summer of '13. scenes like this have played out at town halls all across the country this summer. this time, the republican party are eating their own. it all starts in rural america where there's nothing but right wing radio going into the minds of people, going into the ears of the american people who maybe only get their news from one source. rural america, again, is the feeding ground and the breeding ground for the hate obama talk in america. and we've just got to get rid of obamacare. that's the root of all evil, but remember, they're all born-again christians, right? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, should any real person of faith want to take health care away from the poor? text "a" for yes, "b" for no to

67622. leave a comment on our blog at ed.msnbc.com. great to have both of you with us tonight. martin, you first. all these christians stood up and gave ted cruz a standing ovation for saying he wants to take health care away from 30 million americans. this is his top priority, in fact. how can people of faith, people of professed faith go down this robe. >> before i give you an answer, the presbyterian church just called and wondered if you are able to work as a minister. such is your brilliance that you're interested. there are 100 passages in the bible that refer to the poor. in the old testament there's deuteronomy 15:11. there will always be poor people in the land. therefore, i command you to be openhanded toward your brother and the needy in your land.

new testament 1 john 3:17. if anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need and has no pity on him, how can the love of god be in him? let us love not with words but with actions. here's the interesting thing, ed. when it comes to people like governor bob mcdonald. he will ram a transvaginal probe into a woman's birthing canal as soon as you can say christmas day. he said he's concerned about the sanctity of life, we're created in the image of god. guess what, when you're born, steve king says if you're an immigrant you're a drug trafficker, you're worthless. that's the reality of what we're hearing. the republican party has decided to take hostage to christian faith when it applies to the unborn but as soon as you're alive, and i had a brother who had muscular dystrophy and was killed by the disease, if i did

not have government help, he wouldn't have lived for as many years as he did. that's the great hypocrisy of this claim to be christian. >> katrina, the height of hypocrisy here being played out? >> it's a cruel hypocrisy. these tea party people will sabotage government, they're so reflexively anti-government that they will not allow governments to improve, save people's lives. i think of sister seimone campbell, one of the funs on the bus. there are people of real faith in this country. she wrapped paul ryan's knuckles when he came forward with his house gop plan. a budget is a reflection of a party's value and principles. we're witnessing in this summer of 2013, ed, something important, because it's -- i will say these are ugly people,

hypocrites, saboteurs. we're witnessing a different kind of death panel if i can say that in 2013 we're witnessing a circular firing squad inside a republican party whose leaders, some of them know, that this is a cruel con game on the american people. this idea that the greatest thing the party can do is defund obamacare? a government shutdown won't defund obamacare. it's mandatory spending that continues. we have a lot of work to do in this country to take back our country. that's why the elections of 2014 are important. a >> they do an amazing job of injecting their faith on things they politically want to achieve. >> of course. >> okay. how does this play out in the midterms? is this a big turnoff and a huge problem for the republicans down the road? >> no, i don't think it is. i think that -- do you mean with their base? >> absolute -- well -- >> no, no, that's what they want to hear. >> sure. >> here's the thing, ed, every industrialized and every developing nation in the world,

at this moment, is concerned about three things, education, health care and infrastructure. this president put forward the american jobs act. they wouldn't even discuss it. >> true. >> no interest whatsoever in infrastructure. then we get through the affordable care act, it's tested in the supreme court. it passes through and now they want to defund it. here's the point. is the continuing emphasis in attacking this president's agenda about their party or about him? and it seems to me that that's what this has come down to. when it's distilled it's principally hatred. >> it's been that way since get-go. >> right. >> senator mcconnell, that we hope will lose in kentucky, his agenda was to make this president a one-term president. i think people -- the raw base you see at the rallies may not wake up to the cruel con game

that's been placed upon them. you have a mass of people in this country who understand the importance of health care, who have lived with medicare in their lives, social security. and who may remember if there's a republican party that can take back its party. president eisenhower wrote his brother at a certain point and said, if the yahoos in the republican party are going to take away social security, take away unemployment insurance, that is the stupid wing of the republican party. and they, those inside this party, this country deserves more than two great parties, retrieve that party. because the way it's going -- >> the democrats controlled the house for 40 years after medicare. okay? they were saying the same things about medicare back in the '60s. that they're saying right now about obama care. it's like they're pulling out the old material and making the same comparisons and making the fear marketing. the question is, away from the faith for a moment, with all

that's gone on, can the democrats win the house back if this kind of behavior continues to show up? they are lying to the american people. >> i don't know, ed, because we need deep structural reform. but what you do know, there are poor people in these jgerimande districts. they should be winning. >> somebody needs to ask the question that the president asked in his press conference. of john boehner, of eric cantor and mitch mcconnell. why do you want 30 million people not to have any kind of medical coverage? >> thank you, martin. >> why do you want that? >> that's a great, profound question and one that needs to be answered. thank you so much. i'm serious. i would like to have an evangelical christian pastor volunteer his time, come to new york, sit with me. we'll do numerous segments on

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what affects people, what's on their kitchen table? welcome back to "the ed show." thankses for watching. when i started out several weeks ago talking about detroit, i said the city's bankruptcy would set the standard for shafting workers out of their pensions all across the country. and tonight, there's evidence the problem is even worse than we thought it was going to be.

saginaw county, michigan was forced to delay a municipal bond sale that would have raised $60 million for its pension fund. other nearby counties are also having credit trouble because of detroit. make no mistake, the wealthy bond holders who watch fox business and bloomberg news don't care about the workers or the pensions. they want a return on their investment. listen carefully as one fox analyst explains exactly why municipal bonds are such a good deal for the rich. >> we should point out municipal bonds are investments that are essentially held by our viewers. people with a few bucks to invest who want to escape taxes, go and buy municipal bonds. >> the best thing about them, they're tax-free. >> the fat cats are enjoying tax-free investments while the average person is struggling to pay bills. one analyst calls it a net/net positive marketing story for bond insurance. the richest investors sent high

priced attorneys to court last week demanding they get paid for the workers, the workers that left detroit were left to sit outside and protest. david k. johnson, great to have you with us tonight. who will profit from all of this, from detroit's bankruptcy? and your take on the potential ripple effect and what's unfolding. >> well, this is an opportunity for bankruptcy lawyers who get paid when they're flying in the airplane to go to meetings to charge $750 an hour. and there will be hundreds of millions of dollars paid out, hundreds of millions just in detroit. if what happens in detroit continues elsewhere, we'll see similar problems. michigan state constitution has a provision you cannot cut a public employee's pension. that seems real clear except the next provision of the constitution says every year you have to put enough money aside for the new pension benefits. a lot of the cities haven't been

doing it. that's why saginaw has a bond issue. it's to catch up and put enough money in there. part of the theft in pengs to people, has been corporations, making it up later. that's what's going on here. >> a federal judge circumvented the state's constitution. as i see it right now, the state's constitution in michigan doesn't mean anything. this is all a federal judge coming in, putting the hammer down, giving license to these people to circumvent local elections and do what they want to do with people's money. >> this is a case where progressives have an interest in states' rights. the state constitution is quite clear. it's being run over at the moment. this issue of what if you didn't fully fund the peng, that's going to take lawyers years and years and years to sort it out. the court put big banks ahead of the workers. that's what it all came down to. >> much of the country is in favor of property over people as you said in the previous

segment. what does this mean for other big cities? i mean, i have made the case on this program repeatedly that this is a model. ly and behold, mayor bloomberg steps up and says we're going to have problems on this, too. this is really giving license and also signaling that they can get by without living up to their obligations to workers. >> i think it has a broad implication for corporate america and the promise that federal -- the federal government guarantees pengs to people who work for companies. state and local government pensions generally are not guaranteed except by the taxpayers of that jurisdiction. what we're really seeing here, ed, is what deindustrialization is going to america. detroit doesn't have the revenue because we decided to import cheaper cars. we made a new deal with south korea that is supposed to improve trade. $1 for us, $25 in sales for them. these bad deals are destroying the tax base that make it possible to provide public

services. detroit, the average pension in detroit is under $20,000. cops in ann arbor cost 50% more than cops in detroit. >> well, this is an attack on organize the labor. >> absolutely. >> it's an attack to really break down the voting bloc as well. there's a number of different accomplishments that could come to fruition throughout all of this. >> yes. >> it all starts with the bankruptcy and it all starts with a takeover of an election. it's really sad what's going on. i hope america pays attention. thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. marriage equality comes to the keystone state of pennsylvania. we talk to a pennsylvania mayor who's leading the charge. and senator marco rubio heads to his home turf with a phony grassroots campaign. we'll look at what really -- what he hopes to accomplish, ahead. next, i'm taking your

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welcome back to "the ed show." sometimes? order to do the right thing you have to break the law. we've seen it in america before from the boston tea party to rosa parks. now it's happening in the state of pennsylvania. on friday, very interesting story, an official in montgomery county, a suburb of philadelphia, issued its 100th same-sex marriage license despite the fact that pennsylvania is one of the last states in the northeast that does not legally allow same-sex marriages. in fact, in 1996 pennsylvania law still defines marriage between a man and a woman. similar to the federal law struck down by the supreme court back in june. keep in mind, pennsylvania may have elected president barack obama but it also elected republican governor tom corbett and a republican controlled legislature. according to a franklin and marshall college poll, conducted in may, 54% of pennsylvania residents support marriage equality. up from just 33% in 2006.

things are changing. attitudes have changed. but the law has not, in that state, which is why a handful of public officials are hoping these acts of civil disobedience will get the ball rolling toward full marriage equality. joining me now is john fedorman, mayor of braddock and brian sims, pennsylvania's first openly gay legislator. you officiated the first same-sex marriage in your county. the marriage -- >> that's correct. >> the mayor is not going to be legally recognized. what is the goal here, what is your goal here? t >> i actually performed one last evening and i'm going to perform one tonight as well. what i'm hoping to accomplish is, first and foremost, i'm going to unite two people that have loved each other and want to publicly proclaim that.

i think that's what i'm primarily trying to accomplish. another thing is to demonstrate to people in our state that same-sex couples are no different than anybody else. they want to have the same rights and privileges that the rest of us do and that includes marriage equality. >> you feel like you have to do this as a civic elected leader to drag the state forward as we see social change happening across america? >> well, i think if you look at the spectrum, you have barack obama and on the other side, dick cheney support same-sex marriage. and everyone in between. i think if you're against it at this point, it's mostly a fringe opinion. i haven't gotten, really, any negative feedback whatsoever. yesterday was my community's big community day. half the town was out. if i was going to get any pushback would have been then. i only got positive feedback. i think the law has to catch up with where the state's at. i think mr. corbett needs to tear down this law. >> sure.

well, you know, there are rabid people against this. you were blocked from talking about this on the house floor. what does this movement mean to you? and take us down the road that you went through. >> this is critically important for me both as a gay man and also as a representative. there are upwards of a million lbgt pennsylvanians, just that their marriages aren't recognized at law, we have zero lgtb rights in this state. it's about protecting people in their homes and offices. and where they go to work every day. in june when the supreme court issued its rulings on both prop 8 and on doma, i used the opportunity to address the house floor in harrisburg, in the state capitol. one of the arch conservative

members of the statehouse used a procedural rule at the time to prevent me from speaking and then later credited his belief that my sort of acknowledgement of the supreme court's decision would be a violation of god's law. >> so he injected god into the process. so much for separation of church and state. what was your response to that? and what is your -- what's your recourse moving forward? >> you know, it's not the first time. listen, we all know that the better part of the last 30 years we've seen this movement from arch conservatives around the country, trying to rewrite the history books, write god more perhaps into our founding documents than we all know that our founding fathers intended. what we do next is what's critically important. as you said at the top of the hour, right now republicans at the national level are really divided. we're seeing that both in pennsylvania as well. we're moving in the courts with both the aclu and the challenges

to the marriages we've seen in montgomery county and soon in mayor fedorman's area. we're moving in the legislature. the day after i was prohibited from speaking on the house floor, i joned with representative mccarter and we introduced a marriage equality bill in pennsylvania. there's a lot of movement but we have a long way to go in the commonwealth. i'm hopeful we'll see a new governor in office. i'm hoping that there's a number of challengers, i'm supporting allyson schwartz who i know is supportive of relationship recognition and lgbt marriage equality. >> mr. fetterman, do you think pennsylvania will change in the next five years? >> oh, i do. i think pennsylvania will change much sooner than that. i've been just uniformly encouraged by the feedback i've gotten. i've got well over 100 e-mails in support and 2 against, actually.

and not one single negative public comment while i'm out, including at community day. bringing us back to the earlier point, the state rep that shouted down my colleague from out there is just, he's to the right of dick chain nen and he has no actual voice in the overall spectrum here in the state. >> all right. >> that's what it pretty much came down to. >> a south carolina teacher has been making the rounds on conservative talk radio circuit to denounce the national education association's gay inclusive curriculum. he likened it to teaching people how to use crack. listen to this. >> if we're going to go there, we're going to have everybody forcing things on us at school that we don't believe in, from witchcraft to even the

molestation of children. >> do you want to respond to that kind of rhetoric? it's absolutely outrageous, no question about it, but this is where some people are. >> it should surprise nobody. one of the things we see throughout curriculums across the country is the sort of systematic removal of historical figures that don't sort of meet standard, sort of traditional white standards. i bet this is a person who doesn't know who byron rustard is or believe that african-americans or women or the lgbt community have contributed to the rich history of this country. i think it's a scary road but you know, sometimes it takes this type of sort of outlandish behavior to highlight the work that the rest of us are doing to make change. >> but these people are in front of impressionable age children. mr. fetterman, what message does this send to the youth of the country that we're going through a social change and there's such

a division. >> i'm like send in the clowns. the more people like that talk, the stronger the case for marriage equality is going to get. you know, people like that speak for a very, very select group of people. and the hateful comments like that when they come out, when people see, they have mothers that cry at the wedding, they have families come in, there's no difference between them. so let them say that kind of craziness. >> what struck me in that soundbite was the criminal act of child molestation. how can we as a society, representative sims, counter that message to gay kids growing up when they hear that kind of stuff. >> you know what, mayor fetterman just talked about that. really what we do and we know we do it best is when we tell our stories, when we talk about our

families, our relationships. we talk about our co-workers, teammates, families, we know that the message gets out there. the most important thing we can do as an lgbt community is continue to talk about our lives, our experiences, because we know that when all is said and done, there are some things that are common to all americans and one of those is standing up for your beliefs, your core values, being the person that some would say god intended you to be and some would say your folks and family intended you to be. >> the situation that you were faced with in the legislative process, were your colleagues outraged? did you get support? i mean, where was the legislative body on this? >> that is the best part about this. we talk about pennsylvania being a microcosm for the rest of the country. you look at this incident that happened in our statehouse, its a perfect example. what i saw from the get-go was support from both sides of the aisle. this wasn't a republican versus

democrat thing. this was the statehouse versus a tea party guy. this was the statehouse saying you know what, we still believe in respect, we still believe in decor decorum. this hard line, right wing, anti-government, anti- anybody that doesn't look, sound like you approach. >> the first couple i married last week received a letter congratulating them from their state rep. i would like to echo his sentiment. >> what's the recourse of this civil disobedience? what could happen to you, mayor? >> i don't know. i don't think anything. i am of the opinion i honestly governor corbett wants anything to do with this debate. i don't even believe he's anti-same sex marriage. it's just an outdated idea. i suspect he wishes it would go away. >> john fetterman and pennsylvania state

representative brian sims, thank you so much for joining us on "the ed show." tonight i asked you should any real person of faith want to take health care away from the poor? 5% of you say yes. 95% of you say no. up next, a bad case of romnesia lands middle-class mitt in pretenders. stay tuned. ♪ don't you forget about me business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next.

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with dan vols, romney feels and seems to have forgotten what words came out of his mouth. >> but this was perceive as, oh, he's saying 47% of the people he doesn't care about or he's insensitive to or they don't take responsibility for their life. i'm saying 47% of the people don't take taxes and therefore they don't warm to our tax message. >> here are the governor's actual words. >> oh, yes, romney was very specific about the americans he wanted to reach and the ones he wanted to leave behind.

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progressives, let's get back to work. america needs to pay attention and stay vocal. here's a look at the top three stories this week in "fast forward." >> number three, jersey smackdown. >> democracy is not a spectator sport. >> cory booker is hauling in a whopping 54% ahead of new jersey's senate primary. ♪ you know i want to >> i'm more humbled by this moment and those words than you know. >> fast forward to number two. rnc summer camp. >> doodie, doodie! >> it's time for the rnc to get to work. ♪ because it's summertime

o on wednesday, they hit boston, home of the original tea party. ♪ the biggest cup of tea in history ♪ >> yes, stars of the convention include newt gingrich and chris christie. >> i haven't had a chance to respond xwret. >> you did. >> because you were interrupting. >> i guess mitt's invite got lost in the mail. >> not the next step in my career. i don't have a political career. >> we've got to be the party for the hundred percent. the list, the grass roots. >> i hope the people of florida punish marco rubio. >> starting this week, the water boy will be spewing obama care hate back in his home state. >> pass a budget that pays for everything except for obama care. >> rubio's so-called grassroots effort to defy obama care doesn't cut it for everyone in the gop. >> you cannot design a piece of legislation that will defund obama care. >> you cannot say that you are against obamacare if you are willing to vote for a law that funds it. >> you're so stupid or did you take lessons? >> i took lessons.

>> joining us is annette from the miami/dade democratic party. marco rubio jumping out there. why is he doing this? does he really believe that there's an avenue to defund obama care and get rid of this law? or is he doing this for political prowess, so to speak, with those who just won't let it go? your thoughts? >> obviously doing it for political ambition. those of us who are here in florida, especially miami, we know this from him. he did this to us when he wanted to be speaker of the house and representatives in the state of florida. he threw the children under the bus when he took away our funding for that in order for him to get the votes necessary for him to be speaker of the house. so this is no surprise. and i think the republicans and everyone else needs to wake up and smell the -- [ speaking spanish ] because this man will do whatever it takes to get ahead and he has his eyes set on the

white house. >> there's been no real pushback from seniors and we know there's a lot of seniors in florida. how will this play with floridians down there? rubio, seems to me he's on the wrong side of the majority on this even for that state. or am i wrong on that? >> you are not wrong. you're absolutely right. as a matter of fact, if we shut down the government in this -- at this time, wener t are in th middle of hurricane season. already we're being hurt from the furloughs for the hurricane season and for many other government services that are helping us, but instead he wants to do this for just political purpose. in addition to that, i think also he's listening to the tea party, he's a little bit concerned to try to get back with them since they were so upset with him for supporting immigration reform. and those of us who were happy to see that he was actually doing something for the good of the country are now again waking up and smelling our cafe con

con leche. >> he wants to make sure they don't bite back in the future. >> he sees that as the tea party way to get back in. he got elected in florida because of the tea party. he had zero chances and the tea party pulled him up. and he knows that in order for him to run for an election, as tough as it is in the republican party right, they're so extreme, and he needs to get back in their good graces. that's what he's trying to do on the black of our -- you know, our floridians. >> is he a tea partier or is he just faking it? >> he's faking it. those of us who are in here know him from back in the day when he was young and elected and he was actually considered a liberal. absolutely faking it. that's why i keep saying we need to wake up and the republicans need to wake up. he will do whatever it takes to move up the ladder and to get where he wants to get.

>> what is his position on immigration? because this, too, is a tea party hot button. has he found a new place on immigration with the people of florida? >> they're in a -- they're between a rock and a hard place, especially those in the republican party, the hispanic ones, not cruz, but the hispanic ones that does support immigration. because they wanted to pass -- they've been working for it including marco rubio, who has been a pivotal part, but unfortunately he's not talking about it at any any more, if you notice. this is what he wants to talk about, defunding the government and making sure to kill obamacare when this is not definitely what we want to hear but what the tea party wants to hear. >> you think he'll seek the nomination for 2016? >> absolutely, i think that. >> all right. annette taddio, appreciate your time here on "the ed show"

tonight. we'll see you back here next week. i'm looking for that evangelical pastor who will come to me on this program and tell me this is what god want, defund obamacare, hurt americans. see you next week. i'm beth...

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