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the judge has called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms to this program. according to a whopping 195-page decision, the judge stated the police officers have been stopping innocent people on the street for years, usually young minority men and searching their pockets for weapons and drugs and other type of contraband before letting them go and comments like this one from the mayor added to it. >> i think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little. >> it's exactly the reversal of what they say. >> joining me live are ari mel and he is reporting on the inequities in the criminal system. great to have you here. you have the report. you have been speed reading through half of it. the biggest take away here is the fact that the judge has ruled that police officers in new york city have been
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operating unconstitutionally for years now? >> that's right. you're looking at a policy that started around 2004 and escalated and put 600 percent more increases who stopped and frisked. unconstitutional because it violates the 14th amendment we should be treated equally and violates the fourth amendment longstanding rules how we can be stopped and searched. there are obviously national rules on that. what we are hearing is this policy is the aggressive police tactics in the country violates those longstanding rules on how you can be searched. >> we have no reaction from mayor bloomberg as of yet but some of the candidates for his job, they are speaking out. we have got bill de blasio stop and frisk hasn't made new york city a safer community.
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anthony weiner is saying this is what was found when the police stop thousands of citizens done nothing wrong the number being men of color basically civil rights are being violated. let's get some of the numbers out there for everybody. 88% of the stops resulted in police letting the person go without an arrest or a ticket. it meant there was not credible suspicion there. so the mayor, though, stands firm in the fact that he feels that this law is necessary? that it's been valuable? why do you think he is being mum so far? i mean, he had to anticipate and be ready to react when this ruling was eventually going to come down. >> sure. a long expected ruling ever since it was brought. it has the attention of the mayor and his lawyers are probably reviewing it. i'm glad you mentioned the mayor's race. this issue has a big deal here in new york city and in cities around the country that are looking at police tactics. the comment you showed there from anthony weiner is
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hypocritical. he has has not been a critic of this. now we see it's unconstitutional politicians generally don't want to support anything unconstitutional. others have been more critical of the policy. >> how do you think that as you bring up other cities other places considering this that this will fly in the face for that consideration, especially when this works against our fourth amendment rights? >> look. i think this totally rewrites the conversation. the biggest part of this and you and i have discussed this on your show before is that nobody likes racial profiling. president bush was against it. president obama recently spoke out against it. the trayvon martin had the agreement using race would be bad and debating the facts over it. this policy has been sold repeatedly not as racial profiling. it's sold repeatedly as aggressive police tactics that relate to crime staesks. we have today a ruling that says to minorities here in new york and i would argue probably around the country although take
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time to see how it plays out. this ruling says you can no long be presumed suspicious because of the color of your skin and the statistics that are in this ruling and that you just mentioned bear that out because they were stopping people primarily based on race and race-related attributes and vast mantle found nothing wrong and not doing anything. another point on this important day. the whole tactic comes out of the supreme court case that had said, well, sometimes can you have a lower standard of search because someone might have a gun on them. what nypd said we will use that loophole to act like maybe everyone has a gun on them. one other piece of data that bears that out. after the stop is made under the data in this case they found whites were more likely to have contraband or a weapon on them than african-americans and yet african-americans were
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overstopped. >> how muscular of a flex is for the commissioner kelly to say we have been doing this a long time now, almost ten years, but you got to stop? or a gray area like you say the lawyers for bloomberg are scanning through this 195-page document looking for a way to wrangle around it. >> the judge did not say stop and frisk 100%. the judge says you have to bring these kind of stops back within those constitutional rules. how do we do that and how do we make sure it happens? you mentioned in the lead is there a monitor appointed by the court. number two, they will have a trial program of more recording of officers so they will be body cameras in one precinct purr borough throughout new york. why? we want better information says the court about how this is working and we don't have officers and defendants fighting over it in court. that is controversial to some people but now required. commissioner kelly can't do anything about it other than
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follow the court's order. three, they have ways they are going to use more internal monitoring within the police to try to make sure this is a less racially motivating program. >> we will be getting reaction later in the hour from reverend al sharpton. he is going to be here. you can catch ari on "the cycle" on msnbc at 3:00 p.m. weekdays. today's big question for you. a judge ruling stop and frisk is unconstitutional. what is your reaction to it? go to my facebook page and weigh in there and we will share your thoughts later in the show. coming up two hours from now, eric holder will announce major changes in federal policies concerning drug offenses something he is calling the "smart on crime" initiative. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams joining me from washington. break down what we expect the
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attorney general to announce. >> what you said, thomas. for those low level offenders not connected to some larger organization and not connected to a drug cartel or a gang, they are not part of an organized crime operation, they are on their own, they are carrying a small amount of drugs, what he is going to say to federal prosecutors is write the charges in a way that doesn't trigger the mandatory minimum sentences so that means they won't specify, for example, whether certain amount of drugs was there that would trigger the mandatory either five or ten-year prison sentence. part of the problem here, he says, that sthat this is a misdirection of sources. it's a harsh punishment for people who are not the big part of the problem. secondly he said it's contribute to go a massive overcrowding in u.s. prison systems. in the federal system, for example, prison growth has been about 800 percent in the last couple of years when you compare that to the growth in population of only about a third and 40% of
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u.s. prisons are overcrowded and about half of the inmates are there because they were sentence to do a drug offense. it's part of where he wants to direct federal resources more toward serious crimes and violent offenders and as part of that initiative, he'll also say he wants more local law enforcement to be -- to pick up more of the slack here so the feds can focus more on most serious crimes which is going to reverse a trend of the last couple of years to federalize more crimes. but the attorney general says too many americans go to too many prisons for far too long and for no good law enforcement reason. >> it's called "smart on crime." we will hear from the attorney general in a couple of hours. pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. joining me by telephone is connecticut democrat irsenator richard blumenthal. good to have you here. as connecticut's former attorney general you have a deep legal
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history. first, your reaction to the federal ruling from a judge today that new york city stop and frisk tactics are a violation of constitutional right -- the constitutional rights of tens of thousands of new yorkers and this has been going on for nearly a decade. >> this decision is going to be reviewed exhaustively. i want to look at what the reasoning is. certainly there is a reason to be vigilant and vigorous when it comes to these kind of constitutional rights but whether these practices are crossed the lines, i think the courts have not finally determined. >> we understand that mayor bloomberg is going to be holding a press conference at 1:00 p.m. on the judge's ruling that the stop and frisk law is unconstitutional here in new york. he has not made a comment so far. on this people running for his job have come out in support of this. i want to switch gears and get your reaction toward our reporting from pete williams is telling us about attorney
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general eric holder, the remarks that are planned for today on major changes for the sentencing structure for low level nonviolent drug criminals. why do you think he is doing this now? >> he is moving in this direction now after xrg it for some time and seeing that congress is not likely to act to modify the mandatory sentences unfederal law and clearly prison is overcrowding. the population of prisons have risen by 800% since 1980, whereas, the population has only risen by a third. the federal prisons are significantly overcrowded. arkansas and other states made adjustments to reduce the overcrowding and changing the sentences in practice.
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giving t and also enhance the rehabilitation goals. my reservation about this new policy is that he is seeming to say they are going to shift more of meese prosecutions to state and legal levels. this trend and i was the u.s. attorney in connecticut before i became the state attorney general, is one that is longstanding. is there a typical effort to move these prosecutions to state and federal local levels and i think that the resource challenges are going to be equally present there as they have at the federal level. >> sir, on to another topic that has a lot of attention in washington, especially from the president. on friday he announced a revamp to the nsa surveillance programs but denied it was a result of edward snowden and he spoke in a tv interview yesterday. i want to play what he had to say. >> at this point, what i would like is for this to be vetted in
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open court for the american people to have all of the facts. what i've seen is much political theater. i was disappointed in the president's press conference. >> senator, do you think that edward snowden is winning the battle out there, the public perception of secrecy versus security, that the result of what he has done to expose all of this is worth it? >> the issue is not whether edward snowden is winning or losing and i would disagree that he is winning personally. i think he should be brought back for trial as both the president and his father seem to agree. the real question is how do we modify our intelligence structure so as to strike a better balance between preserving our scooter aecurity
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protecting our liberties? i welcome the president's embrace for what i made for a special advocate to protect privacy and liberty. the special advocate is an idea i had a blueprint in legislation. i've offered it with some 15 cosponsors in the united states senate. and i think that kind of change in the foreign intelligence surveillance court is very important one, as well as adding to its diversity and geo graphical balance and has different views across the country. >> but, sir, in reference to maybe not edward snowden winning, isn't it the fact he revealed this to the american people that are making us have this broader and higher level of conversation about what the authority the nsa has and does? >> no question it has accelerated and deepened the
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conversation but he should be tried for the alleged violations of law and, at the same time, the process of reform should go forward, including greater transparency so we do not have a black box in this foreign intelligence surveillance court making law that is secret, through a secret process by judges who are appointed by a single person would you in the accountable or transparency in the opinions. this kind of star chamber caused our rebellion. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> sign the girl's face on television. i told my wife, i said that is the girl we seen on the mountain. >> it's being called a one chance in a trillion sighting. i got to speak to the four people who helped rescue a teenager in the wilderness.
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and tes cr and ted cruz in iowa this weekend. >> you go back to the original greek. politics had two parts. poly, meaning many. and ticks meaning blood sucking parasites. and that fairly accurately describes the state of affairs in washington today. >> obama should have been beaten. hillary is going to be tougher to beat. >> now we have vice president joe biden confirming he is the key note speaker in an annual steak fry in iowa that is coming up next month. this sounds very familiar. what are the chances of the people that we have already seen showing up in iowa being true contenders come 2016? >> we have a mix of rodeo clowns who are in. it because they just want to
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stay relevant. donald trump. rick santorum has a narrow base appeal and people are rising stars and proving themselves such as ted cruz. everybody is talking about how ted cruz did so it's possible that he is on track to be the favorite for 2016. >> one thing about donald trump taking aim at hillary but before we get to hillary, talk about donald for a moment. we heard what irin thinks. he is showing up to remain relevant? it has no real bearing on presidential hopefulness. >> if i was rich and bored i probably would do the same thing. why not? he can. what he loves is publicity. he is like the dark hole, you know, of that all strange political publicity gets sucked into. he is just there for fun. >> so we saw ted cruz aiming his swipes at getting obama care repealed. that has been time-tested. not just through what we saw
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during the election of 2012 but it's also something that we have seen tested through the supreme court. is that something voters want to hear about or is there something else at work behind that discussion from him? >> i don't think it has a very broad base appeal, but you have to understand the dynamics of the modern republican party. what is troubling is that a lot of these republican candidates, they don't have an incentive to offer serious policy solutions. ted cruz being in the senate almost a year now without any serious accomplishments but if they can get ahead by pandering to svery small and special interests like heritage action and freedom works. >> one thing i want to get to as we get on to hillary because maureen dowd had this to say about president obama's role for clinton in 2016. it's gaining fire without much coming from the clinton camp at all. she says referring to their recent lunch together at the white house that instead of
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cooping hillary it looked like he was handing her a silver platter. obama ushered in the return of clinton inc. and gave it its blegs. he doesn't realize that her first term is not a continuation of obama but as bill clinton's third term. meanwhile, missouri senator claire mccaskill weighed in with her support during an emily's list in iowa. take a listen. >> we have to have millions of people engaged and ready for what will be a pivotal race in america's history, in america's history. and that is about getting everyone excited now about what i hope will be that moment in 2017 when we get to say, madam president, to hillary rodham
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clinton. >> do you buy that? >> thomas you know me pretty well. you know i'm not a huge fan of maureen dowd on politics. i think the excitement that hillary clinton has generated on her own if anything being associated with bill clinton and the politics of the '90s hurt her when it came to the democratic primary last time around. i think as you saw with the event in iowa with claire mccaskill a general excitement about a woman president and specifically hillary clinton who is very committed to those issues. >> she has not made a decision one way or another but leaves us guessing. i want to switch to this topic. harry reid getting backlash for the comments he made and a lot of republican pushback on this from an interesting character who is asking for an apology. but take a listen to what had he to say first. >> we have been now seven months into this second term of the president and they haven't changed much. so it has been obvious that they are doing everything they can to
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make him fail. and i hope, i hope that -- i say this seriously -- i hope that it's based on substance, not the fact that he is an african-american. >> the interesting political character i was referencing was south carolina senator tim scott who happens to be the only african-american serving in the chamber says he is seriously disappointed and i hope senator reid will realize the offensive nature of his remarks and they are hurting hard working american families. what do you think is going on here? is there a reason for harry reid to apologize? >> i don't think harry reid owes anyone an apology. however, i don't think that it was the best strategic move because what we have seen from race in america is that there is tons of rampant racism against the president both from political quarters and pundit quarters and rodeos which we may
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discuss. the effective way to critique racism who says what, when, rather than make blanket indictments and they cause rebuttals which you saw from the other senator. i don't think it was a great strategic move but i would love a greater discussion how the gop has bungled race completely and maybe to the detriment of 2016. >> it wasn't the rnc's autopsy the fact they need a broader tent to reach out and see how they do as the year of 2013 ticks on. thanks to all of you. you can find more from our panel on our website tv.msnbc.com. we are back after this. if you've got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours.
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good to have you here. among the highlights of the judge's ruling on all of this, she found that stop and frisk violates the constitutional rights of minorities adding that officers are conducting stops in a racially discriminatory manner. however she did not order an end to stop and frisk. rather calling for a federal monitor to oversee the program itself. saying that basically be -- not putting an end to the policy, but wants more oversight of the policy but no a question whether it's unconstitutional. what do you think this is going to do and what do you expect the mayor to say at 1:00? >> the mayor should cease and desist the program. if a judge has said what many of us have said and nash action network, my group, oo along with the new york city civil liberties union and others had huge marches around this. now you have a judge saying what we are saying. the right thing to do would be for the mayor to cease and
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desist. he will probably resist and there probably be an appeal and we will end up fighting it. i think clearly anyone that has looked at this would say what the judge has said this violates the constitutional rights of citizens and the violates the civil rights of minorities and racially discriminatory. i think a huge vindication for many who said this all along and accused of everything from race baiting to just exacerbatinging situations. >> the judge says it happens in new york with those to have higher crime rates. >> the judge and what we have been saying is even in nonminority neighborhoods they are stopped. if that is the case where do you have on the upper east side you have very few minorities living
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the people that are stopped -- >> last year, you had a gentleman on your program that was stopped ten times? >> ten times and he is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit the judge just ruled on. it is absolutely unthinkable that you have so many innocent people that are being stopped and frisked. thrown against the wall and frisked just because they are black. do with we want to see crime stopped? absolutely. do we want to see people doing wrong stopped, absolutely? because they are doing it to us. but don't criminalize our innocent sons and for that matter daughters in the name of trying to get other people and the program doesn't work as the judge says. >> you point out 88% of the stops resulted in police letting the person go without an arrest or any type of ticket meaning that there was not a credible suspicion. as we are awaiting to hear from the mayor coming up at 1:00, we have some of the candidates who are running for his job. they have already spoken out
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bill de blasio saying the overuse of this hasn't made new york city safer and driving the police and community further apart. weiner saying this is sad what is obvious when the police stop tens of thousands of citizens who have done nothing wrong. the overall whelming number being men of color basically civil rights are being violated. however, as we move forward as you say the mayor most likely not coming out to be in support of this. it creates a gray area for commissioner kelly. >> well, it creates a gray area to kelly. it creates a standoff that only further divides the city. and it puts a lot of pressure, though, on the mayoral candidates. now as i've said that we are calling for the mayor to cease and desist, the question now that i will pose to the candidates is, if elected, if it is still on out appeal, will you stop the program? this could be a very clear
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deciding factor for whether they will call for the mayor to stop it now and not appeal. >> have you been leaning toward anybody lately? >> i'm leaning toward protecting people's civil and constitutional rights. i want to see which candidate will lean with me. >> all right. i'm keeping you on the ropes and make you sweat it out. see where they go from here especially after the 1:00 press conference from the mayor bloomberg. catch the reverend on "politics nation" week nights at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. also reminder to you. weigh in our big question for you. a judge's ruling that stop and frisk is unconstitutional. what is your reaction? go to facebook and twitter and we will share your thoughts coming up. back after this. ♪ turn around
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captor. >> now we can take our time to grieve my daughter and my grandson. >> but you have your granddaughter. >> we have our granddaughter. >> the horseback riders who spotted hannah and dimaggio what they saw and what raised red flags. >> they didn't fit very well. when we encountered them the second time then we knew for certain that they didn't fit. >> luke russert is covering the story for us in san diego which is hannah's hometown. we understand that hannah's father may speak out today and are we learning more about the motivations of the alleged kidnapper? >> reporter: yeah, thomas, it's really come forward in the last few days from conversations with hannah's friends or affiliated with hannah and other reports that mr. dimaggio had an infatuation with hannah.
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this wasn't necessarily known by her mother or her family. he had been a friend of the anderson family a while and always called sort of uncle by them. but it's come forward that he had a particular fascination with hannah and skewed to a romantic interest level which some friends of her said creeped her out. nevertheless, though, her friend and family now are very happy she has returned to san diego but, thomas, there has been a lot of celebration the last 48 hours. people are now starting to understanding and come to grips this is a very difficult journey ahead for hannah anderson. she lost her mom and her brother. no one knows what happened between her and dimaggio while they were gone for the week when she was kidnapped so there is a lot of interest to see what her mental state will be moving forward and that is where everyone's thoughts and concerns are, especially on the family side are with her. >> luke russert reporting from san diego. thanks. we turn back to the four horseback riders who are largely
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credited for leading authorities to hannah anderson and dimaggio. a retired sheriff and army ranger, i asked him how he made the connection between the pair and the amber alert. >> when we encountered them, at first, it was rather -- they just didn't fit very well. and then when we encountered them the second time, then we knew for certain that they didn't fit. they didn't fit that country. he might have been a back countryman in california but he sure didn't fit in idaho. he was carrying a cat. there were just a lot of things that was out of place and so when we see the amber alert, i seen the girl's face on television, i told my wife, i said that is the girl we seen on the mountain. and we called idaho state police and got the ball rolling. >> you also recognized that they seemed out of place certainly
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for this area in idaho and how they were prepared to be there. as i understand it, you tried to engage hannah in conversation how was she to your questioning? did she try to send signals or was he just a little unresponsive? >> well, she didn't try to send signals, but, you know, she could have been a teenage girl that was drug along by her dad on a trip that she really didn't want to be on if she had a boyfriend. so it was just kind of that situation so we had no way of knowing how desperate the situation was and i was going to talk to her at the lake and my husband talked me out of it because i'm so glad he did because then he would have probably felt threatened and things would have escalated to something very serious. so i think the best thing we did is to wait until we got home, saw the amber alert and, please,
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if that is a valuable tool because had we not seen that, they would still be out there. >> mike, you tried to engage dimaggio when you encountered them. what were some of the red flags or questions thaw were trying to facilitate for your conversation. >> i asked him where they were headed and he told me the salmon river which was the wrong direction from where they were going and put out a red flag. i concentrated on his face and eyes and didn't like what i seen there. >> mary, how relieved are you for hannah's sake knowing what she has to go home to, that her mother and brother are deceived now from that fire that dimaggio allegedly started? but relieved for her that she is safe and she's found and that the four of you are actually the heroes that did it? >> i don't know if you'd call us heroes. all we did was use the resources that were available to us and be
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observant, because our heart goes out to hannah and her family. i know that she's got some tough days ahead of her, but i think shelly come through. >> we are going to call you heroes because it is because of the four of you that the police were able to find and bring hannah back home. so mark and christa, thank you all. >> you're welcome. >> a popular tv host and internet personality comes out an transgender and files a multimillion dollar suit against b. b.e.t. after a back stage controversy. b. scott said he was humiliated after told to change outfits on the red carpet at the he says he was born male but his choice lies in between. we will talk about this coming up. the question to you -- is the nation ready to tackle the big questions about gender equality? [ male announcer ] research suggests cell health
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so a popular tv and internet personality who came out as transgender is making headlines for suing b.e.t. network for discrimination. b. scott was hired to be a style stage correspondent during the preshow ahead of the awards on june 30th. during the show, producers pulled him from the carpet asking him to wear more masculine clothes. after he changed, they replaced him with another host and brought him back in a diminished
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capacity. b. scott joins me with his attorney. i appreciate both of you being here. b. scott, this is your first time coming out about the lawsuit. you have come out and identified yourself as transgender. on your website, you wrote that you showed the producer your outfit prior to the show and they approved it. take us through what happened that day. you showed up on the awards show in that outfit, then yanked off the carpet. >> yes. it's not only that i showed up. i showed up five hours before the show started, 3:00 p.m. my clothes went to be steamed. producers coming in and out of my dressing room the entire time. every step of the process from hair to make up to even when i'm finally ready, the producers came to see me before i was walked down to the carpet.
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before i got to the carpet, i started to do a pre-taped segment which aired along with my live tape segments doing the preshow. i was interviewing a.j. colway and out of nowhere, a producer came and literally yanked me off stage, took me in the back and said your outfit is unacceptable. i have been on television 30 times prior to this. i always presented myself from the church to being fabulous and make up and clothing as well as my high heels. not to mention, i appeared on b.e.t. twice before and there was never an issue. i have never felt so humiliated. i was shocked and like why is this happening to me. i had fans in the audience. it happened in front of a live audience. the fans were like keep your head up, b., it's going to be okay. i'm getting emotional thinking
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about it. it's sad people have to go through something like this in 2013 when we have seen all kind of personalities. i'm not the first of my kind. there's been michael jackson, prince, grace jones and the list goes on. it was shocking to me. >> b.e.t. networks embraces global diversity and maintains a work force and culture that values cultures and backgrounds. it was a series of miscommunications. you have gone ahead and filed the lawsuit. joaquin do you think you have grounds? >> yes, i think we have grounds to seek damages. the fair housing act procolludes this type of unfair treatment in the workplace. i think the evidence will show they discriminated against b.
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based on his appearance. >> you have come out as transgender, what's the reaction been? you talked about being a gay man with feminine tendencies. you have realized something else. how are you doing with the fact you have come out as transgender? >> i think there seems to be confusion as to what it means to be transgender. the definition is someone identified as man, woman, both and neither. that is different from their born assigned sex. i am somewhere in between. i am both. how i express myself on the outside, as you can see here today is an expression of how i feel on the inside. i have been overwhelmed by the support of the community. there was a time in my life where i really felt that i was all alone and the magnitude of how people had been supporting me through this. i said i wasn't going to cry, has been touching.
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i feel very supported and very confident that i'm doing the right thing to show people that it's okay to be who you are no matter how you choose to express yourself. >> it is. b. scott, you keep being you. it's because of them, not because of you. you are great the way you are. thanks to both of you were being here. b. scott, i wish you all the best. thank you for making your first appearance about the lawsuit and coming out as transgender here. that's going to do it for mu. "now with alex wagner" comes next. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next.
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