these people, these kids care about their grandparents. how do you top that? >> you can't top that. i'm just glad my grandmother is long gone because i wouldn't be doing that for her. >> we're all glad about that, too. >> anthony weiner could take a page out of clinton, if the next month is palatable, just be charming, smile. >> it's impossible. >> lets wrap up the show. none of you are very good right now. >> who is going to be in for chuck today? >> chuck works less than i do. he's not there? all right. alexander. thanks for watching. >> frisky business. new york leaders lash out at a court ruling against much debated stop and frisk policies. the fate of the police practice could have national implications. meantime on the west coast,

hillary clinton's very hub schedule in private life looks like the start of an unofficial campaign. here what she had to say about the fight over voting rights. more clashes in cairo. protesters backing egypt's ousted president face tear gas and more as unrest continues to leave that country's future very uncertain. we're going to take you live to the scene in this hour. >> good morning from 14,060 feet above sea level at the summit of mount berstadt. today is tuesday, august 13, 2013, this is "the daily rundown" and now here is chuck todd. >> good morning to you. i'm peter alexander, in for chuck todd. thanks to those folks for going that high to send us a greeting. 14,000 feet, i think that is a personal high for the broadcast.

we begin with big changes in the way police identify potential suspects and how certainly criminals are treated once they are arrested. monday a u.s. district judge struck down the stop and frisk tactics employed by new york city police, a decision that could have implications far beyond the city. the judge called it indirect racial profiling she said violated the constitutional rights of minorities who were stopped by police more often than whites. the judge called for reforms in policy, for training and supervision, but also stopped short of ordering an end to that practice. nonetheless, really a shot across the bow of nypd and cities across the country that employ similar tactics. new york city mayor bloomberg lashed out at the judge calling the decision dangerous and insisting no changes were eminent. the city's top cop, ray kelly, said the ruling was simply unfair. >> what i find most disturbing

and offensive about this decision is the notion that the nypd engages in racial profiling. that simply is recklessly untrue. >> i work for my kids and your kids. i worry for you and i worry for me. crime can come back any time the criminals think that they are going to get away with things. just cannot let that happen. >> in a separate law enforcement development plans unveiled monday by attorney general eric holder getting a positive reception including praise from one of the obama administration's most vocal critics. in san francisco eric holder introduced new policies that would alter the way federal prosecutors and federal judges handle drug cases steering them away from mandatory minimum sentences. the goal, keep nonviolent and low level offenders out of prison, there by easing massive overcrowding and reducing the

cost to taxpayers. >> as a society we pay much too high a price. our system fails to deliver outcomes that deter crime, keep us safe and ensure those who pay their debts have a chance to become productive citizens. >> the smart on crime addition is getting widespread praise on capitol hill. it fits nicely with bipartisan legislation already in the works. during his speech eric holder singled out a handful of lawmakers, among them kentucky senator rand paul who is co-sponsoring a bill that would give judges more flexibility in sentencing. afterwards senator paul returned the favor saying, quote, i'm encouraged the president and attorney general agree with me that mandatory minimum sentences for nonviolent offenders promote injustice and do not serve public safety. joining me now is nbc's justice correspondent pete williams and bill braden, the only person to serve as chief of

nypd and lapd. also an nbc analyst. pete, we're going to begin with you if we can. we want to get a sense from you the practical results of this decision, stop and frisk decision. does it mean nypd has to stop what they are doing right away or simply adjust the policy that now exists. >> door number two, it has to adjust it. the judge says there are two constitutional problems. remember, the fourth amendment says the right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, effects in unreasonable searches. the judge says the problem here is supreme court case law says that in order to stop, confront and search them, an officer must have reasonable suspicion. to frisk that person, the officer must have reason to believe they are armed and dangerous. both those qualities are lacking. the second problem, it treats minorities differently. nypd says, it searches more minorities if that's the case,

that's where the higher crime rates are in those neighborhoods. a racial composition of a person is much more likely to get searched. if the program has problems these people are stopped without reasonable suspicion, it could be in trouble. >> bill, i want to get a sense from you first of all. do you think stop and frisk tactics are effective in fighting crime. but perhaps better put, looking forward the question becomes what tactics are acceptable in poor areas predominantly minority where crime is concentrated? >> first off, question and frisk is the fundamental tactic used by every police in every community every day. it's what they do, and it's what you want them to do. the challenge in new york is to how it was done. basically it needs to be done constitutionally. you can't break the law to enforce it. it needs to be done respectfully and it needs to be done

consistently, consistently in white neighborhoods as well as minority neighborhoods. those are the three requirements. what new york is going to have to do is take a close look in how it goes about the practice of stop and frisk. the judge wants more supervision, more training, more technology to be employed by the city of new york. >> i want to switch the topic from eric holder very quickly, what we heard about him speaking about, pete, moving away from mandatory minimum sentencing. this primarily addresses drug offenders. how significant of a shift is this? >> what the attorney general says when it comes to low level drug offenders, who have no connection to a gang, who did not commit an act of violence, didn't have a background, didn't use a firearm, weren't selling to children, they want them to write up charges in such a manner they don't trigger the mandatory minimum laws. support is eroding for mandatory minimums. they were hugely popular in the

'80s. congress has looked several times at repealing them but backed away from it. there is support. i think that's the attorney general's ultimate goal, to get mandatory minimums certainly in drug cases off the books. he's a long way electric that. this is a first step. i think he's trying to start a debate here. >> bill, quickly, do you see a decision as away from the war on drugs. >> certainly. we had an expression we used in los angeles, you can't arrest your way out of this problem. the good news is the resolution of this is ultimately legislative, as indicated by the direction congress is beginning to move, the direction california recently went striking down its three strikes and you're outlaw. there are going to be significant changes in our policies in this area going forward and i think that's a good thing. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you quickly, you'll have perspective as dorchester, boston native, started career there, ultimately became police commissioner.

i wanted to get your reaction to the verdict in the whitey bulger trial. >> justice was long overdue in this matter. justice has finally been served. i worked as a sergeant in the south washington area in the 1970s just as bulger was beginning his rise and was chief of police in the '80s and early '90s when all of the controversies that were outlined in that trial arose. it was an incredibly difficult time. happy to see it finally come to a successful conclusion. unfortunately they didn't find him guilty of all the murders he participated in, but justice was finally served to a great degree. >> perhaps the symbolic end of the old southie as it were. thanks to both of you, we appreciate it. moving onto the battle for the senate in the state of new jersey after a primary campaign dash voters are going to the polls in the special election to fill long time senator frank lautenberg.

cory booker up against a wild field of democrats which conclusion congressman malowen and holt and state assembly speaker oliver. a former mayor expected to easily win the republican primary. the suspense is a lot less about outcome of the elections, one poll has booker with a 40-point lead. he's a fundraising juggernaut with already $8 million. more worried about what kind of senator he will be. some say he's more worried about ambitions and celebrity friendships than serving constituents. oprah winfrey held a fundraiser, eva longoria toured the state with him yesterday. >> i said, cory, do you want to be president of the united states? and he said, eva, i want to change the world, and i will do that from whatever position i hold. >> in an exclusive interview

with nbc's casey hunt, booker says he plans to be a workhorse, no the a show horse in the senate. >> i'm not one of these fire brands that throws molotov cocktails at people and the like. if anything my record is finding unique ways to bring people together and disrupting broken systems, disrupting status quo. >> booker has also been dogged about questions about his finances. yesterday he defended his stake in a video company called way wire. he amend his filing last month to reflect a $1 million to $5 million interest in that company. >> i believed in the idea, it was great. helped to get a business off the ground, which is experience some politicians don't have. we went above and beyond what all the participants in the race submitted for disclosure. >> as people head to the polls

behind you, give us a sense, how big a problem is this financial disclosure issue for booker? more broadly, what were the general takeaways, what did you leave the conversation with him yesterday as you saw the way he interacted with voters across the state. >> sure. well, the financial disclosures came late in the game. realistically, the voters i talked to yesterday only had a vague awareness of them. it's unlikely to affect the race here. in the bigger picture, the disclosures are likely to stick with booker throughout the rest of his career. if he has national ambitions and goes on to higher profile campaigns, they could pop up again. one of the things we talked about yesterday in my interview, he said the statutory duties of mayor would have constrained me, as he described his tenure as the mayor of newark. that's really the attitude we saw from him on the campaign at these stops across the state and it's the attitude he says he'll

bring to the u.s. senate, which could lead to some disruptions for leadership there. booker compared or mentioned, rather, rand paul and ted cruz as examples of other freshman or junior senators who made a real mark in the senate. >> i want to get as we deal with a long distance phone call, satellite call to new jersey. we want to play a sound bite quickly from your conversation about cory booker talking about his unique relationship with chris christie. >> i could write a dissertation on my disagreements with chris christie. my residents didn't want me to sit back and launch molotov cocktails with chris christie my seven years in office. >> do you think governor christie would make a good president? >> i think governor christie is worried about re-election right now and not the presidency. i'm not even speculating on that right now. i need to work with governor christie as governor, because i'm still the mayor of newark and we're working on development

projects. >> so booker received a lot of criticism on this campaign for his closeness with chris christie. his rivals have gone after him with that. booker has been touting his friendship with president obama. as you saw there, he declined to say booker would be a bad president. he didn't want to go after him. he said, hey, i'm mayor of newark, i have to work with this guy. >> kasie, we appreciate it very much. thank you. much more on new jersey senate race. it's on our website including a look at what kind of senator cory booker will be. we'll have all the results after the polls close. check it out at rundown@msnbc.com. the controversial voter id law just signed into law in north carolina. we'll hear hillary clinton's reaction to that. new clashes in cairo egypt this

morning as the standoff between egypt's military and tens of thousands of supporters of the ousted president mohamed morsi intensifies. nbc's richard engel will join us live from there. but first a look ahead at today's politics planner. a busy day despite the recess in washington. "the daily rundown" is right here on msnbc. ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around barry ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪ thto fight chronic. osteoarthritis pain. ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to take the next step. today, you will know you did something for your pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a pain reliever

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>> we've seen a sweeping effort across our country to obstruct new obstacles to voting often under cover of addressing a phantom epidemic of election fraud. not every obstacle is related to race. but anyone who says racial discrimination is no longer a problem in american elections must not be paying attention. >> on monday north carolina gchb pat mccrory signed one of the strikest voter id bills. clinton singled out that new law specifically. >> legislators in north carolina have pushed through a bill that reads like the greatest hits of voter suppression, restricted early voting, no more same day registration, extending voting hours to accommodate long lines, stricter photo id requirements that disqualified those issued by colleges. >> clinton and to accept an award from the american bar association for her work as a woman in a legal profession. her speech is the first in a

series of remarks that she'll be delivering this year laying out groundwork for potential 2016 bid. clinton may just be flirting with such a run. republicans are treating this like a done deal. rnc released this video pegged to the benghazi attack on monday. nbc news senior editor mark murray with us for this morning's first read. mark, lets get right to hillary clinton. no mention of 2016 but runs as a subtext through anything she said, certainly remarks yesterday. is this the type of speech we should expect to hear from her going forward the way it's building a campaign without overtly campaigning? >> she said she's going to continue to give these types of speeches. peter, there is no issue that fires up democratic voters right now more than the issue of voting rights, especially what happened in north carolina and other republican governed states. what you're seeing is hillary clinton is being sure she's on the right side of the democratic primary electorate. she said she's going to be

giving a speech next month on transparency when it comes to national security, another hot button issue. she's making sure she doesn't end up letting that left flank go, on the right side of where democratic voters are, if she runs for president or she doesn't. >> mark, the clintons, hillary clinton specifically has been dogged by a series of story lines that continue to come back to the family, terry mcauliffe's campaign, anthony weiner debacle continues to be a gift for clinton, opponents that doesn't stop giving. here is a clip of the conversation anthony weiner had on this topic with buzz feed. take a listen. >> is huma still working out on the campaign? >> she's working out every day. >> do you know what her role in hillary clinton's 2016 campaign will be? >> i do. >> what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. >> do you feel when you've done has damaged her in that world?

>> i've hurt her professionally, personally. she's gotten roughed up and it's completely unfair. >> anthony weiner says it hurt huma abedin, how much does it hurt hillary clinton. >> all of a sudden we're talking about the lewinsky affair that occurred in the late 1990s with the impeachment, things about the clinton biography that they wish folks wouldn't talk about instead of being able to talk about the positives that came from bill clinton's presidency, hillary clinton's service as secretary of state. the whole weiner episode was very problematic. anthony weiner gave an interesting tell where he pretty much assumed what we're assuming hillary clinton will run for president in 2016. it's probably he wouldn't be the ambassador to that kind of message that the clintons wouldn't want that kind of news. >> mark murray with the first reads. thank you very much. hillary clinton, we should note,

plan two more big speeches this year. she said she'll discuss transparency and national security in philadelphia and global leadership issues later this fall. that leads us to tuesday's google, karen finy. nice to see you. "washington post" and republican pollster kristin anderson. i think i got that right. >> you did wildfire kick it off in the middle. we heard from hillary clinton yesterday. is this the first glimpse into what a hillary clinton 2016 campaign might look like. >> we've been getting a glimpse for a decade or more. sure, you see her tackling policy. she said she was going to relax and go on vacation and that hasn't happened. interestingly we see her, if she's going to run, that being the big caveat, remembering she has to run a primary first. that was the big failing in 2008 that she went straight to the general election. here she's tending to the base. as mark said, that could suit

her well whether she's running or not. if she's running, that's what she has to do. >> have to ask you about an article in "politico," next act with chelsea clinton coming aboard. what happens now still remains to be seen. the question is how often will the clintons be together? how big a role will the clinton trio on this. for the first time they are teaming up. >> i think from the time she left the state dependent was to bring them together and make it a foundation, broaden issues they are working on. the initiative in new york, i'm sure you'll see the three of them together. actually chelsea has been traveling with her father quite a bit, to africa. she'll continue to do that. maybe do some stuff with her mother as well. we'll see. >> republicans, number one item they will key in on, benghazi is one they are sticking to,

benghazi plays to the base rather than a wider audience. what do republicans key in on when they focus on hillary clinton. >> is '90s nostalgia, the good, the positives people look back positive at the '90s and economic growth, but do they also remember the drama. is the story, the connection with terry mcauliffe, what's going on with green tech in virginia and hillary's brother. whenever the clinton comes up, there's always an extra layer of drama and are voters done wit. does it give republicans fodder for the next four years to jump on. >> north carolina, hillary clinton speaking about the law passed there with restrictions, one critic described as harkening back to the days of jim crow. how significant is this issue as it divides the electorate across the country? >> it's tremendous. i think you'll see it play out state after state. the defense in north carolina for the governor, that brings it in line with other states, that requires some form of id. democrats seized on this, not to

mention the supreme court ruling as evidence that there is just a war against people who want to vote. young people, minorities, it's going to make it impossible for those two parts of the electorate. >> the number of fraud cases in the last election fewer than 200. doesn't appear to have been that significant of a problem. >> it's not really a problem. i think part of the challenge democrats have, for too long it's been framed about the id when it really should be this is a constitutional right. we should be making it he'sior for people to vote, not harder. that's a place they can push back more. the other piece in tandem is all the restricting. the combination of voter id and restricting is really quite devastating for minority voters. >> kristin for minority voters doesn't it risk alienating some populations they have insisted after mitt romney they ought to be embracing. >> public opinion polls show voter id laws are popular with

large swaths of the electorate. the question is, is that number one issue for large swaths of electorate. for voters who care, they really care. it's a risk for republicans. the bigger thing with the north carolina law a risk, not just the id, 16 and 17 years old can't preregister anymore. there are things that go beyond an id at the poll that begin to make people go why are you making it less convenient. >> it's not about the id but making it all the things that make it harder to get the id, which a lot of people say is a poll tax. >> the conversation won't end any time soon. israelis threw a curveball one day ahead of the peace talks with palestinians. we're expecting israel to release 26 palestinian prisoners. that could happen any minute now. will the goodwill gesture be overshadowed by new settlements on disputed planned? nbc's richard engel will join us

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in egypt clashes have broken out in cairo after supporters of ousted president mohamed morsi were reportedly attacked by pro government demonstrator. police responded with tear gas. this comes after morsi supporters called for a million man march to demand his return to power. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is following all of this for us this morning from cairo. what is the latest there today, richard? >> these are not very significant clashes. they involve a few dozen people, supporters of the muslim brotherhood. the clashes are pretty much over at this point. i would describe them as scuffles. there were several small demonstrations. these are people who want morsi to be put back in power. they march into downtown cairo. they came into close proximity

of some government buildings, government forces fired tear gas. there was some rocks and bottles thrown and that was about it. it is, however, symbolic of a larger struggle that is going on in this country six weeks after mohamed morsi was thrown out of office. that larger question still hasn't been settled. but while cairo is on edge, this country is on edge, this was not the clashes that are going to tip it over. >> we fear those are the ones they at least anticipated have not yet materialized. keep us posted as the day goes forward. i want to move onto another topic making news in this region today. hopefully you can tell us about the latest in the middle east, the relationship between the palestinians and israelis. the palestinians have not backed out of talks. settlement news and prisoner release seems to have dampened hopes for progress on both sides. where do things stand there? >> that is also a very complicated situation. to involve egypt in it right

now, i think the most significant development that has happened right now over the last 24 hours or so, there was a rocket attack fired from egypt toward the israeli city on the red sea. israeli officials say that the israeli iron dome missile defense system shot down this rocket. it exploded harmlessly causing some people to be nervous. it happened around 1:00 in the morning local time. a radical egyptian group has claimed credit for that and says there will be more attacks against israel. so we're seeing a border between israel and egypt that had long been quiet, long a source of stability in this region heating up. that is a source of real concern in the region. this as the israelis and palestinians are trying to get this carry initiative under way, trying to have a prisoner release, but at the same time israelis announcing new

settlement units which obviously put palestinians on their backflip. no one in the region is very optimistic about these talks. what you're seeing right now is some evidence why people aren't optimistic. you have a relatively small prison release that some israelis oppose. palestinians are welcoming new settlements. these are same initiatives, same problems. not a lot of people i've been speaking to think these talks, while they might start, that they are going to lead to the peace in the holy land so many have been striving for. >> the greatest source of optimism is perhaps the american isn't of state not nearly reflect thad way in that region, though. richard engel in cairo. richard, thank you. members of congress sweating out the summer break in their home districts. coming up next, what happens when members of congress face their constituents, the august town halls, and what they mean for september. but first on this cool august

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spending the next few weeks at home but activists from both parties want to make sure they don't get too comfortable back in their home districts. americans united for change, accountable. events plus suggested questions for those that attend. topics include gun control, climate change, the heritage foundation trying to pressure congress from the other side of the aisle. the lobbying arm heritage action is launching its own series of town halls next week focusing on immigration and health care. no matter the party, the groups

are trying to brat gridlock on capitol hill. some lawmakers say it's working. >> we went a couple of years there where everything seemed to get stalled. nothing was going anywhere. we're starting to see some activity. that is encouraging. >> i think part of that, there is an awakening to the reality you've got to come up with constructive solutions. you can't simply dig in heels on one side other the other. >> president of americans united for change, ceo for heritage action for america, we've got you in the left and right seats in case there's confusion. just right off the bat, i want to get a sense of what you're hearing from representatives and senators. what's the message coming back that's the primary focus in september. >> what we're focused on americans united, you might be surprised we're focused on holding republicans accountable, progressive issues advocacy group. we're asking republicans why are you opposed to these things that

the president are proposed that are vastly popular. we're finding they are running into some problems from both sides, immigration town halls, for example, hearing from proponents and opponents. republicans are really more in the firing line this august than democrats are. >> give me a sense of what's driving the conversation in these districts. >> we're trying to look at all of congress and all americans of there's frustrations about americans nervous about obama care. senator baucus saying this is a train wreck, premiums going up, employers dropping people from health care roles. there's a lot of anxiety, ranging from anxiety to outright fear as to what's going to happen with obama care. people are saying, hey, lets defund this. we have a vote coming up in september. i think that's what they expect. >> have they lost luster, town halls. not too long ago this was a central focus of the way the debate was being guided. nowadays we're hearing far fewer are showing up. >> i think this summer is

different than 2009. >> why? >> when that summer was all about one issue. this, as you said, this summer is about immigration, climate change. it is about obama care. >> the center for obama care. obama care starts october 1st when signups start, premium subsidies start january 1. the last chance congress has to finally take up the responsibility it has not to listen to the american people and say, hey, we need a time out. we passed it to find out what's in it. we're finding out and it's not looking good. >> i want to compliment mike. >> thank you. >> the president obama obama care trying to implement it trying to deliver affordable health care to millions of americans. the best thing we have going on is heritage action. they are out promoting defunding. every time they do that it becomes more popular. >> the date looming, is that what we fight about when september begins? >> there's going to be a big discussion about obama care.

we're in 10 states right now. we're going to every state heritage action is going to to confront them about why do you want to take affordable health care away from millions and millions of americans. every time they talk about defund obama care becomes more popular. >> this is a great thing we're doing. we finally need to have a conversation between left and right. >> we will. >> we didn't have that when obama care passed. they won the lebs and went forward with it. we can have this conversation. >> let me start -- i know in arkansas you certainly will see one. let me ask you specifically if i can about the issue of the shutdown. when they come back in september, obviously folks on the hill are saying as one senior republican leader told me before leaving town, this republican leader said we'll wait and see if shutdown is the right way to go or not. what's the conversation about whether that's the best way to stop obama care and pursue your policies. >> the message is overwhelmingly

americans want a time out. i don't think we have to -- >> pretty soon. >> the only way to have a debate. >> what president obama is going -- it's not president obama that's going to shut down the government is a handful of senate republicans that will gum up the works. by the way, they are shouting at each about this. are you crazy? a number of other senate republicans, john mccain and others, the idea of shutting down the government over defunding obama care, it's called -- i can't remember the senator that said it's terrorist like. >> this is how washington works. rather than having the conversation, the debate, figure out where the country is on obama care. we start throwing barbs. lets talk about the affordable care act, obama care, lets see where we end up. the president pushed it through, only 60 fights, scott brown, he

used reconciliation. i'm glad we have an opportunity to debate it. >> what will be the achievement they focus on and for you guys the one to obscure is obama care. what does the president get done? should immigration drive the next few months? >> a couple things. one, immigration is huge. we've seen a number of republicans. there are now 22 republicans in the house that have said they are either for some type of path to citizenship or legalization. we know a strong vote in the senate. immigration is the thing that's most important. >> immigration ever get through the house? >> the last 15 years we've seen republican party bumble one party to the next. now time to stake a line in the sand. american people with us. obama care should be pulled out from its roots. >> left and right, in reverse order. thank you. we appreciate it. trivia time, we ask how many states have never elected a woman as governor, representative or senator? your answer, just two. iowa and mississippi. hat tip to our friend jonathan

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we're back now with more of the daily rundown. you heard it from mike and brad the fight over health care will be driving a lot of the conversation as soon as congress gets back to work. we learned today the obama administration is delaying another portion of the president's signature health care reform act a piece of the law that limits out of pocket costs meaning how much of their own money individuals could be forced to spend on health care another grace period before that part of the obama care would go into effect. joining us is our gaggle.

karen and ann and kristen is with us. ann, ask you first. the delay comes after the administration had delayed the employer mandate of course. how significant of a setback is this for the obama folks saying everything is proceeding pretty much the way it should right now. >> it's a setback in that we wouldn't see how it is working. you would actually make the case in 2014 or shortly thereafter we could render judgment and now it's 2015. i think is there a real argument to be made that the administration in selecting which parts wants to implement and which parties it doesn't isn't obeying the spirit of the law. >> karen? >> as the president has said which is true any major piece of legislation, they knew when they passed it there were going to be pieces that needed to be --

>> it caused problems when he said things are working the way they should be and acknowledging it's a big thing and could be clunky at times. >> the majority of the pieces are moving forward and i think we will be able to judge it when you kaw about preexisting conditions and lowering costs. i don't think overall they will greatly impact how people perceive the program but they are great fodder that these kind of conversations. >> i think tinker is the right verb. it's not just one. it's not just this thing being delayed. there is piece after piece after piece after piece this headline i feel keeps coming back up. they are delaying this mandate and this portion. that is the challenge. this grace period in "the new york times" article that talks about this, they say it was -- this grace period was announced in february but obscured and legal and bureaucratic language and came to light because it was part of the 137 frequently asked

questions. >> doesn't that mean they are -- >> we don't know this is necessarily -- >> a need to make changes? a good thing. it should be. >> wouldn't it be great if we had not passed the law in the first place and have to go back and make all of these changes. >> or making it better. >> talking about september when we return? >> we can hear it. i think one big surprise it hasn't dominated the august recess in the way we thought it would. >> shameless plugs. >> happy birthday to my birthday kathleen who turned 30 over the weekend. >> get on the band wagon. collision 2012 is amazing. >> halfway through it right now. thank you. >> shameless watch my show. "disrupt" on saturdays and sundays at 4:00 p.m. on this very network. >> that's what it's for. thank you all three for being with you today. that does it for us. coming up is chris jansing and co. thanks for joining us.

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in the last 24 hours three major developments that impacted voting across the country. hillary clinton impassion speech on voting rights and eric holder's shift on prosecuting low level drug offenders and a drug is ruling that michael bloomberg's strop and frisk policy violates civil rights. taken together this could represent a sea change. start with hillary clinton. in her first major domestic policy speech and first political since leaving the state department, clinton criticized the supreme court decision over the voting rights of 1965. >> anyone who says that racial discrimination is no longer a problem in american elections must not be paying attention. we do. let's admit it. a long history of shutting people out. african-americans, women, gays

and lesbian and people with disabilities and throughout our history we have found too many ways to divide and exclude people from their ownership of the law and protection under the law. >> clinton cited a stunning statistic from the brennan center for justice. in 2013 alone, more than 80 bills have been introduced in 31 states to restrict voting rights. eight states have passed voter i.d. laws or laws to reduce early voting including the latest. north carolina where the governor signed that bill into law just yesterday. let me bring in ma lika hence and lynn sweet. good morning. >> more than 80 bills restricting voting rights in 31 states. the justice department is already going after texas to try to test the supreme court decision. does the speech do you think give any momentum to that cause to expand voting rightsce