i don't use my rescue inhaler a lot... depends on what you mean by a lot. coping with asthma isn't controlling it. test your level of control at asthma.com, then talk to your doctor. there may be more you could do for your asthma. thanks for disrupting your sunday afternoon. i'm karen finney. when a political party can't agree on anything, maybe it might be best to say nothing at all. >> a healthy family debate is not a bad idea at all. >> the idea that republicans have not been trying to help is wrong. >> i would rather shut the government down than continue to shut america down. >> it's not a bad thing at all. >> shut up, will you? >> this is political blackmail. that's what they are doing. >> you look them in the eye and you say, what is your positive replacement for obama care. they will have zero answer. >> that's not true. i've had an answer. >> they don't have a product to

sell. >> it's not a bad thing at all. >> they are not rehabilitating. they a they are retrenching. >> i don't know why senator paul's so out of whack about this. >> the party's big enough for both of us. >> a healthy family debate is not a bad thing at all. >> i worked on my hair a long time and you hit it. we've got a lot to get to today as egypt's interim cabinet met to discuss a way forward following bloody days of conflict. first, president obama heads to new york and pennsylvania to promote education as an engine of economic growth. he's not the only one hitting the road in the days ahead. chris crossing the country to build support for a plan to defund oak care by shutting down the government. it may still be obvious, but the

fall drama is already under way. that shutdown scheme is striking fear in the heart of republican leader who is have come to grips with the fact that it won't score any political points and that time is running out to take health care away from millions of americans. as cracks in the party's grow, so do the concerns about the ability to offer an agenda about the appeal to voters. a majority of republicans are still against -- are against repealing obama care. and ard coulding to conservative pollster, shutting down the government is one way that americans can turn obama care from a political advantage to a political disadvantage in 2014. don't worry, says rnc rieince priebus, this is good for the party. >> a healthy debate is not a bad thing at all. and i really believe that. i don't think a time when we first came off a presidential election that having a party that is dull and boring is

something that is good for not just our party but for this country. >> oh, reince, i've used that talking that point myself. joining me now is christina. thank you for being with me today. >> nice to join you. >> robert, you had a piece and you went behind the scenes looking at this shutdown debate among republicans in congress and on the one hand the leadership is acknowledging that it's a losing strategy but at the same time they are having to thread the political needle. here's something you wrote. the delicate political situation has forced boehner and cantor to work against the shutdown caucus but without antagonizing it. it's a wink-wink order. what is this idea of maybe not shutting it down but use the debt ceiling debate to slow it down. what's the strategy here? >> it's a really difficult situation for house republican

leaders. i was in iowa with ted cruz of texas and he had the activists out there enthralled by the idea of a government shutdown. but boehner doesn't want that. he was part of the gingrich war in the '90s. they are trying to talk them away from doing a shutdown and maybe use the debt limit as a way to get concessions in the past as another battlefield. >> so we're going to go from defund to delay? >> still brinks manship but they think it's a better battle. this is a bigger story of house republican leaders that can't control their owner members. the boehners of the world, they are not he had looking the discussion. >> you know, it also seems like it's broader than just in the house because you've got republicans like ted cruz who is a potential, we know, a political contender in 2016. he's going to take part in the heritage tour and do a town hall

in dallas on tuesday. you even had mitch mcconnell wobbling a little bit saying -- he wasn't saying anything and now admits that defunding won't work. on top of it, you have ceo saying that the house gop is gutless on obama care. it seems like it's not just in the house. they are getting pressure from the outside groups as well as tension within the party in the house and the senate. >> it's a great point, karen, that you're making right there. it's really how republicans see divided government. some republicans think you have to make smaller deals, work with the white house to fund the government and look for smaller-type victories, liken titlement reform. the ted cruz's don't care whether the shutdown works to defund obama care. they are trying to make a statement on principle and outflank the fellow republicans. >> you know, christina, speaking of another 2016-er that we like to talk about, rand paul is

punting it back to the house basically saying that it's going to be up to them to put the pressure on to use the shutdown as a negotiating tool. let's listen to what he head earlier today. >> republicans control the house of representatives. they should stand up, use that power to at the very least make this lawless bad, delay it, do something we can to protect the american public from this law or if we do nothing we're just saying to the president, hey, you get your way. i think the senate would approve obama care funding. it would go to conference committee and then i think a compromise would be achieved. >> so you have the house saying it's the senate's fault and the senate saying they can't repeal obama care and it's up to the house and let's not forget, what we're talking about, it's kind of a small piece of obama care, if i'm not mistaken. because the majority of it would not be affected by a shutdown because it's already mandatory spending. >> well, there's a lot going on in what rand paul just said.

he's using this washington speech to describe a conference committee, which is the basic premise of government when two chambers have two competing bills. you come together and pass a compromised piece of legislation. that's not happening in washington these days on anything, let alone a major matter of something where they have fundamental disagreement with senate democrats obviously favoring the president's health care law and house republicans voting against it now 39, 40 times to repeal it. so that's not going to happen. so what happens in the meantime is you bring it up to this sort of again at the brink of a shutdown and the president has been very careful to pick at republicans saying, hey, if that happens, you're the one who is are going to take the blame. he has some numbers to back them up. he's been talking about some of these different numbers and some of the polls and house republicans are taking the majority to blame for dysfunction in washington and we've had these crisis government moments over the last several years where they are trying to come up with some

agreement for funding the government and they just can't get there. >> well, and the democrats, it seems like, are wisely kind of stepping back and et willing the chaos -- letting them duke it out, basically. >> that is happening but at the same time it's -- everybody is taking the unpopularity hit. right now congress is very, very unpopular and people look at washington as completely unable to get anything done and the president had obviously big goals with immigration reform. that has hit it a huge road block. these big fiscal issues, you have two different competing philosophies on how to fund the government. on thursday and friday, investing in infrastructure, raising taxes on the rich, all of that is something that republicans just disagree with. there's no real path for them to come to something and they have deadlines and they come up with the short-term patches. >> and it all coincides nicely with everyone coming back and the drama starting.

i want to talk about chris christie. he made waves at the rnc meeting. he said, "for our ideas to matter, we have to win. because if we don't win, we don't govern. and if we don't govern all we do is shout into the wind. so i'm going to do anything i need to do to win." there's a piece in "the new york times" at how he's building a campaign infrastructure but it seems like he's trying to stake out this middle ground like i'm the electable republican but there's the age-old question, can he make it through the primaries and isn't that the strategy that mitt romney tried? >> it's really a revolution to watch right now. i think when he spoke to the national committee, we saw a rehabilitation of chris christie. he really wowed them with a powerful pug nash shous speech in washington. christie is trying to occupy the center right space within the republican party. he sees ted cruz and rand paul

going more to the far right of the party and trying to assert them in that way and he doesn't see a romney-type figure or a jeb bush-type figure. >> christina, what do you think his prospects are for getting elected? >> well, it's still so early but he's actually out there governing now and working with a democratic legislature and trying to get things done. he's probably going to be re-elected by a wide margin and mitt romney was so removed by his tenure and it was not as recent. people are going to respond to that. they are able to really understand when i go out and talk to voters, especially in some of the early primary states like iowa, they are away of chris christie and especially what he did. he talks about that all the time. it's a long way away and democrats always talk about who is the most electable in the republican party field but democrats aren't the ones that get to decide it.

>> and it's interesting to your point that one of the things that chris christie has had time to do is send signals to the right and to the left. we saw with gun control measures and then a little bit of okay on marijuana. i mean, he's sort of trying to -- a little bit for everybody. it will be interesting to watch his political evolution, as you say. thank you to you both. >> thank you. coming up, as protests continue today in egypt and nearly 1,000 deaths this week, is cutting off aid to egypt really the best way to protect america's interests in the region? that's ahead. [ male announcer ] they say it was during

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we're going to have a failed stated in egypt. >> i don't know how we can continue aid. >> i believe we have to change our aid. >> i think the actions of the last week no doubt are going to

cause us to suspend aid. >> egypt is an important country and i think we have to be very, very careful before we willy-nilly just cut off aid. >> when we threaten something as we did that we could cut off aid, the administration did, and not do it, you lose your credibility. >> it's counterproductive and shows nothing about american weakness to continue it. >> i think that the approach has to be to condition our future aid. >> we certainly shouldn't cut off all aid. there's no good options in egypt. >> there's some of the reaction in washington this morning to the deadly violence in egypt. there is another confrontation under way. muslim brotherhood supporters are going to hold a protest in front of the supreme court. there are troops and razor wire outside that building. early this morning, egyptian police and military went on raids rounding up some 300 mid--level officials and field operatives in several cities. among all of this, general sisi

said, there's rup for everyone in egypt and we are cautious about every drop of egyptian blood. he also added that the government will not established by and watch the destruction of the country and the people. we've got some breaking news just in. 38 muslim brotherhood prisoners were killed today during what the egyptian military calls an attempted escape. apparently more than 600 detainees were being held in a convoy when they tried to take a hostage. joining us now is special assistant to president obama, msnbc mid-east diplomacy analyst dennis ross, steve clemens and ann girin. thanks to you all. and you heard very different ideas about whether or not we should pull the aid or not pull

the aid. clearly it's a more complicated question. there are some -- our own richard engel was reporting today that that some may see that as a symbolic walk away, if we were to pull that aid from the camp david accords, other suggest it may be some sort of support for the muslim brotherhood if we pulled that aid. give me your perspective on what kind of level this aid really is. >> well, i think there's some leverage. i wouldn't, exaggerate it. the saudis will clearly fill in. so it's not as if the aid we can't be replaced. but it is -- it does have some leverage because it creates legitimacy for the rest of the world. we cut it off and others will follow. the egyptians don't want that, clearly the saudis and emirates don't want that. we shouldn't exaggerate it.

obviously to this point, every effort we've made to get the egyptian military to pull back has not worked. i think we have to be mindful that the leverage is limited and also it if you take the step and cut it off, where are you then? >> right. >> we had a relationship with the pakistani government back in the 1980s when we had to cut off the aid and because of that we lost a relationship with the pakistani military for a generation and we're still paying the price for that. so it's not a simple decision. there are real dilemmas here and i think we need to think it through carefully and i think that's what the administration has been doing. >> ann, to that point, we're getting reports that the u.s. official has confirmed that the obama administration is considering canceling delivery of apache helicopters in egypt scheduled to arrive this fall as part of an $820 million foreign military sale. so that is another point of leverage. but what are the options really on the table for the president? on the one hand, he's trying to

support democracy in egypt but on the other hand america has some other vital interests in the region. >> yeah. karen, one thing that's really clearly on the table now is this incremental carrot and stick approach. it's been tried in other countries and other instances with varied success. the apaches would be one small part of the larger aid package that could be delayed, sort of held up and not canceled entirely. that's a far cry from canceling $1.3 billion a year in military assistance but it would certainly send a signal. so far the attempts to send signals to the egyptian militaries as the ambassador mentioned hasn't worked. it's produced either no response or exactly the opposite response from what the obama administration had sought. there were any number of people, including secretary chuck hagel

saying, don't do this. we know that that's an option for you and you have pressure on you to do it and he did. >> well, steve, what's your take on this? because the other thing we've seen, in addition to the united states, you've got the eu now making statements. you've got other european leaders actually coming forward. you've got others trying to put pressure on the egyptians. it's not really all on the united states here. >> it's ad hoc and scattered. the germans have cut off their aid. we're still standing by the joint military exercises. listen, the vital national interest of the united states is try to obtain an option and participate in election and feel like they are included in that process. and what we've seen general

al-sisi do is rip that prospect away from them. that can have nasty consequences not only for the united states itself. i think that this is in 1989. we imposed very harsh sanctions on china and later the same president sent them to china because we need china. you can do both. you can punish egypt's general, suspend aid temporarily, and then bring it back because we can't abandon egyptian entirely but it's wrong to acquiesce so the circumstances that are in play under that general. >> steve, to that point, what do you read into the fact that it seemed like general sisi, it was kind of a dual statement. on the one hand he says there's room for everyone and on the other he says he's saying we're not going to stand by and let the violence happen. >> mohamed morsi made the same comments without killing lots of people. he was also speaking in an

incli inclusive kind of language. our leverage in egypt is not the money we give them. it's decades of human relationships both in the intelligence services and the pentagon. the human relationships are very strong and not everyone supports general sisi. i think it's important to realize that he's taken that country across a line and it needs to come back and we may need to mix up or try to mix up the leadership inside egypt and hopefully potentially without him. >> you know, am bar dos ross, how nervous does this make israel? because one of the things it strikes me, as so many things in the middle east, it's not just about what is happening in egypt. there are implications for israel and other parts of the evangelical john. >> i think the israelis are nervous for good reasons. there are a lot of jihadis. when morsi was president, he did nothing about that.

somehow that the military will do something about that, the military is one institution that has a commitment and a stake in the peace treaty and so the israelis would like to see support just like the saudis would want to see support for the military. we're in a very difficult position because all of our friends in the region want us to support the military and not walk away. we want to see the bloodshe had and we want to see real political transition take place. we don't want egypt to become a failed state. we don't think that mere suppression is going to work. and so how we try to position ourselves to deal with that is obviously a very, very challenging question. >> ambassador, it strikes me that the military is playing a different kind of role this time than we saw previously. i mean, previously it's my understanding that they sort of liked being in a position of being seen more as on the side of the people and this time the military has really seemed to have changed its tactics and its

position. >> i think they would argue that. i think their attitude is that the majority of the egyptian public actually back what is they are doing. they see and i think many in egypt believe there was a second revolution that removed morsi. now, you can debate the side. what is clear, there's a polarization within egyptian today. i do think there's a significant part of egyptian public that backs what the egyptian military is doing and the real question is, is the military prepared to find their way whack to the barracks? is the military prepared to preside over a transition? will the military adopt more of a containment approach to demonstrations or will it continue on a path where it believes it can simply suppress the muslim brotherhood and all of the isimists? that seems to be a very difficult proposition. >> very quickly, last question to you, in your piece in "the washington post" yesterday, you had mentioned that it seemed that in egypt there's a sense

among the internationals or diplomatic community that people have crossed the line and people are throwing up their hands or are at a loss. can you give us a sense of the mood there? >> diplomacy has reached a dead end or it had at the end of this week. all of the efforts had been to avert a blood bath and to tell the generals that they really did have to hue to their promise to return quickly to civilian rule. now there's really a big question of what will they do next and what is the right international response? is it to yank aid or apply other kinds of pressure? that's really where the diplomacy is stuck right now, is what do you tell the generals and how do you tell them? >> thank you. >> thank you. homeless to howard. how a young man found an unconventional way of spending a childhood in cars to a

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mandatory sentencing in three strike laws once sounded like a great idea, democrats got tough on drugs and backed federal guidelines in 1986 and it still has its supporters to this day. >> it's just wrong. crime is coming down because of these quote/unquote draconian mandatories because you're taking the hardcore off the street. >> no. >> across the political spectrum, people close to the problem recognize the need for reform, including the u.s. sentencing commission and america's largest service group for prison guards. what the bill o'reillies of the world fail to acknowledge is that these blanket solutions are not applied evenly so the rhetoric is not fitting the reality. drugs haven't gone away. even though the united states is only 5% of the world population, we have 25% of its prisoners, the highest incarceration rate in the world. our prisons are dangerously

overcrowded, half filled with people who didn't commit violent crimes. instead of any rehabilitation towards drug felons, we take minor drug felons and drop them back into a world that withholds jobs and housing. additionally, due in part to the sentencing for crack versus powder cocaine, racial disparities have resulted in more black men being incarcerated than more enslaved in 1850. african-americans are sent to prison at time times white even though five times as many whites are using drugs as african-americans and plus they serve as much time in prison for a nonviolent offense. joining me now is a spiritual adviser to president obama and superior court judge and former presidential candidate. thanks to you both.

>> nice to be with you. important issues. >> josh, i want to start with you. you eventually wrote about someone who kind of illustrates the limits of what we're talking about in terms of prison. joe jones who went to drugs in the 1960s when he was 14 and it basically made him better at crime. tell us about his story. >> you know, joe jones tells us far too often in our country we are locking up our greatest potential. this is a guy who is now one of our country's most effective nonprofit executives. he runs an organization in baltimore called the center for urban family. he's written legislation for the state senate. for years, he was warehoused in jail after jail and prison after prison. not because he was a kingpin or a druglord but because he was an addict. he had a problem. instead of connecting him to rehabilitation and treatment, we locked him up in these facilities. that cost taxpayers hundreds and thousands of dollars. what attorney general eric holder said this week is, enough is enough.

we have to look at individuals as individuals. not to be warehoused in prison but as folks who need creative and alternative sentences. >> judge gray, you have actually written about that. with sort of the joe jones, that our prisoners are being filled up with nonviolent criminals. you talk about the idea that you give people a taste of jail that can have to actually break the cycle and then actually other methods that we can keep tabs on them and get them into treatment. can you talk about that? >> karen, you're certainly right. we need prisoners in our world but for violent offenders, for those who will cause harm to us. it's the most expensive result that you can come up with. we have most county jails the largest establishments and they can't get a job, et cetera. strictly adhered to probation

and restitution, job assistance, that is the way to go. like you said, it was jim web, the senator from virginia who quoted your statistics, 25% of the world's incarceration. either we're the most evil people in the world or we're doing something wrong. what do you hope it is? >> i hope that we're doing something wrong. you also support the legalization of marijuana. how would that affect the incarceration rates? >> let's start with marijuana. we heard mr. holder's comments and i applaud them and any sound-thinking person would. there is no substance. what does a gang affiliation mean, what does a low-level offender mean? we need leadership and caring leadership that we don't have today. maybe he slept better on monday night for having made this statement but there's in substance. where is the clemency that

people are now serving? we have hundreds and hundreds and thousands of in prison that simply should not be there. very expensive for the taxpayer. also very difficult for their children, both mothers and fathers in prison as well as, of course, that i themselves. it's time to look at this fresh. >> go ahead, josh. >> i have to respectfully disagree on that no substance point. if you go to the justice department's website, you'll see that he actually offered very specific guidance to prosecutors around the country and told them that they can no longer pursue these mandatory minimum sentences for those tried with low-level drug offenses. >> judge, what he tried to do was give people more broader tools. they wouldn't be require to use those maximum sentencing guidelines. >> there is more flexibility but i would say in the framing of the attorney general's remarks

and the documentation that went along with it, it was a specific guidance. surely there needs to be more specifics and i was instruct by the specificity that was involved in the doj's announcement. >> i think that's fine. there are 93 united states attorneys around the nation. he gives guidelines like he did with his memo about not prosecuting people and compliance with state law and marijuana. where is the statute? where is the statute to repeal mandatory minimums? >> yeah. >> to stop these enhancements? he's been in office for 4 1/2, almost 5 years. where is the substance, joshua? where is the substance? >> that is a great point. and, as you know, attorney generals can't pass statutes. that's a job for congress to do. >> oh, okay. but he can make recommendations. >> but i would say that another great thing is that republicans and democrats are coming together on this. i saw the senator from utah in this area and the state of texas

has 5,000 fewer inmates because they are pursing similar to what the attorney general is recommending and i think we're at a tipping point where republicans and democrats can come together. >> i like the fact that we've seen such a broad coalition in this reform movement but i also think that's the reason why we're doing this and there's another context and we're demuhammd dehumanizing upbringing for when you look at these disparities in sentencing. >> it's a difficult conversation. it's one that makes a lot of folks uncomfortable. i understand that. the math is the math. an african-american man convicted of the same offense as a white man in this country as a roughly 20% longer sentence, on average. we've got to get to the bottom of that. we've got to start seeing these folks as individuals and not as these criminals to be locked

away but like joe jones, as individuals who have tremendous potential to add to our country. >> you know, judge gray, final question to you. i know you have some issues with the substance of what the attorney general put forward but some conservative critics are attacking the attorney general on legal grounds saying it's an abuse of power. here's charles on fox news last week. >> what he's done now is worse than just suspending the parts of the law and instructing prosecutors not to prosecute. he also was telling prosecutors who already have prosecutions in place that they can withhold evidence so that the defendant won't get a maximum or manned mother penalty. i mean, that is illegal. that's unlawful. >> judge, the point that you were making doesn't sound like the attorney general is on shaky legal territory and potentially you think he could have gone further. >> well, i do.

i was a former federal prosecutor in los angeles. it's the job for the prosecutor to do justice every single time. if they believe that it is overkill, if you have the extra charges, the mandatory minimums, the enhancements, it's up to that prosecutor to do justice. so if they end up reducing the charges, which they can do and should do, i applaud that. but come back with regard to substance. i'm here to tell you that elected to president as a libertarian, we would have elected all of these things by now. >> well, we'll see. thanks to josh dubois and judge james gray. >> thank you. coming up, we have a speak key forecast of the republican tale. the cautionary tale is coming up next into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom.

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well, the national republican party is in disarray and disrecord. the republican leaders have been frightening organized in acting out in reforms. one state in north carolina offers a cautionary tale. the first era of all republican rule since the mckinley administration. first, on the gop agenda, gerrymandering. the gop ensured that they would have an up hill battle trying to undo the damage done. in 2012 they passed amendment with banning same-sex marriage making something that was already illegal more illegal. then, on election day 2012, republicans not only maintained both houses in the assembly but

also picked up their first republican governor in more than two decades. that allowed the gop to pack on the pain. the governor signed a tax plan that increases taxes on the poor and gives a tax cut to those making nearly $1 million. a couple of weeks later, despite a pledge not to sign any new abortion restrictions if elected, mcquery restricted women's rights and then signing a sweeping voter i.d. law. joining me now to talk about it is north carolina -- about the voter i.d. law and republican rule, let's bring in ari from "the nation." ari, thank you for joining me. i want to start with you. north carolina not the only state controlled by republicans but it's a state where i think

we see kind of their agenda on steroids. as "the washington post" reported, right now 30 states have republican governors and in all but five, the gop controls state legislatures and in 14 of those states, including two with democratic governors, it's enough to override gubernatorial vetoes. you talk about the need to get out and get organizing. looking at that map, it sure seems what the consequences are? >> absolutely. north carolina is where they have perfected the frankenstein monster. it's the cherry on top of the disgusti disgu disgusting cake that they have built. flooding the system with more unregulated money and at the same time putting so much more

money into the political system, you look at it and on the face of it it can't be about stopping voter fraud. >> you know, barbara, thanks for joining me. i want to take a look at what north carolina's republican-controlled government has been up to. "time" magazine wrote, "since the state's legislative session began in january, lawmakers have blocked medicaid and cut the corporate tax rate and trimmed public funding, passed a bill that allows concealed weapons in bars and restaurants, tackled welfare reform and proposed a ban on sharia, restricted access to abortion and enacted stricter voting laws. >> it is the north carolina nightmare. and it's a warning to the nation that this is precisely what their real agenda is, that if we aren't careful, that we will see north carolina becoming the

model for every state in this country unless those of us who care get out and vote and exercise our power. it's very important to know that the majority of north carolina is opposed to this and 50% of people no longer support these laws and 56% of the people now disapprove of the legislature, the general assembly, that is, and the governor. >> barbara, talking about the law requires voters to show government-issued i.d. cards at the polls. >> yes. >> but governor mcqueary says it has nothing to do with keeping down the minority turnout. where have we heard that before? >> please, it's florida again. it's pennsylvania, wisconsin, all of these states that have come up with these voter suppression laws and people like rose snell eaton, now that she's 92, all of a sudden, she's told

she can't vote again because she doesn't have a voter i.d. it's unnecessary. it does nothing to make a good, strong system. it's just a terrible way of keeping out the new 9% almost latinos who have moved to the state who have become involved in the political process. it is an effort to keep out the progressives who are moving to the state in large numbers and the urban centers that are growing and becoming very dominant in the politic of the state instead of the rule of voters. it's an attempt to really turn north carolina into this nightmare of a vision of a restricted, limited democracy, something that none of us want. we want a robust america. >> one of the things going on in north carolina on the positive side, we're seeing governor mcqueary's disapproval rating go

up so voters don't like what is going on but we're seeing a new kind of activism and you wrote about this in a piece. i loved what julian bond had to say. on the one hand, if north carolina is a model for what is wrong with the republican agenda, i think moral mondays has been an example of what is right. talk a little bit about that. >> absolutely. you have a multiracial, multiissue coalition built around social justice, which is very unique in the south. i really haven't seen that since the 1960s and it's something that really needs to be exported. they've put a tremendous amount of time in north carolina. they have built this movement and now with the loss of section 4 of the voting rights act we're seeing a loss of democracy taught the south. we're seeing more extreme politics pass the state. we need to see more moral mondays across the state. >> hopefully we will and next weekend it will be an important opportunity to spread the expertise of north carolina. thank you to ari and barbara.

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