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>> and linda says, seest tas every afternoon. >> i have been long an advocate for the see yes ta. am i invading your personal space. >> >> we're great. >> "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ and we can't stop and we won't stop ♪ ♪ ♪ >> come on, come on. what are you doing, t.j.? no. no. >> that's not a happy clap. >> all right. >> that's a hey, what's wrong with you, trjt j.? >> good morning, everyone. >> we have kids watching the show, getting ready for school. you could have shown bob schieffer interviewing chuck grassley. >> i'm sure -- >> right? >> now that's sexy. >> the kids. >> ashton kutcher said on the

video now viral now that's sexy. >> i thought i was glad i was back from vacation. >> no. >> it's monday, august 26th welcome to "morning joe." >> what was that. >> we have richard haas author of "foreign policy begins at home". >> t.j. wants to know what you think about that? >> yeah. >> white house correspondent for bloomberg news and bloomberg tv juliana goldman, welcome. >> we're sorry that it started that way. >> the way it starts. >> wearing blinds already. >> exactly. >> and in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. >> who is actually was going to be there, but not old enough yet. next year. sam stein. >> he got carded. >> i wouldn't make a joke of it actually. i think that was really, really disturbing. that young lady who is 20, is obviously deeply troubled, deeply disturbed, clearly has

confidence issues, eating disorder and i don't think anybody should have put her on stage. that was disgusting and embarrassing. >> i've been around the track a few times, i have two older boys. >> they don't think that's attractive, miley. >> so anyway -- >> nobody does, actually. >> if i could finish what i'm going to say. >> sorry. >> the point you're going to make what is i just said. that was not attractive. that was not fun. that was not funny. that was really, really bad for anybody who's younger and impressionable and she's really messed up. >> of course she's messed up. here's the problem -- >> they should be ashamed of themselves. >> the problem is, i remember -- i was talking about this last week, when, of course, the kids always want to know what i think about performers on these type of award shows and ashton cupper in, sam, you know it's true, what does joe think about whatever -- >> exactly. >> and willie and i sometimes

just smoke away, we're pinball wizards. so i was talking about this ashton kutcher thing being a great pushback over the american culture. brittney spears must have been '98, '99, she came out, slithered on the floor of the awards. >> had that big snake. >> i'm a grown guy. didn't shock me. but i had like a 9-year-old boy and a 6-year-old boy that were there to watch like n'sync or the backstreet boys or something like that, and that's a real disgrace about this. mtv knows the people watching these shows are tweeners and the sexualization for pre-teen girls and you're going to see it, i'm going to see it, the sexualization, it had a horrible impact, not to go on too long here. >> no, this is important,

actually. >> when my boys were in middle school, i cannot tell you the shocking things that middle school girls talked about doing, described doing, having clubs doing, they had bracelets, i mean it was one crisis after another. because they saw this on tv all the time. so ashton kutcher, we have we'll show a clip later on, it was a great, great talk, and then you have something like this last night where again, come on, we're all grownups, we've all seen a lot worse, but it's our kids that are watching. >> the whole thing was cinch worthy but i feel bad for her. she is a mess. someone needs to take care of her. someone needs not to put her on stage and make a complete fool of herself and you were saying about the age of the man on -- >> wait. do i want to see her? t.j., stop. come on. t.j. keeps asking do we want to see it again. >> it happened last fight. i figured -- >> we're done.

>> this is where we're not going to actually talk about something in a negative way to actually show it. we're not going to show it. i don't want to see that ever again on this show. >> you know what happens with these performers whether it's her, brittney, christina aguilera, they're disney kids and then go to over correct to make a statement at the big event, i'm not a little girl anymore. that was such an over correction. the guy she was on stage -- >> robin think. >> who's getting six. >> he's 36 years old. what is he doing simulating sex with a 20-year-old girl in her underwear. i feel like an old man saying all this but it was over the top. >> can i -- >> beyonce think. >> oh, my gosh. the whole thing is bad. >> yeah. >> sam stein, you're laughing, but like you're 20 years old. >> i'm not laughing. i'm just -- >> pa donna simulating sex with you on "morning joe." look at will smith's family. >> i'm not laughing. i'm just surprised because we have richard haas here and he's

like a long-time expert on this type of thing. we brought him on to discuss this and he hasn't chimed in. >> richard has daughters and i'm sure you have an opinion. go back and look at will smith's family again. >> that is a great shot. >> that's it right there. because that's really what it looked like to people. i mean -- >> it was desperate. >> pathetic. >> desperate. >> it's desperate. >> sick. she's clearly disturbed she feeds to do that. >> it is the coarsening of america. >> if i can be honest after having studied this for a lot of reasons she doesn't look healthy. all right. let's get to major foreign policy news. the government in syria has agreed to allow u.n. inspectors to survey the scene of an alleged chemical attack. the inspectors headed out to the site this morning but u.s. officials called the move too late to be credible and this morning there are reports at least two mortars fell near the hotel of the u.n. representatives. there is doubt about what inspectors will find at the scene where 355 people were

believed to have been killed in large part because of continued heavy shelling in the area. on saturday, president obama reviewed a range of options and possible targets with his national security team. the u.s. has already four destroyers nearby in the mediterranean sea, two within missile range. members of congress are comparing the situation to kosovo calling for surgical strikes using cruise missiles. >> i think we have to respond and i think we have to respond in conjunction with our nato allies, respond much as was done in libya with the nato allies and i think we cannot afford to sit back and wait. >> president assad says this morning, quote, failure awaits the united states if it attacks. comparing a conflict with syria to vietnam. >> well, i don't know. we could just kill you. actually. it wouldn't really be hard to find you and kill you. >> there is that. >> i mean, i don't think it's going to take us -- >> here's reuters.

>> showing tepid support at home. only 25% of americans would want the u.s. to intercede, down five points from two weeks ago. andrew roberts writes in the "wall street journal," it takes a barbarian to employ poison gas. muse linney, hitler and husain were three, and today force is assad. yet the chinese and russians continue to excuse and defend him and the white house ties itself into rhetorical knots in order to avoid having to topple him. president obama, who talks endlessly of the importance of civilized values, must now uphold this one. >> richard haas, first of all, assad does sound an awful lot like a former panamanian dictator, remember, when he had his machete and says if they come into the jungles it will be another vietnam. three weeks later he's locked up

in another miami jail cell. things are difficult for the president. nobody wants boots on the ground. nobody wants war. but you know what? that doesn't mean he sits back and says we can't do anything. i wonder if what we're seeing here is the end result of a president saying you know, we can't really do anything in egypt, we really can't do anything in syria, you know, we really can't do anything in most places across the world. there is a middle ground, between letting the world know that you are completely feckless and weak and don't have the courage to do anything, and sending 100,000 troops in to invade a country. >> first of all, he does need to do something here. you can't allow someone to use a weapon drugs and gx and get awa it. it sends a message to the world that these weapons a normal. you have to underscore the taboo against it.

when you issue a red line you reinforce it. it raises questions about your credibility and hurt everywhere. >> for the record, you know this, but just for people at home that may not know this, first of all, he said assad must go. and that was before 100,000 people were slaughtered. the president makes a declaration, 100,000 slaughtered and then says he can't cross a red line and then crosses a red line once. the president sends what signal to assad. >> not just to assad but to the world. what the poll misses, there's a difference between responding to syrian use of chemicals and getting drawn into another quagmire. there is as you said, an intermediate ground. things we can and should do. for example, you talked about the ships offshore. we can use cruise missiles without in any way putting american pilots in danger, we can launch what's called a punitive strike against the syrians, we can do damage to chemical weapons related sites,

command and control targets without putting ourselves in the position of becoming a protagonist in an open-ended syrian civil war. the president does have intermediate options here which send the message that we need to send without getting the united states dragged into something that so far i would argue we've been wise to avoid. >> there are few options that are not complicated, juliana. >> yeah. you know, look, this is going to be a decision week for the white house, and you are going to see most likely something coming down vis-a-vis syria, probably egypt also, when it comes to aid. but the kinds of options that it sounds like they're leaning to are in line with the middle ground that you're talking about, which is targeted attacks at the chemical weapons fa till si sill -- facilities. they're saying this is not going to be a libya-style operation. it's going to be muchp more small scale than that and it's not going to be going after assad. they're not going to be putting boots on the ground, not

considering a no-fly zone. >> the white house was stronger in its rhetoric yesterday saying it was too late for the chemical inspections, they've already cleaned up the sites and it was too late for that. but part of the problem, as richard knows well is, what the opposition is. if you go in and take out assad, whatever that means and however you would do it, what fills that vacuum? this is the hodge-podge of international groups, some of them perhaps al qaeda even, fighting against assad, so you don't know what you get as in the case when egypt and every other country you want to choose, it's okay to take out the dictator but what comes next becomes the question. >> that's exactly right. watching general colin powell yesterday talk about this, he made that point, which is that who are these people that, you know, comprising the rebel forces? how much is al qaeda influencing them and what do we get if we do end up toppling assad? i think those are three very legitimate scary questions to ask. they are part of the

calculation, part of the hesitancy that this white house has is because of those. in addition to, you know, deciphering or figuring out how this reshifts in the entire regional power system. iran has made a bunch of threats to the united states if we were to put any pressure on the assad regime. so it's not so simple as to say, if we put in a few cruise missiles and get rid of assad we're fine because there's a whole host of contingencies there and the other thing we need to consider, how much is this going to cost us, not just now but in the long run. we're not going to put boots on the ground, no one is talking about it, but you have to game out what the cost is going to be for any lengthy intervention and it's not going to be cheap. >> it's important to distinguish between a response to syrian use of chemicals and a quote/unquote intervention in syria. this is not as best i can tell going to be the latter. the purpose is not to quote/unquote take assad out, not to tip the military balance in favor of the opposition.

that is what the administration is not going to do. this is something more sur comdescribed, to underscore the message that weapons of mass destruction cannot become normal weapons used in wars. it's a more limited intervention in every sense of the word. what's interesting is i think and you've seen the parallels to the balkans is the administration is prepared to do something like this without having u.n. security council backing. we're not going to wait for the chinese or russians to support us. instead they'll put together a coalition of the willing, the like minded, the british, french, turks, possibly get fayto support but it underscores that the u.n. doesn't have somehow a veto on what is legitimacy. >> richard, i have a question. how do you go about doing something tactical like that and -- with potentially leaving assad still in power? >> well, the answer is you simply do it. you basically make him pay a price. the purpose is to show chemical

weapons can't and should not be used. you hurt him militarily. perhaps you start sending serious weapons to the members of the opposition you can live with. it cannot be an all or nothing type situation in which case the answer will be nothing. there are, again, smart things to. >> we're going to get back to this during must reads. >> willie, i had a tweet. >> no. >> i saw a tweet. and this is dateline, super bou carolina, politics. lindsey graham, when do you know maybe some of the rhetoric from some tea party members has gone too far? when lindsey graham is called a, quote, a community organizer for the muslim brotherhood. >> stop. >> oh. >> it's stupid. >> isn't that well established, obviously. >> wow. >> this was -- >> wow. >> senator -- state senator lee bright, will take on lindsey

graham. >> might have retreweeted it. >> calling graham a community organi organizer. >> so dumb. >> it's a comic book. >> speaking of dumb -- >> it's a comic book. >> george zimmerman is back in the news. >> okay. >> straighten up here. i didn't have anything to say about him before. maybe this time we'll have something to say. >> you'll have something to say. even his lawyers. we have nothing to do with this guy. we just did what we did. >> what happened? >> he visited a florida gun factory where he was -- >> that seems like a really good pr move, doesn't it, willie? >> where he was -- every sentence of this story gets worse and worse. he was reportedly in search of a new shotgun. yep. that's him, tmz photographing him, george zimmerman, at the factory, which as it turns out, is the same company that makes the weapon that zimmerman used the night trayvon martin was

killed. really? >> that's -- >> i know. >> unbelievable. >> i'll be careful. >> be careful. >> the controversial decision to visit the factory was even criticized by zimmerman's legal team, which said in part, quote, we certainly would not have advised him to go to the factory that made the gun that used to shoot trayvon martin through the heart. we got the verdict that we believe is just and the rest of george's life is up to george. yeah. >> wow. >> so sam stein -- >> doesn't sound like they completely -- >> distance there. >> talk about some distancing. the picture of him -- >> they don't believe in him. >> the picture of him with i think the owner's son. >> yikes. >> he goes there, gripping and grinning and smiling. and his own defense -- i can't believe how much his own defense team is distancing himself from him. >> can you believe that quote. >> that's a stunning statement. it's so galling.

to be like grinning and smiling about it and obviously flaunting the fact that he's there and, you know, the timing of it also is a bit obnoxious too. you know, this march on washington was this weekend. the 50th anniversary. i was down there. the trayvon martin case was so omni present throughout the whole thing. it was brought up by multiple speakers. it was, you know, discussed if the crowd. it still is an open wound like a very open wound. >> absolutely. >> for this to pop up, it's salt. it's insulting. >> what are the parents thinking of trayvon martin? >> it's sickening and it looks like the picture you see in restaurants or a store where you have a celebrity there shaking your hand, somebody who visits there, and something to brag about. >> and celebrating something and i don't know what, but that statement by the attorney, willie? >> strong. >> was -- it said something. that's for sure. >> whether or not you think george zimmerman got away with murder and a lot of people do --

>> sounds like his attorneys think he did. >> you took a life, however it happened, of a young kid with that gun. just lay low, man. certainly don't hang out at a gun factory. >> show the picture again. what i don't understand is, there is a certain faction of american political system that has embraced george zimmerman as a hero. you know, i said from day one, that it was going to be hard, during the trial, it was going to be hard to convict this man. that doesn't peen that many on the far right need to embrace this man whose own lawyers are now running away from him. he's not a hero. not only not a hero, he's a man that recklessly went in, was told by the cops to stay away, regardless of what you think of him, he disobeyed the cops orders and he kept chasing this guy. want to squibble about the last seconds who was fighting whom,

that's fine, quibble about it, this is not a man that republicans should embrace as a hero. he is anything but a hero. >> the reason the american legal system, difference between innocent and not guilty. may have been found not guilty given the technicalities of the law. >> the attorneys sound like they would say that too. >> can i say one thing, talking about the march on washington, and i couldn't -- unbelievably moving, but something else happened this weekend. >> oh, boy. >> you foe what i'm talking about. >> i don't. >> you have the march on washington and what do you have behind, you know, that iconic image of king, who's behind king? what big statute? >> do you want the real answer -- >> it's lincoln, right. >> of our time. >> abraham lincoln of our time. connect the dots, man. >> donald j. trump. >> this is a disgrace. >> what are they trying to do? just because donald trumps

supports freedom. what are you smirking about. >> what am i missing? >> he's being sued, richard. >> educate. >> educates people on obama care and suddenly the president of the united states, i know this because i read donald's tweets last night, the president meets with the attorney general of fork one day, and donald is suddenly in the middle of this. i mean seriously. it's a scam. it's a setup. what the government is doing to donald trump. >> he's being sued by -- >> go ahead, willie, please, tell us what's going on. >> one day on martha's vineyard and on the next -- >> yeah. >> going after the donald. >> yes. >> who is the donald? the abraham lincoln of our time. >> hard to say it, isn't it? >> it is. being sued for $40 million says here by the attorney general of new york state. >> because he's educating people. >> he's accused of encaming

illegal businesses practices tied to trump university which promises to make its students rich. >> i got all my degrees from there. >> where is the responsibility of the students in all this? >> yeah. >> seriously. where? >> i was rejected. >> you were? were you. see. >> julie ana. >> it's not easy to get in there. this is another -- big government scam. >> being targeted. >> he spoke out. >> i loved watching juliana's face through this. is this true? what are we doing here? gone from miley cyrus to syria to george zimmerman getting his picture taken in a gun factory to donald trump being sued. >> freedom. >> is this not what they do? >> give us a call, donald. this is an absolute disgrace. >> still ahead on "morning joe," she's calling this supreme court one of the most activist in history. fou 80-year-old justice ruth bader ginsburg is vowing to stay on the bench as long as possible. we're going to talk to "the new

york times" writer about his interview with justice ginsburg straight ahead. straight ahead, nfl quarterback and current espn analyst jesse palmer joins us to preview the 2013 college season. >> and rex ryan. ask him about rex ryan. >> turn around when we talk about him. >> up next the top stories in the politico playbook. here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> welcome back, guys. always making me smile for many different reasons. california fire, the rim fire, was the big blaze out there in the west. i want to show you this video from an air tanker. show you the plane drops, but what is it like to be in the cockpit of these planes and fly in and drop the retardant. the rim fire on the right burning in yosemite park. one of the 15 largest fires ever in the state of california and this is the only way to fight this blaze. it's in very rural terrain. firefighters having a hard time with it because of the rugged terrain. it's probably going to burn for a long time. let me show you the specifics on the fire. it's only 7% contained right

now. it's not really burning towards any populated area. that's good. it's actually moving towards more rugged mountain areas towards the mammoth lakes direction. that's good news of the fire. but it's going to be with us probably until the first rains of the rainy season in october or november. middle of the country, heat wave continues. it was a scorcher this weekend. we were 98 in minneapolis. today could be 100. one of the cooler spots could be new england. lots of clouds this week. showers moving through this morning. buffalo, carry the umbrella. syracuse, albany, even philadelphia and new york city, a chance of showers and storms today. airports shouldn't be too bad, though. just minor problems. otherwise the heat is the big story. we had a cool summer overall and looks like the middle of the country will bake into the beginning of september including labor day weekend. washington, d.c., you're in for a decent day today, relatively dry. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business.

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's time to take a look at the morning papers and we start with the telegraph. greece is seeking an additional $13 billion in financial aid in what could be the country's third bailout. this rescue package would be on top of the $320 billion greece already received and the country paid it clear it's not going to accept new austerity measures with a new bailout. what they're saying to the world community and the eu and germany is, give us more money and we're not going to do anything to prove that we won't -- >> exactly. >> like a loan -- >> they keep doing it. >> "washington post," tens of thousands of people gathered in the nation's capital this weekend to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. the historic march which took place in 1963 set the statement for dr. martin luther king, j jr.'s "i have a dream" speech. over the weekend speakers

included martin luther king iii, reverend al sharpton, and representative john lewis from georgia. the only surviving speaker from the original event. >> and the new yo"new york dai " news," new words from jake desalinger, author of "catcher and the rye". did you hear what he used to drink? >> no. don't talk about it here. >> okay. >> too early in the morning. >> yeah. >> anyhow, what else does daily news say? they say the author instructed states to release five books after he passed away and he did not release a book after the 1960s and lived much of his life out of the public eye. he died in 2010 at the age of 91. >> "new york times," muriel siebert -- all right. muriel siebert the first woman to buy a seat on the new york stock exchange died this weekend due to complications from

cancer. considered a pioneer from women in finance she devoted millions of dollars to help women advance in business on wall street. she was 80 years old. >> and let's look at the new york papers the d"the daily new the back and willie talking about this, the yankees, "daily news" showing yankees steal one, only three and a half games out, of the wild card race which is something. and quinn getting endorsed by both "the new york times" and "the new york post." >> i know another -- well, i think she's going to get a very big endorsement. >> really? >> yeah. >> and let's go, willie, to politico. >> chief white house correspondent mike allen he has a look at the playbook. good morning. >> good morning, willie. >> you've got your big lead piece about president obama calling it a gamble on voting rights. the 50th anniversary of the

march on washington this week. we saw some of that yesterday. a push, though, from the president this time on voting rights. before i talk to you about this, show you my colin powell talking about this issue over the weekend. >> here's what i say to my republican friends. the country is becoming more diverse. asian americans, hispanic americans and african-americans will constitute the majority of the population in another generation. you say you want to reach out, have a new message, you say you want to see if you can bring some of these voters to the republican side. this is not the way to do it. the way to do it is to make it easier for them to vote and give them something to vote for they can believe in. it's not enough to say, we have to have a new message. we have to have a new substance to that message. >> the justice department is suing the state of texas, for example, over its voter i.d. law. indications that the justice department may sue other states as well. why are you calling that a gamble this morning?

>> the justice department is relying on a method of challenging the voter i.d. law that hasn't been tested that may be tough. the key is the signal that this administration is sending to the states. attorney general holder said when he announced this, that he didn't want it to be open season for states to try to change their voter law. so it looks like the justice department may also challenge north carolina which also enacted a voter i.d. law, that that state says is necessary to avoid fraud. but the justice department and opponents say clearly will make it harder for minorities to vote. >> okay. so mike allen, let me ask you this. i'm curious. because i keep reading these stories an i hear these fiery condemnations of these laws across the country. in north carolina, in texas, are they just asking people to have a picture i.d. ? or are they, what, doing like,

like poll tests? are they making -- what else are they asking them to do other than have a picture i.d. at the polling booth. >> the texas law is restrictive as far as what types of federal i.d.s you can use. and the administration with these laws is saying that states shouldn't rush to try to take advantage of that supreme court decision that they -- >> not cross examining you here, i've been reading this and the new stories on it and makes it sound like we're going back to jim crow laws, there are going to be white people with bull whips whipping black people if they come to vote and bull conner is there ready to release ger shman shepards. again i ask innocently, does north carolina or texas require anything more than a picture i.d. that when somebody shows up to

vote, that the person has a picture i.d. with them, that proves they are who they say they are? >> is that the law, joe. and -- >> anything else? anything else? >> joe, you're getting at the real question here. what is the intent behind these laws. >> no. my question -- >> that's not my question. i want somebody to tell me. is -- are we, when the attorney general -- i'm not being cute here. i'm reading all of these stories that talk about basically you're putting a white hood over the governor of north carolina, putting a white hood over the entire texas legislature, most americans would think it's not racist to ask somebody to just have a picture i.d. when they show up at the voting booth. but you read "the new york times" and you read these other media outlets that again make politicians in north carolina and texas sound racist for just saying hey, you're going to need a picture i.d. to prove you are who you are.

i ask, mike, willie, richard haas, anybody, is there anything else in these laws other than a demand that somebody have a picture i.d. when they show up to vote? >> that is the gist of these laws. states do things to make it harder for people to vote. for instance, if you change your residence or change your address, but joe, you're right. the question is, do you want to make it harder to vote or easier to vote? now opponents of these laws say that fraud is rare, there's not rampant fraud and the intent of these laws is to narrow the pool of people who are voting. the people who support these laws say that just as you do, that why should an unquestionably valid i.d. such as you need to fly on a plane, why shouldn't you have to show that when you vote. >> willie, can i ask mika a question here? >> please, yeah. >> so, you know, if i'm going to get a video -- >> permission granted. >> if i'm going to get a video for my kids, let's say "sponge

bob's" movie. >> right for jack. he loves that. >> i can give him credit. a lot of times, you know, need an irjt d. >> right. >> if i'm going to -- certain medicines you get. >> you need an i.d. >> yes. >> i mean there are -- >> you actually have to have an insurance card as well. >> to get stuff, not where i go, to get stuff, you have to have an i.d. >> right. >> so suddenly, eric holder and liberal opinion page writers are suggesting that you're a racist if you are a governor that suggests that somebody should have a picture i.d. instead of just going that's me, oh, there's no -- >> okay. p so i think that this is a really healthy discussion that has been had out in the media in a completely one-sided way and your side of it is a fair argument and no one goes there because it's not p.c. >> i don't know. >> it's a legitimate argument. >> when i first started voting

years ago i showed up and they go -- that's me. that's you? >> yeah. that's me. here you vote. i was wondering -- >> how come i say that person and that person is me. >> why don't you -- >> why can't we always be working to making the way that we vote and the process better? >> right. >> and by the way -- >> without being deemed racist? >> and from what i've seen from some of the states, northern states that require it. they have special dispensation for people who if they don't have a driver's license, they can go places and get photo i.d.s. this is -- you know, this is -- it has been covered in such a one-sided way. >> that's what i'm saying. >> if you believe that somebody should have a photo i.d. to prove they are who they are -- >> you are a racist. >> this governor of north carolina is racist or everybody in the state of texas is racist and it's outrageous. >> having said that. there are problems that need to be addressed. willie, what's coming up next? >> mike allen thanks a lot. coming up former quarterback jesse palmer joins us to break

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from day one i said we will make the announcement of a starting quarterback when we think it's the appropriate time. not when you, not when this person or this person or this person, now maybe that person, but that's about it. >> you can't even say he has a chance -- >> i can say anything i want. that's the beauty of this country. i'll say it backwards and answer the question. i'm going sideways. at the appropriate time we'll make the announcement when i think it's the appropriate time. >> yes, brian. >> you know, willie, here's the play that he was answering for. this is mark sanchez. >> playing with the scrubs. >> supposed to be his starting quarterback inserted with 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter of a meaningless game. takes out his shoulder. the jets won't say how bad the injury is. he's not playing this week. >> the word from "the lion king" what was that? what was that?

holy cow. rex should be with the bulls, run with the bulls, man. >> wow. here with us now, espn analyst jesse palmer, back every time. good to see you. >> good to see you as well. lots of coffee on the table. >> that's what we do. lots of starbucks. we'll get you one too. can you think of any reason mark sanchez would have been on the field with 11 minutes left? >> this decision for rex ryan in who should be the starting quarterback is so difficult, a lot on mark sanchez the way he's played earlier, has made this decision difficult for his head coach. one word that could sum up his career in new york is inconsistency. he does a lot of really good things. second preseason game of the year, leads the offense to five scoring drives but throws an interception, takes them out of field goal range, keeps giving geno smith opportunities. in this game geno smith did throw a couple interceptions,

did some things well too, but you put starters at risk playing them late in games and that's certainly a questionable decision. >> it's unclear what rex -- >> what was he doing. richard haas, you run the cfr, what was he doing? >> he was exercising his first amendment rights. rex made a cosmic mistake and made a terrible situation that much worse. >> the college game. jesse you have a busy year ahead of you. starts this week. start with alabama. joe's alma mater. they just reload, they got a lot of guys back, their quarterback back, yeldon at running back, cooper the wide receiver. >> in the midst of a dynasty. three of the last four years won national championships and should be the favorite to win it again this year. you know the defense is going to be great under nick saban and kirby smart. every year they lose a ton of guys to the national football league but they reload. what's interesting about this team, watching quarterback a.j. mccarran, 25-2 as a starter. >> the guy could leave with four rings on his finger. >> it's crazy.

>> this has been an offense where he's kind of managed this offense the last couple years. they've wanted to run it a lot and they should. i think they're going to throw it more this year. when you look at the he receiving corps they have led by amare cooper, mccarron could be a dark horse heisman candidate this year. >> what's happening with johnny football? obviously if he's playing the 14th of september, then that's the game of the year for him. but if not, actually they have an easier schedule than they've had in years. >> i don't think johnny football can win the heisman again this year. he's lost too much from last season. luke joeckel was his tackle. he lost his offensive coordinator. two good receivers. guys, i think we're going to see a different style of football from johnny manziel. i don't think you're going to see as many crazy scramble plays we're so enamored with last year. as he's trying to develop to be a better quarterback you're going to see him in the pocket more, trying to find a second

and third receive. he's lost the element of surprise. last year he came out of nowhere. now teams have 13 games to study him. he plays in the s.e.c., one of the best defenses in the country live. i don't think he can repeat as heisman winner but this team has a chance. >> all the ncaa look at him and the autographs, look like he's going to suit up at the beginning of the season. as a guy that was a star quarterback in the s.e.c., played big-time this multibillion dollar business of college football, do you think a guy ought to like johnny manziel who adults are profiting from in tens of billions of dollars in college station, texas, should be able to make a few bucks on his picture? >> i think so. i've been saying this a long time. i think college players should get paid in some way, shape, or form. often times we see around campuses, the scholarships don't account for all of these expenses. a lot of these kids that come from low-income families still can't afford some of the expenses that they have in

school. i think a guy like johnny football who the ncaa, texas a&m has made millions upon millions of dollars because of, you know, i think they should be able to make some sort of stipend, but something equal and unilateral across the board and that's probably the biggest issue here. >> you know, i mean, very tough, especially for vandy players, because these are kids, they know, they sign a shirt, how much money could they make on ebay? >> vandy 9-4. we're a football school now. >> last year, they got a tough -- it's the s.e.c. i mean they're four games on the skeds physical you look at georgia an south carolina and texas a&m and florida. those are all very difficult games. >> we sat here last year on the show at this time getting ready to open the season how vandy could surprise people. you have to love james franklin, tremendous energy, completely changed this program but like you said, first nine win season since 1915. you look at that schedule. that first game thursday against ole miss is a must-win game.

talk about the schedule they have, some of the games they have to win. a lot of starters coming back, but the biggest question marks are the skill positions and austin carter samuels takes over quarterback, transfer from wyoming, zach stacy, all-time leading rusher, gone to the nfl. you have to replace some of that offensive production but it's the s.e.c. >> they've always said, for 100 years, when, man, when you roll into dudley field saturday night -- >> there it is, the does. >> don't just roll in expecting to walk away with a victory. >> buckle your chin strap. 41,000. >> 41,000 people screaming at you, holy cow. >> listen, it's a new day in vanderbilt, thank you, james. jesse, thanks. he'll be calling the first game of the 2013 college football season. just a matter of hours away now. >> it's unbelievable. >> north carolina at south carolina. thursday, 6:00 p.m. on espn. jesse, have a great season. >> you guys as well. >> we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] julia child became a famous chef at age 51.

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time to get up and go to work. richard haas and bloomberg business juliana is with us. we're going to do third term, on the context of the word term. >> what were you saying in the break? just kidding. along with sam stein in washington. you said nothing, you were great. sam, hello. >> hello. >> sam, you want to chime in on the voter i.d. situation? >> yeah. i do. i think you got it wrong. i think there are restrictions here that are, you know, burning some prepredominantly minority communities. closing down polling stations, ending early voting. for college kids you can no longer in these instances use college i.d. laws. some of these people don't have any other form of i.d. hold on, one more thing. the people who don't have i.d.s, are predominantly old or minority and that's just a fact. you can say and i think you're right about this, a lot of people do have i.d.s and maybe

they should use them to vote. there is a segment of the population that doesn't have i.d.s and happen to be minorities and old. >> by the way, all those things that you said making it harder for people to vote as far as by, you know, ending early voting or ending weekend voting, i think we're so far down the road there we shouldn't be more restrictiontive but my question went to an i.d. >> yeah. >> by the way, you said something and i would like to see some studies on it because i've seen others that suggest there's not a huge difference between minorities and whites that would be affected by voter i.d. by having to show a voter i.d. there was maybe a 1% difference. >> you're right about that. >> the last -- >> it's overstated generally. >> the last study i saw said there just wasn't. this presumption of the media that somehow anybody that wants to require a voter to produce an i.d. is racist, is -- that's the point i'm making. that's wrong. you want to talk about all of these other obstacles to voting,

obviously i'm against that. my question went to the voter i.d. i kept asking mike allen, what else is there, and he kept talking about the voter i.d. juliana, you were saying there's quite a few different things constains in the state bills -- contained in the state bills that are restrictive. >> look at fiscal cliff inconor week, colin powell was with the governor of north carolina sitting there, and he slammed this law. at a ceo forum. so -- and colin powell, i think, also in his interview over the weekend, he said that we really haven't seen instances of fraud. he said show me the proof of that also. >> in the north carolina bill, though, other than the voter i.d. ? >> voter i.d. it changes early voting as well. i think also what sam was saying about restricting for college students as well. >> limits the type of i.d.s you can use. >> early voting, location of polling places, restriction on

college students, what i think is interesting here about this debate, and where like literally twitter blew up and you were getting attacked, is that -- >> what am i going to do? >> you got it wrong and then listed those things. joe wasn't talking about those things. this is where this issue seems to explode over race. he was talking about the i.d. issue and you brought on four other things that i think the two of you agree on which he never mentioned. >> sam -- >> i said about the voter i.d. and you hurt my feeling. maybe your mother understands why we don't call on you as much as you would like. >> this is so demeaning. >> i'm not going after sam. this is what happens every time. >> go after sam some more here. >> he got it wrong in the sense that he said there wasn't -- now on the i.d. thing -- >> i didn't say that, sam. i didn't say that. hold on, sam. i didn't say that, sam. >> sentences -- >> i didn't say that, sam.

i was asking mike allen is there anything other than the picture? i have now been educated by juliana and richard. >> i was wrong for saying you got it wrong. >> you were wrong on every count. >> people who overstate in some respects the importance of the i.d., you're right, it does hit both republicans and democrats. but this law, these laws are also about saying who, you know, putting restrictions on who can vote. for instance, if you don't have certain forms of i.d. but also if you have -- there are talks about putting in forms that if you haven't voted in past elections for a while, you can review your application. >> i think sam said i'm right. >> move on. >> it's really important that we -- okay. let's go to syria. the government in syria has agreed to allow u.n. inspectors to survey the scene of an alleged chemical attack. the inspectors headed out to the site earlier this morning, but u.s. officials call the move too late to be credible. and this morning, there are reports at least two mortars fell near the hotel of the u.n.

representatives. there is doubt about what inspectors will find at the scene where 355 people were believed to have been killed in large part because of heavy continued shelling -- continued heavy shelling in the area. on saturday, president obama reviewed a range of options and possible targets with his national security team. the u.s. already has four destroyers nearby in the mediterranean sea, two within missile range. now, members of congress are comparing the situation to kosovo. calling for surgical strikes using cruise missiles. >> i think we have to respond and i think we have to respond in conjunction with our nato allies, respond much as was done in libya with the nato allies and i think we cannotp afford to sit back and wait. >> richard, i don't get the kosovo. i mean first of all, chemical weapons weren't used in kosovo. i don't understand the comparison. >> the parallel -- >> this is worse than kosovo.

>> the parallel has to do with not waiting for the united nations to give you a green light. in kosovo we went without a green light. the difference is fundamental. in kosovo we used bombing in a coercive way and we continue to bomb until the government in serbia essentially said uncle. in syria it's not that way. we are going to only bomb i believe for a finite period, for a finite goal to send the message chemical weapons should not be used. not an open-ended coercive campaign until the civil war stops. the kosovo parallel confuses things. >> let's bring in from washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports" andrea mitchell. i understand you have news on the u.n. inspectors? >> the u.n. has confirmed their first inspections team leaving damascus, going to the suspected, but largely believed to be true chemical weapons site, was shot at multiple times by an unknown sniper in the buffer zone. what they have been negotiated for the last 24 hours was a

cease-fire if you will in that area, so that this team -- it was after this team left damascus, right after these pictures, shortly after that, they were shot at and one of the vehicles at least was disabled. they're trying to get a replacement vehicle. this is just to explain how complicated this is and why u.s. officials are saying this is too little too late. whatever evidence may have existed on the ground six days ago, when this happened, has now been degraded. that there has been so much shelling in that area by the regime, that nothing can really be proved. what this team is supposed to do is prove that chemicals were used but not who used the chemicals, but we're told by u.s. officials, by intelligence agencies that the kinds of rockets used were not owned by the rebel forces. there is no doubt any longer. this was a change in what the u.s. officials were telling us at the nsc, what they were briefing the president. that's why you heard all of

these comments saying that there is no doubt and that target lists have been made, but as richard points out, these are limited air strikes by cruise missiles or standoff jets, you know, fighter jets, fighting missiles in, launching weapons in, this is not going to be u.s. boots on the ground and not going to be a bombing mission like kosovo. >> i think this is why what you're going to see today something out of the administration at all levels is trying to pour cold water on the credibility of these investigations. not just because it's too little too late, but also because they don't want this to turn into a side show, the investigations, and also they're not even authorized to say who the -- who launched the chemical weapons attacks. they're just going in to say declaratively yes or no there was chemical weapons which there is very little doubt that's the case. >> andrea, sounds like just in the last few minutes listening to you and richard, some sort of surgical strike as you put it,

is a foregone conclusion, they're going to go after some chemical weapons sites. does president assad strike you as someone who knows that region very well and studied syria, as someone who will be deterred by a surgical strike on a chemical weapons plant? will it change the calculus inside that country much? >> they don't expect this will be a game changer in terms of regime change or the balance of power even in the short term on the ground. in fact, they haven't even provided the weapons that they said they were going to provide last april when they finally concluded the regime had what they thought was a limited way chemical weapons. this is larger. and this has really pushed the administration to make the decisions that some would say were too long in coming. they're not talking about the no-fly zone. many people who once supported it say that is now too late. there's going to be a lot of pressure from both sides. they are working with congress. you've seen people, you know, from both sides saying they have been briefed already. i'm told that this is imminent,

rather not imminent, but that it is moving quickly. we're not talking about something happening today or tomorrow, i don't believe, at this time. we're still working with the allies and congress. >> and also just complicating yesterday you had al nusra saying they are now -- they have the right to respond with chemical warfare because they've been attacked as well. so this is just a situation where there are no good answers. >> no good answers. but there are limited thing we can and should do. this is a rare moment in history. presidents don't usually get second chances. president i would argue should have responded in june when it was clear the syrians used chemical weapons. he didn't. the carousel has come around gone. this time essentially i believe the administration is going to do this. again, not to join the civil war but to underscore the message that no one can get away with using chemical weapons. >> let's bring in chuck todd. great to have you with us. you are so huge now, you are a lone tease going into the 7:00 hour. coming up in the 7:00 hour,

chuck todd. >> it's the last week of august. that's what it means, translati translation. >> no. i think it's a wonderful tease. >> andrea mitchell, she's keeping him there, but we've -- anyway, amping you up because we knew the dodgers played the red sox last night, you would be in a bad mood this morning. >> it was kind of rough. >> so the president has spent the last six months saying assad must go and can't really do anything about assad but if he crosses a red line and then he crosses a red line and the president not doing anything about assad. last week he taught us we can't do anything about egypt. seems like a feckless foreign policy from afar and as richard said sending bad messages across the globe about having tyrants crossing red lines and doing nothing. they understand they need to at least take some action against this regime, right? >> it -- no, the debate isn't

about what wl they should do it but what they should do. all involves military action. how limited is the involvement. yes, they've eliminated the no-fly zone, boots on the ground, but they're going to do something, you know, you would be surprised if it doesn't happen in the next week to ten days. they have to. you talked to some in the foreign policy community, they say guess who's really watching this more intently than anybody else? iran. right. how many threats has the president made about iran and nuclear weapons and crossing a line there. he hasn't used the phrase red line but essentially drawn a line if the sand about what would provoke a u.s. response when it comes to iran. just having to send the message of something in syria, they know they have to do that. they're aware of it. there are people like john kerry, secretary of state, who believed more should have been done in syria a year ago when he was a u.s. senator he was

advocating more and he's a guy normally seen as more of a dove, right. somebody who's very -- a lot of the vietnam veterans in general. he's very hesitant about using u.s. force. he's on the side of u.s. force. the only guy having trouble with how to put -- plan this out and plot this out are the guys at the pentagon because they don't know what is the -- what does it look like in ten days? let's say you shoot cruise missiles. okay. then what do you do? >> juliana, question for richard. >> suppose they go ahead with the targeted strikes and attacking chemical weapons facilities. what kind of destabilizing effect does that then have in the region? does it affect the refugee crisis heading into jordan? does it affect what the u.s. is thinking about whether or not to take back aid from egypt because does that then change the calculus? >> i don't think so. i don't think it's a game changer in terms of the syrian situation, much less the regional one.

again, i think it's largely a message to be heard in tehran. it's largely a message for assad not to use chemical weapons again. but i don't think it fundamentally changes the dynamics. even if it's more extensive. i think they will do more than attack chemical weapons related site because that's not a good target set. we'll probably do a few other things here, command and control sites, maybe military sites. but i don't think it's going to fundamentally tip the balance. the other thing to watch whether the president starts supplying serious weaponry to the opposition. he's talked about it. he hasn't done it. that might be more significant. for those who care less about chemical weapons and more about the trajectory of the syrian crisis, watch what the president does or doesn't do in terms of arming the opposition. >> mika, you've gone on twitter. >> oh. >> and you've asked everybody, changing subjects, you've asked, what does your tweet say? anybody that thinks -- that thinks miley cyrus -- >> so way off topic here. >> i said we're moving to

another topic. >> a huge reaction on twitter to the comments that were made on this show by me. and a lot of it was really negative. i put out a tweet saying if you think she needs an intervention, retweet this. >> on mtv -- >> i think anyone facilitating that last night making money of it, including the network that aired it, should be ashamed of themselves. janet jackson did and was like i think fined and the network fined. that was far worse. that was planned. >> chuck todd, you have kids, right? >> yeah, buddy. >> did you see that stuff last night? >> no. thankfully my kids -- my 9-year-old didn't ask me about the video music awards. we're still -- we still watch the nick jr. awards, disney awards. i have to say, i'm shocked. really, so mtv allowed that to happen and they're looking for publicity. i'm shocked. i don't know. whole things feels a little stagey. >> keeps getting worse. >> staged at the -- >> we're not going to show you, though, miley cyrus -- >> at the cost of miley cyrus'

life because she's throwing it away. >> we're not going to show you her. we're going to show you a reaction shot. this is from will smith and his family looking at miley cyrus and this is sort of -- this is sort of the 2,000th version of justin timberlake looking at madonna and brittney kissing. >> no. that just wasn't as bad. >> look at his kids. >> that was stupid but not -- >> absolutely horrible. >> porn. >> isn't that a good -- isn't that a good reaction? >> it's good. >> isn't it good they're shocked, the kids are shocked. i have to say, that tells me that they're pretty good parents. they keep their kids on the straight and narrow because they're shocked by something like that. >> even -- >> i love -- i love the son's reaction too. >> like what in the hell is wrong with you? >> because it does -- was

terribly uncomfortable. >> two old people on stage looking dumb. andrea, you're going to be talking about the vmas all day at 1:00. >> that's what we're leading with. >> yeah. who do you have on your show today? >> well, we're going to be talking about syria with chris hill, the former ambassador and, of course, we're going to be talking about the march coming up on wednesday, the march from last weekend, and looking forward wi forward. >> we'll see you at 9:00 a.m. on "the daily rundown." >> coming up senator bob corker joins us next. also ahead is this supreme court the most activist in history? justice ruth bader ginsburg thinks so and she's still on that top immic and still on it, her interview with adam liptak next. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.

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chattanooga, tennessee, former home of jon meacham who has moved on, he's in nashville now, the ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, senator bob corker. great to have you with us. willie geist has a question for you. >> good to see you this morning. we've been talking for the last few minutes about syria, richard haas, andrea mitchell reporting something may be imminent, maybe not today or tomorrow, but a surgical strike. what can you tell us about the federal government and the white house response to the crisis in syria? >> are we talking to me? >> yes, sir. >> i'm sorry. >> i was thinking, i'm sorry. i'm having difficulty here. >> my god, he's not in chattanooga. he's in the pashtun highlands. go ahead, bob. go. >> yeah. so look, i think a response is imminent. i talked last evening in the situation room and we're building support with nato allies. our assets are in place.

i don't think there's any question in our administration's mind that chemical warfare has been used and so i hope an authorization, i hope they come to congress for an authorization at some point. i think you're going to see a surgical proportional strike against the assad regime for what they have done and i support that. i do not want us, though, to move into a situation where we're moving beyond supporting the moderate opposition on the ground. i think syrians need to be the ones to deal with this issue but certainly with the use of chemical warfare i think we have to act and i think we'll do so again in a very surgical proportional way. >> richard haas, we have breaking news. one minute ago posted by ap. united nations vehicle used by syria chemical weapons experts shot at by snipers. the team's replacing that vehicle. >> that will reinforce the sense that this inspection drill is not going to be a game changer

and essentially this is going to go forward. senator corker, i was going to ask you the question about whether you thought the administration might also use this as an opportunity to start providing the kinds of anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons those members of the opposition we could support so desperately need? >> well, the anti-aircraft obviously, richard, as you know, creates problems. i mean how do you get those back? so look, i was just in the area. obviously talked with our intelligence folks at present, i don't think that's where we're headed. i think, richard, let's let this next phase occur. i think it will happen soon. i still believe, again, we've got a lot of -- we've got to decide, richard, whether we're moving to industrial strength training or not. at present it's all happening by the cia. sort of dribbling out 50 to 100 opposition folks a month. it's not really at a level that's going to change the dynamics. i think the next big decision

after this one that's before us, is are we going to move to that? are we going to move to industrial strength training. the arms flow is just beginning, probably this week or next, has taken a long time for that to occur, and i think let's let that take place prior to moving certainly to anything that's anti-aircraft. it's hard to get those back if they get in the wrong hands. it creates all kinds of problems down the road for civilian aircraft, so you understand the problems there. >> sam stein is in washington and he's got a question for you. sam. >> two quick questions. does the president need authorization from congress for any of this and two, reading between the lines of what you're saying, sounds like you're skeptical about the composition groups, maybe we don't know enough. is that a fair situation right now? >> i didn't hear the second question. it's fuzzy. the first is they do not need an authorization but i hope they will come for one. if you look at foreign policy over the last long period of

time, congress has gotten a pass on all of these issues and the debate in washington to me can be almost silly because we're not taking ownership over these decisions. i hope they plan to come for authorization. i think the assad regime would be totally idiotic to take any additional steps in the short term relative to additional chemical warfare. they can start but hopefully as soon as we get back, congress will take up an authorization for this. it's the right thing to do. that's what the american people expect their elected officials to be involved in. i'm sorry i didn't hear the second question. >> that's okay. it wasn't that good of a question anyway. senator bob corker, thank you so much. >> wow. >> really appreciate it. >> you all have a good day. i'm going to get back to my day job but i've enjoyed being with you a few moments. >> we love having you. coming up next, is this the most activist supreme court ever. justice ginsburg has tough

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♪ here with us now from washington, "new york times" supreme court correspondent adam liptak in yesterday's "new york times" adam wrote about the 80-year-old justice ruth bader ginsburg writing in part this she vowed to stay on the supreme court as long as her health and intellect remained strong. saying she was fully engaged in her works as the leader of the liberal opposition on what she called one of the most activist courts in history. on friday she said repeatedly that the identity of the president who would appoint her replacement did not figure into her retirement planning. where obama to name justice ginsburg's successor it would presumably be a one for one liberal swap. if a republican president is elected in 2016 and gets to name

her successor the court would be fundamentally reshaped. justice ginsburg's view of the roberts court might surprise conservatives with those trying to figure out what happened with the obama care ruling. >> she was critical of part of that decision too. she said it fits into her idea that this is an exceptionally stunningly activist court because there were five votes for the idea that congress had exceeded its power under the commerce clause in that -- in the health care law. >> so how does that work, though, adam? because i think this would have been the first time that a court ever decided that the commerce clause could be applied in a negative sense, that you're affecting commerce by something you didn't do, so how would not making that big jump be an activist decision by the court? it would seem to be a conservative with a small "c" decision. >> justice ginsburg's view, she

thinks about the voting rights decision in june also, congress has a lot of room to maneuver. if it doesn't run into bill of rights protections, equal protection protections she's not concerned about the kinds of more property rights protections you're talking about. >> julie ana. >> i'm just wondering how rare and significant is it to have a sitting justice speaking so candidly about retirement calling the court activist court? why is she doing this? >> that was fascinating. adam? >> she's a self-confident public servant in who in a democracy thinks a government official might from time to time want to talk to the press. she's given several interviews this summer. she's using activism in a particular sense. some say judicial activism when they want to insult the other side. she's talking about the court which she thinks is high to strike down congressional legislation. all you need do is look at the end of june where they strike

down major parts of the voting rights act and defense of marriage act to see that this is, indeed, an assertive court. >> richard haas? >> just curious, given what she said do you think there is a chance she would resign while president obama still has the chance to appoint -- to nominate her successor? >> to hear her tell it, it will turn only on her health. she's 80. she's survived two different kinds of cancer. and she herself says her health is unpredictable. but to hear her tell it, she's not going to make a strategic political calculation to resign under a democrat to make sure her successful is a liberal as she is and that it sounds like she's willing to roll the dice to see what happens in 2016. >> adam, quickly, you also asked her what her proudest achievement was? i thought it was a fascinating response. >> well, one of her proudest achievements, i'm not sure it's the only one, was the lilly ledbetter act. that's not a judicial decision, that's a reaction to her dissent, where congress overturned a ruling of the

supreme court in a discrimination case. >> adam liptak, thank you so much. read adam's article on newyorktimes.com. still ahead, mike tyson comes clean, admitting his lie about being sober and saying he's on the verge of dying. we're going to show you his emotional press conference ahead. up next, how the obama administration's crackdown on leaks has become a war on the press. we'll talk to journalist steve coll about who the white house is targeting now. >> i think they're targeting you. >> that's next when "morning joe" comes right back. ♪

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new yorker" steve digs into the scope of the first amendment under the obama administration by focusing on the case of "new york times" reporter james ricin. the justice department issued a subpoena for a leak about iran in a book he wrote in 2006. steve writes in part this, that last month the united states court of appeals for the fourth circuit eviscerated ricin's claim to a constitutional right to protect confidential sources and ruled he must testify at a former cia officer's trial or face prison for concept of court. ricin's lawyers have asked the attorney general to reconsider, they're asking the new holder to overrule the old holder. holder cannot undue the fourth circuit's recent ruling but he can contain its damage by withdrawing the subpoena that would force him to testify or go to jail. more broadly in the administration's preferred vernacular, holder can reset his legacy on first amendment

issues. >> so dean, we've got this case, obviously, moving up in the court. you, obviously, have what the white house did with ap, with james rosen, fox, these are trying times for the first amendment, are they not? >> well, what's fascinating is that the obama administration has actually changed its policies but they haven't undone some of the cases that they've set into motion. remember in the spring, the controversy that erodes after it was revealed they had issued this aggressive subpoena against the associated press. the president asked attorney general eric holder to review his policies towards journalists in criminal cases, particularly reaching into their notebooks and their sources in order to prosecute. and in july, holder issued a new set of guidelines that are pretty good and they would go a long way if they were implemented toward sort of reversing the misguided policies establishes a review committee at the justice department

similar to the committees that convene in death penalty cases and other civil rights cases, basically take a deep breath when you're about to issue a subpoena to a journalist. make sure you have a balance of interests in the decisions that you make, rather than letting frontline prosecutors act in the aggressive manner they have been. so the odd thing is, if the obama administration applied the guidelines that it has now issued to the cases that it was previously running, including this very important case involving "the new york times" they would withdraw their own subpoena. it's one of those moments where an administration has to decide whether to change its mind. >> so does the fourth circuit's ruling, if it's upheld by the supreme court, does that eviscerate a reporter's right to keep sources confidential moving forward? >> on this critical question on whether journalists have the right to shield sources in criminal cases we have a divided country. we have circuits on all sides of the issue. the supreme court hasn't visited the question since the 1960s from a journalist's perspective i'm not sure you would want this court to visit it now. in any event you have a whole

series of contradictory rulings building up. that's another reason why it would be useful to pull the plug on this case. if this fourth circuit decision goes all the way up to the funnel panel you have the potential of embedding its really quite radical views compared to the rest of the circuits into the mix. >> how is it radical compared to a divided group of circuits? >> basically, if you ask a court, does a journalist have a right to shield sources in a criminal case involving national security? there's a couple ways the court could answer. one would be let's look at the specifics of this case. what's the balance of interests here. should we do it now or not. a very pragmatic view. or you could take a very broad rights view and say, journalists never have a right to resist subpoenas, and that's kind of where this circuit came down. >> can you take the opposite point of view, it's not up to the journalist it's up to the guy that signed the oath not to leak classified information that 100% of the effort should be

focused on government officials. >> that would lead to a decision to leave journalists out of it. what's unique about this case, the government has taken the view they can't prosecute the leaker without ricin's testimony. normally the guidelines are if you can make the case without the journalist go ahead. in this case they would say the prosecution would collapse. >> for the viewers watching who are not journalists or in the media, what's at stake here? >> well, essentially whether you believe that unfettered activity by journalists working on national security issues, without fear of having to betray their sources or to essentially become witnesses in criminal cases on a routine bases, which is essentially what was building in the first obama term, whether you think that's good for the public. do you want this kind of debate generated by journalism or do you want to suppress it? >> holder is boxed in here, but what kind of precedent would there be for the justice department to withdraw that subpoena? >> well, you know, presidents and attorneys general do change

their mind. this president changed his mind about gay marriage, for example, and took a whole series of different positions before courts as a result of that new decision. here, there could be ways, face-saving ways to settle the case and not have to actually withdraw the subpoena and reverse judgment, but i actually think that the administration has reversed its judgment. the guidelines that the attorney general issued are important. they're new. he should call attention to them by living up to them, even though they contradict decisions that have been made earlier. >> dean coll, thank you so much. >> we're going to be up at your place. >> we look forward to coming to columbia. >> we're going to welcome you in october. >> speaking of journalism we have a special guest coming up next. >> a special guest. >> okay. are we going to do this? >> yes, we're going to do it. he's in the news, yes. donald trump was called in and he wants to talk. it's persecution. they are persecuting the abraham

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♪ real estate mogul and "celebrity apprentice" star donald trump is being sued for $40 million. what's going on, you're accused of engaging in illegal business

practices tied to trump university which promised to make its students rich. the attorney general, i saw you tweeting this, the attorney general hangs out with the president one day and the next he sues you. what's going on here, donald? >> our attorney general in new york is named eric schneiderman. he's got an approval rating of about 4%. he brought a lawsuit. with all the school s that do business, he brought a lawsuit. now, you've been in government a long time. when did you ever hear of an agency bringing a lawsuit on saturday? saturday at 1:00, he meets with the president in syracuse. on thursday in the evening. i'm sure that's just a coincidence. maybe it's a mini-irs. we had a great school and could potentially again have a great school. we were really doing well. we had a 98%.

you can go to the wharton school of finance where i went or harvard or any of the schools and they don't have a 98% approval rating. we gave that information. they don't mention that of course in the lawsuit. this is just a political hack that wants to get publicity who interestingly because yours is a political show have been asking us for campaign contributions during the investigation. >> you're just suggesting this is nothing but a cheap pr stunt by the aeg? >> he wants something and how could he get publicity better than from suing donald troump? interestingly, he told evan ka, who you both know very well, he said, don't worry about this case, we don't have a case, it's going away. he said that in front of evan ka and her husband. we were really surprised by it. this case was for years -- two years or more they've been looking at this. with all the schools you turn on television at night and you see

schools where they're standing with a beautiful woman, a yacht and a martini. >> i graduated from that school. >> i know, i know. but they're not under investigation, trump is. interestingly, if people listen to me, as you know very well, i was one of the best at predicting the housing market. and if they listened, frankly, they did very well. think of it, a 98% approval rating and we get proved. >> mr. trump, brian schachtman here. i just was curious. i didn't know anything about the school. what did it do? >> it taught courses primarily on real estate. i'm pretty good at real estate. and had a wonderful following and really was doing well. employed a lot of people. and i did it to help people. and frankly, the profitses would have gone -- the profits would have gone to charity. and, you know, we end up getting sued. i think it's very, very sad. >> what happened to the school though, quickly? >> what we did is we closed it temporarily until we get this

worked out because, you know, we have to get the approvals. and we closed the school. it's ready to go and ready to open. people want it to open. we have many, many people that will testify. they wanted to settle the case. they would have settled it for a relatively small amount of money and i said no. he actually said to somebody, trump will settle because he's not going to want this kind of publicity. i don't care about bad publicity. >> just out of -- does the school grant degrees? >> no, it grants knowledge. you learn about different things and you learn in particular about real estate. and people are very happy with it. and people have done very well with it. i've had a lot of people on twitter say they've made a lot of money because of the school. they really did well. we're going to have a lot of people testify. they wanted to settle the case. i don't want to settle the case. i want the case to go to court. we have a great case. it was horribly drawn.

probably very quickly drawn. maybe it was because of obama, i don't know, you people are going to have to check that toout. >> that sounds crazy. >> donald, thank you. if the school -- donald, it's nice to talk to you. >> how you doing, donald? >> i'm doing well. >> how's the family? >> the family is great. she's so generous and nice when i meet her, but on the show, she's very dismissive, but that's okay. >> she's not -- >> i haven't said a word. >> she hasn't said a word -- >> no, no, no, she did, in the introduction. you check it. but that's okay. i still like mika. >> i introduced. >> but she's a different person on the show than she is off the show and, you know what, that can be said about a lot of people. >> she sort of plays -- people don't know how nice she is off the show. >> okay. >> so donald, anyway, but she hasn't said a word. >> you should be -- if the school gets up and run, you should be a professor there because you grant knowledge every day. >> can i be a professor?

>> you can be a professor anywhere you want, joe. >> because i got the degree with the yacht and the martini. >> you do have knowledge, there's no question about that. >> right there, donald, right there. say hi to everybody. thanks for calling in. one of these days -- he's got this amazing -- i saw this on the golf channel one time. donald's got this amazing golf course in scotland. >> got good reviews. >> richard, you and i need to, like, get a row boat and go over there. could richard and i play on your course sometime? >> you certainly could. i've seen richard play, he's getting better and better all the time. the scotland course has been amazing. it's been incredible. it's gotten, as you know, phenomenal reviews. >> donald, how am i at golf? >> well, you hit one shot that was amazing. it hit the water, hit something else, ended up ten feet -- a shot i will not soon forget. >> it was like putt putt. you go into donald's home, he's

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welcome to "morning joe." we have richard haass, author of "foreign policy begins at home." >> t.j. wants to know what you think. >> yeah. white house correspondent for bloomberg news, julianna goldman. >> sam stein around the table -- >> way to start. >> we're blurring the lines already. >> exactly. >> and in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> who was actually going to be there but not old enough yet. next year, sam stein will be -- >> i wouldn't make a joke of it actually. i think that was really, really disturbing. that young lady who is 20 is obviously deeply troubled, deeply disturbed, clearly has confidence issues, probably an eating disorder, and i don't think anybody should have put her up on stage. that was disgusting. >> i've been around the track a few times. i'm an old guy, right. i got two older boys.

>> yeah, they don't think that's attractive, miley. >> so anyway -- >> nobody does actually. >> if i could finish what i was going to say. >> sorry. well, the point you're going to make is exactly what i just said. that was not attractive. that was not fun. that was not funny. that was really, really bad for anybody who's younger and impressionable. and she's really messed up. so i don't think -- >> of course she's messed up. >> they should be ashamed themselves. >> the problem is, i remember -- i was talking about this last week. when of course the kids always want to know what i think about performers on these type award shows. and ashton kutcher, you know, exactly, sam, you're laughing because you know it's true. whenever sam goes into the pin ball arcade, they go, what does joe think about -- right? >> yeah. >> willie and i sometimes -- you know, we're pin ball wizards. so i was talking about this ashton kutcher thing being a great pushback of the bring tt

ification of american culture. britney spears got it. she came out, she slithered on the floor at the vma awards. >> she had that big snake. >> i'm a grown guy, okay, didn't shock me, but you know what, i had, like, a 9-year-old boy and a 6-year-old boy that were there to watch, like, n sync or the backstreet boys or something like that. and that's the real disgrace about this. mtv knows the people watching these shows are tweeners. the sexualization for preteen girls, and you're going to see it, i'm going to see it. the sexualization. it had a horrible impact. not to go on too long here. but when my boys were in middle school, i cannot tell you the shocking things that middle

schoolgi schoolgirls talked about doing, described doing, having clubs doing, they had bracelets. i mean, it was one crisis after -- why? because they saw this on tv all the time. so ashton kutcher, we can show a clip of this later on, it was a great, great talk, and then you have something like this last night. where, again, come on, we're all grown-ups. we've all seen a lot worse. but it's our kids that are watching it. >> the whole thing was cringe worthy. but i also feel bad for her. she is a mess. someone needs to take care of her. someone needs not to put her on stage and have her make a complete fool of herself. and you were saying about the age -- >> wait, do i want to see her? t.j., stop. come on. t.j. keeps asking if i want to see it again. >> no, that's okay, we're done. this is actually where we're not going to talk about something in a negative way to actually show it. we're actually not going to show it. i don't want to see that ever again on this show. >> you know what happens with

these performers, whether it's her, britney, they're disney kids and then they go to overcorrect to make this statement at a big event. like, i'm not the little girl anymore, i'm grown up. but that was such an overcorrection. the guy she was on stage with, robin thicke, i think he's 36 years old. you're wondering, what is he doing out there simulating sex with a 20-year-old girl in her underwear? it really was over the top. >> what is this beyonce thing? >> oh, my gosh, okay. no the whole thing is bad. >> sam stein, you're laughing. but, like, you're 20 years old. you wouldn't want a 36-year-old madonna simulating sex with you on "morning joe." >> look at will simpson's family. >> i'm just surprised because we have richard haass here. he's like a longtime expert on this type of thing. we brought him on to discuss this. actually, richard has daughters. i'm sure you have an opinion. >> can we go back and look at will smith's family again?

that's a great shot. >> that's it right there. that's really what it looked like to people. >> it was desperate. >> it was pathetic. desperate. sick. she's clearly disturbed. that she needs to do that. >> it is the coarsening of america. >> if i can just be very honest after having studied this for a lot of reasons, she doesn't look healthy. so -- all right, let's get to major foreign policy news. the government in syria has agreed to allow u.n. inspectors to survey the scene of an alleged chemical attack. the inspectors headed out to the site earlier this morning. but u.s. officials called the move, quote, too late to be credible. this morning, there are reports at least two mortars fell near the hotel of the u.n. representatives. there is doubt about whether inspectors will find at the scene where 355 people were believed to have been killed. in large part because of continued heavy shelling in the area. on saturday, president obama reviewed a range of options and possible targets with his national security team. the u.s. has already four

destroyers nearby in the mediterranean sea. two within missile range. now members of congress are comparing the situation to kosovo. calling for strikes using cruise missiles. >> i think we have to respond. i think we have to respond in connection with our nato allies. we have to respond much i think as was done in libya with the nato allies. i think that we cannot afford to sit back and wait. >> president assad said failure awaits the united states if it attacks. comparing a conflict with syria to vietnam. >> well, i don't know. we could just kill you actually. and it really wouldn't be hard to find you and kill you so -- >> there is that. >> i don't think it's going to take us -- >> here's reuters. showing tepid support for action here at home. if president assad did indeed use chemical weapons, only 25% of americans would want the u.s. to intercede.

that's down just five pint poi from two weeks ago. writes in "the wall street journal," it takes a barbarian to epploy poisoned gas. muse lynn that, hitler and saddam hussein were three such. yet the chinese and russians continue to excuse and defend him. and the white house ties itself into rhetorical knots in order to avoid having to topple him. president obama, who talks endlessly of the importance of civilized values, must now uphold this one. >> richard haass, first of all, assad does sound an awful lot like a former panamanian dictator. remember, he had his machete. about three weeks later, he's locked up, a miami jail cell. so things are difficult for the president. nobody wants boots on the ground. nobody wants war. but you know what, that doesn't mean he sits back and says we

can't do anything. i just wonder if what we're seeing here is the end result of a president saying, you know, we can't really do anything in egypt. you know, we really can't do anything in syria. you know, we really can't do anything in most places across the world. there is a middle ground between letting the world know that you are completely feckless and weak and don't have the courage to do anything. and sending 100,000 troops in to invade a country. >> exactly right. first of all, he does need to do something here. you can't allow someone to use a weapon of mass destruction, chemical weapons, and get away with it. it sends a terrible message to the world that these weapons are somehow normal. you've got to underscore the taboo against it. when you issue a red line, you reinforce it. it raises questions about your credibility. >> by the way, just for the record, you know this, but just for people at home that may not know this, first of all, he said

assad must go. that was before 100,000 people were slaughtered. so the president makes a declarati declaration. 100,000 people are slaughtered. then he said they can't cross a red line. he's already crossed a red line once. so the president sends what signal to assad? >> not just to assad. to the rest of the world. also, what the poll miss, there's a difference between responding to syria's use of chemicals and getting drawn into another quagmire. there is an intermediate ground. for example, you talked about the ships off shore. we can use cruise missiles without in any way putting american pilots in danger. we can launch what's called a punitive strike against casyria. chemical weapons related sites. command and control targets. militarily valuable targets. without putting ourselves in the position of becoming a protagonist in an open-ended syrian civil war. the president does have intermediate options here which send a message that we need to

send without getting the united states dragged into something that so far, at least i would argue, we've been somewhat wise to avoid. >> there are, i guess, few optionings that are not complicated, jewulianna. >> this is decision week for the white house. vis-a-vis syria, probably egypt also when it comes to aid. the kinds of options are in line with the middle ground that you're talking about. which is targeted attacks at the chemical weapons facilities. what they're saying is this is not going to be a libya-style operation. it's going to be much more small scale than that. and it's not going to be going after assad. they're not putting boots on the ground. they're not considering a no-fly zone. >> oh, my goodness, okay. i didn't have anything to say before but maybe this time will have something to say. >> you'll have something to say. >> even his lawyers have

something to say. >> okay. >> they're saying, we just did what we did. >> so what happened? >> he visited a florida gun factory. >> well that seem, lis like a ry good pr move. >> it gets so -- every sense gets worse. he was reported in in search of a new shotgun. yep, that's him. tmz photographing him, george zimmerman, at the factory. which as it turns out is the same company that makes the weapon that zimmerman used the night trayvon martin was killed. really? >> that's unbelievable. >> i know. i'll be careful. the controversial decision to visit the factory was criticized by zimmerman's legal team. which said, in part, quote, we certainly would not have advised him to go to the factory that made the gun that was used to shoot trayvon martin through the heart. we got the verdict that we believe is just, and the rest of

george's life is up to george. yeah. >> wow. >> so sam stein -- >> doesn't sound like they completely -- >> some distance there. talk about some distancing. the picture of him -- >> they don't believe in him. >> i think it's the owner's son. he goes there gripping and grinning and smiling. i can't believe how much his own defense team is distancing themselves from him. >> can you believe that quote? >> stunning statement. it's so galling. to be, like, grinning and smiling about it and obviously flaunting the fact that he's there. the timing of it also is a bit obnoxious too. this march on washington was this weekend. the 50th anniversary. i was down there. the trayvon martin case was so omnipresent throughout the whole thing. it was brought up by multiple speakings. it was, you know, discussed in the crowd. it still is an open wound.

like a very open wound. then for this to pop up and -- it's just -- it's insulting. >> what are the parents thinking, of trayvon martin? >> it's sickening. it looks like the kind of picture you see in restaurants or a store where you have a celebrity who's there shaking your hand, somebody who visits there, something to brag about. >> celebrating something. i don't know what, but that statement by the attorney, willie -- >> strong. >> it said something, that's for sure. >> whether or not you think george zimmerman got away with murder, and a lot of people do -- >> sounds like his attorneys think he did. >> you still took the life, however it happened, of a young kid with that gun. >> what i want -- show picture again. what i don't understand is, there's a certain faction of american political system that has embraced george zimmerman as a hero. i said from day one it was going

to be hard during the trial to convict this man. that doesn't mean that many on the far right need to embrace this man, whose own lawyers are now running away from him. not only isn't he a hero, he is a man who recklessly went in, was told wby the coulps to stay away. he disobeyed the cops orders and he kept chasing this guy. if you want to quibble about the last seconds, that's fine, quibble about it. this is not a man that republicans should embrace as a hero. he is anything but a hero. >> interesting in the american legal system there's a difference between innocent and not guilty. he may have been found not guilty. that does not mean he was, quote/unquote, innocent. he's been called the pied piper of print.

will entrepreneur aaron kucher in's bet on the print industry pay off? and the declining middle class. why technology and the government may be to blame author tim noah joins us to explain. and the forecast. it keeps coming back like a tick. >> like a virus. like a fungus. lyme's disease from being around him. >> kinder than normal for a monday from you two. welcome back. as far as the forecast goes, last night in southern portions of the gulf of mexico, tropical storm fired up and went into the veracruz area. raining hard in coastal areas of mexico. but did not become a hurricane. we're state waiting for the first hurricane of the season. it's about a month late at this point compare to average. the big story out west, the rim fire. california just a crazy big fire. one of the biggest in their state's history. growth potential's extreme. almost 3,000 firefighters on the ground. the very remote section of

yosemite national park fighting that blaze. i wish them luck. very didfficult. it's extremely hot in the middle of the country. 96 in minneapolis. record high. chance to hit 100 today. extreme heat warning in effect. it's also kind of humid. the end of summer continues with this heat wave right through the midsection. new england will get some bouts of storms this week. all week long, we're going to be extremely warm from texas to minneapolis. not bad today, areas like d.c. and atlanta where you remain just about average. washington, d.c., not bad today. we'll call it 85. mixture of sun and clouds. not bad for a monday. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. usua l please. usua thank you very much. ok guys, i'm back. i need a template of a template. oh my gosh. i've never even seen this record, i've only read about it in books.

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23 past the hour. look at that. times square is buzzing on this monday morning. did ya'll have a good vacation? yeah? anybody have one? >> you did last week. >> i did. >> how was it? >> it was good. i was in your neck of the woods. >> which neck, which woods? >> i went to provincetown, massachusetts, for a wedding. great out there. >> i thought you were going to say pensacola. >> metal detector on the beach. >> i've been there, beautiful pink sand beaches. >> thomas roberts is here. >> hi, everybody. is this my miley cyrus segment? >> miley cyrus coming up next. >> you don't disagree with me, do you? >> it's from the disney playbook. we've seen this before. lindsay, christina, britney.

>> it turned out so well for those young girls. how technology wrecks the middle class. the "new york times" looks at the jobs crisis asking if we have mechanized and computerized ourselves into obsolescence. such a great question. author of "the great divergence, america's inequality crisis," tim noah. brian schachtman, thomas roberts. sam stein from washington. tim, great to have you on the show. what do you mean about obsolescence? >> this is a piece in "the new york times" by one of the leading economists, looking at the problem of income inequality. he's been studying this problem for many years. he finds that computers tend to eliminate what he calls middle skilled jobs. they don't go after high-paying jobs so much. they don't go after low-paying jobs so much. but they really go after those

middle skill jobs. like airline clerk or bank teller. jobs that are kind of clerical, that sort of involve a lot of repetiti repetition. as a consequence, that is really pinching the middle class. >> we have parties on both sides for years blaming the other side. for the economy dwindling. for a lot of these job losses that have been happening now for 10, 20 years. part of it is just an adjustment, is it not, the revolution? >> absolutely. but it's a worldwide -- it's a worldwide change. the japanese have a term for it. kudoka, which means hollowing out. one of the points in my book is it's worst in the united states than it is in comparable countries that are facing precisely the same technological challenge. we seem to be handling it worse here in the united states. >> why is that? >> we, i think it's mostly government policy. things like the minimum wage. our minimum wage hasn't gone up

for a long time. our government is pretty hostile towards unions. we don't have a good early education program. you know, there are all sorts of government programs that in other countries focus more on the needs of the middle class and on creating greater income equality. >> joe, one major problem here we have the second biggest economic shock in a century. basically companies realize they could be more efficient with fewer people and whole process exacerbated the united states because we had this huge swell of people that went into unemployment without the skills to get the jobs they could get. so they lost their job per se as an auto mechanic but they have no skills to be the i.t. guy. we would have had this problem anyway. but this is a bigger problem because of all the millions of people who lost their jobs between '05 and '11. >> it's also a generational problem. you can go back to 1992, 1993. if we had the say technology today that we had back in '92,

25 million more people would have jobs in manufacturing than they do. it's just technology, we've got a lot of pluses with technology but there is a hollowing out here and across the globe. >> tim, where do the opportunities be reborn? where can we look at where opportunities are for the middle class and for growth? because we live in a society, you know, in america we're encouraged to go to college, we're encouraging to seek a higher education that's going to have a bigger paycheck. but isn't there an opportunity for growth out of technology? >> also adding to that question, it's not just the young people who may be more adept at trying to find new opportunities within this, but it's the people who are being left out who are in the middle class, who have certain skills. what's the hope for them? >> right. the blessing of technology is increases productivity and makes us all richer it.

problem is, it seems to be going consistently after those middle skilled jobs. one thing we could do is boost our support for community colleges. some of the middle skill jobs that are not going away are jobs where you could have a high school degree and maybe six months to a year of training at a community college and you can be, for example, a phlebomotist, some kind of medical technician. so that is one answer. but i think we need to look at these problems across the board. something our government needs to focus on. we need to focus more on fed policies that support more employment. as ben bernanke has been doing. we need to raise the minimum wage. we need to make college more affordable. as president obama's been talking about recently. there's a whole host of issues. we also need a government that is less hostile towards labor unions which provide key support for people in those middle

income professions. >> all right, tim, thank you so much, greatly appreciate it. tim noah. this thursday, "morning joe," way too early, live from detroit, broadcasting from the floor of the ford auto plant. you know, br brian, a lot of it also, got to grow the economy. got to grow the economy back to where it was pre2000. and too often we look at the government for solutions to fix this problem, and i wish it were that simple. the rich are getting richer it the poor are getting poorer. in part because of this i.t. revolution. we've gutted out a middle class. we've gone up to ford. they're a success story but there's not a lot of them. >> this balance between automation and humanity. we were out there. it's amazing to see peep wople might have taken those jobs for

granted ten years ago are absolutely thrilled to have a job with benefits. the truth is, i don't know how we can go at a rate that people who lost those jobs will get them back. we may have to cycle through a generation here and have high jobless rates for a while till a generation is -- >> one thing with the obama administration that they deserve credit for is the fact that the president has heralded community college. >> he heralded it in the campaign of '08 but i don't know it's made a difference -- >> the president goes to community colleges around the country and promotes them to the fact that they aren't stigmatized as so many of us grew up. i remember thinking, i don't want to go to community college, that's bad, that's not going to get me the six figure job that i want. >> you know what it does though -- >> it's not stigmatized with the president -- >> trump university. >> oh, i knew it. >> community colleges and trump university. let's push those two things. >> i want to be educated on the whole disney thing. i don't understand how you could

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government is going to become more corrupt if these changes continue and newspapers, printed newspaper, wither on the vine. will it not cause a real problem for this country? >> but here's -- it's not an issue of whether it's delivered in news print or on the internet. the question is, the quality of the information and tina's right, it's expensive. are you willing to spend the money? >> well, one man who is willing to spend the money and bet big on print in a time when things are all going digital, ceo of freedom commune cases and publisher of orange county register, aaron kushner. larging a newspaper in long beach, california. "the long beach register." its inaugural issue. aaron joins us now. >> would you like to just give me cash because let's cut out the middle man.

>> do you like money, aaron? you don't like money. >> you don't have to deal with reporters. just give me the cash. why are you doing this? >> we believe that the seventh largest city in california should have a newspaper of the kind that we create. and we happen to believe that building community can, over the long run, be profitable. we believe newspapers really matter. and in orange county i think have proven that and now hope to do so -- >> what's the model that's proven it to be popular? >> as you look at your star wuks coffee, if every week it was a smaller cup with a little less coffee in it, would you pay more or less? you'd pay less. if instead i give you every week you come in a little bit more coffee and a little bit bigger cup, over typime, you'll pay mo for it. that's the simple model. >> we've been seeing something in newspapers over the past ten years, a lot of owned by national corporations. they're supposed to turn huge profits. when they don't, they start firing people.

they start having less reporters. less investigations. and pretty soon, you know, the newspaper in my hometown, you pick it up, it is so much thinner than it was ten years ago. >> right. >> so it seems like they're working their way toward extinct. >> our monday paper is seven sections between 75 and 85 pages. of great inspirational engaging intelligent reporting. and we believe it's worth, in our case, a dollar a day. if orange county believes so as well, we make healthy money. >> sam stein of the huffington post. >> we've got a guy would can do teen beat for you. >> i just want to do know -- part of the problem with local newspapers is they don't -- or haven't been producing news that people find interesting enough. i'm wondering what kind of reporting you're encouraging. are you going to be doing investigative work? how do you get people to care about local issues? >> we do a tremendous amount of

investigative reporting. we have doubled that staff. we talk about important issues like pensions and city governance. we also talk about things that matter in the lives of our actual orange county residents. we have a dedicated section on sunday's just to varsity music and arts. if you're in high school or have a kid in high school, you care a lot about what we do at the orange county register. >> local matters. that's another thing too. local -- >> how's this going to make money? >> you made your fortune, though, in dotcom, correct? >> i'm certainly no billionaire like jeff. >> you do something mission driven, entra tra mentrepreneur >> you show up in a suit, i like this guy. double breasted suits are coming back. that is what i like to see. what's old is new again. especially with papers. >> yeah, and me.

>> but intensely local is the way to go, i mean, not writing about duffy boats in orange county. >> we also added a bureau if washington, d.c. the reason we added a bureau in washington, d.c., i think we maybe the first one in who knows how long to to that, is because we believe that our congress people who are in d.c. are doing things that are really important. darrell issa is from orange county. there are a lot of issues in d.c. that affect what happen in orange county and we want to report on them. i think in terms of how we make money, the good old-fashioned way. we charge subscriber, a reasonable rate. advertising both print and digitally happens to work very well. we build our base. >> if it's a national -- you can pick up national news on the internet. i can tell you, growing up, playing sports, my family, we had -- three of us played sports. you'd tear through the paper and you'd look at the little kid's box scores and everything else. >> looking for people you know too. >> sure, exactly.

local sells, man. >> is the orange county register making money? >> it is, has been. and will continue. >> are you investing in investigative reporting? >> we are. we've added 300 people to the newsroom. >> that's amazing. >> weem hired a lot of people. we did so not because -- some people would say you're crazy but no, the reality is wehen i put more coffee in your coffee cup -- >> these 300 people, do you pay them? >> we do indeed pay them. >> that's amazing. this is great news. this is like the north dakota oil story of newspaper. >> you think people are going to pay the dollar, get the physical paper and the business plan is focused more on that than the digital side? >> it's got to have a website too launching in september. >> i understand investing in the digital side too but a primary component is the survival and thriving of this part of it,

correct? >> yes physical. you're never going to cut out a picture of your daughter from your ipad and put it on your refrigerator. neither are you going to when your grandmother, if she happens to pass away, what matters more emotionally, whether it's in print or that you read it on a website? how do you know what's real, right? at the end of the day, we have huge printing presses and the editorial function of deciding what's on the front page or what's in this news hour really matters a lot. >> let's do six month updates. fascinated. aaron kushner, thank you. from aaron kushner to ashton kutcher. up next, the movie star used the spotlight to talk about the value of hard work while miley cyrus humped the air or whatever else she was doing. >> compare and contrast. >> it's disgusting. >> she doesn't even know what it means.

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oversexualize this dance which shouldn't have been on mtv, sorry. >> you're talking about the disney thing. you brought up lindsay lohan, britney spears, christina aguilera. i think christina came out on the other side. >> she's a real talent. is miley cyrus is a talent or just being used? >> you've got britney spears. you also have lindsay lohan. some really sad stories. some problems. >> as a 20-year-old, you have to think she's complicit in her own career choice. >> we're complicit every time -- >> it's not us, we're all grown. we've all seen a lot worse. it's that mtv, their target audience, are 9, 10, 11, 12, 13-year-old little girls and boys. it's just -- it's really problematic. this is a message last week or so that was sent out. >> i'm glad you brought this up. >> i was surprised that ashton kutcher, what award?

>> teen choice awards. >> the surf boards. >> right. now, kids have been bombarded, i call it the britneyization, britneyification of america. my kids, older boys, were like 7 or 9 when she came out on stage wearing that, slithering with a snake. i'm like, seriously? just let the backstreet boys dance around and be done with it. this was ashton kutcher for something as they say on rocky and bullwinkle entirely different. >> i believe that opportunity looks a lot like hard work. the sexiest thing in the entire world is being really smart. life can be a lot broader than that when you realize one simple thing. and that is that everything around us that we call life was made up by people that are no smarter than you.

and you can build your own things. you can build your own life that other people can live in. so build a life. don't live one. build one. find your opportunities. and always be sexy. i love you guys. >> and he also said what we always talked about to our daughter, not of the sexy part, but we say, hey, nothing's more important than being kind to other people. >> you can tell he's talking from experience there. >> being smart and being kind. >> it's about independence, too. seeing what you see on mtv and saying, oh, i should do that. it's about making your own path. doing it your way. not thinking your way is to copy somebody else's way that may not be appropriate for you. >> yeah. what were you saying? >> i mean, am i just a moral scold here? or did everybody look at this differently? >> i don't look at it as that's art but i think that's pretty

see-through of a young woman who's trying to transfer into an adult. >> that's a woman trying to transfer into an adult? >> i think trying to break through the shackles of the hanna montana stuff. as an adult mom of two young girls, you're seeing her through a different lens. >> exactly. >> no, through a lens of a mother of teenagers. i see the landscape they face out there. >> she's trying so hard to be looked at as a woman and it's also off-putting it's on national tv with all these tweens watching. >> with a 37-year-old apparently engaged man simulating -- i mean, come on, guys. >> it's done everything it was intended to do which is to get all this buzz and all this attention. >> the problem is with mtv and others like mtv that, again, and i've seen it with my two older boys and what happened to the girls they went to school with. i'm seeing it with my girl right now. i'm sure you saw it with your girl. these kids are being exposed to

things that are really a sexualization that girls 9, 10, 11, 12, looking at this, it's, it's not good. >> people making money on that ought to look in the mirror. cnbc's brian sullivan. >> we are worried about our daughters. what's going on? >> well, i tell you, i was listening to the conversation. i've got a 9-year-old cadaughte. thank god for the block button on comcast. a code only i know. i'm not trying to be old-fashioned. but i hear what you guys are saying. as a dad, it's tough. the business, durable goods orders, big ticket stuff designed to last more than three years, came in terrible, biggest drop since august of -- maybe a bad thing for manufacturing. although it's mixed because so many people are buying homes and cars. my question is do you have any money left over for anything else? because you're saving for bigger ticket items. >> but people are buying home.

the housing market and the car market going up? >> the housing market is so hot in some areas that there's a big article this morning on tmz.com that perhaps we're getting into bubbleicious territory in some markets. listen, some markets. of course all real estate's local. auto sales have been hot. average age of the car on the road is 11 years. people get sick of fixing them. watch durable goods numbers. that's going to be key. i want to give a shoutout to murial see better. the first woman to own a seat in the new york stock exchange. took another ten years for the next woman to become a seat member. she fought the big boys. mickey sebert. she fought and scrapped. she was a board member. she was amazing. she passed away. hopefully they'll do something for her today because she was literally a trail blazer. >> cnbc's brian sullivan, thank you. >> that's great to hear about choosing on his own to block the

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