we asked you what would you change in the sporting history if you could. we have some answers. natalie. >> chris says the drive signed all of cleveland. >> that's said, game seven, 200 world series. yankees win and complete the feel-good story. >> post-9/11 would have been nice. the '07 super bowl, the tyree catch keeps a lot of my friends up a the night. perfect season gone. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> good morning. it is tuesday, august 27th. welcome to "morning joe," everybody. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. hello, mike. former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean is with us. on the set. and in washington, pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene

robinson along with willie, joe and me. >> how are you? >> not good. >> why are you not good? >> i never saw it coming. >> what? >> i mean, seriously i feel like tony soprano at the end of "the sopranos." you never see it coming, never know where it's going to come from. >> what are you talking about? >> bobby rigs. who would have guessed, mike barnicle, that bobby rigs would have been in debt to the mob. and threw the match. threw the match. bobby rigs. >> who knows if this is true. >> what's left? >> what is left? if bobby rigs was bought -- espn reporting that the match of the century, battle of the sexes, this was -- this was like -- norman lear in the age of norman lear and billie jean king beating bobby rigs and now we find out, mike barnicle -- >> there's nothing --

>> rigs had a lot of debt and -- i hear gene robinson laughing. bobby looks like he would have been in debt to the mob. >> i know. joe, i mean it's -- this is actually a perfect story. this is unfortunately ancient history for many of our viewers. anybody that remembers this, knows that bobby rigs -- he seemed like such a sleaze bag anyhow. >> don't speak that way. >> no! >> no! >> you can't speak that way. show a picture of him. this was at one time somebody's baby boy. but anyway, this was actually -- you know, mika, you were probably too young, but america stopped, actually. >> absolutely. >> america stopped and it was -- there was something shocking about a man playing a woman in tennis. >> a man getting his butt kicked. >> well because -- >> yeah. >> joe -- >> paid off. by the way -- >> time to move on --

>> we should have seen this. >> the last gasp of the republican party, right? >> should have seen this a mile away. >> the republican party? >> they don't like women, right? >> it was rigs. >> the only guy -- the only way they could beat a man was if he threw the match, right? >> joe, you're missing a wild -- >> i'm hearing it, but, howard, proves once and for all, the hate mail on twitter today is a marxist because everything, absolutely everything, goes back to politics for marxists. all right. there we go. >> joe calls howard marksesist on -- >> don't -- marxist, everything goes back to politics. >> i don't know no. >> i'm not talking about your ideology but the tennis match and you bring it back to republicans. >> miley cyrus. >> come on. >> you got hammered. >> i did get hammered. i don't understand. i really don't. >> a lot of people that have restless tongue syndrome, i guess.

did you see that -- >> that's funny. >> i heard about it. >> david letterman had a restless -- >> oh, my gosh. seriously, she just looked pathetic and that thicke guy -- >> is a mess and not a very nice person at all. in fact, he should be ashamed of himself. >> exactly. >> i'll keep my mouth shut. >> news. we'll go to news. >> "financial times," kerry says no doubt they have weapons and same thing "wall street journal," front pages of all the papers, mika. >> yeah. >> all talking about secretary of state john kerry citing clear evidence and now, of course, what comes next, barack obama is now moving closer to military strike. "boston globe" also talking about a coming military strike. it looks like it's probably going to happen. let's get to news. >> top u.s. officials now say chemical weapons were used in da

masses cas and the president is considering a limited military strike on select targets inside the country. yesterday u.n. inspectors visited the site of the attacks and though low expectations for what their probe will uncover, secretary of state john kerry says there is little doubt as to what happened there. >> what we saw in syria last week should shock the contents of the world. p it defies any code of more reality. let me be clear. the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. the reported number of victims the reported symptoms of those who were killed or injured, the firsthand accounts from humanitarian organizations, these all strongly indicate that everything these images are already screaming at us, is real that chemical weapons were used in syria. >> the question now is what

comes next. at least two destroyers and a submarine armed with cruise missiles are already in striking range of syrian military targets. however, direct attacks on chemical weapons have been ruled too dangerous to the civilian population. strikes on president bashar al assad himself have been ruled out. any action will likely be without u.n. backing with russia blocking any support. some congressional leaders including speaker john boehner want the president to consult congress before taking action and many on both sides of the aisle are opposed to any military action altogether saying syria is too far gone to take sides. let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim mcla shef ski. i guess at this point what are the military options being weighed? >> officially president obama has not yet given the order to launch those attacks, but i can tell you that officials here at the pentagon are operating as if this is, in fact, a done deal.

and they expect attacks as early as perhaps the end of this week or early next week. there are actually, mika, four guided missile destroyers in the mediterranean, all within easy range of all the targets that they would want to hit inside syria. and each one of those guided missile cruisers has 56 of these tomahawk missiles with a range of 1500 miles and a thousand pound warhead and a gps locater that can not only take the missile to a building, but pick the window in which to hit. >> so what we're hearing, that assad is not a target, why would assad not be a target, jim? >> this is a very fine line that the obama administration and the u.s. military have to walk. they want to hit assad hard enough to send him a message not to rely or use chemical weapons again, but the last thing they want to do is topple the assad

regime and leave this power vacuum there in syria because there's still huge concern about the militant rebel forces. there's still no -- there's still no indication that there's a moderate cohesive element within that rebel group that could take control of syria and, in fact, u.s. intelligence tells us, that more than 50% of the rebels there in syria are either hard core al qaeda, al nusra or linked directly to the al qaeda elements. so the last thing they want is al qaeda taking some kind of command over large portions of syria. >> hey, mick, it's willie. i understand what the secretary of state and the white house has said, the world community cannot tolerate the use of chemical weapons, but if you just go after the chemical weapons sites the truth is the vast majority, almost all of the civilians killed allegedly by the assad

regime have not been killed by chemical weapons. if you take the chemical weaponsp away that doesn't reduce his capability to continue what he's been doing inside his own country. how do they walk that line in terms of yeah, you've gotten rid of one of the threats but haven't gotten rid of the larger problem of assad? >> that's exactly the point. what we're talking about is not necessarily dismantling the syrian military. and we're going back to the fact that a year ago, it was president obama who drew that red line, that if the syrians launched chemical weapons attacks, in any large scale or systemically, that was a red line that they would cross and the suggestion at the time from president obama was that the u.s. would respond. now among the targets we're not talking about hitting chemical weapon sites because, of course, that could spread the threat, but they're talking about delivery systems like rocket launchers, planes, artillery, but also some regime targets,

perhaps the defense ministry, interior ministry, but again, not -- not president assad's palace. they don't want to take him out. >> jim mcla shef ski, thank you very much. >> eugene you write this, the u.s. must act against assad and write in part history says don't do it. most americans say don't do it. but president obama has to punish syrian dictator bashar al asad's homicidal regime with a military strike and hope that history and the people are wrong. if it's true that the regime killed hundreds of civilians with nerve gas in damascus suburb blast week and secretary of state kerry said monday that the use of chemical weapons is undeniable, obama has no choice. such use cannot be tolerated in any government or group that employs chemical weapons must be made to suffer real consequences. it will be difficult to design a missile strike that hurts assad without drawing the united states into the war.

but that is the thin line the president must now walk. red line, thin line, gene, there are obviously ramifications around the world if we don't act. >> yeah. you know, i've been saying all along stay out of syria, stay out of syria. but i don't think there's a choice now. i just don't think that the world can just sit back and allow chemical weapons to be used in this way. for the simple reason that if one can get away with getting away with using chemicals weapons, they're not that hard to make, surely others will want to do the same. chemical weapons use cannot become the norm. it hasn't been. it's been -- it's been rare. and it needs to not happen again. i just, you know, very reluctantly, i think there has to be some sort of punitive strike, not a wading into the war, but he's got to pay for

this. >> howard dean, what do we do here? >> it's very hard and i've been thinking ate this four or five days. one of the interesting things, samantha power, is going to be influential in this position. she's written a book on genocide. not the same as kosovo because there are bad guys on both sides. i think at the end of the day if i were the president having dug himself into this business with the red line, you probably take out the syrian air force and then get out again. the analysis of the reporter is absolutely right. there are a lot of bad guys on both sides. no matter what happens, this is not going to be a good thing. the one thing we haven't talked about is iran. iran is in the background behind assad, iran is looking to expand their role in this regime. they're very dangerous country. they're an organized terror group and a big one. the whole government. and we really do need to figure out whatever we do, we cannot advantage iran which is what we did in the iraq war. iraq is a satellite of iran. >> obviously syria is a

satellite of iran and why they are of such a strategic importance. but mike, really quickly, what do you think? i mean, we've -- the red line has been crossed. we went into bosnia and kosovo for fewer deaths. samantha powers was talking about a problem from hell. no, that paled compared to what's happened to syria. samantha powers now there. over 100,000 deaths. chemical weapons being used. can she sit back and say nothing? can the u.n. ambassador really sit back and say nothing? can assad really get away with this? >> it's a nearly impossible situation for the president of the united states. you're talking ate the use of tomahawk missiles as punishment. as punishment. you know, certainly none of us would want to be saddled to that sort of decision but what is the end means if basically you're doing it because you to do something. that's basically what he's

doing. we have to do something. >> if we do absolutely nothing, after this man's killed 100,000 of his own people, after he's used chemical warfare, then please, please, don't come justify it the next time there's an area that's more politically -- that has oil. please don't. >> right. >> if the syrians had oil we would have been in there 95,000 deaths ago. >> so we have a bunch of other guests coming in to weigh in on this. we'll get back to it. other headlines as well. out of washington, congressional conservatives are increasingly coming under attack from groups who think they're not doing enough to dismantle obama care. a few radio ad targets arizona senator jeff blake. >> republicans in congress can stop obama care by simply refusing to fund it. senator jeff flake is nowhere to be found. jeff flake won't stand up to president obama and join conservatives in pledging to oppose funding for the implementation of obama care. what's his excuse? obama care is unaffordable, unworkable and unfair.

many could lose their doctors and others may be forced to pay higher premium. obama care is a job killer that will hurt arizona families yet jeff flake refuses to do what it takes to stop funding for this liberal train wreck. >> flake's response on twitter was brief. oh, whatever. >> senator flake has said he would oppose the law but has resisted taking extreme measures like threatening a government shutdown to defund the law. >> the guy is about as close to a libertarian as we have. >> this guy is a genuine conservative. >> he is such a -- a real conservative. >> and doesn't want to shut the government down because he's a responsible person. this is insanity, what's happening. >> the group behind the ad -- >> no. my party is pushing back on this. you've already tried to blame bobby rigs on my party. >> that was a low blow. >> this group that is going after people like jeff flake and

mitch mcconnell, you say, my party, guess what? something great is happening right now. >> yeah. >> these extremists are being shown to be the extremists and people are starting to stand up and say if you want to destroy your political chances for the next 50 years, if you want to try to get hillary clinton elected by shutting down the government and -- people off go ahead and do it. not in our party. we're starting to see the republican party flex its muscles and stand up to people who are no idea how to win elections. let's shut down the government. boy, that worked really well for us. p. >> all right. let's go to chicago now. students in chicago return to school, mayor rahm emanuel has rolled out a new fishtive to keep -- initiative to keep children safe the safe passage program. 1200 unarmed workers in neon vests were deployed to the streets with police to watch over students as they walked to school. even a helicopter circled above the affected areas. after closing 47 elementary

schools in parts of the city rampant with gang violence plans were implemented to provide students and parents with peace of mind. costs for this program doubled from last year to $15.7 million. the city also cleaned 2800 instances of graffiti, fixed street lights and on and on. >> the kids had to cross gang lines. what -- what is going on in chicago? what the hell is wrong with chicago? that these people can't fix? >> you know, it's a good question. i mean, we're kind of familiar, i guess, with the problems and maybe now the mayor is going to work toward granular solutions. safety is fundamental, right. you can't have a neighborhood, you can't have schools unless you have security and so programs like this, which, you know, in other communities they call like a walking school bus, where kids can get to and from school, you know, safely and

parents can be assured of that, that's a step. they talked about getting rid of the graffiti and just having a police presence on the streets. those are all steps that add up, one hopes, to a safer city eventually. >> mike, this looks like a story out of the '70s, '80s. cities have gotten safer. except chicago. people are moving back into cities. leaving the suburbs. except chicago. what is wrong with chicago? >> chicago is, obviously, the most critical aspect of what we're talking about. it's not just chicago. areas of los angeles, areas of every large city where gang colors are such that any kid is in potential danger walking to school wearing the wrong hat or whatever. chicago, though, it's a particular area, it's been going on for several years, and the sadness is, that they spend more money potentially on public safety, getting kids to and from school, and education is

secondary. it's let's get the kids to school safely, we don't know what's happening in schools in terms of education but get them there. >> murders are way down this year only because last year the number was so high. kindergartners getting helicopter escorts to school. think about that. it's stunning. so many of the schools closed they have to walk such great distances. >> one more story before we go to break. a follow-up to our conversation yesterday. a parents advocacy group says miley cyrus' performance was amounting to marketing sex to minors. >> was that sex? that looked uglier than sex to me. >> horrific. >> the parents television council says mtv manipulated the ratings to be appropriate for children under 14. the group says cyrus and lady gaga's performance were inappropriate for audience for which the show was approved. the group says mtv marketed adults only material to children while falsely manipulating the

content rating to make parents think the content was safe for their children. mtv continues to sexually exploit young women by promoting acts that incorporate twerking in a nude colored bikini. how is this image of a former child star miley cyrus appropriate for 14-year-olds? how is it appropriate for children to watch lady gaga strip down to a bikini in the opening act? how is it appropriate for 14-year-olds to see a condom commercial and promo for an r-rated movie for the first break. heads should roll at mtv. >> you know, mika, there was the mandatory sort of laugh s and snooers from people in the press from what you and others were saying along these lines, but it was so obvious what they were doing, it was all for shock value and listen, if you want to shock my 17, my 18, my 19-year-old boy, okay, fine.

but you know, the problem is, and it's what i said back a decade ago or whatever with my boys when it was brittney spears and her nude colored whatever, slithering around on the floor with a snake, if mtv targeted 16, 17, 18-year-olds, i've already had the talk with them and so have other parents. we're cool. the problem is, this isn't for 14-year-olds. i've seen it. the 14-year-old sees it and 11-year-old sister sees it and 10-year-old brother sees it and other friends around seeing it, i mean, mtv seriously it's disgraceful and they need to at least make it age appropriate. let parents know. >> i don't defend what mtv did because i agree with you, but it is the role of parents to sit their children down and say this is not how we behave -- >> there's a rating system. don't manipulate the rating system. >> i agree. >> and tell -- that's the thing. parents should know. this material is not suitable for children under 14.

>> parents should sit down and say this is ridiculous. >> not everybody has two parents in a living room. >> and i think there's a couple things going on here. first of all, i think that she's clearly an extremely disturbed young women. the people around her who are making money off of her are morally bankrupt if not worse. mtv should be ashamed of themselves and quite frankly all of us in the media, we are adults and we know right and wrong. we don't need to cover this story just to put the video up and ask the question and hide behind the questions so that we can show the video and make money off of it. it's wrong what happened. that was disgusting. it was really bad for our children. it was way over the line. everybody should say it and no one should show it. >> but where are the parents, though? >> where are we? >> does anybody -- seriously, does anybody think the video music awards at this point, anybody think they're going to be wholesome? wholesome fair for 10 or 11-year-olds, they're not. >> gene, there was an

expectation -- >> always some act, always an act that tries to be the headline the next day, tries to be the most outrageous. it was miley cyrus. it was so intentional. i think it was just marketing of miley cyrus. >> expectation that you would not have a 20-year-old child star. >> bent over. >> you should watch the whole thing because i went and looked at it after what i said yesterday because so many people were saying that i was too harsh. i didn't say enough. and no one else did either. >> we ask where the parents are. mike barnicle, i have a question for you, okay. where were the parents? where was the father in the mtv corporate offices? where was the mother in the mtv corporate offices saying, hey, you know what, this is going to be -- this is really -- this is -- this is -- >> raunchy porn. >> a skit that pushes it and will get a lot of talk, great, but we better at least put a warning on here that some material will be -- is unsuitable for children under 17. where was that parent at mtv?

>> historically, through various phases of our culture, mtv has nod boundaries. 15, 20 years ago, they never had boundaries. >> it was not suitable. >> the big question is, as gene raised, parents have to issue those three magic words, shut that off. >> but everybody d we don't -- it's not leave it to beaver. there are a lot of single moms that have three kids -- >> i understand. >> out working at the convenience store. >> all the kids in my daughter's school had seen that by 3:00 in the afternoon if they didn't see it the night before it was on the internet. it's endless. it's impossible to shield them. it's everywhere now. and i'm sorry, we all need to say something. don't just ask the question, people in the media, people covering this story. >> so my point is, listen, whatever. we've all seen a lot worse. i just -- i hate that it's marketed to preteen girls and that's what it's marketed to. and it was since brittney was slithering around on stage. again, i may sound like an old man now, i sounded like an old

man 12, 13, 14 years ago when slithering with the snake not because i was offended by brittney spears slithering on the floor with a snake but because it was my then 10, 11-year-old boys and their middle school girlfriends and everything else. and you'll know exactly what i'm talking about. >> yeah. >> when your daughter is 8, 9, 10, 11. >> my daughter was fast asleep with her elmo thank god at that point. at that point she was. >> all right. >> i hate the message, what you said, mika, that to a 12-year-old girl who's home without a parent shutting off the tv or telling them this is wrong, saying that's cool. like the way to get attention and the way to draw the eye of a guy is get nude and bend over and rub yourself on him. >> that was not -- >> and the attention is, a number game out yesterday that the rating for that show were up 66%. >> yeah. >> 66%. 10 million watched that. mtv you asked what they were doing, high fiving each other?

making money off the demise of a young woman who is train wreck. good for you. good job, mtv. >> it's not just -- i'm less concerned about that young woman who will make money off of it. >> i am concerned about her. >> than the millions of other young women that now see that as normal thing to do. >> success. >> normal thing to do. >> this thursday "morning joe" will be live from the factory floor -- >> on the floor of ford motor company. we're going to see that -- >> in detroit. >> stop it. >> women. it's just going to be horrible. >> all right. >> how can you make cars when you're doing that? it's now -- it's now an industrial problem, willie. >> all morning -- >> why do you think the japanese are beating us? >> miley cyrus. >> miley cyrus. >> we're actually going to take an in-depth look at the causes of the financial crisis that gripped the city and the innovators who were working to dig it out. coming up today on "morning joe" -- >> and twerking. >> stop it. >> chris mathews will be joining us along with the "washington post" david ignatius, financial

times gilleyen tett and dr. nancy schneiderman. up next the top stories in the politico playbook. bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning. as far as the rim fire went in california yesterday, firefighters got a little bit of control. not a lot. we went from 7% containment to 20%. it's still threatening the drinking supply, the reservoir that supplies 80% of the water to san francisco. worried about the ashes contaminating the water as the fire continues to burn near yosemite national park. thunderstorms this morning over michigan are trying to dive down towards detroit. traveling in detroit over the next hour, hour and a half could be difficult with a lot of that heavy rain and also the lightning, of course, associated with it. forecast in the northeast rain exiting the cape, hit and miss storms at the airports, new york, philly and d.c. today and the middle of the country continues to bake. one of the hottest ends of august we've had in a long time. we're 95 to 100 from minneapolis all the way down through south

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>> if so i am in on that. >> i'm in on scoot. >> check out politico with us now the chief white house correspondent mike allen with a look at the playbook. mike, good morning. >> good morning, willie. >> coming up tomorrow, president obama will make a speech right there in front of the lincoln memorial for the 50th anniversary of dr. martin luther king's "i have a dream" speech. whatever your politics this is a remarkable moment for an african-american president to speak there. 50 years after dr. king sdpp what can we expect to hear from the president tomorrow? >> politico's glen thrush has a look at what the president will say and start out as we would expect with taking stock of racial progress, but then the president is going to look ahead to these fall economic fights you were talking about at the top of the show and he's going to tie martin luther king goals, this was after all a march and rally about jobs, 50 years ago, to the president's agenda, both what he accomplished in his first term as far as health care and lilly ledbetter pay equity

act, some infrastructure funding through the stimulus and his goals for the second term which include immigration, more infrastructure funding and, of course, the implementation of obama care. so we're going to see in this, the president's practical side. and that is that if you look over the president's rhetoric over the years he's always talked about economic equality as a path to racial equality. >> gene robinson, i'm interested to hear your thoughts on the moment, obviously, 50 years after the dr. king speech, but also on what you would like to hear from the president tomorrow. >> well, you know, i think the moment almost speaks for itself. the idea that there's an african-american -- that an african-american president will mount the steps of the lincoln memorial 50 years after dr. king gave that speech is in and of itself just mind blowing and such a testament to how far the country has come. i think he will speak also about -- he will speak about

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time for some sports and devastating news for new york mets fans, for baseball fans really. right-hander ace matt harvey has a tear in his pitching elbow.

mri revealed the injury after harvey complained of forearm discomfort after a 102 start pitch on saturday. the mets say he's unlikely to pitch again this season. he may need tommy john surgery that would likely keep him out all of next season as well. mike, that forearm hasn't been feeling well for a couple months. >> he indicated a couple months yesterday in his press conference, it makes you wonder why more attention wasn't paid to it. it is what it is and a tragedy for the mets but baseball in general as you said. one of the top two or three young pitchers in the game. >> it's almost like you wait for this to happen, strassberg or pryor, these great young pitchers that throw hard, come out of the gate quickly, something will happen. he's great young player. let's go to football or the soap opera that is the new york jets. now new jersey governor chris christie weighing in on the gangrene quarterback controversy. >> it seems that the fans, too,

have amnesia about this guy. >> yeah. >> he was so bad last year. >> he was awful last year. by the way, he had no weapons last year to throw to. >> right. >> no receiving corps, no running gain and the offensive line was below average. what are you looking for for the guy? i think they've treated him awfully and, you know, it seems like they're determined -- and i think it's this new general manager is determined to play the guy he drafted. >> that was chris christie co-hosting a show on wfan. didn't just out of nowhere address the gangrene controversy. he was right about all of it. >> must see sfrids a soccer match. defender comes in and takes down the winger. his teammates don't like the call. see what's going on. red cards handed for arguing. a flying kick to the referee. oh, my gosh. this looks like a pick-up soccer game. >> yeah. >> oh, my gosh. >> nice field. >> where did this dig this up?

>> looks like vermont, governor. >> they sell bazookas in the market and i'm not kidding, i've been there. >> still ahead on "morning joe," canadian reporter is advocating women's rights. >> i don't think this is real. >> what is this? >> no. >> this is like an "snl" skit. >> like a version of miley cyrus. >> are those women's rights we're looking at there? >> a topless woman feather pen to get attention. >> mika's must-read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ dad ] so i walked into that dealer's office

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>> tonight with the da just provided an update. melissa? >> hmm? what? right now? oh, hi, good evening. >> fantastic. all right. it's 46 past the hour. it's time for must reads right now. i wanted to get this one story in. army staff sergeant ty carter has been recognized for his valor in battle but his commitment is still inspiring others. president obama awarded him the medal of honor. he survived one of the most fearsome attacks 400 taliban fighters stormed their position with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and machine guns. in the end eight americans killed, 25 wounded. carter's numerous acts of valor including sprinting through fire three times to replesh niche

others ammunition earned him the medal. it's his work with veterans like himself who struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder that's leaving a lasting impression. >> he's as tough as they come and if he can find the courage and strength to not only seek help but also to speak out about it, to take care of himself and stay strong, then so can you. so can you. >> staff sergeant carter will join us here on "morning joe" this friday and we look forward to meeting him. incredible story. >> it is a great story. >> and on something completely different here. willie? "wall street journal" has a story on the alabama crimson tide, a must read. >> this is not a must read. >> talking about complacency setting in for alabama because they've won so much. i want to read the quote here. sort of the popout quote about students are tired of winning. they ask, one student what will

you do instead of watching the football game on saturday, he said, well, you can do other things on a saturday like get a head start on your drinking. says one alabama student. >> roll tide. >> that's what i need to hear right now. >> roll tide. >> really? >> university president will like that quote in the "wall street journal." >> i know. >> who would say that? >> a student at alabama. >> and georgia and ole miss and vanderbilt and -- >> don't just pick on the south. >> i was going to say -- >> ohio state. >> vermont, ohio state and wherever your daughter goes to college next year. >> stop. >> university of iowa. >> seriously, college, have you seen high schools lately. don't even start me. >> my gosh. >> on -- >> we also -- >> binge drinking in schools and irresponsible parents. >> for the associated press, this is a must read. >> yes, it is. >> for obama world looks far different than expected. nearly five years into his presidency barack obama confronts a world far different from what he envisioned when he

first took office. u.s. influence is declining in the middle east as violence and instability rock arab countries and ambitious attempt to reset u.s. relations with russia faltered and failed. there's deep skepticism about washington's government surveillance programs in some cases the current climate has been driven by factors outside the white house's control but missteps by the president are to blame. say foreign policy analysts including some who worked for the obama administration. among them, a reactive decision-making process that can leave the white house appearing to veer from crisis to crisis without a broader strat gri. -- strategy. >> gene, you've been supportive of the president in many cases but have been skeptical in some of his foreign policy moves and sort of a reactive quality. mubarak must go and then leaving it to the masses to get him out of there. assad must go. there doesn't seem to be an overriding strategy.

>> well, you know, i mean, things happen so you have to react, right? >> right. >> and so in a sense it's always reactive. i think there is a question you can ask, situations change, right. >> expecting things to be one way, turn out to be another way. that certainly happened to george w. bush. i would argue that he overreacted in some ways in terms of completely changing the strategic vision trying to remake the middle east, invading iraq and, you know, stuff like that. you could argue that perhaps the obama administration has under reacted to changes that have happened in the sense of not -- certainly not enunciating whether or not they developed it and overarching strat by for the middle east during and after the arab spring. >> tomorrow on "morning joe," new york police chief ray kelly will be here. >> great. >> also she hosted president

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>> something is wrong there. >> thank you, willie. >> i haven't seen a tongue like that since roger clemens' testified before congress. just like a cow. >> i wasn't thinking about that. >> a guy on -- >> the kiss -- >> do you think she was dehydrated or something? >> it's disgusting. >> called twerking if you're lying to congress and tongue sticking out like that. >> mika, i don't understand the story. let's work through this together. >> listen, we shall -- >> not like i don't have a sense of humor, okay, but this, i think, is a joke, right? >> like canadian comedy, i think. >> can't be real. >> says she's advocating human rights. >> but is this a joke? >> i don't -- >> 50th anniversary. >> come on. >> lori wellborn, canadian journalist trying to make a point on international go topless day. i guess that was something -- >> important day. >> with the local mayor walter gray. >> recently there was a headline

about a woman in new york city. >> yes. >> who went to the restaurant and she took her blouse off. and the owner came over and said you can't do that here and asked her to put her blouse back on. what are the laws ear in colona? what if i went walking down the street top sflz can you hold this for me, please? >> topless? >> what are you doing? >> it's really hot in here. >> really? >> it is. >> no, it's fine. >> well, someone would probably phone the police. thinking that that was illegal. >> is it illegal? >> no, it's not. >> excellent. >> the bylaws were repealed and they were old bylaws. both of them more than 100 years ago. >> so i can go topless here? >> come on, get out of here. get us out of here. >> jump out.

>> keeps going. >> it's not real. >> well, she was taking notes. >> feather pen, yeah. taking notes. >> howard said it's about human rights. >> there is a group of people that do this. >> especially in ver pont. >> es pecially in vermont. whole towns where you can walk around nude. >> not that i know of. >> there's a nude -- >> there is a movement of young people in russia and tune knee shah -- >> how do you know this? >> i read "the new york times" democrat -- >> let's talk to david ignatius. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the last pearl. >> gene, yeah, it's time to leave now. gene robinson, thank you so much. >> great to be here. >> david ig nase shus -- ignatius and gilleyen tett when we come back. picasso painted one of his master works at 56.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle still with us and joining the table assistant editor and columnist for the "financial times" gillian tett and in washington associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. >> david, let's talk about syria. obviously secretary of state yesterday comes out and says chemical weapons have been used. lot of talk a around the pentagon about tactical strikes. one of the authors of the strategy for tactical strikes says tactical strikes aren't going to work because there's not an overriding strategy and yet we've got, you know, powers

in there who gets a pulitzer prize for talking about genocide in, you know, a decade that doesn't compare to the genocide in syria. what are we doing here? >> samantha powers once said, this is a problem from hell, talking about another problem, but this is like it. the administration i think has decided that syria has crossed a line of international behavior in its massive use of chemical weapons, firing rockets tipped with chemical munitions into residential neighborhoods. it's an incredible thing they did. and there must be a decisive action independent of what's going on in this war, to redraw the line that says there are consequences if you violate this norm of international behavior. so i think you can expect to see a fairly strong, limited in time, strike. i wouldn't be surprised if there was an effort really to disable

the syrian military's ability to mount an attack like this again as a way of saying this line cannot be crossed. the affect of that, joe, would be to give the rebels somewhat greater standing in the struggle at the syrian army's command and control, ability to mount nationwide attacks is degraded it's easier for the rebels to fight and gain their objectives. i don't think this is about the war in syria so much as redrawing the line on chemical weapons, which is a norm the u.s. has insisted on for decades. >> yesterday u.n. inspectors visited the site of the attacks and although there are low inspecttations for what their probe will uncover secretary of state john kerry says there is little doubt as to what happened there. >> what we saw in syria last week should shock the conscience of the world. it defies any code of morality. let me be clear, the indiscriminate slaughter of

civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. the reported number of victims, the reported symptoms of those who were killed or injured, the firsthand accounts from humanitarian organizations, these all strongly indicate that everything these images are already screaming at us, is real. that chemical weapons were used in syria. >> so gillian, chemical weapons used in syria. not just the united states. what does the world do? >> there's a big problem right now because russia's made it clear it's not going to back united nations resolution actually authorizing the use of military force in syria. >> right. >> if america and the uk and others go in, they really are going in defiance of the united nations and the question is -- >> we did that in the '90s with bosnia and kosovo. >> that's the issue. is this iraq or kosovo. bill clinton went in without a

u.n. resolution and in ret retrospect everyone said that was the right reason for human rights reasons. allies went into iraq without a second u.n. resolution and the recriminations have never ended because of the questions about weapons of mass destruction and things. personally i think this is probably more like kosovo. however, the reality is, you look at the impulse, 60% of americans appear to oppose military action in the uk, this week, there's been a great, you know, indication that actually many british people feel reluctant too and 81 members of parliament in the uk have written to david cameron saying we must have a parliamentary debate and vote. opinions are divided. >> you look, mike, at the opinion polls in the united states, and it's something like 60% don't want us to go in. only 8% or 9% do. according to the latest poll. americans are war weary. they don't wantp any part of this. >> there's no doubt this is a war weary nation we live in. we are going to do something.

it's clear from listening to the secretary of state we are going to something. my question to you, david, what do you hear about our on ground intelligence within syria in terms of targeting the origins of the gas attacks where they were launched from? what do we hit? >> mike, we've been looking at -- the u.s. has been looking at this problem now for more than a year. this is one area where they really have devoted resources. i think before the u.s. strike, you'll see a rollout of presentations from the u.s. intelligence committee about what the u.s. does know. i think this you going to be -- i don't mean to overstate it, but remember in the cuban missile crisis, the president stood with maps and explanations of the facts as known and i think there will be some of that in an attempt to convince this skeptical war weary country this makes sense. i think what the president is likely to underline is this is a

universal international norm of great importance that's been violated. in other words, he'll pull it out of the limited syria context into a broader context of international relations but yes, they know a lot about where the weapons are and a lot about that command and control system. >> all right. politics here at home, congressional conservatives are increasingly coming under attack from groups who they think are not doing enough to dismantle obama care. the radio ad targets arizona senator jeff flake. >> republicans in congress can stop obama care by simply refusing to fund it. senator jeff flake is nowhere to be found. jeff flake won't stand up to president obama and join conservatives in pledging to oppose funding for the implementation of obama care. >> flake's response on twitter was brief. oh, whatever. senator flake has said he would oppose the law but has resisted taking extreme measures like threatening a government shutdown to defund the law. the group behind the ad senate

conservatives fund was founded by jim demint and has already reportedly made a $50,000 buy to go after minority leader mitch mcconnell. a group of tea party activists have vowed to rally outside speaker john boehner's office and retitle obama care boehner care if he doesn't defund -- >> i'm sorry, mike. you know, i just -- i don't know what to say about these. >> this might be a good thing for the republicans. >> i don't know what to say about these people. john boehner has had the house of representatives cast how many votes? 40? 40 votes to overturn obama care. and these people are demanding that you find, you know, that you -- that -- i won't even use the analogy, but shut down the government and basically take the advantage out of republicans and conservatives' hands and give it to barack obama. do they really love barack obama that much?

>> you should take hope just from the past week reading stories about this clear division within the republican party among people who -- >> who like to win. >> who like going after jeff flake. >> and people that don't like to win. >> conservative as defined by someone like jeff flake conservative doesn't mean crazy. >> yeah. >> they're running out of people, though. jeff flake isn't conservative enough -- >> jeff flake is a libertarian practically. >> richard bur in north carolina and lindsey graham in south carolina -- >> don't forget tom coburn. >> john cornyn. >> john cornyn is not conservative and did you see cruz going towards john cornyn. john cornyn says thank you very much. and then you've got scott walker. i guess scott walker is not conservative enough. they're painting themselves into a corner and you know what, i am just enjoying it. david ignatius, i think we see the -- where the excesses end here. they have painted themselves into a corner of a room where they will soon be alone in the

political world. >> they're doing that in a way you can take a perverse pleasure if you think this is going to be destructive ultimately to the right which i think it will be. talking to republicans towards the center, he specially in the house who still have the ambition to for mu late legislation, deal with things the house of representatives should do, they're despairing. they don't know what to do with these people. you have to think that maybe we're going to head for a blowout congressional election in which you'll have a significant change otherwise it's obvious this deadlock has its own momentum. >> ted cruz said on national television to candy crowley on cnn, he said if we can just get this through the senate we can defund obama care, to which candy said the president of the united states will not defund a bill that will defund his signature law. he said, i don't know about

that. >> the debt ceiling coming up right now and threats to use the whole obama care issue as a bargaining chip within that, the whole thing will get more highly charged next month. >> john boehner brought it up for a vote 40 times. and you're now saying, you're now saying jeff flake is not conservative enough on economic issues. hey, lots of luck with that, fellas. so what do we have? what else do we have? >> despite the -- >> they just -- they just made themselves so irrelevant. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i can't even -- i won't even make fun. >> there's nothing to make fun of anymore. >> yeah. >> it's just actually -- >> not even fun anymore. >> now -- >> so ugly. >> jeff flake and scott walker are moderates to liberals, it now, you know, it's a farce. >> yeah. >> don't you love farce? i love it too. come on. let's do the send in the clowns cue as we break out of this. >> moving on, despite the rough start of its ipo, facebook's market value has surpassed $100

billion. >> they're back. >> facebook stock was at 1.9% yesterday to $41. facebook shares up 55% this year. >> willie and i predicted this. >> at one point the company's stock tumbled to just under $18. the stock's resurgence comes on the back of a strong performance with mobile advertising. gillian you've been looking into this on a number of different angles for your research. >> yeah. i'm writing a book and i draw heavily on the facebook story part of that. i spent time in the campers on the west coast recently. >> i bet that was exciting. >> it was. you know, all night hack a thon with engineers. >> i wish i could -- >> i wish i could have been there. >> who needs the mtv music awards or whatever. >> these guys are driving the u.s. economy. you should be down on your knees saying thank you to all the computer scientists and engineers. >> i should but i'm not. >> this is the age when it is cool to be a nerd and geek. >> if you're a nerd and geek it

is. >> if you're relying on them to drive the u.s. economy. but serious point is, facebook is fascinating because the big question interest a corporate point of view in the last six months is can they actually get their act together on mobile. can they repeat their success they had before with mobile devices. people were cynical. looks like they are starting to try to do that. the bigger question, though, really is a cultural one, time and again out of the valley we've seen these companies start-ups come up with brilliant ideas, grow very rapidly, transform the world and then turn into big bureaucratic behemoths. big companies that can't do anything more and have their lunch eaten by new rivals. what facebook is trying to do is ensure they don't become big and bureaucratic, trying to avoid becoming like sony or microsoft or sun micro systems, all these fallen names, and they're trying to ensure they keep the mentality of the start-up inside a company that's now got 4,000 people. >> yeah.

>> that's going to be tough. >> okay. >> one more story before we go to break. students in chicago return to school, mayor rahm emanuel has rolled out a new initiative to keep children safe called the safe passage program and yesterday, 1200 unarmed workers in neon vests were deployed out to the streets along with police to watch over students as they walk to school. even a helicopter circled above the affected areas after closing 47 elementary schools in parts of the city that are rampant with gang violence, plans were implemented to provide students and parents with peace of mind. the cost for this program, doubled from last year, to $15.7 million. the city also cleaned 2800 areas that had graffiti, fixed hundreds of street lights, trimmed 4900 trees, demolished 41 vacant buildings along the routes where safe passage will take place. >> david ignatius, togging about this story last hour. it's -- we're not even talking

about the education of the kids at this point in chicago and, in fact, in many urban centers. we're not talking about what they're learning or how they're learning. we're talking about just getting them to school safely. it's a depressing story. >> it is. there's so many things that have to be fixed in american public education. i like watching rahm emanuel who we all watched here in washington and the white house, grappling with this problem, this gut problem that's got to be solved. you know, he's taking on the teachers union and got bloodied but chicago is a good -- i was there over the weekend. sort of sense if you can make public education work in chicago, that problem for the country is solvable. >> let us hope. >> it says something, what's a safer place to go to school, kabul or chicago? in terms of the security around schools. just incredible. >> wow. >> again, i don't understand why

chicago seems to be -- i know like you said, there's violence in every city, but you look at new york and you look at a lot of other cities across the country. >> doesn't compare. >> things have gotten so much better since the early 1990s. but for chicago it seems to keep getting worse. >> i mean, chicago police right now are trying to do a lot of innovative stuff, using data and computing to deal with this. perhaps the one silver lining of this terrible story the fact it is getting people talking about the fact you've still got the feed to create safe passageways. >> i agree with it. >> that's the education for us all. >> applaud rahm emanuel for trying to shine a light on this. david ignatius, thank you so much. still ahead, a new test that may revolutionize the way women screen for ovarian cancer. dr. nancy schneiderman will be here to explain the latest medical advances. up next, chuck todd and andrea mitchell join the conversation from washington.

but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> mika, three things today. we have the uncontrolled heat in the midwest, we have fires that continue to burn in the mountainous areas of the west and also some storms for detroit. get to that in a second. first, california. eight wildfires now burning uncontained in the state alone. you've passed idaho for the most active largest wildfires out there. of course that rim fire has about 3,000 men and women on it trying to fight that blaze. in the northeast it rained hard overnight. the rain is beginning to exit. only left over there in rhode island and towards southern portions of massachusetts including cape cod and go back towards the airports we're okay right now. so no major delays. that's good. we're watching those storms rolling down through detroit too and will head for pittsburgh and possibly washington, d.c. later today. notice it will still be dry most of the day and very hot. look at the middle of the country. kids are in school. some of those schools don't have air conditioners. nasty stuff. 95 heat index of 105 through much of the northern plains.

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can you beat her? >> i can kill her. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. can you beat him? >> i think so or i wouldn't be bothering to play this match. >> they know as i know and as billie jean knows there's no way a woman can play tennis with a good man tennis player. >> i hope this girl comes to her senses a little sooner and rolize she has somebody on her hands to know what to do with the tennis ball and see shots she's never seen before in her whole life. ladies don't know where to put the ball where i put them. >> you think i put women down? is that what you're saying i'm doing all the time? >> yes, i do.

i don't think you give us credit for having any brains. >> this is the mob of 45 to 65-year-old guys all over the world who wrote and told me they were so delighted, so happy that we kept those women back where they belong and they don't get equal prize money with men now. i'm carrying male is supreme, the male is king, no matter what the difference in age and we can beat the girls on or off the court in almost anything. >> you know, in the background were uncomfortable, starting to walk away from bobby rigs. and we find out what his last name really meant all these years later, willie? >> espn reporting that bobby rigs was into the bob for 100 grand and may have thrown the match to settle some bets with the mafia. >> which when he says i'm going to kill her, you know back then you thought he was just talking as far as sports go. this is holy cow. for everybody that is less than 100 years old and does not remember this night back in '75, was it?

>> '73. >> mike, the country stopped and everybody watched this. >> nothing left. nothing left. >> andrea mitchell, chuck todd, if you can't trust bobby rigs, who can you -- who can you trust? >> who can you trust? >> why is it, andrea, when i heard bobby rigs had been bought off by the mob i was not surprised at all? >> i was shocked myself. i cannot believe that bobby rigs would have any connection at all to the mob or gambling debt. you know what this is? this is the day after women's equality day, this is an attempt to diminish the clear victory of billie jean king. >> exactly. >> it is one of my heros. >> chuck todd, at least we still have that, don't we? it was fixed. >> i guess. what was amazing about that just now, vince mcmahon couldn't have scripted bobby rigs. that whole thing you're looking at like, really? did america really believe this

whole thing was on the up and up? i'm sorry. just listening to rigs, it was like this whole thing felt like a vince mcmahon script. >> i was just going to say that. >> we are not making equal purses, not getting anything out of the tour. billie jean and all she represented changed the landscape so whatever you can say about whether he was in the tank and she was on espn last -- she was interviewed for the package on espn -- >> hold on. >> she said she knew him and he wouldn't have done it. >> we love billie jean and billie jean has been a trailblazer for years. willie, i know i speak for you, when i say, we love billie jean. we're making fun of bobby rigs. >> we're in no way diminishing what billie jean king means to women's rights or tennis. i was watching the same thing. he's a wrestling heel. women can't do anything men can do. >> listen to the language

employed there. the male is king. >> right. >> the male is king. >> thumping of chests. >> he said that girl, remember. >> it was too -- he was playing a role. he was too chauvinistic. >> obviously, again, it was straight out of, you know, norman lear -- >> can we talk about -- >> family 1973. i thought, though, billie jean showed a great amount of restraint to not haul off and punch him in the face. kind of like you every morning. >> right. >> so let's talk really quickly, we'll talk about syria in a second but chuck todd, first, you talk about jumping the shark, going after jeff flake -- >> oh, my lord. >> this group that jim demint started and saying jeff flake is not a conservative and he's in the tank with barack obama and john boehner, boehner care, despite the fact that the speaker has had republicans vote 40 times to overturn obama care.

>> right. >> they jumped the shark. it's pretty incredible scene having them call jeff flake a moderate. >> you know, all they're doing is actually tying boehner's hands and mcconnell's hands. the next three months, there's a whole bunch of government operations debates that are going to happen, whether it's the budget itself, the debt ceiling, the sequestration and the more divided and publicly divided that the republicans look, what does that do? that just enhances the hand the president has in negotiation. they're only hurting the irony here is they're only making boehner's life more difficult not with the base of the party but dealing with the president. >> around the table we're actually seeing something interesting happen. we're seeing a consolidation of the republican party. when you're a texas senator and you say you're not going to be supporting john cornyn and go

after the speaker, go after the majority leader, go after jeff flake, put yourself in a position where scott walker has to call you out and other conservative governors have to call you out, it seems to me like actually the party is starting to coalesce around a rather sane position and it's actually these people that are making themselves look like the fringe of the party. >> perhaps. but let's see what the primaries look like. let's see what happens when lindsey graham is on the ballot, when mitch mcconnell is on the ballot. i mean, you know, the -- let's be careful not to get into a beltway mentality and not know what's firing up the grassroots. at the end of the day, ted cruz is firing up the grassroots. these folks are lighting up the talk radio. i think it's a let's wait and see, you're right, i do believe intellectually you're seeing the sort of establishment of the republican party unite in one direction against this crowd. but let's see what happens at the ballot box. >> what's the latest out of

syria? >> well, we're expecting a number of things. first of all, likely an arab league meeting. the state department has canceled a scheduled meeting between two top diplomats and russians at the hague. that was supposed to take place this week. so they're turning their back on russia. forget the u.n. we've got all of the pentagon plans right off the shelf. they are ready to go with small tactical strikes against delivery systems to try to get at command and control. they're not trying to take assad out. this is not regime change. this is to teach a message that what he did and they can tie it to him and they plan to release that intelligence in the next 24, 48 hours, they believe, what he did crossed an frlly recognized -- internationally recognized line going well back before the 1997 chemical weapons treaty that is -- syria is not a signatory to but going all the

way back to post-world war i that you cannot launch massive chemical attacks on civilian populations and the horror and moral out rain expressed by john kerry was profound, was unusual, was emotional and passionate and that expresses the view throughout the administration. >> i can't imagine it waentz a precursor -- wasn't a precursor for something else to happen soon. under what conditions and scenario would we not act at this point and who's on board with us? >> right now, we've got the brits, the french, the turks, as i say the arab league likely to join in, so they say that they don't need the russians. they're not going to get the germans. germans are facing a tough re-election campaign with angela merkel and snowden discovery, snowden releases don't help that at all. there's no way germany would join in. but they didn't join in on libya. they have enough support within a loose nato umbrella and arab support and feel they have the

legal predicate. since they're going to point out this is not regime change, not going after assad, it's not going to necessarily change the balance on the ground, that they can justify this because of the international outrage over what has happened. they say that the evidence is absolutely clear and they've got two carrier groups in the region "uss nimitz" ""uss truman"" and the base in turkey, they can say that they're protecting the refugees in turkey, the stay tus of jordan soshs they can make a -- so they can make a pretty good argument for this. it's going to take some time. this is not immediate. the window might open the end of this week, but probably not until sunday or next week. as chuck was pointing out to me off camera the president leaves for russia on tuesday. that's for the g-20. he's not having that summit with putin but he is going, of course, to the g-20 in st. petersburg. >> chuck, as andrea indicated,

if it's not regime changed, not aimed at getting assad out of there, what is our policy aimed at within the white house and national security meetings, what is the objective here? that they're trying to come up with an objective that punishes assad, weakens him a little bit, that sends a message to him that would prevent limb from using chemical weapons again while at the same time supposedly not inserting ourselves too much into the civil war because there's so much uncertainty on the other side. mike, you get to the -- this is while there's no debate about striking militarily at assad anymore, inside the situation room and between the various stakeholders here in the obama administration, there is a debate about okay, what is the action, how long is the action, what is the goal of the action? and i think that that's where there's, you know, that's where the pentagon has expressed some hess tennessee, okay, we're happy to do this, we agree there needs to be the presidential

line, there needs to be a signal sent internationally, but then what? and how long do you do this. it's clear the administration wants something quick, wants something fairly narrow, because they don't want to be asking anything longer that they would feel compelled to get congress involved and authorize something. they're not going to do something that -- right now it appears they're not planning something they have to go to congress with. what does that look like? mike, that's been the -- that's the hand wringing part of this for a lot of these members of the obama administration, is okay, you'll strike them, you'll send a message, then what? >> all right. chuck todd, thank you very much. we'll see you on "the daily rundown" at 9:00 a.m. andrea mitchell, see you at 1:00 p.m. on "andrea mitchell reports". >> a new cancer screening for women that can save lives. dr. nancy schneiderman will join us with the details on that. meet the newest medal of honor recipie

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medal of honor for valor in one of the most fearsome attacks of the war in afghanistan and it's his commitment to veterans that is still inspiring others. chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski has his story. >> reporter: at dawn october 2009, the taliban launched its most ferocious attack ever against afghanistan. army specialist ty carter knew this was trouble. >> the sound of the gunfire was nonstop. >> reporter: carter dodged bullets as he sprinted 100 meters to deliver ammo to his soldiers, not once but three times. more than 400 taliban vastly outnumbered the 52 maerps. >> the hills looked like somebody just kicked over an ant hill. you could see them moving. >> reporter: as the fighting raged on, carter and his sergeant were wounded, trapped in a humvee. specialist stefan mays was crawling on the ground, serio seriously wounded pleading for help. carter eventually cared him to

safety but he died of his wounds. >> when i found out he had died i believed that i was a complete failure, not just a combatter in the army but in life. >> reporter: he still suffers from post-traumatic stress but works with other soldiers and veterans to combat their ptsd. at the medal of honor ceremony president obama praised carter for his heroism on and off the battlefield. >> look at this man. look at this soldier. look at this warrior. he's as tough as they come. >> reporter: and a true american hero. >> and staff sergeant carter will join us here on set this friday on "morning joe." brian, wow, what a story. >> you got to put it in perspective, one of only five living americans to receive the medal of honor. and so we tend to see these ceremonies at the white house and forget how substantial something like this -- >> ptsd is incredibly prevalent and needs to be addressed and brought out of the shadows on so many levels.

think about what happened on the battlefield with him that he went and brought the young man who ultimately died to safety, he didn't die thinking he was left. he was brought back. and that -- >> what is fantastic about that, apart from the extraordinary act of valor and giving comfort to that man in the last few minutes is the fact he stood up in public and said, yes, i have ptsd, it exists, there are thousands of soldiers across america who have made the sacrifice for their country who are also inflicted and we need to talk about it and we need to recognize they're not all hiding in the corner crouching under the duvet, they are strong people lishing life and it needs to be discussed and addressed because that's one of the most painful casualties of the war. >> how can they not have it? all right. up next singer linda ronstadt says she's sung her last tune after being diagnosed with parkinson's disease. what can others learn?

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>> your vocal chords are muscles so if it affects the rest of your bodies in your muscles and makes them stiff it means your chords can't quiver the way they need to. >> ovarian cancer, this i don't know if we were overselling it. >> it's not a new test. that's what i want people to know. ca-125 is a blood test around for a long time and the question really isn't medicine. should everybody be screened for everything. we've talked about the cost benefits of this and can society afford to screen healthy people. but md anderson is doing it right looking at thousands and thousands of women over a very long period of time, women are post-menopausal with any other risk factors trying to figure out does the screening make sense and what point can you pick up early ovarian cancer. there's no great test for it and we still lose women to cancer so we're trying to figure out does it work. i would have to say as of today, there is no reason for a woman without a strong family history

and without any other risk factors to go out and say screen me, but we're looking for what that next test might be. >> so what about this news, though? any hope? >> so yeah, i think there is hope. this is like a little drop in the bucket of, you know, a container of water that's this big. it's what we know today. so they're increasingly finding out it's very, very sensitive. >> right. >> can pick up a lot of stuff but not always specific. so you might go in and have a positive test then get run through a gazillion different tests only to find out no, you had a little ovarians cyst the week before or a mild virus. we're trying to hone in. for women, when we looked at the progress we've made in breast cancer and colon cancer, lung cancer, ovarian cancer is still one of the most disappointing we have out there. >> this -- >> with regard to early diagnosis. >> researchers tested the screening on more than 4,000 women over an 11-year period and saying it's 99.9% specificity

rating. >> the problem is how many other women -- how many women are accidentally picked up, don't really have anything. the big study is coming. there's an even bigger study in the uk out in two years. we take what we've learned from md anderson and the uk i think we'll have something concrete for women. >> what age are we talking about in terms of the women most affected by this? >> if you look at any of these women age is the number one risk factor. the older you get it the more likely you're going to get this cancer. if you took 100 100-year-old women and 100 100-year-old men, you would find cancer in all of them. prostate cancer, breast or ovarian cancer. what turns on the switches earlier in life and we don't know the answers to that. personally i think the future is not in herd screening. it's in the human genome. >> okay. so finally before we go to break, one more story that we're looking at, a group of forensic

psychiatrists wrote in sunday's "new york times" about the correlation between media violence and real life violence. >> right. >> or lack thereof. what do you make of it? >> you and i are on the same page with this. i'm very worried about the desensitization of our kids. >> yeah. >> can you make the same extrapolation for sex? we talk about this miley cyrus/mtv stuff, the study isn't the same, but i'm wondering if there's a corollary with the same kind of pattern? >> there's a very -- it's a very slippery slope to come on a program as edgy as this and sound like i'm such an old fudsy doesy. >> which, by the way, she's not done. >> twitter all day -- >> i'm worried we have become -- listen, for a gal that inhaled, believe me, i've had a life. >> yeah. >> this desensitization and this amoral cliff that we are falling

off, pains me terribly. the idea that on a train in new york people got mad over a girl and pulled out a gun and shot each other. our kids see stuff on tv in westerns where you knew they got up behind the screen. we have lost that sense of what's real and not. the miley cyrus thing to me has taken the madonna and the brittney spears thing and has exploded it. i am so sick of it, that it makes me want to vomit. >> what's fascinating is -- >> makes me want to vomit. >> yesterday there were a lot of people that were, you know, trying to be cool and edgy, mocking mika and others that said what you just said. you go and you look at the performance, and they're actually trying to get reaction shots from stars. >> sure. >> they're all embarrassed. >> here's what -- >> hold on. the reaction shots, these stars, edgy stars -- >> rihanna. >> they're all embarrassed. >> rihanna is disturbed.

>> will smith's whole family. >> a couple of -- i think a couple of rappers, you're telling me, they were looking down embarrassed because it was so doesn't even know who she is. she looked so lost in herself i thought a psychiatrist should have been meeting her off stage and saying, cookie, we're taking you out of public for six months. here is what upset me. you think the producers didn't know that was going to happen? the amount of money they made off of her. >> there wasn't a parent in the crowd, a grown-up in the crowd that said at least if we're going to do this, lets swap a warning on it. >> she's a hung of meat, a commodity. >> mentally undisturbed, unstable, not well. >> i can't say she's mentally

ill. that's a diagnosis no one can make from afar. she looked unhinged, vulnerable. a kid that was stumbling down the back streets and got attacked, well, what would you expect. >> how many mtv executives have teenager daughters. frankly, i've got daughters, you've got daughters, they look up to people like her, hero worship people like her, the impact on them in terms of setting expectations about what they think is normal is very important. it's really about influencing what we consider to be normal. if people start to think this kind of behavior is normal, heaven help the next generation. >> nobody can say to an artist, you can't evolve. she can't be hannah montana forever. i understand that. somewhere smart adults who give

a damn have to take these young people and say we'll take you to the next stage. >> the dividing line is, whether you're a parent with a daughter or not -- you can be shocked if you don't have a daughter, but you understand the impact on this, on what kids are talking about as school starts up, the way i saw it before with my older boys and girls and that group, how they start dressing, how they tart acting, what they start doing. we talked about it offset. i won't get into specifics of it, sexual acts they commit in middle school and wear bands and start clubs and brag about it. this has happened -- >> what you're alluding to. >> it's falling off the cliff now. >> this what you're alluding to has had every principal and head master of schools everywhere on edge, because we do know, and i'll put it out there that oral

sex in preteens is increasingly common. when it's glorified on a stage it sets the new norm. this is a concern and a cry out loud i think for us as a intellectually parentally involved society to say enough. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. >> dr. nancy snyderman, thanks.

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can you really beat him? >> i think so. i wouldn't be bothering to play this match. >> i know, billie jean knows there's no way a woman can play tennis with a good male tennis player. >> i hope this girl comes to her senses sooner, she has somebody who knows what to do with a tennis player. ladies don't know where to put the ball with the stuff i put it on the ball. are you saying i put women down? >> yes, do i. i don't think you give us any credit for having brains. >> this is 45 to 65-year-old guys all over the world who wrote and told me they were so delighted, so happy we kept those women back where they belong and they don't get equal prize money with men now. the male is supreme, the male is king, no matter what the difference in age. we can beat the girls on or off the court in almost anything. >> good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city.

it's time to wake up. on set we have mike barnicle and howard dean and in washington eugene robinson. >> i'm not good. >> why are you not good? >> i never saw it coming. >> what? >> i mean, seriously, i feel like tony soprano at the end of the sopranos. you never see it coming, know where it's going to come from. >> what are you talking about? >> bobby riggs. who would have ever guessed mike barnicle bobby riggs would have been in debt to the mob. and threw the match. threw the match. bobby riggs. >> who knows if this is true. >> what is left if bobby riggs was -- espn reporting the match of the century, the battle of the sexes, this was like norman leer, in the age of norman leer

and billie jean king beating bobby riggs and now we find out, mike barnicle, that riggs had a lot of debt. i hear gene robinson laughing. gene, bobby just looks like he would have been in debt to the mob. >> i know, joe. i mean, this is actually a perfect story. you know, unfortunately it's ancient history for most of our viewers but anybody has remembers this, bobby riggs just seemed like such a sleaze bag anyhow. >> you can't speak this way of the dead. lets show a picture of him. this was at some time somebody's baby boy. this was actually -- you know, mickey, you were probably too young. america stopped. >> absolutely. >> america stopped. there was something really shocking about a man playing a woman in tennis. >> man getting his butt kicked.

>> well, because he's paid off. by the way -- >> time to move on. >> we should have seen this. this is the last gasp of the republican party. >> should have seen this a mile away. >> they don't like women, right? >> it was riggs. >> the only way they can beat a man was if he threw the match, right? >> i'm hearing it. but howard proves once and for all that he is a marxist because everything, absolutely everything goes back to politics for marxists. >> joe calls howard marxist. >> that thing where everything goes back to politics. not your ideology but a tennis match and you bring it back to democrats and republicans. miley cyrus. >> you got hammered. >> i did get hammered. i don't understand. i really don't. >> a lot of people have restless

tongue syndrome. did you see about letterman. >> i heard about it. >> funniest thing. >> she just looked pathetic and that thicke guy. >> is he a mess and not a very nice person at all. in fact, he should be ashamed of himself. >> exactly. >> i'll keep my mouth shut. >> news. we'll go to news. financial times, kerry says no doubt they have weapons. same thing "wall street journal." front pages of all the papers, mika, all talking about secretary of state john kerry citing clear evidence. now, of course, what comes next, barack obama is now moving closer to military strike. boston globe also talking about a coming military strike. it looks like that's probably

going to happen. >> lets go there. top u.s. officials now say chemical weapons were used in damascus. the president is considering a limited military strike on select targets inside the country. yesterday u.n. inspectors visited the site of the attacks. although there's low expectat n expectatio expectations, secretary of state john kerry says there's little question what happened. >> it defies any code of morality. let me be clear. indiscriminate slaughtering of women and children, innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is an obscenity. the reported number of victimsish the report symptoms of those who were killed, injured, the firsthand accounts of a humanitarian organization, these all strongly indicate everything these images are already screaming at us is real,

that chemical weapons were used in syria. >> the question now is what comes next. at least two destroys and a submarine armed with cruise missiles in striking range of syrian military targets. however, direct attacks on chemical weapons have been ruled too dangerous to the civilian population. strikes on president bashar al-assad himself have also been ruled out. any action will likely be without u.n. backing, with russia blocking any support. some congressional leaders, including speaker john boehner want the president to consult congress before taking ac. many on both sides of the aisle are opposed to any military action all together saying syria is too far gone to take sides. lets bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, at this point, what are the military options being weighed. >> officially president obama has not yet given the order to launch those attacks. i can tell you officials at the

pentagon are operating as if this is, in fact, a done deal. they expect attacks as early as, perhaps, the end of this week or early next week. there are actually, mika, four guided missile destroyers in the mediterranean all within easy range of the targets they would want to hit inside syria. and each one of those guided missile cruisers has 56 of these tomahawk missiles, a range of 1500 miles and a 1,000 pound warhead and gps locater that can not only take the missile to a building but pick the window in which to hit. >> what we're hearing that assad is not a target. why would assad not be a target, jim? >> this is a very fine line the obama administration and u.s. military have to walk. they want to hit assad hard enough to send him a message not

to use chemical weapons again but the last thing they want to do is topple the assad regime and leave this power vacuum there in syria because there's huge concern about militant rebel forces. there's still no indication that there is a moderate cohesive element within that rebel group that could take control of syria. in fact, u.s. intelligence tells us that more than 50% of the rebels there in syria are either hard core al qaeda, or linked directly to the al qaeda elements. so the last thing they want is al qaeda taking some kind of command over large portions of syria. >> hey, mik, it's willie. the world cannot tolerate the use of chemical weapons. if you just go after the chemical weapons site, the vast

majority, almost all the civilians killed allegedly by assad regime have not been killed by chemical weapons. if you take the chemical weapons away it doesn't reduce capability to reduce what he's been dogins his own country. how do they walk that line in terms of, yeah, you've gotten rid of one of the threats but not the larger problem of assad. >> that's exactly the point. what we're talking about here is not necessarily dismantling the syrian military. we're going back to the fact that a year ago it was president obama who drew that red line that if the syrians launched chemical weapons attacks in any large scale or systematically, that that was a red line that they would cross. and the suggestion at the time from president obama was that the u.s. would respond. among the targets we're not talking about hitting chemical weapons sites, because, of course, that could spread the threat, they are talking about

delivery systems like rocket launchers, planes, artillery. but also some regime targets. perhaps the defense ministry, interior ministry. but again not president assad's palace. they don't want to take him out. >> jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. out of washington, congressional conservatives are increasingly coming under attack from groups who think they are not doing enough to dismantle obama care. a new radio ad targets arizona senator jeff flake. >> republicans in congress can stop obama care by simply refusing to fund it. but senator jeff flake is nowhere to be found. jeff flake won't stand up to president obama and join conservatives to oppose funding for the implementation of obama care. >> flake's response on twitter was brief. oh, whatever. senator flake has said he would oppose the law but has resisted taking extreme measures like threatening a government

shutdown to defund the law. >> the guy is about as close to a libertarian as we have. >> he's a genuine conservative. he's a real conservative. >> real conservative. >> he doesn't want to shut the government down because he's a responsible person. this is crazy. what's happening? your party. >> my party is pushing back on this. you've already tried to blame bobby riggs. >> that was a low blow. i confess that was a low blow. >> this group that is going after people like jeff flake and mitch mcconnell, you say my party, guess what, something great is happening right now. these extremists are being shown to be the extremists. people starting to stand up and say, you know what, if you wan to destroy your political chances for the next 50 years, if you want to try to get hillary clinton elected by shutting down the government and pissing people off, go ahead and do it but not in our party. we're starting to see the republican party flex its muscles and stand up to people who have no idea how to win

elections. lets shut down the government. boy, that worked really well for us. >> one more story before we go to break, a follow-up to our conversation yesterday. a parents advocacy group says miley cyrus's now infamous performance was tantamount to marketing sex to minors. >> was that sex? that looked a lot uglier than sex to me. >> it was horrific. the parents television council said mtv manipulated the ratings to be appropriate for children under 14. the group claimed cyrus and lady gaga's performances were inappropriate for the audience for which the show was approved. in a statement the group said in part, mtv marketed adults only material to children while falsely manipulating the content rating to make parents think the content was safe for their children. mm tv continues to sexually exploit young women by promoting acts that incorporate twerking in a nude colored bikini.

how is this image of a former child star miley cyrus appropriate for 14 years old? how is it appropriate for children to watch lady gaga strip down it a bikini in the opening act. how is it appropriate for 14 years old to see a condom commercial and promo for rrated movie during the first break. heads should roll at mtv. >> mika, there was the mandatory sort of laughs and sneers at people in the press at what you and others were saying along these lines. but it was so obvious what they were doing. it was all for shock value. listen, if you want to shock my 17, my 18, my 19-year-old boy, okay, fine. but you know, the problem is, and it's what i said back a decade ago or whatever with my boys when it was britney spears in her nude color whatever, slithering around the floor in a

snake. if mtv targeted to 16, 17, 18 years old i've had the talk with them, so have other parents, we're cool. the problem is, this isn't for 14 years old. i've seen it. the 14-year-old sees it and the 11-year-old sister sees it and the 10-year-old brother sees it and other friends around seeing it. mtv seriously, it's disgraceful and they need to at least make it age appropriate and let parents know. >> i don't defend what mtv did because i agree with you, but it is the role of parents to sit there parents down and say this is not how we behave. >> the ratings system. don't manipulate the ratings system. mika, that's the thing, parents should know. >> parents should sit down with their kids and say this is ridiculous. >> we all should, actually. i think there's a couple of things going on here. first of all, i think that she's clearly an extremely disturbed young woman.

the people around her making money off her are morally bankrupt if not worse, mtv should be ashamed of their selves. all of us in the media, we are adults and we know right from wrong. we don't need to cover this story to put the video up and ask the question and hide behind the question so we can show the video and make money off of it. it's wrong what happened. that was disgusting. it was really bad for our children. it was way over the line and everybody should say it and no one should show it. >> where are the parents? >> where are we? >> seriously, does anybody think the video music awards at this point, does anybody think they are going to be wholesome? they are not. they never were and there's always some act -- there's always an act that tries to be the headline the next day, that tries to be the most outrageous. it was miley cyrus. this was so intentional. i think it's just marketing of miley cyrus period. >> there's an expectation you

would not have a 20-year-old child star. >> bent over. >> you should watch the whole thing. i went and looked at it after what i said yesterday because so many people were saying i was too harsh. i didn't say enough and no one else did either. >> i've got a question for you, okay? okay. where were the parents? where was the father in the mtv corporate offices? where was the mother in the mtv corporate offices saying, you know what -- >> this was raunchy poor. >> this is a skit that pushes it and will get a lot of talk. we better put a warning on here that some material is unsuitable for children under 17. where was that parent at mm tv. >> historically through various phases of our culture mtv hasn't had boundaries. big question, as gene raised, parents have to issue those

three magic words, shut that off. >> we don't -- it's not leave it to beaver. there are a lot of single moms that have three kids that are out working at the convenience store. >> all the kids at my daughter's school had seen that by 3:00 in the afternoon if they didn't see it the night before on the internet. it's endless. coming up on "morning joe," chris matthews standing by in washington. in just a few minutes i'll be dropping by the set of the "today" show for their professional segment. oh, my god. >> something important going on over there. >> really, you all are just not right. something is wrong with you. >> something desperately wrong with me. >> okay. first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> the two of them together, they should do the weather together. i'd love to see that. >> no, i would not like to see that. i don't think anyone has ever done that before. twerking.

as far as the forecast went yesterday in the west, we didn't get the rain in the areas we needed. fires continued to burn. we watched the rim fire, the big one we've been showing you pictures of, it burned 40,000 acres yesterday alone all by itself. you know how large an area it is? it's huge. they call it running. got a little windy, the fire started jumping from tree top to tree top. incredible stuff out there. aerial assaults all they can do, very rugged terrain. that's why you haven't seen towns or houses burning. this is the wilderness of yosemite national park. 33 uncontained fires. idaho, montana, the most in california. now eight large fires burning in that state. of course the rim fire is the biggest one here. almost 4,000 fire -- a small army there. all the weather concerned, rain from detroit to toledo to cleveland. otherwise heat wave grabbing

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here with us now from washington, the host of msnbc hardball's chris matthews, brian barnicle, mike shactman and jillian with us at the table.

chris, you look through the papers this morning and you've got gene robinson at the "washington post" saying the u.s. must act against assad, the chemical weapon use is undeniable and the red line has been crossed. on the conservative side you've got "wall street journal" says the problem is assad and the worst response would be lobbing a few cruise missiles from a standoff distance. no strategic impact on that. what do we do in syria? >> well, you know, i was thinking when i got up this morning and i knew i was coming on your show. i was looking at what einstein said, if you only have an hour to solve the situation, spend 55 minutes trying to figure out what the problem is and 5 minutes coming up with the solution. the problem is not which side to take in that bloody war. we really don't have a side. it's about how do we deter the use of chemical weapons. one, we believe we must do that. two, we've doubled down by

putting a red line there. >> that was the right thing to do, putting a red line there. >> we already had the red line implicitly about the use of chemicals. also down the road we have to think about what we're saying about nuclear, too. the right thing is to say they never can or will or neither will be able to do again. whatever we can do to make sure this is never done again either through the will power of assad regime or physical capability we must do. the problem is chemical weapons. the answer is make sure they are not used again. >> chris, would you agree with "the wall street journal's" assessment but the more aggressive people simply lobbying some strategic missiles over there is not going to do a lot. >> lets see what we can do if we have the military capability what we can do. seems to me there would be a way if the president is smart convincing to the world after he

takes this action that it was not only proportional, truly proportional, make sure they can't have the control system, they are going to be hobbled, handicapped in their war, make a difference strategically to win the war, it's got to be pretty dramatic, i agree. i don't think we should get involved in clearly siding with the enemy until we know we have somebody in the enemy camp will at least be moderate toward us. >> mike, the key is we don't just lob missiles over there for show without damaging assad's capabilities. we have to ensure assad can't do this again, can kill civilians in the suburb again with chemical weapons. >> speaking with david ignatius earlier, that was exactly the point david ignatius, command and control and on ground intelligence we have access to, that's the deal. take out their capacity to do this again. chris, you just indicated in the einstein metaphor, identify the

problem, identify the problem as chemical weapons. is not also a larger part of the problem assad himself. that's the quandary this administration finds itself in, what do you do about this person, the leader of syria? >> it's a complex thing, time is not our eye. we have an ally besides israel, that's jordan. at what point does jordan get swamped, literally swamped with refugees from syria where they can't handle it, the rule there is jeopardized, which it may well be soon because of this flood initially of palestinians now of syrians. how many people can they handle that are not loyal to the kingdom itself in their country. that's one reason why we can't keep letting it go on. michael and joe, we have to find an ally before we start taking sides with somebody. some of fight to the death. assad and his country have nowhere to do.

if he decides to leave, the 17 families giving orders will croak him before he leaves. he can't get on the next plane, that leaves them vulnerable to the sunnis who can't wait to knock them off. i don't know what's going on with the guy. he's never been our friend. i thought it was fascinating the usually soft-spoken colin powell called him a pathological liar on sunday, which is pretty strong language. in other words, we can't deal with the guy we're looking at rye now. the disgrace is vogue magazine not so long ago glorified and glamorized assad like they were the most pro western people in the world. he had a chance to make a deal when his father died. he didn't do it, just like castro -- my deal is simple, you buy your ticket, you take your chance. castro made his deal with moscow. he would have been there watching the executions. i think this guy made his deal with the enemies of israel. >> he really did.

here is "the wall street journal" editorial i'm reading from, it's conclusion is the same thing mike just said. the real problem in syria isn't the chemical weapons, it is the leader who used them, assad. this is where to focus a military response. >> lets get honest about it, the real problem with syria, as far as the administration is concerned, they don't want either side to win. they don't want assad to stay in place but they don't want the opposition increasingly driven by jihadist elements to win either. effectively what they have been hoping for is a policy of stagnation or containment. >> that has to change, does it not, when you have a leader that uses chemical weapons against his own civilians. that neutrality has to change. >> has to change. let us not forget the other big elephant in the room people aren't talking about is iran. that's a really big one. i'd like to ask chris, if he's still around -- >> he's there. >> yes, chris. >> i'm here. >> how does this impact on the

iran debate and the iran strategy, or rather the the real fear what the u.s. is going to do or not do about iran next. >> the problem is, i don't like it, i'm dovish, i don't like what i'm going to say but it's true. if you put down a red line and say do not use chemical weapons, enforced arounded world for decades. don't use them. we didn't use them in world war ii, hitler didn't use them, we don't use them, although assad's father did, he goes ahead and does it. makes you wonder what they will do with a couple of nuclear weapons. are they capable of not using them. that, of course, everybody talking this morning is projecting toward that. if you can't use deterrents the normal way, mutually assured destruction, if you do this, we're blowing you up, if that doesn't work, what does work?

>> make no mistake, brian, tehran and russia are taking notes on our resolve. >> there's a lot of talk coming in syria is too far gone, why bother. chris, tight on time. i want to ask you about the debt ceiling debate, much ado about nothing or is this going to be another huge line in the sand for the economics of this country. >> another red line. default is much more serious than a couple of days of a government shutdown. default is really bad for this country. it's just bad to get in that business. i don't think the leaders in the republican party are going to follow ted cruz on that one. i don't think they are going to shut it down, not to cut spending. a lot of people in both parties ought to be looking at that. they already agreed to the affordable care act. that's in the law books right now. that's part of american law right now. for them to say we're going to default rather than carrying out a program that's been enacted is

radical politics and i don't think the republican leadership will go along with it. >> seems like they are moving away from it quickly. chris matthews, thank you very much. we'll appreciate it. we'll see you tonight on "hardball" exclusively at 7:00 p.m. >> lucky seven. >> lucky seven, baby. we'll fan the flames of mika's outrage by asking more questions about miley cyrus's vma performance. mika joins the "today" show for their professionals segment. we're going to simulcast that when we return. i'm a careful investor. when you do what i do, you think about risk. i don't like the ups and downs of the market, but i can't just sit on my cash. i want to be prepared for the long haul. ishares minimum volatility etfs. investments designed for a smoother ride. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing.

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talking more about this we've got matt, star jones, dr. nancy and mika on the professionals panel. "today" show is going to talk about this and so much more. i'm holding my breath. i can't wait. lets go to the "today" show right now with mika and matt. >> we're back now at 8:37 with "today's" professionals here to tackle today's hot topics, star jones, nancy snyderman and sitting in for donny. >> i'm donny. i didn't hear that part. >> from "morning joe." mika, good to have you. the first subject is miley cyrus and vmas, you were out spoken on your show. you called her performance disturbing. >> it was. >> we know where you stand on it. some parents group are now saying someone at mtv needs to be fired because of what went on

the air that night. how do you feel about it? >> absolutely. somebody should be fired. >> hard to believe there weren't parents who couldn't put two and two together. >> didn't we expect this? mtv pushes the envelope every year. didn't you expect they would go to the next level. >> there's pushing the envelope and poor, raunchy and disturbing. a young girl, 20-year-old young woman literally in the process of her undoing and everyone clapping for it and being disturbed by it and talking about it and showing it, which i hope we don't. i don't want to see it. >> too late. >> don't show it here on my segment with you guys, please don't show it. >> no one disagrees it was really raunchy. i agree with you on that. i think it speaks more to young women thinking being oversexualized is a way to be seen and to be heard. >> that's exactly what we don't want our young girls to be. >> that's what she's feeling as if in order to be seen in

america, to be seen in her business she must be -- >> she's 20, she can't even figure out who she is. >> i agree with star on this. i think the only thing that surprise mess is she's surprised of she's a paid performer, she's trying to bridge the gap between adolescent star and adult star. she's on the most provocative award show of the year taking part in the most provocative of the summer. i'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying we're in the media are being surprised by it is ridiculous. >> i have my parent hat on. i'm not a member of the media. >> now you are. >> sorry, not so. where are the parental guidelines to take a child from hannah montana to the next stage without -- >> didn't you see that on television last night? hannah -- matt and star, oversexualized is one thing. is it sexually to stick your face in the back of a life-sized teddy bear and stick your tongue out. we're talking about raunch.

>> one is a level of taste and over the line. we agree on that. the fact that we're all running around talking about it. you know what, instead of getting criticized, she should get an a plus for accomplishing exactly what she wanted to accomplish. >> the party afterwards, why do you think she didn't show up. >> probably a lot of reasons. lets move on. starting next spring at 200 colleges across the country, graduating students will be able to volunteer to take a test. it's kind of an exit version of the sats and prospective employers will look at the score you get on that test and be able to judge how you'll fare in the workplace. >> i actually like this whole idea. i think when you're looking at what a person's core values are and whether or not they will fit within a particular corporate structure or work environment, not just your grade point average is an evaluation. i think it's a good idea. >> i knew i wanted to be a doctor since i was in third grade, so i don't know what the

test would have told me about how i was going to do in medical school and residency. my concern is we continue to narrow the herd looking for this person that hasn't emerged until they are 28. >> i'm not a good test taker so i wouldn't have a job. >> me either. i didn't do well on sats. >> look who you were there and who you are now, what common threads could a test possibly tell you. >> you know who should be nervous about this test, colleges. they take your kids and say we're giving them a grade education -- >> your core values don't change. who you are at 20 years old in your core is who you will be in your 60s. >> budget off shoot of singapore airlines called scoot offering a new thing. for $14 extra you can buy a ticket and sit on their plane in a kid-free zone. who is up for that? >> i'll take it any time?

>> no kids under 12. >> i'll take it any time any place. >> would you pay more than $14. >> i'd definitely pay more than $14. i don't have any problems with it whatsoever. it's a long flight and i can sit somewhere quiet, i'll take it. >> if you want to be a social pariah, look at businessmen's faces when you walk on with our baby. men do not love us when we walk on with our babies. i personally would be do it because personally i think it's anti-mother. >> meese. >> -- please. >> from what i've read on twitter, people would pay $14 not to sit next to me. >> front rows of economy, you pay extra money stuck in the last row of the kid-free zone with kids behind you. >> you get the diaper zone and toilet zone. >> dr. nancy, mika, good to have you. when we come back, a bargain

bonanza. >> i've got to say if we aren't today what we were at 20, we would be wearing stupid colored pants. >> i hear that. who is today what they were at 20. seriously. you don't know who you are until you're like 27, 28. >> the only people that know who they are going to be are doctors. >> sometimes they don't know. they don't like saying they do. i don't think i had a job with benefits until i was 28. >> wait. griffin is giving you benefits? are you serious? i've got to give him a call. lets get him down here. >> teeth are looking a little yellow, joe. >> that's a point here. >> the professionals on "morning joe." we need to call donny in the hamptons.

get him on here. last words. >> these days so much pressure on young kids to know what they want to be age 20, totally focused. i think people should say it's fine. wait until you're 20 to figure out where you want to go. if you don't know at 20, you can sort it out later. >> i agree. parents are crazy. coming up next, talking more about miley cyrus and twerking, cnbc's john harwood joins us. john joins us from the white house. he spoke with the secretary, not about miley, talking about really bad things to come. keep it here on "morning joe."

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negotiating over the debt limit. >> both are nonstarters. >> congress has authorized funding committed us to make expenditures. we're now in the place where the only question is will we pay the bills the united states has incurred. it is just the only way to do that is for congress to act, to act quickly. what we need in our economy is some certainty. we don't need another self-inflicted wound. we don't need another crisis at the last minute. congress should come back and act. >> u.s. secretary jack lew speaking on cnbc with i don't know harwood earlier this morning. john is with us from the white house. john, it looks like we may have a showdown much sooner than we thought. >> i thought you guys were going to play the clip when jack started twerking. >> we did. out of respect for you and your family, we -- i asked t.j. if he could edit it, he couldn't edit your parts out enough so you

could be with us and keep your job. >> my mom appreciates that. look, i do think we are, joe, going to have a difficult several weeks in washington, because jack lew accelerated from a month what was expected the moment which congress has to act. mid october -- >> why is that? what's the triggering event that made him do that. >> he said yesterday that's a cash balance of $50 billion, which sounds like a lot, given the amount of social security benefits that have got to go out every month and that sort of thing. he said mid october congress goes on recess on the 11th of october for a week or so. at the end of september that's when the government runs out of money. that's why all these negotiations over the debt limit, which they said they won't negotiate on and the budget which they will negotiate on will get all lumped together. they are going to try to make a deal. i think most leaders in the

congress and in the administration are still confident they will but we don't know how they are going to get there. >> quick question, less than a dozen days in the legislative calendar between now and early okay, do you think there's time for them to actually do anything before this limit actually hits? >> i do. when congress decides they need to do something for political reasons or economic reasons or whatever, they can move very quickly. the real challenge is doing to be republican leaders rallying their members and figuring out what they need to get for them in order to get the votes to raise the debt limit and avoid a shutdown, both of which the republican leaders want to avoid. >> john harwood, thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up, devastating news for new york mets. the status of their star pitcher coming up on "morning joe." ♪

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