right now on "news nation," immediate effects. stocks take a tumble as wall street reacts to a potential u.s. military strike against syria. no evidence. the lawyer for one of two teens it accused of killing an 88-year-old veteran insists there's nothing linking the boys to the crime. and one city's proposal to remove the homeless from its streets. hi, i'm richard lui in for tamron hall. we begin with developing news about what appears to be an imminent military attack against syria. in the last hour, the white house made it clear that syria's use of chemical weapons leaves it no choice but to act. >> what the president is engaged in is a process of deciding, as he consults with international allies and as his administration consults with congress, about what the appropriate response to this flagrant violation of international norms should be.

and there must be a response. >> that just in. senior u.s. officials telling nbc news that air strikesing start as early as thursday. in an interview with the bbc today, secretary of defense chuck hagel saying the u.s. military is ready now should the president order action against syria. >> suffice to say, the options are there. the united states of defense is ready to carry out those options. if that would occur, that would occur also in coordination with our international partners. >> but you're ready to go like that? >> we are ready to go like that. >> now the u.s. has war planes in the region as well as four destroyers in the mediterranean sea within range of targets inside syria. but officials tell nbc news the coming air strikes will be limited in scope, lasting just three days and targeting certain military installations. the aim here, they say, is to send a message to the syrian regime that chemical warfare is unacceptable and will be

punished. the goal will not be to topple the assad regime. and the strikes are not likely to happen until u.n. inspectors leave syria. they're scheduled to leave sunday, but that could change at any moment. until then, president obama continues to craft an international coalition, today getting a big boost from the arab league, which blamed the attack on the syrian government and called for justice. the administration is also consulting with congressional lawmakers still currently in august recess. nbc's ayman mohyeldin joins us live now from cairo, where he covers that story for us. ayman, has there been any reaction from the region about the news of a possible attack as early as thursday? >> reporter: there has been a general reaction from the syrian government and certainly from its allies in the region, most notably iran, which has come out and said that any attack on the syrian government or syrian territory would result in a war across the region that would not end favorably for the united

states or its allies. meanwhile here in cairo, the arab league today sending a strong note of condemnation against the syrian government, for whom they hold responsible for the chemical weapons attack. more importantly, we've heard from other countries that have expressed their reservations is about some of the intelligence gathered on whether or not the syrian government was responsible. russia and china both members of the united nations security council saying they should wait. the international community should wait until u.n. inspectors on the ground have concluded and determined the findings of their investigations. so mixed reactions coming across. perhaps the most important from the syrian government itself. today it struck a very defiant tone saying it would defend its territory against any military action. more importantly, it said it was cooperating with the u.n. inspections team. so they did strike that tone of defiance and one they said would not back down in the face of international aggression. >> ayman, is that statement from the arab league seen as a stamp

of approval from other countries in that part of the world? >> well, yes and no. on one hand it was at the ambassador level. it did have a unanimous approval, although some countries did call on the arab league to wait for the united nations to conclude its finding. this was perhaps as close of an authorization or perhaps even an expression of will from the arab league that you're going to get at this particular stage. keep in mind the arab league is actually convening a meeting next tuesday at the foreign ministerial level, so you can expect, perhaps, a stronger statement then, if operations or air strikes had not begun by that start date. so it is, for now, to some extent, the voice of many of the arab countries, that they are speaking out condemning the syrian government for the chemical weapons attack and calling on the international community to hold the syrian government responsible or at least accountable. so there is some wiggle room,

depending on how you read the letters of that statement that was released today. >> nbc's ayman mohyeldin. as always, thank you so much. now, there's concern over potential military strike in syria that's already taking a toll on the markets. oil and gold prices are up this week, hitting five-month highs. stocks down so far, although we still have a better part of an hour and a half to go. take a look at the boards. the dow down 127 and change. the nasdaq, s&p also down 20 and 67 points, trading lower this hour. i want to bring in congressman meeks. you and i just spoke yesterday. we didn't necessarily have this reaction to get your thoughts on, which is the markets now ticking farther down. although, monday we did see oil prices also go higher. is there a point for you where if these oil prices, if these economic indicators hit a certain point, that may alter your support for presidential action? >> no, you know, i think the

camera of history is rolling. when you have crimes against humanity, history will look back to see what, if anything, you do. did you just idly stand by? i think what the president of the united states is doing, he's talking to our allies. as we talked about yesterday, working a multilateral way, basically getting all of the evidence that possibly could be obtained, and then doing what's in the right for humanity, not just for the united states. that's why it's important to have the arab league and have turkey and have our friends from nato and the u.k. and france, everybody working together because there's got to be some kind of reaction when you have a crime against humanity. >> congressman, what did you hear about before the release of the thursday date as well as the potential of three months of action as we've been hearing about. you as a member of the foreign affairs committee. >> the concern has always been the fact that when initially asked to allow the u.n.

inspectors to inspect the area, the syrians did not allow that to happen. so five days have gone by. then you had shots fired at the car. one i think blew out the tire. and many of the inspectors did not feel safe enough to even in so they had to delay it another day. there were some issues. then it would seem as though the syrian government would have allowed the inspectors in. so, you know, again, and i think the president has said it, or at least the administration has said it's not trying to get involved in a civil war that's taking place in syria. but it's about saying to everybody that you cannot use chemical warfare. that is something that is a nonstarter. >> to what level of military

support do you support? >> just what the president has said. you will pay for using chemical warfare. that's off limits. but not a full-scale war, not getting involved in regards to trying to overtake the regime or anything of that nature. we're not talking about that. it becomes more difficult and more complicated. i hear from some of my colleagues, especially on the senate side, saying we should do more. well, you know, there's a whole lot -- there's a danger therein. you don't know who would take over and what happens afterwards. no one wants to get marred into a long -- >> very quickly, should the president ask congress to convene to get approval? >> i think that for this limited strike, the president is consulting with members of congress and consulting with the leadership. clearly i've had conversations with the state department and have been very forthcoming to me. the constitution allows him to make that decision. >> thank you so much for your time today. congressman gregory meeks

joining us. let's bring in our panel now. good to see all of you. bobby, i'll start with you. with the arab league statements here, is that enough? we're hearing now the united states has british, french, and turkish support. >> it certainly helps a great deal. as i said in the earlier segment, this is not a ministry level statement. however, the arab league kicked syria out. the arab league has been calling for different kinds of action in syria. syria has no friends in the arab league. as we saw in libya a couple years ago, there are members of the arab league like qatar and saudi arabia who will probably want to join and who the president will want as a coalition of the willing going into any kind of military action. >> so this is enough diplomatic cover, if you will? >> it's a good amount of diplomatic cover. he needs a little more. he needs nato to sign on, which looks like it's happening.

he's going to have to cite a couple international conventions on using chemical weapons, which his lawyers are probably working on as we speak. i think he's going to get enough cover. the question is, can he sell it to the american people? does he have cover in this country? it's very unpopular. the messaging will have to be very careful. he will want to make it clear to americans that there's a reason why he's doing this and that no american lives will be put at risk. >> michael, when we look at that thursday versus sunday versus a couple of weeks from now, does the president benefit if he does delay a little bit longer so that he can build more domestic support? >> i think the longer he waits, the more difficult comes the argument that this is necessary. you know, i quibble with the language. what exactly is a limited military strike? without any idea of what dominos then fall and where it leads and what the response might be from syria or iran, i don't think you can call something a limited

military strike. and if by definition it's not intended to topple assad, then is it really worth it? richard, as you can probably tell, i've got a lot of questions about this. i agree with bobby. he's got to sell it to the american people. i think at a minimum, the congress ought to come back in session and debate this issue. >> let's take michael's lead on that, p.j. as we look at a limited engagement, as he's questioning, is there a way to prevent getting boots on the ground? when does that action have a potential stoppage? >> well, i think the president has ruled out boots on the ground. in fact, the syrian opposition has ruled out boots on the ground. i do think that you've got to fit -- you've got multiple policy objectives here. i think there is the necessity to provide a strong message back that when chemical weapons are introduced into a battlefield, there are consequences. now you've got to fit this also

into, you know, the two other objectives that the united states has. on the one hand, it wants to see a political settlement, not a military settlement, to the syrian conflict. so how does a limited strike affect the geneva process, which is right now stalled, but obviously managing russia's reaction to this is going to be critical to, you know, carving out a path forward. >> with the u.n. >> the other contradiction is that on the one hand, the policy ins united states is that assad has to go. i think it will be something, a robust message that may well, you know, inflict significant military harm on assad's military and perhaps see if that opens a door to the opposition gaining momentum once again or to the possibility of opening a negotiation. a very, very difficult needle to

try to thread. >> p.j., what is the military coalition that is needed? we talk about the diplomatic coalition. >> well, the context of libya two years ago made sure there was arab skin in the game. i'm sure whether it's from turkey or someone else in the region, there will have to be some sort of arab league participation in the mission. if it's just the united states lobbying in a large number of cruise missiles, i don't think it's going to have the political effect in the region. i agree with bobby that while this is a good start getting the arab league gesture, i suspect, you know, we may well wait a few days to see a stronger, higher level demand for justice from the arab league. certainly in the aftermath of whatever happens, you're going to need leaders from jordan, saudi arabia, turkey to come strongly in the region in defense of what the international community does. >> bobby, you're very aware of

the complexities. syria saying if there's any sort of attack that there will be a cascading effect of destruction of world peace, not only regionally, but internationally as well. what's your thought about that? >> dictators say that. gadhafi said that. libya is hardly the textbook case for a clean, efficient limited strike, but there wasn't the cascading effect. syria is in a far more dangerous place. iran and russia are involved. their responses will be crucial. it's really hard to see russia wanting to come down too closely on the side of syria suddenly militarily. iran is a slightly more unpredictable player here. but the point is that it could be argued that that ship has already sailed. the cascading effect on the region has already begun. there is a fight taking place that is heavily influenced by

events in syria. so the regional consequences are already upon us. but hundreds of people are dying. you have a dictator using chemical weapons. the president of the united states said this will not stand. he's painted himself into a corner. it's hard to see where he goes except into some sort of military operation. >> and michael, wrap this up for us. how closely does the president need to work with congress on this? >> well, i think as a practical matter, he does. i think as a legal matter, he probably does not in terms of what we're discussing. i think this is a hard sell with the american people. i think the american people get confused. we were talking about egypt ten days ago, and now it's syria. at a certain point, we say, we can't put out all these fires around the globe. we can't afford it financially, and we can't afford it with our

men and women. so i think he's really got to make a closing argument, the president does, to the american people as to what the vital u.s. interest is that's at stake here. >> michael smerconish, thank you so much. p.j. crowley as well and bobby goesh. i appreciate your time and perspective on this topic. coming up, crews gaining ground trying to contain that raging wildfire that keeps growing in california and is threatening the water and power supply. plus, strong reaction to a controversial plan to address homelessness in one state's capital city. two of the options, relocate or get arrested. join our conversation on twitter. you can find us @newsnation. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors, where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done, check angie's list.

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if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bank of america senior officials are now investigating the death of a summer intern in london. the 21-year-old died after collapsing at his home in london, a week before he was set to finish his internship with bank of america's investment banking division. now, he was a german exchange student studying at the university of michigan's business school. an official cause of death has not been released. a number of local papers are reporting he suffered from epilepsy. reports are also alleging him working until 6:00 a.m. for three nights in a row before his death. it may be weeks before we know just how he died. his death is raising questions over the culture surrounding banking interns and grueling hours many feel pressured to work. felix mitchell is co-founder of

an intern recruitment agency in london. thanks for being here today. how is this case -- what we understand about investment banking interns different from what we already know about this particular industry? >> well, thanks for having me on the show, richard. what i would be keen to say is that although a lot of investment banks in britain and america do expect their interns and entry-level hires to work long, torturous hours, it's not the case throughout the industry. i would say most financial services companies in the u.k. and british businesses more broadly treat their interns very well. what i would say is that the investment banks like bank of america and others that are similar to them are ignoring a moral and probably legal

obligation to ensure the health and safety of their young workers, just as they would any employee of the company. >> but felix, just to be honest here, as we look at what investment banks interns have to go through, it is extreme compared to some other industries. i went to the same business school and did internships in strategy consulting alongside other investment banking interns. the number of hours some of these individuals need to work is quite high. this is a different space, if you will, compared to other internships. >> you're absolutely right. i think that you have to look at what is frankly exploitation across industries. so you have the experience of the investment banking, the torturous hours, the, you know, menial work. they do the three-hour turn around at home. but if you look at other

industries, there are other kinds of exploitation of the same young people struggling in the same working environment. it's the hardest and most difficult job market that we've seen for decades. if you look in creative industries, for example, you can get widespread unpaid internships where young people are expected to work for months, if not years, unpaid. >> and felix, in this case -- >> now -- >> in this case they earn anywhere from $50,000 to $70,000 u.s., at least annualized. that would not be the case, which is the point you're going to make. i just want to read one quote from a writer. he wrote about the death in "new york" magazine. he said, even before the death, hr executives at many of the firms were questioning the hours. they worry about losing competitive advantage. they also worried that it might one day lead to a tragedy like

this, end quote. how might they change rules to avoid this situation? >> now, just to talk about the u.k., there is actually no legal distinction between an intern and a full-time hire. so the company is responsible for the same degree of health and safety regulations and ensuring a good working environment as they would for a full-time hire. i think the question around this falls under not new regulation but in enforcement of existing regulation and legislation. and there are a number of groups here in the u.k., for example, intern aware, who are constantly lobbying government to enforce a number of different laws for

interns as well as for permanent hires. >> felix mitchell, thank you so much, co-founder and director of instant impact. thank you. still ahead, the politics of launching a military strike on syria and what our first read team calls the president's tight-rope walk. we talk to senior political editor mark murray. pl plus, a measlesout break tied to a texas church that's been critical of vaccinations in the past. >> we can get vaccinated in faith. the main thing is stay in faith whatever you do. >> what the church is saying in response to that outbreak. hey linda!

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aircraft, cruise missile strikes launched from navy destroyers, or submarines in the mediterranean. unmanned drone strikes are another option. another question before the president, deciding the best targets and best time to strike. we got that data from a great write-up you had on nbcnews.com overnight. what is the best option for the president right now, and what are the best targets? >> well, senior u.s. military officials are telling us out of all those options that are possible, the most likely and probably the only option that will be used is those four guided missile destroyers now in the eastern mediterranean. they've got enough of those tomahawk missiles to take out the entire target list that is currently being circulated among u.s. military planners. we stress that the president has not yet made the decision, according to military and administration officials. but if and when, according to some officials, when he does, it

will be those four guided missile destroyers who will launch their cruise missiles against a minimal number of targets, according to officials we're talking to. they said consider the word limited. that is going to be the kind of operation they're going to launch against those assets that could be used to deliver chemical weapons such as airplanes, artillery, rockets, and no apparent serious regime targets are included in that list. they believe the strikes could take maybe two to three days to hit all the targets they want to hit. but then that'll be pretty much it. it'll be a limited strike with no intent to seriously depreciate somehow the syrian military, richard. >> all right, jim. thank you so much. >> you bet. >> again, a military intervention in syria could also have serious political

repercussions for the obama administration. as our first read team says today, here is the fundamental tight rope the obama white house must walk. how do you take sufficient action to deter syria from using more chemical weapons while not getting bogged down in a war that americans oppose? joining me live now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, how might the white house answer that question? how might they be able to walk that tight rope? >> well, richard, as mick was just reporting, all indications are if the united states decides to do something, it would be very limited in scope, but the burden becomes upon president obama and his white house to say how they plan to keep it limited. there is a very fine line between saying you're going to have surgical strikes versus getting involved in a war, in a civil war occurring in syria. so if the united states does launch limited strikes in a very limited scope, does that engage somehow iran? does that engage israel? so those are the questions. i'm sure the folks at the white

house and president obama's national security team have gone through those types of scenarios, but there is that really fine line between strikes and war. the last thing the obama white house wants and something that president obama campaigned against the iraq war is getting involved in yet another war in the middle east. >> you know, one of the discussion points in the beltway since we've been getting news over the last 48 hours on this, is this one of the first major challenges for the obama administration so far? >> well, richard, i mean, there have been so many challenges. there have been so many big events in this presidency. we're not even into year five. we're halfway through year five now. certainly they've gone through similar situations when it was about libya or the build up and the surge in afghanistan. so this is something that president obama has considered, but this is a very delicate situation. we've seen that so-called arab spring certainly degenerate into something that no longer looks like an arab spring.

it's a very, very tricky situation right now. the question is, if the united states does decide to go in, does it go beyond the surgical strikes that are being reported by mick and others? >> okay. thank you so much, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. still ahead, police arrest a second teenager in the brutal beating death of an 88 world war ii veteran. >> he's fought for our country. there's no excuse for the way he died. >> we'll get the latest from investigative crime reporter. plus, a big day for the 10-year-old pennsylvania girl whose family fought the rules to get her a new pair of lungs. it's just one of the stories we're following around the news nation today. a restaurant dinner is over $10.50 per meal. this tasty stouffer's lasagna dinner from walmart is less than $2.15 a serving. replacing one restaurant dinner a week saves your family of four over $1750 a year. save money. live better. walmart.

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16-year-old keenan adams kinard is being held on $2 million bail right now in spokane, washington. the other suspect, demetrius glen, also 16, appeared in court yesterday. he turned himself in last week. joining me now, investigative crime reporter and correspondent for "deadline crime" with tamron hall. good to see you there, michelle. >> good to see you, richard. >> they plan on trying both of them as adults. what are the circumstances around that decision? >> you know, i think in this particular case i can only assume. i did just speak with the prosecuting attorneys office. they said adams kinard will appear in court this afternoon first. that's the first thing. the second thing is that i'm sure they're taking into consideration the brutality of this crime, how this veteran was allegedly beat with large

flashlights and the manner he was beaten. you have to think that, you know, the victim in this case, he, 88 years old, stood five feet tall, was no threat to anyone, just going to play pool as he normally did and was brutally attacked. that combined with the ages and the past criminal history of these two alleged suspects, again, they have not been convicted. that's important to note. >> have you heard anything in terms of -- you were just mentioning how old he was and how short he was. >> had the name shorty. >> is that going to be part of why they targeted him? is that why they want after him, because of his size? >> it's really hard to tell at this point. the motive, what appears to be according to the police chief, is robbery. that's why they allegedly targeted this man. his wallet was found nearby within the area. it was empty. the money was taken from inside of it. what we've also learned is that

he fought back. because he fought back, that's why this made this probably worse and that's why his life was probably taken, because the teens may have felt threatened. so that's more of what we're learning at this particular point, but deyou can see him on your screen there, it breaks your heart. this story is heartbreaking. it's ridiculous. anyone who preys on elderly, children, the mentally disabled, i mean, anyone who preys on anyone, of course, is horrible, but in this particular case, it's really, really kind of strikes a cord. >> michelle, do we know anything about else the victim here? >> the victim lived in the area. as we know, he was going to play pool. it's something that he liked to do. you know, we also know that he was a veteran and a fighter. he wasn't going to go down without a fight. just someone who really enjoyed life. he has a great, loving family, a great support system. of course, they're all shocked and very saddened. >> back to the suspects here, do

we know why one boy turned himself in and one went on the run? >> you know, i'm not too sure, but this is what i can tell you. adams kinard was on probation. so i don't know if that had something to do with it. they both have past assault charges. from what i've learned, demetrius glen, according to reports, a couple of years ago there was a pretty vicious fight that happened involving either a bat or a stick that had nails on the end of it and someone was beat. so there was a list of charges he pled out on. he was convicted of fourth-degree assault, riot, obstruction after attacking the person, a few things like that. also earlier in 2013, february 9th and march 18th, demetrius glen was charged with third-degree malicious mischief and march 18th driving without a license. has not gone to court on those particular charges yet. then keenan adams kinard also

has a past criminal history. it's just really hard to tell at this point. we do know, according to reports, that tips are what led police to the discovery yesterday and took him into custody. >> one of those difficult stories to talk about, no doubt. >> it is. >> michelle, thanks a lot. >> thank you. an outbreak of measles tops our look at stories around the news nation to tell you about today. a mega church near ft. worth, texas, is reporting at least 16 people have become infected. health officials say at least 11 of those sickened were not vaccinated for the disease. it's blamed on a group who went overseas and handled non-vaccinated children. the cdc reports 159 cases of measles so far this year, nearly triple last year. the little pennsylvania girl who received two double-lung transplants is finally home. 11-year-old sarah's parents challenged the nation's organ allocation system last may. a news conference with her parents is expected later today. and facebook is revealing

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there's a lot going on today, and here are some things we thought you should know. new york's attorney general is swiping back at donald trump over his $40 million lawsuit against the real estate mogul. on the "today" show, he said the donald lured students into trump university, which he says was nothing more than an expensive sham operation. >> the students thought they were going to get to meet mr. trump. they ended up getting a chance to have their picture taken next

to a life-size poster of trump. >> yesterday trump called snyderman a lightweight and claimed he asked him for campaign donations in the middle of the investigation. meanwhile, secretary of homeland security janet napolitano gave her farewell address today and took time to defend the department's efforts on immigration. >> because of these investments in man power and technology and infrastructure, our borders are now better staffed and better protected than any time in our nation's history. and illegal crossings have dropped to near 40-year lows. >> she's leaving to become the first female president of the university of california system. president obama has not yet named a successor. those are the things we just thought you should know. all right. time for the "news nation" gut check. south carolina's capital city columbia is raising some eyebrows over its plan to kick homeless people out of the

city's downtown area. it's part of the city's homeless emergency response plan and bans homeless people from a 36-block area in the business district. under the policy, they will be offered three options. one, go to jail. two, leave town. or three, go to a shelter on the outskirts of the city. now, columbia city council approved the plan last week with supporters arguing the approximately 1500 members of the city's homeless population are preventing the city from becoming an economic hot spot. joining me now live is maria, the founder and executive director of national law center on homelessness and poverty. thanks for being with us today here, maria. i want to play a little bit of sound for you from one of the city officials and what they said about the plan. take a listen to this. >> we have employees, we have clients, we pay taxes, property taxes, business taxes, business license fees, and we deserve the

protection of our city. you don't have a right to loiter. you don't have a right to harass. and you certainly don't have a right to come on to my property and use it as a bathroom. >> maria, how do you respond to that? >> i agree that it's a big problem when people are living in public places. that's not what should be happening. it's a problem primarily for the people themselves, but it's also a problem for the community. but making it a crime to live in public when people have no other place to live is not the solution. there are 1500 homeless people in columbia. there are 240 shelter beds in columbia. people have no alternative. there's no -- there's very little affordable housing. unemployment is high. that's why people are on the street. unless we address these problems, the problem won't be solved. so i don't take issue with the fact that this is a serious

problem. i agree. i take issue with the solution that is being proposed by columbia and by many other cities. >> what needs to be added to those three options that we were describing? >> well, i think is that the city would be wise and the business community would be wise to invest in real solutions, like affordable housing, housing that's affordable for very low-income people. jobs, hiring people, helping people get a way out of poverty and homelessness. those are the real solutions. and they're more cost effective. the solution that columbia is now considering and proposing is not only bad policy and not only potentially illegal, it's also very expensive. i mean, building jails and using police resources to arrest people, send them to jail is expensive. >> all right. >> and it is less expensive to actually invest in permanent solutions. >> we'll have to leave it there.

maria, thank you so much. what does your gut tell you about that? do you agree with columbia, south carolina's plan for the homeless? go to facebook.com/newsnation to vote on that. that does it for this edition of "news nation." tomorrow on "news nation," we'll have live coverage of the let freedom ring ceremony commemorating the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. also, tamron will anchor a special hour of coverage tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern where we will air dr. martin luther king's entire "i have a dream" speech. do not miss that. "the cycle" is up next. stick around.

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